Is Damian Wayne a Good Robin?

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#151 Edited by Imagine_Man15 (1801 posts) - - Show Bio

@JasonTodd13 said:

@god_spawn: i know the difference and it is a fact, just look at the people damian has murdered. and none of you have factual evidence because all the so called evidence you provided is opinion only not factual. I am not trolling, i dont harass people like you are doing to me. I have read the comics, and i have done nothing wrong and there is no flame war, what are you talking about?

@everyone: bring factual evidence not opinionated evidence, none of you have shown factual evidence of your stoned opinions of him, no evidence oof him changing, of him obeying batmans rules of not killing, no evidence that hes even remotely interesting, no evidence of anyone in the batfamily even remotely liking him, no evidence what so ever. I provided evidence on why damian is a murderer, killing a guy in batman and son, and the guy named nobody and yet you are all in denial about it even though its factual evidence, re read those comics and see im right.

So he's killed two people since breaking from the League... I haven't read Batman and Son so I can't say much about that, but as for Nobody, he only did it because he saw no other option except to let his father die, and he couldn't do that. Damian took NO pleasure in killing Nobody, it wasn't something he wanted to do, it was something he felt like he NEEDED to do. And he does obey the no kill rule when he can; he makes an effort to uphold it. Its only when the cards are down and he doesn't see another option that he will make a kill.

And you said there's no evidence of anyone in the bat family liking him... that's an outright lie. Dick certainly likes him, the two developed a pretty close bond. Bruce loves him as a son, and admires him for making an effort to leave behind his violent past. And while Tim may not particularly like him, he has grown to respect him.

The fact that Damian doesn't go around killing every criminal in sight is evidence enough to disprove your point. I know by this point that I'm not going to change your opinion on anything, and frankly, continuing this debate would be a waste of both of our energy. I just really hope that some day you'll be able to take the blinders off and admit you're wrong once in a while.

#152 Posted by JasonTodd13 (423 posts) - - Show Bio

@wessaari: I am aware characters that can change but its impossible for Jason to change at the moment because there isnt a good story that could show that he can change, but this isnt about him, its about Damian. Damian is one of the characters that wont change because he is an unlikable character, theres nothing interesting about him, nobody likes him (unless they are insane, on drugs or drunk), he is disgracing the Robin legacy and is pissing off Batman fans. Iam not insulting people by the way, im just trying to point out that Damian is more of a villain than a hero and that hes the worst character in the Batman comics and the whole DCU. The Damian fan base is filled with drunks and stoners and insane people, nobody in the right mind would like him, damian isnt even a people person, no character in the dc universe likes as shown he is at constant odds with the batfamily and any other person he comes across, just look at the Teen Titans, they couldnt put up with him except Rose, who likes killing more or less, being the daughter of deathstroke. Damian will never be Batman (I hope, but if they do make him batman, there will be a huge outrage from batman fans everywhere, because he is unfit to be batman, and Tim would be the better choice to be batman) By the way, i dont care if some people dont like jason, dick, tim, batman, etc. this is about damian and damian alone. I dont have an ego, damian does but i dont, i do not think highly of myself like damian does, because everyone knows Damian has an arrogant ego, thinking hes better than everyone in the Batfamily, i dont like people with arrogant egos like Damian. People are complaining to mean about opinion and facts because they are denying the evidence that Damian murdered two people and possibly more off-comic continuity. Damian doesnt kill all the time because he only kills when he feels like it, its like a shark playing with its meal so to speak. Damian will never be a good guy, he is the worst Robin and he is incapable of even trying to be a good person.

@god_spawn: sounds like you are harassing me like a troll as you keep responding to my comments and attempting to insult me. And why the hell are we talking about Jason, its about Damian only. A character that nobody likes means no one will ever like the character, its that simple. The people have claimed to like Damian, but they have no evidence to show that they like Damian or that Damian can be a likable character. Its not my opinion that Damian is a bad character, its a fact i learned from other people (Damian Haters) and from what stories i read that feature that little psychopath. Im not trying to start a flame war, but the other people are certainly are, why dont you tell them to stop trying to bring up a flame war? they are doing it by trying to tell me things about damian without credible evidence that is trolling right there, they think they are right but are trying to convince people they are right and the other people are wrong.

