Off My Mind: Could Damian Wayne Kill the Joker?

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#101 Posted by sentryman555 (745 posts) - - Show Bio

In Batman Inc. #5 when it shows future damian as Batman and all those crazies running around doesn't Barbara say something like "The Joker's final joke." so if its in continuity doesn't that mean the joker can't die here because he still has to do that later?

If anyone kills the Joker it should be Batman. It should be something like where he doesn't really have a choice. He kills joker or joker kills everyone else type of thing. Its always been the two of them so I think it'd only be fitting if it ended with just the two of them. This way Barbara and Dick could have the after shock wondering if they could've done it or if they should've done it to spare batman. Jason can have closure seeing Batman finally kill Joker. And this could actually be what starts Damian down his Batman path. Using the thought that its okay to break 'the rule' every once in awhile. While all this is going on Batman can be dealing with the fact that he killed the joker. And, of course, the joker could die feeling the ultimate betrayal from batman, knowing that he chose his family over the joker but also that sense that he got what he wanted making batman strong again.

#102 Posted by sentryman555 (745 posts) - - Show Bio

@Yung ANcient One said:

Joker has killed several people, he is twisted beyond repair, so why is it such a big deal to not KILL HIM?

On Batman Begins: Bats for Brains CLEARLY lets Ra's die, but on The Dark Knight he goes out of his way to save Mr. J... again WHY?

Ra's was truly more evil than Joker?

ANd yet again this idea pops up. Damian kills Nobody, and its ok... but The Joker ohhhh thats different... WHY? (+)

As far as the movies go the only time he was going to kill the joker was when he was about to slam into him with the motorcycle. That would have been him actively killing someone. Ra's, the only way to stop him was to blow up the tracks so he kind of trapped himself. Its a weak explanation but thats what I got from it.

#103 Edited by NightFang (9819 posts) - - Show Bio

@NightFang said:

@hyenascar said:

@NightFang said:

Hasn't Damian killed enough villains already?

no, he hasn't killed Joker yet.

And he never should!

@cyborgx said:

@NightFang said:

Hasn't Damian killed enough villains already?

NO,He needs to Kill the joker!!!! it's about time someone dose......

#104 Posted by Webjaker (366 posts) - - Show Bio

@Cole_Mercer said:

Yes, please kill The Joker, he's an okay villain but he's boring, no substance.

YES, so we can focus on Ra's al Ghul and villians that actually have substance. The joker is a ridiculous character. He apparently has super powers and the best lawyer in the world.

#105 Posted by Phantim555 (229 posts) - - Show Bio

Like G-man I agree it probably won't happen but if it does I think that it could lead to a Civil War story line for DC. I know heroes have killed before (i.e. WW snapping Maxwell Lord's neck, or Green Arrow and Prometheus) but this time the world could see it differently. This would be a 10 year old child that for all the public knows Batman put in danger. You could argue it from every legal standpoint saying that Damian is innocent because he was simply defending himself from a homicidal maniac to the otherside where its all Batman's fault and that he breeds vigilantism and killers where they use Jason Todd as an example. Bruce could be on the run, the rest of the batfamily could be dealing with the reprocussions like trying to clear Batman's name while Gotham City doesn't even want them around. You could even have Superman and the rest of the Justice League involved, not really working with the government but wanting Batman to turn Damian in, in order to protect the reputation of the superhero community, but Bruce not wanting to because Damian is his son. So from here you'd have Batman vs the U.S. Government, who turns against not only Batman but ALL superheroes since Wonder Woman and Green Arrow have killed before and even Superman has gone rogue a few times, The Justice League (or superhero community in general), and maybe even a few mercinary groups like The Suicide Squad or just Deathstroke himself. I personally would prefer this story be pre-new 52 so we could use the examples of Wonder Woman and Green Arrow, and say that this was just the straw that broke the camel's back. Ok looks like I have some writing to go do now!!!

