Is he the ideal host of the PF? (contains Spoilers)

#1 Edited by Lokheit (492 posts) - - Show Bio

If you've read AvX 5, then you know about the 5 X-Men carrying the Phoenix with them after whatever happened when Ironman hit it. None of them would be able to host the entire PF, but apparently all of them are powerful enough to carry a part of it (the Cuckoos were able to carry it in parts after all).

One of them is Scott Summers.

During Phoenix Endsong, it was revealed that the PF wanted Jean to be with him because the energy from his optic blasts could feed the Phoenix forever.

Now Cyclops himself is hosting a portion of the Phoenix Force. Being a living battery that can keep feeding the Phoenix, would even just a fraction of it be completly invincible? No matter how much power it uses, it will never weaken because it has access to unlimited energy to keep gaining strength. In a sustained fight, would it even win against old hosts of the complete phoenix force?

I know we don't have any feedback of how strong are this new hosts (except for Cyclops getting rid of the avengers, including red hulk, with a single shot before leaving to earth), but it's still a power based on the Phoenix with access to Cyclops energy which feeds it.

PS: There is still the possibility that the writters completly forgets about this and PIS any battle involving him ¬¬

#2 Edited by God_Spawn (38243 posts) - - Show Bio
PS: There is still the possibility that the writters completly forgets about this and PIS any battle involving him ¬¬

As per this event, yeah.

Interesting analysis, but I seriously doubt much thought and research was put into this event that it would be the actual answer.

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#3 Posted by Hareil0079 (429 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lokheit said:

If you've read AvX 5, then you know about the 5 X-Men carrying the Phoenix with them after whatever happened when Ironman hit it. None of them would be able to host the entire PF, but apparently all of them are powerful enough to carry a part of it (the Cuckoos were able to carry it in parts after all).

One of them is Scott Summers.

During Phoenix Endsong, it was revealed that the PF wanted Jean to be with him because the energy from his optic blasts could feed the Phoenix forever.

Now Cyclops himself is hosting a portion of the Phoenix Force. Being a living battery that can keep feeding the Phoenix, would even just a fraction of it be completly invincible? No matter how much power it uses, it will never weaken because it has access to unlimited energy to keep gaining strength. In a sustained fight, would it even win against old hosts of the complete phoenix force?

I know we don't have any feedback of how strong are this new hosts (except for Cyclops getting rid of the avengers, including red hulk, with a single shot before leaving to earth), but it's still a power based on the Phoenix with access to Cyclops energy which feeds it.

PS: There is still the possibility that the writters completly forgets about this and PIS any battle involving him ¬¬

Yea remember that in Phoenix ES, marvel will make up some BS why he wont be able to have unlimited potential

#4 Posted by Osian2 (455 posts) - - Show Bio

Correct me if I'm wrong but if I remember correctly the only reason Scott never goes max power with his blast is because his body can't take the strain and he would die. But now that he has the phoenix (a creature of life/rebirth) it could be possible to unleash the full potential of his power i.e. Full power blasts all the time.

It will be interesting if the writers actually make use of this as we've never seen the full potential of his power so far because of his brain injury.

#5 Posted by God_Spawn (38243 posts) - - Show Bio

@Osian2: You are correct as to why he can't access his full power. He has an entire universe of his optic energy and he can't expel it all at once is due to physical limitations. He has almost killed himself on 2 occasions that I know of cause of it.

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#6 Posted by Osian2 (455 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn: Civil was the last time I remember him going full power and he destroyed a bunker door that was strong enough to survive a nuke so who knows what his power level will be now that he's merged with phoenix.

#7 Edited by BlackArmor (6149 posts) - - Show Bio

Interesting point, 20 bucks says Bendis isn't aware of this

#8 Posted by God_Spawn (38243 posts) - - Show Bio

@Osian2: IIRC that was one of the times he was close to killing himself there. Another was way back in the day when he blasted through a mountain and he didn't just knock himself unconscious, his brain shut itself down.

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#9 Posted by Hareil0079 (429 posts) - - Show Bio

@Osian2 said:

@god_spawn: Civil was the last time I remember him going full power and he destroyed a bunker door that was strong enough to survive a nuke so who knows what his power level will be now that he's merged with phoenix.

He almost killed bishop in the process. Yet his optic blasts couldn't put a dent in tony's bunker

#10 Posted by God_Spawn (38243 posts) - - Show Bio

@Hareil0079 said:

@Osian2 said:

@god_spawn: Civil was the last time I remember him going full power and he destroyed a bunker door that was strong enough to survive a nuke so who knows what his power level will be now that he's merged with phoenix.

