No. For the last time, Marvel is not going to make him a villain.

IF he is going to kill all the avengers then he is evil now no redemption in my opinion.

Wait is wolverine and avenger cuz it would be nice to see him disappear

@Osian2: Again, the answer is no. This event is basically Civil War + House of M in away except entirely crappy writing. Did Iron Man come across as the bad guy in that event? Yes. Did he stay a villain? No. Did people hate him for awhile after? Probably. Did it stop him from being a hero? No. It's the same thing with Cyclops. By the end of this event I predict everything will be all settled and things will go back to how they were.

@god_spawn said:

No. For the last time, Marvel is not going to make him a villain.

Do you really have that much faith in Marvel? Gillen maybe but Marvel as an organization with the Architects at the reins?

@BlackArmor: I wrote these reasons in another thread and for the most part I feel the same.

• X-Men are one of Marvel's biggest franchises and Gillen has been writing them as one of the best books that is being shipped out. No way is Marvel going to ruin that. Emma and Scott are also one of the biggest couples making the series even more popular. Marvel may have subpar writers at times but they aren't stupid about turning away a cash cow hence why they try and ship out as many X titles as possible.
• They are all heroes. Scott may go nuts one day but that doesn't mean the rest of the X-Men will. Emma is no longer a villain, Magneto is no longer a villain and the same goes for the rest. They were brought up on certain ideas and even on the brink of extinction they are still fighting the good fight (not technically now since this is a cheap Civil War like event.) . Cyclops may be a bit darker now and will kill bad guys when necessary and if all else fails, but guess what? So will Cap which he has done before. In the end of this I still see it like this

@god_spawn said:

@Osian2: Again, the answer is no. This event is basically Civil War + House of M in away except entirely crappy writing. Did Iron Man come across as the bad guy in that event? Yes. Did he stay a villain? No. Did people hate him for awhile after? Probably. Did it stop him from being a hero? No. It's the same thing with Cyclops. By the end of this event I predict everything will be all settled and things will go back to how they were.

@god_spawn said:

@BlackArmor: I wrote these reasons in another thread and for the most part I feel the same.

• X-Men are one of Marvel's biggest franchises and Gillen has been writing them as one of the best books that is being shipped out. No way is Marvel going to ruin that. Emma and Scott are also one of the biggest couples making the series even more popular. Marvel may have subpar writers at times but they aren't stupid about turning away a cash cow hence why they try and ship out as many X titles as possible.
• They are all heroes. Scott may go nuts one day but that doesn't mean the rest of the X-Men will. Emma is no longer a villain, Magneto is no longer a villain and the same goes for the rest. They were brought up on certain ideas and even on the brink of extinction they are still fighting the good fight (not technically now since this is a cheap Civil War like event.) . Cyclops may be a bit darker now and will kill bad guys when necessary and if all else fails, but guess what? So will Cap which he has done before. In the end of this I still see it like this

@god_spawn said:

@Osian2: Again, the answer is no. This event is basically Civil War + House of M in away except entirely crappy writing. Did Iron Man come across as the bad guy in that event? Yes. Did he stay a villain? No. Did people hate him for awhile after? Probably. Did it stop him from being a hero? No. It's the same thing with Cyclops. By the end of this event I predict everything will be all settled and things will go back to how they were.

Trust in the GS.

@ApatheticAvenger said:

@god_spawn said:

@BlackArmor: I wrote these reasons in another thread and for the most part I feel the same.

• X-Men are one of Marvel's biggest franchises and Gillen has been writing them as one of the best books that is being shipped out. No way is Marvel going to ruin that. Emma and Scott are also one of the biggest couples making the series even more popular. Marvel may have subpar writers at times but they aren't stupid about turning away a cash cow hence why they try and ship out as many X titles as possible.
• They are all heroes. Scott may go nuts one day but that doesn't mean the rest of the X-Men will. Emma is no longer a villain, Magneto is no longer a villain and the same goes for the rest. They were brought up on certain ideas and even on the brink of extinction they are still fighting the good fight (not technically now since this is a cheap Civil War like event.) . Cyclops may be a bit darker now and will kill bad guys when necessary and if all else fails, but guess what? So will Cap which he has done before. In the end of this I still see it like this

@god_spawn said:

@Osian2: Again, the answer is no. This event is basically Civil War + House of M in away except entirely crappy writing. Did Iron Man come across as the bad guy in that event? Yes. Did he stay a villain? No. Did people hate him for awhile after? Probably. Did it stop him from being a hero? No. It's the same thing with Cyclops. By the end of this event I predict everything will be all settled and things will go back to how they were.