@Imagine_Man15: Murder isnt an option for heroes even if a someone close to you has their life in danger, Damian is a murderer, he has enjoyed it, because he is a psychopath, he wanted to do it, he needed to do it to sate his bloodlust, and he doesnt obey the no kill rule, hes just someone who likes playing with his food before eating, he has made no effort to obey the rule, and the option to murder is not an option a hero is suppose to take.

Dick worked with Damian, yes, but he doesnt like him. He was just trying to help Damian out of respect for Bruce, if bruce was still around at that time, he wouldnt bother with Damian. And theres no bond between Dick and Damian, all i seen them do is bicker and argue over the no kill rule and Damians ego of thinking hes better than everyone else. Bruce however its hard to say, he certainly hasnt told Damian that he loved him, because he barely knows the kid, he is trying to make an effort to help Damian though, but he hasnt grown to love Damian yet, he still needs to get to know him more and Bruce doesnt admire Damian at all, because Damian is not really trying to move one from his violent past. Tim doesnt respect Damian, because Damian doesnt deserve respect as hes a murderer.

Murderers dont murder every single person in sight you know, they plan and target certain people to murder and thats what damian does.

#153 Edited by Ironhawk22 (320 posts) - - Show Bio

@JasonTodd13 said:

@wessaari: he is used to piss off true batman fans, as he insults the bat family and the robin legacy, its the only reason why he still in the comics and yes everyone is high or stoned or insane who likes him.

I never said i was never wrong, im just not wrong about damian. I never said i knew everything because i havent read every batman story, where are you getting that rubbish idea about me? And no one here likes Damian, thats why theres more than one thread on not lking damian.

i said hes evil not pure evil, i never said he didnt care for his father, its just that he murders people for for his own enjoyment.

im not insulting people by the way, im just trying to explain that none of you have any undeniable evidence that damian is interesting at all. hes kept around to piss people off thats all. becasue dc likes pissing people off with terrible characters.

@gotwillpower: no hes not cool, nothing about him is cool. he is a murderer and a disgrace to the robin legacy, stephanie was even better than him.

@Imagine_Man15: Damian hasnt changed and he will never will, hes one of the characters that wont change. hes till the kill happy kid he always was, hes doing nothing to change at all, hes still murdering people.

this isnt about jason, its about damian. Anyway, Jason doesnt care about anyone because he believes no one cared about him, especially when he died. Jason is still the cool anti hero he was when he first returned to bruces life in under the hood.

And i didnt start the arguements, these people want to argue with me apparently.

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So I'm either crazy, or a drunk for thinking Damian is a great character? Nice to know. I bet you've barely even read anything with Damian in it. Most people on the Vine and other comic related sites think Damian is a great character so I guess they're all drunks and crazy too!

Damian has killed three FICTIONAL characters. Nobody was in self defense from what I've heard, Dr. Dedalus was to save Bruce, and I honestly don't remember what the Spook did but he was a criminal. Jason is WORSE than Damian. Damian killed three characters, all villains. Jason has killed multiple characters, all villains. You do realize Damian is a fictional character. So actually it's more than likely he could change if the writer thought it fit the story. Damian isn't evil, he's a jerk there's a difference.

Oh and yes Damian is very interesting. Much better than the very bland and uninteresting pretender the New 52 Tim Drake.

#154 Posted by JasonTodd13 (423 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ironhawk22: you have no evidence showing that damian is a likable characeter.Damian murdered all three of those characters because he is psychopathic and wants to kill people, he was raised by the league after all, he killed them all on purpsose and because he wanted to. Jason is BETTER than Damian because he kills to protect the people of Gotham, to prevent any innocent people from being victimized by those same criminals, he does it for his own version of Justice which involves putting down the criminals PERMANENTLY and all the scum jason killed deserved to die. Yes i do realize Dmian is a fictional character, tell this to the other people, they are the ones who seem to think Damian is a relatable character. Damian is evil, hes a psychopath and will never change.