He almost killed bishop in the process. Yet his optic blasts couldn't put a dent in tony's bunker

What issue was it again? I want to check it out again myself.

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#11 Posted by Gambit1024 (9890 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought only Omega-mutants can only host the whole Phoenix Force.

#12 Posted by Kallarkz (3303 posts) - - Show Bio

@Hareil0079 said:

@Osian2 said:

@god_spawn: Civil was the last time I remember him going full power and he destroyed a bunker door that was strong enough to survive a nuke so who knows what his power level will be now that he's merged with phoenix.

He almost killed bishop in the process. Yet his optic blasts couldn't put a dent in tony's bunker

No he did not. Bishop was caught by surprise with his max and was only struggling to contain it because he didn't want to kill the people in the nearby area.

He could have easily dealt with the power but unleashing it would have caused destruction for miles and killed nearby team mates so he sent it in space.

#13 Posted by Mercy_ (92997 posts) - - Show Bio

This is just such bull. I can't even...ugh.

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#14 Posted by Mercy_ (92997 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn said:

@Hareil0079 said:

@Osian2 said:

@god_spawn: Civil was the last time I remember him going full power and he destroyed a bunker door that was strong enough to survive a nuke so who knows what his power level will be now that he's merged with phoenix.

He almost killed bishop in the process. Yet his optic blasts couldn't put a dent in tony's bunker

What issue was it again? I want to check it out again myself.

Civil War: X-Men. Issue 3 or 4 if I'm not mistaken.

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#15 Posted by God_Spawn (38243 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mercy_: Thanks, love.

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#16 Posted by Mercy_ (92997 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn: Checking now.

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#17 Posted by Mercy_ (92997 posts) - - Show Bio
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#18 Posted by Kallarkz (3303 posts) - - Show Bio

"Can't contain it"

Bishops body does have limits to what he can contain but he was going through so much because he was trying to hold it all in.

#19 Posted by God_Spawn (38243 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mercy_: Sweet.

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#20 Posted by Mercy_ (92997 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kallarkz said:

"Can't contain it"

Bishops body does have limits to what he can contain but he was going through so much because he was trying to hold it all in.

I think the point being made is that he wasn't able to process/handle it. He had to release it.

@god_spawn said:

@Mercy_: Sweet.

It also stands to mention that Cyke was being mind-controlled.

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#21 Posted by God_Spawn (38243 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mercy_: I remember that. It's been sometime since I read the issue though.

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#22 Posted by Kallarkz (3303 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mercy_ said:

@Kallarkz said:

"Can't contain it"

Bishops body does have limits to what he can contain but he was going through so much because he was trying to hold it all in.

I understand.

No he couldn't contain it forever but he was able to for a period of time.

But I don't want to start splitting hairs.

#23 Posted by Blood1991 (8098 posts) - - Show Bio

I do enjoy the Irony of Scott and Emma being PF'd out, but choosing heroes to be evil vessels was kinda used like four months ago.....

#24 Posted by XsPectre28 (736 posts) - - Show Bio

@Gambit1024 said:

I thought only Omega-mutants can only host the whole Phoenix Force.

glad someone else remembered this key fact....... despite colossus having juggernaut powers he isnt omega level, nor is magik, namor, or cyclops for that matter but they only wield shards of the phoenix as the the 3 in 1 aren't omega level either but i guess the split into 3 made it alil easier to wield. JUST BRING JEAN GREY BACK

#25 Posted by Osian2 (455 posts) - - Show Bio

@XsPectre28 said:

@Gambit1024 said:

I thought only Omega-mutants can only host the whole Phoenix Force.

glad someone else remembered this key fact....... despite colossus having juggernaut powers he isnt omega level, nor is magik, namor, or cyclops for that matter but they only wield shards of the phoenix as the the 3 in 1 aren't omega level either but i guess the split into 3 made it alil easier to wield. JUST BRING JEAN GREY BACK

I always hated the idea of "Omega" and "Alpha" mutants I mean what's to say that an alpha mutants power can't evolve into omega level? Also out of the billions of mutants that used to exist only a few of them were omega level and even then it's not as if they were that powerful anyway. I don't think you have to be an omega level mutant to harness the phoenix force anyway because their have been hundreds of host who were aliens and I doubt everyone was amutant and an omega level at that.

