In The Wake Of A Vs X Is Cyclops More Or Less Popular?

#1 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33902 posts) - - Show Bio


#2 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio

Cyclops was right. Isn't something Marvel came up with, it's people who were fans of his character started yelling.

Unfortunately, I think Cyclops has gotten more popular because Wolverine has betrayed his original concept to such a degree.

#3 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33902 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheCrowbar: Why is that unfortunate?

#4 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jonny_Anonymous: Because it's character development at the cost of another character.

#5 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33902 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheCrowbar: Not really, it's not like Marvel decided to screw Wolverine over to make Cyk look better, it was going to happen ether way.

#6 Posted by Manbehindthewires (344 posts) - - Show Bio

It was a necessary reminder of how powerful Cyclops is. He's rarely considered someone's favorite character, let alone favorite X, but in actual fact, he's one of the deadliest and most important. I hope the writer's don't let him down in this aftermath; he's got the potential to start a whole new event-sized revolution.

#7 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jonny_Anonymous: I don't think anyone in Marvel went "Hey lets cut into Wolverine to make Cyclops look cooler" I think it was more of a reaction to Wolverine becoming less and less what he's loved for and more and more like what he used to rebel against.

#8 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33902 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheCrowbar: that's true

#9 Edited by Rabbitearsblog (5947 posts) - - Show Bio

I think that Wolverine and Cyclops are switching roles with Wolverine being the one who follows Xavier's dream and Cyclops being the lone rebel, the lone rebel quality that made Wolverine famous in the first place...

#10 Posted by The_House_of_L (906 posts) - - Show Bio

Its a flashburn. Without Emma he'll soon fade.

#11 Edited by Jonny_Anonymous (33902 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mr_LeBeau: Emma is still on his side, I doubt them not dating will affect his popularity

#12 Posted by The_House_of_L (906 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@Mr_LeBeau: Emma is still on his side, I doubt them not dating will affect his popularity

It already did once. Its the entire reason Marvel put them together in the first place. He's popular now cause the bulk of the Xverse revolves around him. Once the storyline finishes he's popularity will fade and they'll stick him in another relationship.
#13 Posted by x_29 (2274 posts) - - Show Bio

Absolutely. I do not like this current direction for him or Wolverine, but it has gotten new readers to take notice.

#14 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (5947 posts) - - Show Bio

@x_29 said:

Absolutely. I do not like this current direction for him or Wolverine, but it has gotten new readers to take notice.

I agree. I felt this new direction for both of them was too forced, but many fans are starting to take notice of Cyclops lately. I wonder what will become of Wolverine once he keeps going this new direction.

#15 Posted by Gambit1024 (9890 posts) - - Show Bio

In my opinion, the entire X-Universe has gotten more and more unlikable. AvX was just the nail in the coffin.

There are maybe... five X-Men that I still like, and at least one of them is dead.

And regarding Cyclops, yes, the direction he's going is certainly one that I can't stand. And that's terrible, because he was probably my favorite X-Man.

#16 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (5947 posts) - - Show Bio

@Gambit1024 said:

In my opinion, the entire X-Universe has gotten more and more unlikable. AvX was just the nail in the coffin.

There are maybe... five X-Men that I still like, and at least one of them is dead.

And regarding Cyclops, yes, the direction he's going is certainly one that I can't stand. And that's terrible, because he was probably my favorite X-Man.

I agree with this.

#17 Posted by danhimself (22626 posts) - - Show Bio

I think he's a far more interesting character than before....before I always thought of him as pretty one dimensional and bland...now I'm interested in seeing where his story is going

#18 Posted by Imperfect (22 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mr_LeBeau: I don't think so, Emma and Scott will be together again but it will take a while.

#19 Posted by The_House_of_L (906 posts) - - Show Bio

@Imperfect said:

@Mr_LeBeau: I don't think so, Emma and Scott will be together again but it will take a while.

Wouldnt mind seeing that at all.

#21 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

He's more popular now, because he's a different character altogether. Cyclops was always a very subtle character, which came off as boring to many. And that was fine, him not being everyone's cup of tea was part of his charm. He used to be Taxi Driver. While loved fiercely by quite a few, he fell into relative obscurity next to many of his colleagues, as they were more flashy; more appealing to a wider audience. 
 