No evidence of damian being interesting, and Tim Drake is far better than Damian, and hes the one who deserves to become the next Batman, unlike Damian who needs to die and be forgotten about.

#155 Posted by Ironhawk22 (320 posts) - - Show Bio

@JasonTodd13: Ugh. No Damian killed Nobody in SELF DEFENSE and Otto to SAVE BRUCE. Not because he's crazy. He said it himself. OTTO NETZ IS A NAZI, WHO WANTED TO DESTROY THE WORLD. He is scum, he deserved what happened just like the criminals Jason killed did as you say. You're a hypocrite.

#156 Posted by gotwillpower (679 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ironhawk22 said:

@JasonTodd13 said: Some crazy stuff

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#157 Posted by DEGRAAF (7904 posts) - - Show Bio

@BatWatch said:

Whereas all the previous Robins have fit this role pretty well, Damian flies in the face of it; he is no Boy Hostage. In the past several years as he has held the role of Robin, I can think of no time he has been held at a villains mercy. There very well may be such an example that escapes my recollection, but still, Damian is not an easy target. He regularly takes out groups of enemies that would overwhelm the vast majority of martial arts masters. His detective skills could use a little help, but he has actually progressed quickly in that regard. He does need some development in terms of emotional maturity, but Batman is hardly the best example in that field.

The first thing that popped in my head when i started reading the 2nd part was Damien taking the batmobile for a joy ride and running into Killer Croc and i thought he needed saving

#158 Posted by Ironhawk22 (320 posts) - - Show Bio

@gotwillpower said:

@Ironhawk22 said:

@JasonTodd13 said: Some crazy stuff

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Welcome to the party

Thanks.

First off yes Damian and Dick were friends. In Teen Titans he left the team because he only needed one friend and it was Grayson. Stephanie had a brother sister relationship with Damian. Alfred and Damian have also grown close. He also has three pets which he cares for. Also you're saying NOBODY likes Damian. That's not the case as I, and many others are here telling you we are fans of the character. Nobody means absolutely no one. So you're wrong many people do like Damian, I'd say more than the ones who hate him.

You have no evidence, nada, that Damian is this insane psycho killer you're making him out to be. None, where as we(posters on this thread) have tons and tons evidence that Damian isn't crazy and is a good character. You clearly don't know the difference between fact and opinion. Oh and you think that behind the scenes in a comic Damian has been secretly killing. No evidence whatsoever. You're saying he could secretly be killing. Well Batman could secretly be riding unicorns in outerspace with his best pals Bat-Mite and Catwoman if we're going by that logic.

#159 Posted by RedHood22 (31 posts) - - Show Bio

Seems like a large majority agree that Damian is a "good Robin", in the sense that he is unique in the role. I find his mixture of adult/child mindset to be fascinating. It's interesting to watch this character attempt to make connections and find his place within his new family.

#160 Posted by JasonTodd13 (423 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ironhawk22: No he killed those people because he enjoyed it, hes a psychopath raised by the league of assassins. I am not a hypocrite, Jason kills for different reasons than damian, he does it to protect the people from gotham, by getting rid of criminals permanently, Damian does not do it for the same reasons jason does, he enjoys doing, whereas Jason he justs does what he thinks needs to be done to protect people.

@Ironhawk22: No, Damian and Dick werent friends, Dick was only trying to get Damian to stop murdering people, he was more of in the mentor category, dick didnt even like damian, he just mentored Damian, because he felt thats what bruce would have wanted. The Teen Titans hated him and thats why he left because they preferred Tim, Stephanie however hasnt even met Damian, and even if she did, she doesnt like him as damian isnt a likable person, Alfred does what a loyal butler, takes care of people even though he doesnt like them, and i believe Damian assaulted Alfred in Batman and Son. And none of you have any evidence thats undeniable that states he damian can be a likable character. So im right no one likes him both in comics and real life, you have no evidence on the reasons on liking damian.

yes, i do have evidence of the three people hes killed, read his stories, his murders are there. And no you havent shown any evidence at all, so what are you on about? it is a fact, that damian is a bad character, i know the difference between fact and opinion and its definitely a fact about damian. Its pretty obvious that Damian is still killing off comic coontinuity because he likes murdering people, i dont need evidence to say that because in the comics they dont shown every single day of a year in comic continuity.