Trust in the GS.

god_spawn has allot of good points of course but as awesome as Cyke is he doesn't make the X-men a great seller or else he would be a member in more than one book and Gillen probably won't quit if they make him kill Cyclops,non-comic readers tend not to like him, I was actually booed at one point for saying that he was my favorite X-men, with Wolverine (randomly and unconvincingly) set up as a X-men leader I can easily see Marvel watering at the mouth at the idea of putting him charge of the X-men and I can see them sacrificing Cyclops to do it even though I don't think think the entire extinction team would go with him

@BlackArmor said:

@ApatheticAvenger said:

@god_spawn said:

@BlackArmor: I wrote these reasons in another thread and for the most part I feel the same.

• X-Men are one of Marvel's biggest franchises and Gillen has been writing them as one of the best books that is being shipped out. No way is Marvel going to ruin that. Emma and Scott are also one of the biggest couples making the series even more popular. Marvel may have subpar writers at times but they aren't stupid about turning away a cash cow hence why they try and ship out as many X titles as possible.
• They are all heroes. Scott may go nuts one day but that doesn't mean the rest of the X-Men will. Emma is no longer a villain, Magneto is no longer a villain and the same goes for the rest. They were brought up on certain ideas and even on the brink of extinction they are still fighting the good fight (not technically now since this is a cheap Civil War like event.) . Cyclops may be a bit darker now and will kill bad guys when necessary and if all else fails, but guess what? So will Cap which he has done before. In the end of this I still see it like this

@god_spawn said:

@Osian2: Again, the answer is no. This event is basically Civil War + House of M in away except entirely crappy writing. Did Iron Man come across as the bad guy in that event? Yes. Did he stay a villain? No. Did people hate him for awhile after? Probably. Did it stop him from being a hero? No. It's the same thing with Cyclops. By the end of this event I predict everything will be all settled and things will go back to how they were.

Trust in the GS.

god_spawn has allot of good points of course but as awesome as Cyke is he doesn't make the X-men a great seller or else he would be a member in more than one book and Gillen probably won't quit if they make him kill Cyclops,non-comic readers tend not to like him, I was actually booed at one point for saying that he was my favorite X-men, with Wolverine (randomly and unconvincingly) set up as a X-men leader I can easily see Marvel watering at the mouth at the idea of putting him charge of the X-men and I can see them sacrificing Cyclops to do it even though I don't think think the entire extinction team would go with him

And yet Uncanny X-Men has outsold Wolverine and the X-Men.

@ApatheticAvenger: Okay good point, I still don't trust Marvel to see Cyke as a necessary part of the X-men but I hope you guys are right about them being smart enough to not kill him

@Osian2 said:

@ApatheticAvenger said:

@BlackArmor said:

@ApatheticAvenger said:

@god_spawn said:

@BlackArmor: I wrote these reasons in another thread and for the most part I feel the same.

• X-Men are one of Marvel's biggest franchises and Gillen has been writing them as one of the best books that is being shipped out. No way is Marvel going to ruin that. Emma and Scott are also one of the biggest couples making the series even more popular. Marvel may have subpar writers at times but they aren't stupid about turning away a cash cow hence why they try and ship out as many X titles as possible.
• They are all heroes. Scott may go nuts one day but that doesn't mean the rest of the X-Men will. Emma is no longer a villain, Magneto is no longer a villain and the same goes for the rest. They were brought up on certain ideas and even on the brink of extinction they are still fighting the good fight (not technically now since this is a cheap Civil War like event.) . Cyclops may be a bit darker now and will kill bad guys when necessary and if all else fails, but guess what? So will Cap which he has done before. In the end of this I still see it like this

@god_spawn said:

@Osian2: Again, the answer is no. This event is basically Civil War + House of M in away except entirely crappy writing. Did Iron Man come across as the bad guy in that event? Yes. Did he stay a villain? No. Did people hate him for awhile after? Probably. Did it stop him from being a hero? No. It's the same thing with Cyclops. By the end of this event I predict everything will be all settled and things will go back to how they were.

