So is Damian RedBird

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Posted by DarkBird (167 posts) - - Show Bio

#1 Posted by DarkBird (167 posts) - - Show Bio

idk know about you but I like it

also i bet tim is saying who is condom head now

#2 Posted by SupBatz (1475 posts) - - Show Bio

I haven't read Batman Inc (and don't particularly desire to do so). Is this a permanent shift? If so I can't say I'm happy with it. It seems a bit out of nowhere and I was hoping Damian would remain Robin for at the very least a few more years.

#3 Posted by Pwok21 (2111 posts) - - Show Bio

I hope this fixes the break between Tim and Damian, you know it's almost like he took inspiration from 'Red Robin'.

#4 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (11726 posts) - - Show Bio

He named himself after Tim's car?

#5 Posted by Batnandez (511 posts) - - Show Bio

@SupBatz said:

I haven't read Batman Inc (and don't particularly desire to do so). Is this a permanent shift? If so I can't say I'm happy with it. It seems a bit out of nowhere and I was hoping Damian would remain Robin for at the very least a few more years.

It makes perfect sense if you would read the comic before criticizing.

#6 Posted by SupBatz (1475 posts) - - Show Bio

@Batnandez: I wouldn't call that a criticism as much as a mere stating of opinion. The same thing anybody does before reading a comic book. Perhaps the shift is for the best and I will grow to like it. But for the moment I cannot say I like the idea of it.

#7 Posted by TDK_1997 (13684 posts) - - Show Bio

That's only in Batman Inc. where Talia is after him.

#8 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (27353 posts) - - Show Bio

So does this clear the way for Harper to become Robin

#9 Posted by Batnandez (511 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

So does this clear the way for Harper to become Robin
I will quit Batman if this happens, if she plays an oracle-esque role I will be happy.
#10 Posted by Batnandez (511 posts) - - Show Bio

@SupBatz said:

@Batnandez: I wouldn't call that a criticism as much as a mere stating of opinion. The same thing anybody does before reading a comic book. Perhaps the shift is for the best and I will grow to like it. But for the moment I cannot say I like the idea of it.

I'm just saying it's dumb not to like something without any knowledge of it.

#11 Posted by JohnnyWalker (821 posts) - - Show Bio

he would have been better off being named after batman's dog (lets see how many people get the nod)

#12 Posted by SupBatz (1475 posts) - - Show Bio

@Batnandez: I don't like the concept. That's not dumb. Perhaps Morrison will write it very well and I will grow to like the change but if I were an editor at DC and Morrison presented the concept to me (unless he had big plans and a strong argument) I would think it's too soon for Damian to assume a new identity.

#13 Posted by Batnandez (511 posts) - - Show Bio

@SupBatz said:

@Batnandez: I don't like the concept. That's not dumb. Perhaps Morrison will write it very well and I will grow to like the change but if I were an editor at DC and Morrison presented the concept to me (unless he had big plans and a strong argument) I would think it's too soon for Damian to assume a new identity.

Lol, you NEED to read the book before commenting on this one. He's not really assuming a new mantle.

#14 Posted by SupBatz (1475 posts) - - Show Bio

@Batnandez: Ah, ok. My mistake; thank you for clarifying.

#15 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (1486 posts) - - Show Bio

Haven't read the issue or anything, but I like the nod to Nightwing with the sticks. Shows just how much Damian respects and looks up to him.

#16 Posted by X9 (746 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nathaniel_Christopher said:

Haven't read the issue or anything, but I like the nod to Nightwing with the sticks. Shows just how much Damian respects and looks up to him.

Yeah, perhaps he's the only former Robin he respects haha.

Not that the other ones gave him enough reasons to do so...

#17 Posted by rogue_mar1e (19831 posts) - - Show Bio

Wtf.

#18 Posted by fodigg (6094 posts) - - Show Bio

Thoughts:

  • Cool costume.
  • Like the name, but wish they'd given it to Tim so he could ditch "Red Robin".
  • Wait, now we have 3 Robins with "red" in their name? How long until Nightwing goes Redwing or even worse, Red Nightwing?
  • I bet this is temporary for the arc. Damian won't be grounded forever. Unless he killed Alfred just there I guess. Then he'd probably be grounded forever.
  • Oh wait, escrima sticks? Nightwing & Redbird anyone?
#19 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (27353 posts) - - Show Bio
@fodigg: WIngman & Red Bird (just got to find out who the hell Wingman is)
#20 Posted by fodigg (6094 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jonny_Anonymous: Holy crap that looks boss.