@RedHood22: They are all drunk, stoned or completely insane, they claim damian is a good character, when they have provided no undeniable evidence what so ever. And he has no place in the bat family.

#161 Posted by RedHood22 (31 posts) - - Show Bio

You've been warned by the mods, already. While we may not share your opinion, please have the courtesy to respect our opinions, as we respect that you do not like the character.

#162 Posted by JasonTodd13 (423 posts) - - Show Bio

@RedHood22: i didnt do anything wrong, i do respect your opinions (even though they are insane ones), im just trying to pint out Damian isnt the person you think he is, hes not a good person or a hero.

#163 Posted by Ironhawk22 (320 posts) - - Show Bio

@JasonTodd13: Whatever. I could tell you the grass is green and you'd argue it's really red and that I have no evidence.

#164 Posted by havoc1201 (521 posts) - - Show Bio

@JasonTodd13 said:

@Ironhawk22: No he killed those people because he enjoyed it, hes a psychopath raised by the league of assassins. I am not a hypocrite, Jason kills for different reasons than damian, he does it to protect the people from gotham, by getting rid of criminals permanently, Damian does not do it for the same reasons jason does, he enjoys doing, whereas Jason he justs does what he thinks needs to be done to protect people.

@Ironhawk22: No, Damian and Dick werent friends, Dick was only trying to get Damian to stop murdering people, he was more of in the mentor category, dick didnt even like damian, he just mentored Damian, because he felt thats what bruce would have wanted. The Teen Titans hated him and thats why he left because they preferred Tim, Stephanie however hasnt even met Damian, and even if she did, she doesnt like him as damian isnt a likable person, Alfred does what a loyal butler, takes care of people even though he doesnt like them, and i believe Damian assaulted Alfred in Batman and Son. And none of you have any evidence thats undeniable that states he damian can be a likable character. So im right no one likes him both in comics and real life, you have no evidence on the reasons on liking damian.

yes, i do have evidence of the three people hes killed, read his stories, his murders are there. And no you havent shown any evidence at all, so what are you on about? it is a fact, that damian is a bad character, i know the difference between fact and opinion and its definitely a fact about damian. Its pretty obvious that Damian is still killing off comic coontinuity because he likes murdering people, i dont need evidence to say that because in the comics they dont shown every single day of a year in comic continuity.

@RedHood22: They are all drunk, stoned or completely insane, they claim damian is a good character, when they have provided no undeniable evidence what so ever. And he has no place in the bat family.

you are crazy lol red Batman and Robin you will see that he does not kill bc he is a psychopath unlike Jason when he returned before the New 52 who tried to kill members of the Bat family bc he was hurt that Batman didnt kill Joker bc Jason acted like a child who didnt get his way yes they changed it in the new 52 but he still tried to kill Members Damian killed bc he was trianed to kill when fighting someone not bc he loved it but bc thats how he was trained to fight but if you have read the Batman and Robin series you would see that he has been following his fathers rules and he believes in them In Nightwing #`11 Damian tells dick that he dosnt wear yellow and green for fun he wears it because its his new path as a hero not as his mothers puppet so yeah he has changed also Batman and Robin #16 he stops fighting Batman and says i would rather die by your hands then you by mine so that dosnt sound like a blood hungry psychopath to me or anyone except you.

#165 Posted by sinestro_GL (3282 posts) - - Show Bio

@JasonTodd13 said:

@RedHood22: i didnt do anything wrong, i do respect your opinions (even though they are insane ones), im just trying to pint out Damian isnt the person you think he is, hes not a good person or a hero.

Get over yourself. Don't preach to my fellow Viners on which character you think is good or not.