#106 Posted by blackcobalt (57 posts) - - Show Bio

@DEGRAAF said:

Babs- Maybe she somehow gains that advantage and has the opportunity to kill him but ultimately i think she would hesitate losing the chance or dropping the crow bar (yes if he is killed it should be with a crow bar and maybe an explosion lol) deciding that no matter how badly he deserves it she cant take his life bc she is better then that.

I suppose you haven't read the past few BATGIRL comics. She wants him dead and doesn't hesitate.

#107 Posted by DEGRAAF (7869 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackcobalt said:

@DEGRAAF said:

Babs- Maybe she somehow gains that advantage and has the opportunity to kill him but ultimately i think she would hesitate losing the chance or dropping the crow bar (yes if he is killed it should be with a crow bar and maybe an explosion lol) deciding that no matter how badly he deserves it she cant take his life bc she is better then that.

I suppose you haven't read the past few BATGIRL comics. She wants him dead and doesn't hesitate.

No i read the first 6 or so and that was it. She was second guessing herself and getting used to fighting again and even froze at the sight of a gun pointed at her but i wont disagree with you bc it sounds like you have been following along closely

#108 Posted by chieflewal (6 posts) - - Show Bio

Physically? Yes.

Mentally. I would sure as hell hope so. Any sane person would. It's Batman's single greatest flaw.

#109 Posted by Scantenii (60 posts) - - Show Bio

I say sure...I think he could kill the Joker...Despite that first arc in B&R I don't think he would have much problem using deadly force...To me Damian always has come across as a villain in training...If they were ever to move time forward...(which I know they won't)...I have kinda of seen Tim Drake eventually becoming Batman and Damian Wayne becoming his main arch-enemy (Maybe after finally killing Joker.)... Damian could unite the Wayne Fortune and the League of Shadows... Drake vows to stop him... Damian cuts him off from the Wayne Foundation money... Drake has to take up the mantle of Batman with limited resources, stop Damian, restore honor to the Wayne Foundation name and protect Gotham.

#110 Posted by luke01 (8 posts) - - Show Bio

I do not think Damion should kill the joker then batman would just be coming closer to an end because of how well the batman and the joker play off of from each other. so in addition to brining an end to the batman comics it would just create another red hood because of how close the Jason Todd was to killing the joker that would just produce another red hood and you would kill one of the batman's most known villain then Harley Quinnwould just would do the best of her ability to make another joker.

so you would not really be killing the joker so Damion should not kill the joker butt if he did then Gorden should become the new joker or Damion should become the new "red hood" figure.

#111 Posted by HouseOfRao (25 posts) - - Show Bio

THIS is how I want Death of the Family to end, make it happen DC. I won't be satisfied with any other ending.

#112 Posted by JasonTodd13 (423 posts) - - Show Bio

Let Damian get killed by the joker, then the joker will cremate damians body and scatter the ashes in the sea, then everyone can celebrate the piece of crap is gone forever and never coming back.

#113 Posted by blackcobalt (57 posts) - - Show Bio

@DEGRAAF: She's gotten over all that. She's merciless, and so far has been the closest to actually being able to kill Joker.

#114 Posted by John Valentine (16270 posts) - - Show Bio

@HouseOfRao said:

THIS is how I want Death of the Family to end, make it happen DC. I won't be satisfied with any other ending.

The more I think about it, the more I want Damian to kill Joker.

#115 Posted by SuperJedi17 (298 posts) - - Show Bio

@Yung ANcient One said:

Joker has killed several people, he is twisted beyond repair, so why is it such a big deal to not KILL HIM?

On Batman Begins: Bats for Brains CLEARLY lets Ra's die, but on The Dark Knight he goes out of his way to save Mr. J... again WHY?

Ra's was truly more evil than Joker?

ANd yet again this idea pops up. Damian kills Nobody, and its ok... but The Joker ohhhh thats different... WHY? (+)

OK with the Batman Begins complaint i'll tell you why.Ras al Ghul was trying to kill all of gotham,batman didn't kill him,but he didn't feel like he had to save him,remember what happened the last time he did that?(near the movie's beginning).The Joker was just a twisted psychopath,and if batman was to kill the joker,than how would he be any better? He's not exactly the 89 batman,he actually doesn't kill(he did not kill ras,he just didn't save him,nor did he have to).But with nobody,i actually haven't read that arc.So i can't help/argue there.