Trust in the GS.

god_spawn has allot of good points of course but as awesome as Cyke is he doesn't make the X-men a great seller or else he would be a member in more than one book and Gillen probably won't quit if they make him kill Cyclops,non-comic readers tend not to like him, I was actually booed at one point for saying that he was my favorite X-men, with Wolverine (randomly and unconvincingly) set up as a X-men leader I can easily see Marvel watering at the mouth at the idea of putting him charge of the X-men and I can see them sacrificing Cyclops to do it even though I don't think think the entire extinction team would go with him

And yet Uncanny X-Men has outsold Wolverine and the X-Men.

WATX seems like more of a comedy book with a light hearted tone though where it's all about the students where as uncanny seems to be telling the actual stories so it's more about the purpose of the book that draws readers not just Cyke's influence

Oh definitely, but it's arguable that Cyclops' viewpoint for the X-Men is an influence in why fans are picking up the book. I had a conversation with a friend of mine about this recently, he argued that the whole purpose behind Schism was for Marvel to see where fans wanted the direction of the X-Men to go. Did they want more light-hearted action with Jason Aaron's WatXM? Or did they want more classic X-Men story-driven action with Kieron Gillen's Uncanny? Team Cyclops seems to be winning out, if only slightly. Besides, Uncanny is based ENTIRELY around Cyclops's plans for the Extinction Team, having him go villain or die seems pretty counter-productive so early on in the title.

@oviouslyjeangrey: Do you think Magneto, Scarlett Witch, or Jean Grey deserve redemption?

just curious.

(+)

@Osian2: And look where Warren sits now. Not so long after that he was good again albeit changes. As I said before, this event, it's basically Civil War 2.0. Cykes is in the position where Iron Man was. Yes things will probably be shaky afterwards but he isn't going bad and things will correct themselves eventually when all is said and done.

@BlackArmor: I can see where Cyclops doesn't sell well compared to Wolverine but the point is the X-Men are a team book. Cyclops and Emma as a couple are very popular, the whole team itself is very popular and with that team Cyclops sells well. And the separation between both teams, despite being caused by a sh*tty story, responded well and still does. The separate books are doing well and the WATXM is still going on and does have future plans to go on as well. Bringing Wolverine back to UXM defeats the purpose of it and thus most likely will not happen considering how well both books are doing with their respective cast. I know different possibilities still exist but I'm trying to gear up towards what I feel like will most likely happen.

@ApatheticAvenger: Good point buddy.

@BlackArmor said:

@ApatheticAvenger: Okay good point, I still don't trust Marvel to see Cyke as a necessary part of the X-men but I hope you guys are right about them being smart enough to not kill him

I feel like I will be, but I can't say anything is set in stone in comics. It's not like I'm playing roulette and betting on blue though.

maybe it is time for scott to change the game.... i mean when u think X-men Who are the first names that pop in your head...... Cyclops as a bad guy would be good because he has lead the x-men for so many years & to turn on them now would be good...... i mean look at his team....all former villians & or emotionally detached except for Storm.

Cyclops, Emma, Magneto, Namor, Colossus, Magik, Danger........ I See New Brotherhood Of Evil Mutants Written All Over It....... Maybe Magneto Wont Go But the idea alone is good & that would give Schism more meaning because this is its end result. Jean would return 7 she & Wolverine Will Become The Leaders Of The X-men With Storm & Maybe Magneto as Seconds In Command under Logan As Jean Becomes The Headmistress.

Maybe I should take the Fade approach to things now?

@ApatheticAvenger said:

And yet Uncanny X-Men has outsold Wolverine and the X-Men.

Because its not like everyone important in the X-Men universe is in that book. Meanwhile, WATX gets Wolverine, Iceman and... Kitty?

@god_spawn said:

Maybe I should take the Fade approach to things now?

Surprised you have't started. It much more cost-effective.

I don't see what Cyclops is doing as "bad". Just because he disagrees with the Avengers doesn't make him a villain in this story. I mean the guy is doing what he thinks is right for team. It's the same situation Iron Man was in during Civil War. It seems the preview is hinting that the X-Men will be taking the Avengers down. I more or less see this as Marvel Cleaning up an already big Avenger team and hopefully redesigning it after AvX. When it is all said and done, Cyclops will still be leading the X-Men. I don't see him being a Villain.