#166 Posted by BatWatch (2881 posts) - - Show Bio

@daredevil21134 said:

I think Damian is ok but I wish Tim Drake was still Robin

I just wish we had old Tim Drake back in any form. I can't stand the DCNU Tim.

I did enjoy Tim's persona as pre-Flashpoint Red Robin...despite the horrible name.

#167 Posted by BatWatch (2881 posts) - - Show Bio

@gotwillpower said:

@JasonTodd13 said:

@gotwillpower: no hes not cool, nothing about him is cool. he is a murderer and a disgrace to the robin legacy, stephanie was even better than him.

I haven't read any of Stephanie's appearances (I started reading 7 months ago), guess I'll check some out.

I love the Robin series especially Chuck Dixon's run on the first hundred issues, and Stephanie is basically the co star of that series. If you want to read more of her appearances, she basically just has her Batgirl series. @Mercy_ said:

Switching this to the Damian forum.

(sigh) Okay. I was hoping it would fit into Batman since it is really about the relationship between Batman and Robin, but I get the change. @Mercy_ said:

And to answer the question, yes. But more importantly, he's an interesting Robin.

Well, that doesn't really address how well he fits the mold. I agree he is an interesting character, but that is not what this post is about (chuckles) though almost nobody seems to see that distinction.

@Imagine_Man15:

Actually, he had not broken from the League when he killed the Ghost, so as far as I know, he only has a body count of one since switching.

@Ironhawk22:

Interesting. I don't think I saw Damian kill Dr. Deadalus. Was that in Batman Inc. Volume 2 because I have not read that one yet.

@RedHood22 said:

Seems like a large majority agree that Damian is a "good Robin", in the sense that he is unique in the role. I find his mixture of adult/child mindset to be fascinating. It's interesting to watch this character attempt to make connections and find his place within his new family.

Yeah, he's definitely a cool character, but I wanted to compare him to some previous incarnations of Robin to see how he fit the previously defined role.

@Mods

Can we get Jason banned already? He's been insulting people for a long time now, and he has already been warned.

#168 Posted by daredevil21134 (12343 posts) - - Show Bio

@BatWatch said:

@daredevil21134 said:

I think Damian is ok but I wish Tim Drake was still Robin

I just wish we had old Tim Drake back in any form. I can't stand the DCNU Tim.

I did enjoy Tim's persona as pre-Flashpoint Red Robin...despite the horrible name.

I would have loved the Red Robin series more if he would have stayed in his Robin costume

#169 Posted by anihush (132 posts) - - Show Bio

I say the damian is third tied with jason. Second is tin and the first is Grayson all the good ones wereintersection of what model kid was Generation. Fpr example Jason 80s punk rebel I do what I want I just think damian is a punk like kids are now to that respect yes as in skill meh I give a e for effort

#170 Posted by Ironhawk22 (320 posts) - - Show Bio

@BatWatch: Volume one is a bit lighter than volume two. Volume one is a lot more fun, however Leviathan Strikes is when the book starts to get a bit darker. The best two issues are Batman, Incorporated #4 and Batman Incorporated #7 .

#171 Posted by BatWatch (2881 posts) - - Show Bio

@daredevil21134 said:

@BatWatch said:

@daredevil21134 said:

I think Damian is ok but I wish Tim Drake was still Robin

I just wish we had old Tim Drake back in any form. I can't stand the DCNU Tim.

I did enjoy Tim's persona as pre-Flashpoint Red Robin...despite the horrible name.

I would have loved the Red Robin series more if he would have stayed in his Robin costume

I hated the new costume at first, but it actually grew on me by the end...especially after he changed it to make it a little more streamlined.@Ironhawk22 said:

@BatWatch: Volume one is a bit lighter than volume two. Volume one is a lot more fun, however Leviathan Strikes is when the book starts to get a bit darker. The best two issues are Batman, Incorporated #4 and Batman Incorporated #7 .

I think my favorite thus far was the flash-forward into Damian's future. That was pretty awesome.

So, did Damian kill Dr. Deadalus in Leviathan Strikes!?

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