#116 Posted by Yung ANcient One (4596 posts) - - Show Bio

@SuperJedi17:

I, The 1st time Bruce saved Ra's, Wayne didn't know he was Ra's he just knew him as a friend.

II.Joker was trying to kill all of Gotham too, but he wanted them to kill each other by pressing the detonator.

III. Joker was about to fall to his death, and Bats for Brains SAVED him for what? To prove a point?

IV. So if Joker would have escaped from Imprisonment, created chaos, had the city in despair, and Ol' Bats had an opportunity to save him from dying AGAIN he wouldn't since Bruce only saved Ra's once?

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#117 Posted by kilon (116 posts) - - Show Bio

it'll never happen. batman will regret damaim for a long time and then suicide or death.

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#118 Posted by AmazingWebHead (1495 posts) - - Show Bio

Can Joker even be killed in the first place?

#119 Posted by SuperJedi17 (298 posts) - - Show Bio

@Yung ANcient One said:

@SuperJedi17:

I, The 1st time Bruce saved Ra's, Wayne didn't know he was Ra's he just knew him as a friend.

II.Joker was trying to kill all of Gotham too, but he wanted them to kill each other by pressing the detonator.

III. Joker was about to fall to his death, and Bats for Brains SAVED him for what? To prove a point?

IV. So if Joker would have escaped from Imprisonment, created chaos, had the city in despair, and Ol' Bats had an opportunity to save him from dying AGAIN he wouldn't since Bruce only saved Ra's once?

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Those 400 something(counting both boats) are hardly all of gotham.He was just trying to show that everyone is as crazy and as evil as he is.Ra's actually said he was going to kill all of gotham,joker never really said what he was going to do(as far as i can remember right now).(IV) Ha Ha,no batman wouldn't have let him die,that was more comedic than anything.Ra's was hellbent on destroying an entire city,and he'd do it again,while justifying it.Joker,on the other hand,might be salvagable through therapy(well maybe in their minds).Also this was their first encounter,joker was merely a psycho in batman's eyes,while ra's was a potential threat to any civilized society.

#120 Posted by Yung ANcient One (4596 posts) - - Show Bio

@SuperJedi17: I thought it was all of Gotham. I am still skeptical that those two boats weren't, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

,joker was merely a psycho in batman's eyes,while ra's was a potential threat to any civilized society.

Just a Psycho blowing up Hospitals, Torturing Civilian Vigilantes, and filming it for the city to see, Trying to get the city in utter chaos, and trying to massacre 400 people. Right just a Psycho.

III. What I'm trying to say is that in my opinion Bat for Brains will never kill Joker, or let him die; because he has a sick twisted bromance with him. Joker loves to play Chess with Bats, and Batman enjoys the challenge regardless of who gets killed/hurt.

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#121 Posted by Viva_La_Bam (16 posts) - - Show Bio

No way hes to awesome to die.

#122 Posted by brannahdel (5 posts) - - Show Bio

If someone would kill the Joker, it would be either Damian Wayne, or Dick Grayson (hey, he already did it, ok?)

But the one that should kill Joker is a nobody. Someone that grabbed a gun and shot him point blank through the heart that only gives him the chance to get angry that his death ends up being meaningless and sends him to hell totally crazy... and then cuts a deal with the devil and comes back to life terrorizing every single incarnation of Batman... :D

#123 Posted by Spydey (399 posts) - - Show Bio

I've..never sen Damian spelled so many different ways until I read the comments. xD

DamiAn. Not Damien. not Damion. They spelled it Damien in like..two issues.

Anyway, didn't Dami kill one of the owls too? I could see him doing it. Nobody wasn't really in self defense. He was already beaten when Damian delivered the final blow. He thought he had to. So, there's no doubt in my mind, that if a window was given(and with everything Joker's done) Damian would take full advantage and end it for good. And he'd probably have a pretty clear conscience too. That'd probably be the end of his Robin run though.