@cjbostick81 said:

I don't see what Cyclops is doing as "bad". Just because he disagrees with the Avengers doesn't make him a villain in this story. I mean the guy is doing what he thinks is right for team. It's the same situation Iron Man was in during Civil War. It seems the preview is hinting that the X-Men will be taking the Avengers down. I more or less see this as Marvel Cleaning up an already big Avenger team and hopefully redesigning it after AvX. When it is all said and done, Cyclops will still be leading the X-Men. I don't see him being a Villain.

Agreed.

@Osian2:

hes still saving lives even after Avx... while fighting sinster

@DATNIGGA: The heard the Sinister arc is supposed to go for another up until issue 17 as far as I know of for now and will be an AvX tie in. So it is still part of the event not after.

@god_spawn said:

@Osian2: Again, the answer is no. This event is basically Civil War + House of M in away except entirely crappy writing. Did Iron Man come across as the bad guy in that event? Yes. Did he stay a villain? No. Did people hate him for awhile after? Probably. Did it stop him from being a hero? No. It's the same thing with Cyclops. By the end of this event I predict everything will be all settled and things will go back to how they were.

Yup...that's just comics everybody. NOTHING MATTERS IN SUPERHERO COMICS!!! For better or worse, folk.

@JonesDeini: Hmm not sure which part you are agreeing with me on this? Lol. I'm guessing the last statement that everything ends up being hunky dory at the end?

I hate Marvel.......

@god_spawn: I'm agreeing with all of it, folk. You hit the nail on the head.

@JonesDeini: Thx. I try to every time.

After reading AvX 5, nothing done after that would make him a villian no matter what he does.

@Lokheit said:

After reading AvX 5, nothing done after that would make him a villian no matter what he does.

Commits massive genocide of all of Earth' inhabitants cause he wants a Mutopia?

@god_spawn said:

@Lokheit said:

After reading AvX 5, nothing done after that would make him a villian no matter what he does.

Commits massive genocide of all of Earth' inhabitants cause he wants a Mutopia?

He's now possesed. That wasn't even his voice as it coordinated with the other 4 voices. Anything he does from now is the Phoenix. If he takes the blame, then Wolverine takes the blame for every single time he has been possesed resulting in multiple assassinations. And Daredevil too for Shadowland.

Nothing he has done until now is too big to make him a villian, he didn't attack a single human except for the avengers that went to his home to claim Hope suddenly deciding they were going to manage mutants affairs when they didn't move a finger for them before.

And whatever happens now can even be atributed to the avengers for experimenting with the PF (Tony and Hank had a discussion about not knowing what would happen and comparing it to the kamikazes), resulting on it taking 5 hosts.

I think what happened was cool and unespected, but it's an obvious plot device to redeem all of them for whatever comes next, so the entire arc will have lesser repercussions because of the "was possesed" plot device that is becoming so popular.

@Lokheit: I wasn't being serious, lol.

He's possessed?

Wow.

Cyclops would not become a villain.Marvel may make stupid event and have stupid ideas but they are not that dumb.

@JonesDeini said:

@god_spawn: I'm agreeing with all of it, folk. You hit the nail on the head.

Co-signed. Also all of these discussions have been really interesting.

Cyke will be treated with an "arms length' approach

Cyclops will do a whole lot of questionable stuff and it will all be blamed on the Phoenix influence as a get out of jail free card. Just like Iron Man getting his memory regressed, neither are good reasons but the sheep will just accept it for the most part.

@Brazen_Intellect said:

Cyclops will do a whole lot of questionable stuff and it will all be blamed on the Phoenix influence as a get out of jail free card. Just like Iron Man getting his memory regressed, neither are good reasons but the sheep will just accept it for the most part.

Scapegoats ftw.

@god_spawn said:

@Brazen_Intellect said:

Cyclops will do a whole lot of questionable stuff and it will all be blamed on the Phoenix influence as a get out of jail free card. Just like Iron Man getting his memory regressed, neither are good reasons but the sheep will just accept it for the most part.

Scapegoats ftw.

QFT

Marvel doesn't have anything to gain by making him a villain.

But, hey, its Marvel. If there's one thing they're good at, its making bad business decisions.

He's in zealotry at this point IMO.

@jrock85 said:

Marvel doesn't have anything to gain by making him a villain.

But, hey, its Marvel. If there's one thing they're good at, its making bad business decisions.

At some level they must think they do