Damian Wayne is the son of Bruce Wayne and Talia al Ghul. Trained by the League of Assassins all his life, Damian joined his father’s side in the war against crime by becoming the fifth Robin.
@InnerVenom123: I have also read, The return of ras al ghul, Dick (as batman) with damian story during blackest night and the batman and robin stories, dick as batman. and other stories, damian is till the same douche kid.
You must have missed the parts where Damian stopped killing people and being around Dick proved to be a positive influence for him...
@FadeToBlackBolt: he killed before and after his time in the wheel chair (what are you on? drugs or something? where you go that from?) just proving hes utterly useless as a hero as he couldnt save one girl, and his legs were fine there. Whos FDR?
just thought it was odd you made a marvel reference in a dc related post.
@InnerVenom123: he still acted like and arrogant prick around anyone including dick and the teen titans, besides he kills when he wants to, and around them he didnt feel like killing. and he cant be influenced by anyone since hes been exiled from the al ghul family.
@Surkit: whats ROFL? i said he he hasnt gone any daddy issues, that he likes what he does he obviously shows he has no problems other than the fact hes a murdering psychopathic villain. And i ever said you anyone needs daddy issues to be a model citizen, dont know where you got that from.
@Joygirl: LOL
Your logic is just off man. Seems like you just dislike the character without trying to understand him. The story where he murdered? The kid was recruited by Nobody TO kill but he proved he didn't want to and was really working a plan to catch Nobody. He only killed him because he would kill again...Just like Todd's logic. You ask me he's more like Todd than anything.
@InnerVenom123: he most likely killed more, its just that they havent mentioned it in the comics yet. He killed a guy named nobody in the new 52, so it still proves hes a murderer. other than that cant think of anyone else, still doesnt change the fact hes a psychopath.
@Surkit: no he killed nobody because he liked killing, damian doesnt care for anyone except himself, and thats different from jasons reasons for killing scum. damians nothing like todd, jasons an anti hero, damians a murdering villain big difference.
@InnerVenom123: he most likely killed more, its just that they havent mentioned it in the comics yet. He killed a guy named nobody in the new 52, so it still proves hes a murderer. other than that cant think of anyone else, still doesnt change the fact hes a psychopath.
So you have no actual evidence to back up your claim besides the fact that you (wrongly) think Damian's still a sadistic killer?
@InnerVenom123: yes, i have provided evidence i told you the two people hes killed, thats proof enough and also he has sociopathic behaviour he doesnt get along with anyone.
and you have no evidence yourself that Damian is what you say he is. evidence goes both ways.
@InnerVenom123: yes, i have provided evidence i told you the two people hes killed, thats proof enough and also he has sociopathic behaviour he doesnt get along with anyone.
and you have no evidence yourself that Damian is what you say he is. evidence goes both ways.
The evidence is the comics that you clearly aren't reading right.
Damian has a pet cow, dog, and cat.
Last I checked, sociopaths don't really care for anyone but themselves.
@InnerVenom123: he does not have any pets, what use does a prick like him want with pets? And damian does not care for anyone, as hes so self centered on killing people for his sick bloodlust.
@InnerVenom123: he does not have any pets, what use does a prick like him want with pets? And damian does not care for anyone, as hes so self centered on killing people for his sick bloodlust.
@InnerVenom123: the only one thats real was alfred the cat because i read that story and its in an alternate future, irrelevant to the present DCU. the others are cleraly fake.
@InnerVenom123: the only one thats real was alfred the cat because i read that story and its in an alternate future, irrelevant to the present DCU. the others are cleraly fake.
Alfred the cat was just re-introduced in the last issue of Batman Inc.
Batcow exists. Damian saved him from a slaughterhouse.
Titus exists too. He's in the current Batman and Robin book.
@InnerVenom123: you are just denying the fact that damian is a murderer and psychopath. and damian has no pets, even if he does, he probably kills them and look at their insides, because he is that kind of psychopath.
@InnerVenom123: you are just denying the fact that damian is a murderer and psychopath. and damian has no pets, even if he does, he probably kills them and look at their insides, because he is that kind of psychopath.