#124 Posted by SuperJedi17 (298 posts) - - Show Bio

@Yung ANcient One said:

@SuperJedi17: I thought it was all of Gotham. I am still skeptical that those two boats weren't, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

,joker was merely a psycho in batman's eyes,while ra's was a potential threat to any civilized society.

Just a Psycho blowing up Hospitals, Torturing Civilian Vigilantes, and filming it for the city to see, Trying to get the city in utter chaos, and trying to massacre 400 people. Right just a Psycho.

III. What I'm trying to say is that in my opinion Bat for Brains will never kill Joker, or let him die; because he has a sick twisted bromance with him. Joker loves to play Chess with Bats, and Batman enjoys the challenge regardless of who gets killed/hurt.

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I said "Merely a Pyscho" it's not exactly the same,Ra's as a guy that was about to kill gotham's citizens the day he gets there.Joker is a sick individual,yes.But batman still didn't know exactly what he was dealing with,when it come's to Ra's,he had a clearer view on what he was up against,what he could do,and how easily he could do it.A Pyscho with makeup on is just not the same.Anyway,i'm done with this argument,it's been dragging on,and i'm tired of it,especially when you only focus on a few of my points.Good day.

#125 Posted by Yung ANcient One (4596 posts) - - Show Bio

@SuperJedi17: Good day to you to sir. (+)

#126 Posted by Dracade102 (8167 posts) - - Show Bio

@herrweis said:

I wish the Joker would kill damien.

#127 Posted by X9 (747 posts) - - Show Bio

I've said it before and I'll say it again: anyone could kill the Joker.

It's just a matter of pulling the trigger before he gets the chance to start the jibber jabber

#128 Posted by SuperJedi17 (298 posts) - - Show Bio

@Yung ANcient One said:

@SuperJedi17: Good day to you to sir. (+)

I Really REALLY,hate to drag this on,but what does that mean? > (+) ?

Also you did have some fair points,but i believe i did too.

#129 Posted by mwells3456 (5 posts) - - Show Bio

What if the "Joker" that Damien kills turns out not to be the real Joker. What if, because the Joker's face was removed, that now many people can be Joker. What if that was the Chaos factor that Joker hoped for when removing his face. We would never know if the Joker that is fighting batman or disturbing Gotham is the real Joker. Maybe they are all puppets wearing his mask, one after the other, while he sits behind the curtain pulling the strings. Maybe what is revealed, is that Joker is now an enemy to be feared more than any other because he can't be found and yet he is always present (at least his face is!!)

This would allow for the true murder of the Joker (the one wearing the mask) while the real Joker remains alive and ready to use his next puppet. Let's also not forget that the skills that the Joker has portrayed so far are not like him. They are ninja-esque and seemingly beyond what he was ever capable of doing in the past. Maybe he wears the face of the person playing him while they are alive. That way he sees what others cannot. He could even be Alfred.

Just thoughts.

#130 Posted by sunhawk (550 posts) - - Show Bio

@mwells3456 said:

What if the "Joker" that Damien kills turns out not to be the real Joker. What if, because the Joker's face was removed, that now many people can be Joker. What if that was the Chaos factor that Joker hoped for when removing his face. We would never know if the Joker that is fighting batman or disturbing Gotham is the real Joker. Maybe they are all puppets wearing his mask, one after the other, while he sits behind the curtain pulling the strings. Maybe what is revealed, is that Joker is now an enemy to be feared more than any other because he can't be found and yet he is always present (at least his face is!!)

This would allow for the true murder of the Joker (the one wearing the mask) while the real Joker remains alive and ready to use his next puppet. Let's also not forget that the skills that the Joker has portrayed so far are not like him. They are ninja-esque and seemingly beyond what he was ever capable of doing in the past. Maybe he wears the face of the person playing him while they are alive. That way he sees what others cannot. He could even be Alfred.

Just thoughts.

Joker is now 4chan and Anonymous douches with Guy Fawkes masks?