#21 Posted by DarkBird (167 posts) - - Show Bio

I f Damian is redbird stephanie Brown can come back and be robin

#22 Posted by Owen_Porter (83224 posts) - - Show Bio

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#23 Posted by SmoothJammin (2329 posts) - - Show Bio
Morrison y u no use Red X??
#24 Posted by KnightRise (4753 posts) - - Show Bio

The Redbird name and costume totally could've been given to Tim rather than the Red Robin moniker after BFTC and during SFBW. It'd be pretty boss if Tim beats up Damian and robs him of the Redbird theme, while saying something like "now we're even" and finishing it with "thats what big brother's do", showing signs of acceptance of Damian.

...BRB off to write that in Fan-Fiction...

#25 Edited by SmoothJammin (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

@KnightRise: It would be just like Tim to bite on someone else's good idea. Red Robin Alias wasn't originally his identity either, nor was the Robin mantle(zing!) His unternet suit is basically Nightwing's with a cape. He wants to be just like Batman, and during BFTC he even played dress up in his late fathers garbs. That's like wishing you had frosted flakes, so you dump sugar into your corn flakes close your eyes and put a spoonful in your mouth. That basically sums up Tim Drake. A generic, poor mans version of Bats. Tim is a corn flake.

#26 Posted by JonSmith (3806 posts) - - Show Bio

@SmoothJammin:

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I knew I was bad at math before, but somehow I never reached this answer before. You are quite the mathematician, sir.

#27 Posted by SmoothJammin (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

@JonSmith: ....Don't judge me!!!

There's a method to the madness I tell you.

#28 Posted by SmoothJammin (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

@KnightRise: Did you write it up?? I'd love to read it

#29 Posted by KnightRise (4753 posts) - - Show Bio

@SmoothJammin: See, what I liked about the (second) pre new-52 Red Robin costume wast he fact that it looked simillar to Batman, as if he were finally becoming his own top tier hero. And ironically, as qualified as Tim is, he'd still come off as Batman-lite. I'd put that in the fan-fic I'm thinking about but I thik I'll be butchering the character lol

#30 Posted by danhimself (21904 posts) - - Show Bio

the only thing I don't like about the suit is the stupid feathers at the top of the cape

#31 Posted by SmoothJammin (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

@KnightRise: I preferred his preN52 costume over what he wears atm. All Tim needed was to bulk up but he'd eventually grow into his own singles style hero. What was cool was I felt like I could begin to take him seriously, and not think of him as a sidekick anymore. Sure, Red Robin's a title that's been passed around frequently but Tim was making something of it. In my mind, the perfect setting for Tim would be Hub City, inheriting the mantle of his hero Blue Beetle.

I'd rather see him build his own legacy like Nightwing, make his own money, craft his own world than have to share in someone else's cluttered sandbox. Imo Bruce has dedicated enough time to Timothy, his primary focus should be his son Damian now, Dick as well, who's both the heir to Batman and the "firstborn". Plus Babs is just as tech savvy as Tim is. No need in him becoming redundant.

We've seen two batmen at the same time, three if you count Terry ;), multiple flashes, loads of green lanterns, there's no excuse why there can't be a couple Blue Beetles running around or simply change his name to The (Blue)Scarab...idk. As far as job hunting goes, he can work for Kord Enterprises and earn the top spot at the company through hard work and good character development. I can already see Max Lord presented as his nemesis. If we're being honest, Tim's probably one of the few guys capable of tracking Max and bringing him down.

The last thing I want is for Tim to be put in a position where he's sounding off alarm bells towards DC because his character never grows up, prompting the company to kill him off because his only purpose in life is to exist as a cookie cutter Batman, ageless and without flaw. It almost happened to Dick Grayson during Infinite Crisis. I think that's part of the reason Lobdell decided to distance him from Batman and retcon his time as Robin to be honest.

#32 Posted by SmoothJammin (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

Wait so Dick names his car the Nightbird and Tim goes and gets a "Redbird" hmm

jk, lol..

Batwing is Bruce's jet after all.

#33 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (11726 posts) - - Show Bio

@SmoothJammin: actually, the Redbird has been around longer than the Nightbird. Tim had the RB since 1993, Dick didnt get his car until '98

#34 Posted by Vance Astro (90727 posts) - - Show Bio

That costume is actually pretty cool, it would look better with a different artist though.

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#35 Posted by vernierhawk001 (515 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@fodigg: WIngman & Red Bird (just got to find out who the hell Wingman is)

There is speculation elsewhere on the 'Vine that Wingman is Jason Todd. Take it or leave it....just passing along gossip

#36 Posted by The_Tree (6411 posts) - - Show Bio

@vernierhawk001 said:

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@fodigg: WIngman & Red Bird (just got to find out who the hell Wingman is)

There is speculation elsewhere on the 'Vine that Wingman is Jason Todd. Take it or leave it....just passing along gossip

There's also speculation that he's Jean-Paul Valley.