 Now he's just another dime-a-dozen extremist/anti-villain. He's become Avatar. He's flashy, he's "cool", he's very contemporary, but he's the same as a million other things. Behind the explosions, behind the hip new attitude, he's just another bad guy. 
 
There is nothing unique about him any more. He's not Cyclops. Cyclops died around the time of Second Coming, or Schism if I'm being very lenient. 

#22 Posted by chasereis (794 posts) - - Show Bio

@ApatheticAvenger: Not sure I would venture to say exactly "than he's ever been", but I do agree that he is a compelling character and always had been. It pained me to see him so underdeveloped, overexposed and mishandled from Seagle to Fraction. In a way Cyclops I think would be difficult to write, but that is no excuse for the blatant lack of effort on the writers part.

#23 Posted by chocobojam (288 posts) - - Show Bio

I think that there is more fans of cyclops now because im definitely one of them!!

#24 Posted by One_Eye (783 posts) - - Show Bio

@ApatheticAvenger said:

More, because he's a more compelling character than he's ever been (and I've always found him compelling, even when others considered him boring).

@danhimself: @TheCrowbar: @Jonny_Anonymous: Same here. If nothing else Cyclops development has been the most organic((if not in consistent at times...)) out of the X-cast. I understand that Wolverine had a change of heart over the course of X-Force however, it seems that readers paid more attention to UXM even more so.

I'm interested in Scotts' new direction as well, however, I simply wish that Kieron Gillen could have stayed on as he had the best grasp on X-tinction Team.

#25 Posted by lykopis (10746 posts) - - Show Bio

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

He's more popular now, because he's a different character altogether. Cyclops was always a very subtle character, which came off as boring to many. And that was fine, him not being everyone's cup of tea was part of his charm. He used to be Taxi Driver. While loved fiercely by quite a few, he fell into relative obscurity next to many of his colleagues, as they were more flashy; more appealing to a wider audience. Now he's just another dime-a-dozen extremist/anti-villain. He's become Avatar. He's flashy, he's "cool", he's very contemporary, but he's the same as a million other things. Behind the explosions, behind the hip new attitude, he's just another bad guy. There is nothing unique about him any more. He's not Cyclops. Cyclops died around the time of Second Coming, or Schism if I'm being very lenient.

Perfect.

#26 Posted by boob (366 posts) - - Show Bio

He has finally stepped out of Jean's and the Professor's shadow. I along with many people hate what happened to him, even those who had a deep hatred of the guy.  And its those same people who are stepping up for him and calling the Avengers out (even their die hard fans).  After everything that has happened to him since he first came into existence. It is natural that he says this way is not working, time for a new road. And because he is not being a good little boy he is being labeled a bad guy. He will come out of this but he can not and will not be the same. And because of this long awaited growth I am glad of AvX, and this is the ONLY reason.

#27 Posted by TDK_1997 (14985 posts) - - Show Bio

I think that right now he is going down.He is becoming less popular in my opinion.

#28 Posted by Teerack (7066 posts) - - Show Bio
#29 Posted by Postacrat (499 posts) - - Show Bio

I didn't like cyclops at all because I always favored Logan, now I'm liking cyclops as a character much more now and I'm liking Logan a lot less. I simply can't understand Wolverine anymore, I mean his character is all over the emotional spectrum. One minute he's a feral, vengeful, remorseful, super mutant killing jerk with some honor and the next he's a righteous, teacher, father figure and an activists in mutant interests? I've never felt a strong connection with wolverine and the Mutant race as a whole, so why now is he so interested in what's best for mutant kind?

Perhaps if these changes were implemented to his character in small doses, and in a more calculative fashion and paralleled with instances that made more sense it would be an easier pill to swallow. However right now I honestly cannot stand by wolverine because I really don't know if I like his character anymore, I can't relate to his anger towards Scott at all. In fact I think the rivalry between them two is getting a little old. Jean is dead and has been dead for years, when is wolverine going to stop acting like a love sick puppy about it?

Now Wolverine in X-Force that's what I like, that wolverine is more of a bad-a** and less or a duche, I'm starting to feel like he doesn't even fit with the X-men anymore and Scott still does.

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