Off My Mind: Has Cyclops Saved Mutants or Doomed Them All?

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#101 Posted by irmensul (40 posts) - - Show Bio

Ha! still got Avengers X-men to read yet

#102 Edited by trutrutru (51 posts) - - Show Bio

@Outside_85 said:

@jaydee98: Actually he didn't try to do anything in regards to mutants other than sending Utopia a mile into the air, the rest of his time appeared to be spent breaking weapons, beating avengers and try to make the world a better place. As for consequences, you didn't need to be a precog to know what would eventually happen when the Phoenix around. In regards to the government; I haven't seen them park tanks within sight of either Utopia or Westchester, what Scott is doing now could very well lead to that.

umm...did we not already see the government overreacting and discriminating against mutants in All new x-men #1?.....this issue exists..despite cyclops just getting out of prison.....its just what human and mutant relations are like.....has little to do with Scott's current efforts, as it is a problem that existed before cyclops started going around recruiting.

at the very least they arent on the brink of extinction

can it get worse...very likely it will...but whats the alternative....letting humans just discriminate against mutants...to let injustices against mutants continue without standing up for them?

#103 Posted by Outside_85 (8106 posts) - - Show Bio

@trutrutru: You mean against one unknown mutant that had freaked out and trapped how many people, holding them frozen in time for several hours? How exactly do you expect a local government to react to something that could suddenly turn out to be another Magneto. While I know the problem existed covertly before Scott started, he certainly is not doing mutants any favors by running around sounding like North Korea.

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#104 Posted by Perfect 10 (971 posts) - - Show Bio

mutants were on the brink of extinction and now their not so yeah he save them. cyclops was right

#105 Posted by Kain (197 posts) - - Show Bio

@VeganDiet said:

I don't get the whole "Cyclops was Right. Cyclops saved the mutants" thing. No, he didn't. Hope did. She's the one who gave up her phoenix powers to help mutant kind. Cyclops kept his when, apparently, he could have sacrificed the power to reactivate the x-gene the world over.

Sounds a lot more like a selfish prick than a savior to me.

"Cyclops was right" is true because he said the Phoenix was there to reignite the mutant race. Nobody said he did it and he's not claiming to have been the one to have done it. He was however right about the phoenix being there to bring back mutants.

#106 Posted by trutrutru (51 posts) - - Show Bio

@Outside_85 said:

@trutrutru: You mean against one unknown mutant that had freaked out and trapped how many people, holding them frozen in time for several hours? How exactly do you expect a local government to react to something that could suddenly turn out to be another Magneto. While I know the problem existed covertly before Scott started, he certainly is not doing mutants any favors by running around sounding like North Korea.

yeah that is one of the occurrences..when the government showed up..they showed up armed and with guns pointed, looking to take someone into custody or even take them down.

Knowing damn well there are mutants popping up, most of who have no idea they have acquired powers till something like this happens.

Also, how many people got hurt? if anything, this mutant stopped a massive brawl. I would expect the local government to act according to the information they have. That there are mutants out there just randomly getting these abilities, without any real control, nor any bad intention with them. How could you have bad intentions with some power you didnt know you had till just then? see where im going with this

the approach being taken by the government is a guilty until proven otherwise approach. Its prejudice, "racists", and uncalled for. Does the government have reason to be concerned or watchful of these situations, yes. But it shouldnt get to the point where just being a mutant gets you treated like a criminal..which is exactly the state of human mutant relations before any of what Cyclop's team has done. It will certainly make things worse. But again. What is the alternative? to allow this to continue? To let the humans trounce over the rights of mutants?

#107 Posted by Outside_85 (8106 posts) - - Show Bio

@trutrutru: The solution is through diplomacy, Scott has abandoned diplomacy at this point and is out to carve out an empire for his true believers. And I might add the woman wasnt even aware of the government being outside of her time bubble, meaning they had done nothing other than secure a perimeter. And really what do you expect from the government when they don't know who or what they are dealing with.

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#108 Posted by Dernman (14726 posts) - - Show Bio
@Outside_85: You need to stop using logic. People don't like that.
#109 Posted by UltraBiel (328 posts) - - Show Bio

@Perfect 10 said:

mutants were on the brink of extinction and now their not so yeah he save them. cyclops was right

This.

#110 Edited by trutrutru (51 posts) - - Show Bio

@Outside_85 said:

@trutrutru: The solution is through diplomacy, Scott has abandoned diplomacy at this point and is out to carve out an empire for his true believers. And I might add the woman wasnt even aware of the government being outside of her time bubble, meaning they had done nothing other than secure a perimeter. And really what do you expect from the government when they don't know who or what they are dealing with.

Is it though? We have the Avengers supposedly increasing its efforts diplomatically, all the while cyclops had been locked up having not yet started on his current path. And yet still, this was the state of human and mutant relations.

carve out an empire? thats an exaggeration.

Also, since when are issues of rights resolved without some form of protest. Diplomacy is all well and good, but is hardly ever effective on its own. The fact that even with the Avenger's public stance and new team (uncanny avengers) has done nothing to improve mutant and human relations, should be testament to the ineffectiveness of diplomacy alone. Sometimes we need more than just words.

If the government did nothing but secure the perimeter it is because that's all they could do.

Nobody could get through, which is why Cyclops and team were communicating with the woman telepathically with the help of Emma Frost. You think they ONLY kept a perimeter out of good faith? no. Its because it was the most they could do in that situation.

If they dont know who or what they are dealing with, then why are they so aggressive? Especially after the bubble is down and they get in to find what? a minor brawl between a group of males? Yet here they are in force with guns drawn straight at her. Yes, a very logical response indeed.

#111 Posted by Agypt2020 (59 posts) - - Show Bio

I am ecstatic for the return of Mutant kind and leading to social acceptance in a world. What I would like to see is Mutant involvement in geopolitical affairs and new terrors to all Mankind to rely upon Mutants (Hint: take a chapter from Al Qaida).

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