#131 Edited by mwells3456 (5 posts) - - Show Bio

@sunhawk: He said that his new Joker poison could control people. It wouldn't matter who was playing the Joker, it would still be the Joker pulling the strings. Think of what it would do to Batman if he found out that the Joker he was fighting was someone like Alfred and knowing that he had no idea where or who the real Joker was would send him over the edge. Especially if Batman or Damien ended up killing Pennyworth. Imagine Batman knowing that Joker didn't kill Pennyworth, but He or Damien did. To me, that seems more in line with the psychotic actions of the Joker. They said this would be huge. That would be huge!

Again, just a thought.

#132 Posted by Yung ANcient One (4596 posts) - - Show Bio

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I spent a good 12 minutes toying with a "logo", when I came up with (+) it just clicked. It looked great to me. I quickly got addicted to use someone else phone just to type it. At 1st people asked what it was,but soon everyone I texted would know it was me.

I even had one of my best friends say to me once.

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Until finally I got my very on phone again, but it became a habit for me to use. Finally I decided to keep it, and it evolved into so much more. Now not only is it my calling card, but it is a reminder for me to stay positive.

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"Dont worry be happy" "No use in crying over spilled milk" "look at the bright side" "half full", and etc. Expressions used to pretty much say to stay positive I mean "life is too short."

So yeah that is what it is. To stay positive.

Thanks for Reading

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#133 Posted by RedHood22 (17 posts) - - Show Bio

@mwells3456 said:

@sunhawk: He said that his new Joker poison could control people. It wouldn't matter who was playing the Joker, it would still be the Joker pulling the strings. Think of what it would do to Batman if he found out that the Joker he was fighting was someone like Alfred and knowing that he had no idea where or who the real Joker was would send him over the edge. Especially if Batman or Damien ended up killing Pennyworth. Imagine Batman knowing that Joker didn't kill Pennyworth, but He or Damien did. To me, that seems more in line with the psychotic actions of the Joker. They said this would be huge. That would be huge!

Again, just a thought.

This would be a very interesting development in for the character of the Joker. The idea of the "Joker mask" being passed to the people that have been drugged would be an interesting way to hide the identity of those under the toxin's control.

As to the question of Damian being able to kill the Joker, I will answer yes. He has already stated that he will do it given the opportunity. Also, Damian does see killing as a means to an end. He isn't kill crazy, he just sees it as a way to get the best solution in the long run. The death of the Joker at the hands of Bruce's son would be a poetic way to end the character. Bruce's failing to instill his values onto his son, and for his son to violate the "one rule" against his father's greatest enemy, would be the ultimate joke.

#134 Posted by Perfect 10 (946 posts) - - Show Bio

anyone can kill the joker dc just wont let them. do you have any idea how many times this guy has been blown up, drowned, dipped in acid, etc etc and still LIVES? his face was ripped off and he's still walking around like nothing happened and dc refuses to say he has any powers when its obvious this guy has some immunity or immortal abilities. even the acid that turned his skin white has reduced others to nothing but bone but it just brought out his extra crazy (i.e. gamma radiation made bruce banner the hulk instead of ash). either kill the dude or admit he has some kind of meta gene

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#136 Posted by Trav (1 posts) - - Show Bio

I think killing the Joker, as unlikely as it may seem, wouldn't be utterly off cuff for the DC universe. There would be some sort of loophole that brings him back in the future. If they could do it with Superman, why not Joker?

#137 Posted by kagato (244 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Damian has the capacity to kill the Joker, and the desire to do so but i dont think he has the skill to do so. The Joker hides it but hes a really great fighter and can take a lot of punishment, part of it i think is because he is so unpredictable, has no obvious tells and dosent experince pain the way everyone else does. I think if Damian went for it he would get close to doing it and the Joker would spring some sort of trap, he isnt Batman's greatest villain for nothing.