He's a kid with issues, he's relatable. The character won't go anywhere because you gotta keep in mind even though adults read comics, the audience is kids. Plus he's had growth over time. You saw him go from completely self entitled to showing more and more respect to the bat fam. He once broke Alfred's arm I think, now he's gettin cats from him lol. My point is give the kid a shot to grow up, sure not many dug Tim Drake when he started either. Read his books from when he first showed up, he was basically a have your cake and eat it character. Dick Grayson while people still got Nightwing, only his tech skills were made more obvious..
Gotta give the character room to grow before you can judge him.
This is all correct... But it is also one of my biggest beefs with DC Comics.
@Surkit said:
@JasonTodd13:
lol aight, well, take it down a level :P There's not detectives in bat suits, men with power rings, or aliens with steel solid morals either;but they have a fan base that finds them relatable. There aren't killer kids out there, not in mass anyway, but there are kids with daddy issues, tough guy coping mechanisms, and a strike first ask later mentality. That's the stuff people relate to, and more
@JasonTodd13 said:
@Surkit: Damian is NOT relatable. There arent any murdering psychopathic kids like him in the real world, hes a purely fictional character that cant relate any person in the real world. Damian wont grow, he made it perfectly clear he wont change that he will remain a murderer for the rest of his life.
There was a Damien Batman before there was even a Damien :P
Powers and personality traits have nothing to do with one another. Comic characters have powers... No one cares if they do or don't... That is a given. Their personalities on the other hand... Is what makes us either love or hate a character. It is easy to hate Damian, unless you are a prick little kid. Or still have that immature side inside at an older age. He is a waste of space, and while I don't agree with JasonTodd13 100% either, I don't see this depth you speak of. lol
I don't like many characters that others seem to eat up... Emma Frost for an example. I hate her with a great deal of passion, and I find her to be one of the most fake and unrealistic characters in all of comicdom personality wise, but people still eat her up.
@Surkit: There is nothing unique about Damian... And he doesn't have depth either. He's never even had a chance to have a normal childhood, and develop any sort of depth, or unique personality. He is only what he was made into, and now he is being thrown into a mixture of individuals with actual content. People with strong individualistic personalities, and depth... Damian is not a deep character... In terms of personality he is the shallow end of the pool. Just another pointless character added to Bruce's legacy.
Unless inept normal development = Unique/Depth in some insane point of retrospective... I just simply don't understand how that could even make any sense, and I am fairly certain my psychology professor would agree with me.
I actually think Damian presents, what I consider, a rare opportunity in comics: the chance to see a comic character literally grow up on the pages. I think it can be said that a good deal of sidekicks have "grown up" in the pages of the comics we read but Dick Grayson is the only other character I think we have really seen grow in as much detail as we have had over the years( Robin to TT to Nightwing to Outsiders to Bludhaven to being Batman...). I think introducing Damian so young and having him undergo the character progression I foresee him going through will be a treat. Only thing I don't like about the character is that DC has seemed to have given him Tim's role in relation to being Dick's "little brother" in N52. I don't mind them being close but not at the expense of the Tim Drake connection
@Surkit: There is nothing unique about Damian... And he doesn't have depth either. He's never even had a chance to have a normal childhood, and develop any sort of depth, or unique personality. He is only what he was made into, and now he is being thrown into a mixture of individuals with actual content. People with strong individualistic personalities, and depth... Damian is not a deep character... In terms of personality he is the shallow end of the pool. Just another pointless character added to Bruce's legacy.
I can see your point, I don't agree but I get where your coming from :)
@Nightwing28710: jason kills to protect the innocents of gotham, damian kills because he likes it, big difference between an antihero and villain.
@InnerVenom123: then they are all fake then.
I already addressed the fact that two of the three times Damian has killed it was in self defense and to save his father. Second how can you say the characters are fake when he just provided evidence that they all exist in current continuity. You're so filled with hatred for a FICTIONAL character that you just chose to ignore evidence.
@Ironhawk22: That isnt evidence if you just "claim" your evidence to b true, you need to show actual evidence. second of all, damian would never have pets, unless he has a sick mind and kills them so he could look at their insides, because thats how sick and psychopathic Damian is. You have no evidence so stop claiming you have evidence when you have none. And whats wrong with you? I perfectly know hes a fictional character, why are you reminding me when i already know hes not real?