#37 Posted by entropy_aegis (13613 posts) - - Show Bio

@SupBatz said:

@Batnandez: I don't like the concept. That's not dumb. Perhaps Morrison will write it very well and I will grow to like the change but if I were an editor at DC and Morrison presented the concept to me (unless he had big plans and a strong argument) I would think it's too soon for Damian to assume a new identity.

There's a bounty on "Robins" head so that's why Damian is now Red Bird.It's only temporary and with in the pages of Batman INC alone.

#38 Posted by entropy_aegis (13613 posts) - - Show Bio

@The_Tree: I am thinking that he's Dick.

#39 Posted by The_Tree (6411 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: I don't think that it's Dick, solely because of this panel.

But it would make more sense for Damian to work with Dick rather than JPV. Maybe I'm just on the JPV revival hype train.

#40 Posted by Batnandez (511 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

@The_Tree: I am thinking that he's Dick.

Probably, and Future Damian Batman is back after issue 0!!!

#41 Posted by fodigg (6094 posts) - - Show Bio

I hated JPV. He's not worth bringing back IMO. Also, this panel:

He has to be talking about salvaging the Wingman reputation, right? Because his true identity is a mystery "no matter what", so it wouldn't make sense if he was, say, Jason Todd that being Wingman would salvage Jason Todd's rep, because nobody would know.

I'm guessing it's Miles Morales.

#42 Posted by entropy_aegis (13613 posts) - - Show Bio

@fodigg said:

I hated JPV. He's not worth bringing back IMO. Also, this panel:

He has to be talking about salvaging the Wingman reputation, right? Because his true identity is a mystery "no matter what", so it wouldn't make sense if he was, say, Jason Todd that being Wingman would salvage Jason Todd's rep, because nobody would know.

I'm guessing it's Miles Morales.

From what I've seen of Wingman he looks like a big dude.I went with Dick because he's the only one I can see Damian working with but yeah neither Dick nor Jason are that big.JPV is a possibility,it could even be Bane.

#43 Posted by fodigg (6094 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: His big, but not Bane big. However, the idea of a villain filling in for Batman reminds me of when the cured Harvey Dent watched over Gotham during the "one year later" gap. Then there was the time Joker posed as "the gravedigger."

#44 Posted by entropy_aegis (13613 posts) - - Show Bio

@fodigg said:

@entropy_aegis: His big, but not Bane big. However, the idea of a villain filling in for Batman reminds me of when the cured Harvey Dent watched over Gotham during the "one year later" gap. Then there was the time Joker posed as "the gravedigger."

Yeah Joker as Oberon Sexton comes to mind.As for size,Bane's size may be exaggerated often but it's possible.

#45 Posted by Arkhamc1tizen (2100 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@fodigg: WIngman & Red Bird (just got to find out who the hell Wingman is)

lol

#46 Posted by MatchesxMalone (30 posts) - - Show Bio

I think it's pretty clear by the panel that Damian IS Redbird...I'm not real sure why there's question to it? I mean, yeah, they could serve us all, but I'm pretty positive that Damian is indeed Redbird. Also, Wingman is obviously Wolverine in a Batsuit. Look at the chin. It's Wolverine's chinny chin-chin. He borrowed the mask's visor from Cyclops as a nod to him and combined it with an old cowl. The shoulder pads are clearly the uh...cones? from that one Madonna video. lol

#47 Posted by BlackPookie (580 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jonny_Anonymous: where did u get this pic from?

maybe wingman is bruce? no?

#48 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (27353 posts) - - Show Bio
@BlackPookie

@Jonny_Anonymous: where did u get this pic from?

maybe wingman is bruce? no?

Na the scan at the very top of this page is Batman talking to Wingman
#49 Posted by JonSmith (3806 posts) - - Show Bio

Sorry, Redbird looks awesome and all, but I hear 'Redbird', and all I can think of is-

#50 Posted by BlackPookie (580 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

@fodigg said:

I hated JPV. He's not worth bringing back IMO. Also, this panel:

He has to be talking about salvaging the Wingman reputation, right? Because his true identity is a mystery "no matter what", so it wouldn't make sense if he was, say, Jason Todd that being Wingman would salvage Jason Todd's rep, because nobody would know.

I'm guessing it's Miles Morales.

From what I've seen of Wingman he looks like a big dude.I went with Dick because he's the only one I can see Damian working with but yeah neither Dick nor Jason are that big.JPV is a possibility,it could even be Bane.

Where is this pic from? I know ive read it but i dont reme,ber...

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