#26 Posted by One_Eye (783 posts) - - Show Bio

@Osian2 said:

@XsPectre28 said:

@Gambit1024 said:

I thought only Omega-mutants can only host the whole Phoenix Force.

glad someone else remembered this key fact....... despite colossus having juggernaut powers he isnt omega level, nor is magik, namor, or cyclops for that matter but they only wield shards of the phoenix as the the 3 in 1 aren't omega level either but i guess the split into 3 made it alil easier to wield. JUST BRING JEAN GREY BACK

I always hated the idea of "Omega" and "Alpha" mutants I mean what's to say that an alpha mutants power can't evolve into omega level? Also out of the billions of mutants that used to exist only a few of them were omega level and even then it's not as if they were that powerful anyway. I don't think you have to be an omega level mutant to harness the phoenix force anyway because their have been hundreds of host who were aliens and I doubt everyone was amutant and an omega level at that.

@XsPectre28: @Osian2: I agree. "Omega Level" to me has always amounted to mutants being delegated to plot-devices. Even Storm who possess "Omega Level Potential" has suffered, Bobby Drake is getting moderate exposure, and Jean is used to troll the fan-base at best. Honestly, power-levels, power-readings, and multiple transformations, power-levels that feature the Greek alphabet, and such remind me of too many shonen-themed animes and manga. They just need to go away.

#27 Posted by Osian2 (455 posts) - - Show Bio

Just found these images where Scott became the Phoenix host during the teen titans crossover.

#28 Posted by Hareil0079 (429 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mercy_ said:

Thank you for posting that, I got into a debate not to long ago and you ended up proving my point

#29 Posted by PowerHerc (85153 posts) - - Show Bio

No, he's not.

#30 Edited by God_Spawn (38243 posts) - - Show Bio

@lykopis:

I remember all of this too -- plus, there was one time that Cyclops stated he could blast through a planet....don't ask me for the issue, I can't remember, but it was in the older titles.

I believe it was during his solo series in 2001 and it was when he was attacking the Juggernaut and BT Cassidy. It was definitely hyperbole on Scott's part, kind of like Sentry and his million suns. Scott doesn't have the showings back then or even now for that statement to be true.

Logically, he shouldn't need his visor anymore but don't forget who is writing this. =/

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#31 Posted by God_Spawn (38243 posts) - - Show Bio

@lykopis: He's not going to be killed off. Too illogical. Marvel can make pretty stupid events, but when turning away as much money Cyclops, Emma as a couple and the team in total makes as a whole would be stupid. Marvel may kill of some characters, but not the major ones where it makes a difference. Like Black Goliath in Civil War. Nightcrawler and Cable in Second Coming. Sure they were popular but not influential. Bucky "died" in Fear Itself but only so Cap could get his mantle back and Bucky was fine a few issues later. Thor died in Fear Itself but he was still in the running of his own title, he was gone for only a few issues. Hence why I don't see Cykes being killed off, Emma and him splitting especially for someone like Namor, or them turning the X-Men evil as so many have predicted or have been wondering with this event. Marvel may be stupid with events, but as a business, they are not. If they were, AvX wouldn't be grossing more than Civil War.

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#32 Posted by MarvelGrey (243 posts) - - Show Bio

I hope they actually do something with Illyana after this event because she hasn't done anything memorable in the last few years. As for a death in this AVX event It very well may be Hank Pym, or Scarlet Witch (hopefully). As for all of them holding the Phoenix force they were all the strongest on he moon at that moment. Emma is one of the strongest telepaths at this moment. Scott still has the void so it could be potential energy there. Colossus the bearer of the Cyttorak ruby. Magik use to be Darkchilde (how i miss that) and Namor has arrogance that defeats Doom's.

#33 Posted by Brazen_Intellect (1144 posts) - - Show Bio

Now that the Phoenix has created it's own set of Power Rangers...

No, Cyclops is not the ideal host for the Phoenix, neither are any of the others that were chosen as hosts. I'm sure some kind of half-ass reason as to why they were chosen will be provided, and I fully expect to be disappointed in it

#34 Posted by x_29 (2274 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mercy_: It will all be over soon

#35 Posted by HopesummersFORtheFUTURE (3872 posts) - - Show Bio

@Gambit1024: that is supposedly true but i guess marvel can rewrite history all they want

#36 Posted by rpgr (331 posts) - - Show Bio

Why does everyone say they were chosen? They were substitutes to Hope and her peeps.

#37 Posted by ARIARAIDEN (2 posts) - - Show Bio

Imo he seems to be the most suitable host of the PF.

#38 Posted by vernierhawk001 (539 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow. I'm so far out of the loop (been on a bit of a DC kick). Cyke has Phoenix Force powers now?

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