Just look at this evidence here: Damian tries to murder Tim.
@Ironhawk22: That isnt evidence if you just "claim" your evidence to b true, you need to show actual evidence. second of all, damian would never have pets, unless he has a sick mind and kills them so he could look at their insides, because thats how sick and psychopathic Damian is. You have no evidence so stop claiming you have evidence when you have none. And whats wrong with you? I perfectly know hes a fictional character, why are you reminding me when i already know hes not real?
Just look at this evidence here: Damian tries to murder Tim.
You realize that was when Damian first debuted. Damian has evolved into a better character since then. Oh and funny you say about Damian being the one that wants to kill animals. In Batman, Incorporated #6 Jason suggests they kill and eat Bat-Cow. Don't believe me read the issue.
You want evidence Damian has pets... Alfred, Bat-Cow, and Titus. All of them alive and happy. Still I'm sure you'll say that's not evidence, they're fake even though their right there. Read Leviathan Strikes, read the Nobody story. Damian kills in self defense and to save Bruce. He doesn't enjoy it he does it when it's needed. Whatever base his characterization off his first few issue. You're ignorance is sad. You act like he's a real person, that's why I had to bring up the fact he's fictional.
@Ironhawk22: That isnt evidence if you just "claim" your evidence to b true, you need to show actual evidence. second of all, damian would never have pets, unless he has a sick mind and kills them so he could look at their insides, because thats how sick and psychopathic Damian is. You have no evidence so stop claiming you have evidence when you have none. And whats wrong with you? I perfectly know hes a fictional character, why are you reminding me when i already know hes not real?
Just look at this evidence here: Damian tries to murder Tim.
Also you want to know who else attacked Tim? JASON TODD!
@InnerVenom123: he has no character development, hes still the same murderer raised by the league of assassins. nice venom picture by the way.
@FadeToBlackBolt: spiderman is marvel not dc comics.
Are you sure? I don't know about that. I'll have to double check. (Searches) By gum! You're right! It says right there. "Spider-Man is a Marvel Comics character". Golly gee, thanks mister!
I actually think Damian presents, what I consider, a rare opportunity in comics: the chance to see a comic character literally grow up on the pages. I think it can be said that a good deal of sidekicks have "grown up" in the pages of the comics we read but Dick Grayson is the only other character I think we have really seen grow in as much detail as we have had over the years( Robin to TT to Nightwing to Outsiders to Bludhaven to being Batman...). I think introducing Damian so young and having him undergo the character progression I foresee him going through will be a treat. Only thing I don't like about the character is that DC has seemed to have given him Tim's role in relation to being Dick's "little brother" in N52. I don't mind them being close but not at the expense of the Tim Drake connection
I agree, though I also think we got to see Wally grow up to the same extent as Dick.
Tim Drake as a character has pretty much been assassinated since Flashpoint, though I think Damian's relationship with Dick is similar but still different. Tim and Dick have always been straight up brothers. Dick and Damian have that, but in a way it's deeper because Dick's the only person Damian considers to be his friend, and even later will still have been his first friend and the first person to really give him a chance to grow and become something more. He really stepped up and took on that father role for Damian while Bruce was "gone" and due to that i'd say he should realistically be far closer to Damian than Bruce. With Tim, that wasn't necessary as he had a father and then he had a mentor. Damian had neither. Tim and Dick could still be close if the writers chose to have them really interact.
Personally I didn't even care for Damian when he was first introduced, but he's grown on me. And a lot of it has to do with his stint as Robin with Dick, because that's where we saw the real growth. He goes from this self entitled kid who does whatever he wants to a boy trying to earn his father's respect and position at his side, and I think the writing's been great for the most part and that it all came to a head where he chose to follow Dick as Robin instead of his fanatical mother. (She's really gone off the deep end since the old days.) What I really appreciate is that no writer ever tried to make him into something he wasn't, like how when they first appeared both Jason and Tim were carrying traits of Dick Grayson. Damian's always stood apart from the others. He has both good and bad traits and neither side is ever really downplayed, at the same time it's made abundantly clear that despite all his skills he really is just a small 10 year old boy in a vast universe, and that he has to deal with things that most kids wouldn't be able to handle.
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