#138 Posted by AllStarSuperman (19536 posts) - - Show Bio

i want jason to give joker his own treatment, by tying him up beating him with a crowbar and then blowing him up... Or haveing Nightwing kill the joker (idk how)... Or Batgirl should shoot joker in the spine and paralyze him(and she could get her revenge and stop acting like a victim to everything)... Or my favorite way i hope the alfred shoots the joker because he loves his family and say this cannot go on. (or something like that)

#139 Posted by sunhawk (550 posts) - - Show Bio

@RedHood22: I would love to see something like this go down. Damian kills THE Joker not just A Joker. Bruce gets all aghast by this action and gets in a big fight with him and tries to forbid him from being a costumed vigilante again. Damian says screw you and runs off with his Robin gear and joins up with his alternate dimension half sister Huntress and Power Girl. Bruce tracks down Damian and confronts him and meets Helena Wayne. Damian learns of Earth2 and uses the device PG had built to return her and Huntress to their home universe. Damian takes over the Wayne fortune/business and sets him self up as the new Batman(but not calling him self Batman). Huntress and Power Girl get stranded for the time being in Earth 0.

#140 Posted by Clifftothemax (59 posts) - - Show Bio

@G_Money_Christmas said:

I don't think so. He underestimates the Joker. He's way too cocky for his own good and I think the Joker would take him out. I wouldn't mind, I think Damian is a self-righteous little sh*t.

This. He's already underestimated Joker twice. And he keeps forgetting to learn his lessons.

#141 Posted by Clifftothemax (59 posts) - - Show Bio

@Yung ANcient One said:

Joker has killed several people, he is twisted beyond repair, so why is it such a big deal to not KILL HIM?

On Batman Begins: Bats for Brains CLEARLY lets Ra's die, but on The Dark Knight he goes out of his way to save Mr. J... again WHY?

Ra's was truly more evil than Joker?

ANd yet again this idea pops up. Damian kills Nobody, and its ok... but The Joker ohhhh thats different... WHY? (+)

Ra's caused his own demise. He started the train, he jammed the controls so that Batman couldn't stop it. Batman simply left him to his fate.

Batman THREW Joker off the building. If he didn't catch him, he would have been directly responsible for his death. Not the same thing.

#142 Posted by Dud317 (285 posts) - - Show Bio

If this in fact were to happen, by Damian's hand, or another of the bat-family, this is how it would play out. Damian delivers the final blow, forcing Bruce to save Joker. In the aftermath of a broken promise, Bruce casts out Damian and any association with the bat-family. Remember, the title is "Death of the Family." Bruce being forced to end his associations by way of Jokers actions would be a devastating blow, but acting for the greater good is what is expected of Batman. This may also give way to the return of Cass or Stephanie. Ultimately, Harper (if that is her real name), could convince Bruce otherwise. We know she's going to play a big part in the next arc.

#143 Posted by silverageguy (43 posts) - - Show Bio

yes Damian should off the twisted creep.It would definitely increase his street cred as a crime fighter. Back in the golden age Batman was known to kill off his villains on ocassion. Interestingly, the readers of that generstion didnt get worked up over it either. Some of these guys deserve to be eliminated. Its time for both DC and Marvel to clean house with their used up villains. Keep them dead too. The Red Skull should have been gone A long time ago and the Green Goblin should NEVER have been resurected. We are in the 21 st century....time for some new villains!

#144 Posted by abeyance (238 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd rather have Damien kill the Joker to go somewhere new than Joker kill another member of Batman's family. Comics should be about exploring new territories not going with what works all the time. The fact that writers keep bringing characters back after death is why death's are so boring no matter how good the story is. The only way to make a death good is to make it controversial. Damien is a child with no qualms about killing. Joker is a grown man with mental issues and Batman's greatest nemesis. Damien's killing of the joker could start a new arc where he's tired of batman's merry-go-round method of crime fighting (fights villains, send them to arkham, they escape, rinse and recycle) Batman could start a new venture where Damien is set to kill off all the criminals in his rouge gallery. How would Batman stop his own son, you know he won't send him to jail or juvenile hall. It would be new grounds and interesting.

#145 Posted by MCWachner (21 posts) - - Show Bio

I love this idea! Damian is a killing-machine and I do believe that he will kill one of Batman's main villains, if it's going to be Joker? I doubt it, he's just too much of a hotspot to be killed off like that, not by Damian Wayne.

But sure! Damian will kill a major character at some point!

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