Do you think cyclops needs an upgrade

#1 Posted by lade (3 posts) - - Show Bio

Since his introduction, cyclops is the only mutant I can think of that hasn't undergone any significant growth of expansion in mutant ability or a lack of variance in what his powers can offer him, though with him finally gaining control of his mutant ability that may change.I have several theories on possible expansions in power if not versatility for him.

-he gains control of his apertures(his true power, to explore a possible connection he has to the universe he derives his energy blasts from)

-explore how his body metabolizes energy

-shift the point of manifestation of the blasts to his hands or other parts of his body.

These are just suggestions, what do you think?


Post Edited:2008-01-15 09:16:43

#2 Posted by Alpha (7311 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree he's been the same since he 1st appeared.

#3 Posted by speedlgt (2109 posts) - - Show Bio

hes been the same because really what can you do with him? he shoots blasts from his eyes! thats his power thats his gimmick. If you give him anything else thats just kinda of silly at this point. and do we really need an other hero that can shoot blasts out of there hands? look his character is this

muant who shoot powerful blasts through his eyes, strong leader, the only true X_MEN field commander, good fighting skills.

now you could maybe give some gadgets or implants or make him a better fighter but reall all of those are not needed

#4 Posted by Mighty Magneto (13027 posts) - - Show Bio

The man needs something not sure what

Bloody Bastard got Emma Frost

#5 Posted by Lord Blackbolt (115 posts) - - Show Bio

i don't know how you could change him. maybe that's why he never got an up-grade since his first appearance. i think the best thing they could do now is kill him. maybe then he will come back like Jean(over and over again) and gain some new powers.

#6 Posted by Mighty Magneto (13027 posts) - - Show Bio

I do like the killing him idea just not bring him back to life

#7 Posted by speedlgt (2109 posts) - - Show Bio

dude! I got it!

cy and havok should be like fused together like DBZ style but ya know in a non geek comic book story. it would explain why there blasts dont hurt eachother and then you get a new powerhouse to lead the xmen who can do all kinda of blasts, beat the HULK, and sleep with the hottest marvel chicks.

and his name is.....cycvok! king of muatants

#8 Posted by Lord Blackbolt (115 posts) - - Show Bio

Mighty Magneto says:

"I do like the killing him idea just not bring him back to life"

yeah i can live with him just staying dead but you know that's not what marvel would do.

#9 Posted by Lord Blackbolt (115 posts) - - Show Bio

speedlgt says:

"dude! I got it! cy and havok should be like fused together like DBZ style but ya know in a non geek comic book story. it would explain why there blasts dont hurt eachother and then you get a new powerhouse to lead the xmen who can do all kinda of blasts, beat the HULK, and sleep with the hottest marvel chicks. and his name is.....cycvok! king of muatants"

are you kidding, that sounds like some stupid SH!T Joe Q would do.

#10 Posted by speedlgt (2109 posts) - - Show Bio

well yeah! but its not that far out there remember the "supersolider" and "dark claw"

give it a shot if its written well who knows.

#11 Posted by Phorqe (2109 posts) - - Show Bio

It will probably never happen, but he should become a horseman of Apocalypse. He'll be a foot taller, stronger, more durable and have tendrils that come out of his shoulders. He defeats the X-men single handedly and forces them to relocate.

#12 Posted by Kraven (517 posts) - - Show Bio

speedlgt says:

"hes been the same because really what can you do with him? he shoots blasts from his eyes! thats his power thats his gimmick. If you give him anything else thats just kinda of silly at this point. and do we really need an other hero that can shoot blasts out of there hands? look his character is this muant who shoot powerful blasts through his eyes, strong leader, the only true X_MEN field commander, good fighting skills."

I agree. You can't make Cyc shoot from his hands, that's Havoc's thing.

I don't think he needs any gadgets or increased fighting skills. There's already too many gadget wielders & martial artists out there.

I've thought before that they could stand to change the look of his visor but the problem is that it's his namesake so you can't really mess with it.

Cyclops appeal comes from his character relation to the rest of the team, not his powers. Cyclops character provides for a lot of character driven conflict that improves the story of X-Men overall. ie: Romantic involvements with Emma & Jean, personality & 'Jean' conflicts with Wolverine, questions of leadership between him and the Professor, anything to do with Havoc or Vulcan...

These are the things that make Cyclops an essential element to X-Men, even though his abilities sometimes seem lame.

#13 Posted by Sling Shot (3560 posts) - - Show Bio

Cyke's upgrade needs to be the writing that depicts him. Joss whedon has given that upgrade in astonishing, noe if other writer's would do the same Cyke would be straight.

#14 Posted by fesak (6994 posts) - - Show Bio

Make him red. And angry.

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#15 Posted by Buckshot (18871 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think he needs a power upgrade, just to be portrayed how he is in Astonishing everywhere else. If anything remotely powers related should be increased I think it should be his tactical abilities, but that's more of a skill. Even then though I wouldn't like some Midnighter-esque garbage, just more obvious use of how smart he already is.

Sling Shot says:

"Cyke's upgrade needs to be the writing that depicts him. Joss whedon has given that upgrade in astonishing, noe if other writer's would do the same Cyke would be straight."

I agree with that fully.

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#16 Posted by Forever (4332 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree.

#17 Posted by lade (3 posts) - - Show Bio

I was always of the opinion , that he should develop a non-offensive ability such as flight to balance out his powerful offensive abilities or increased physical ability even is not a progression in power.

While he has one of the most powerful weapons among the x-men his lack of defensive/mobility powers to increase survival at the very least boost his ability to absorb ambient energy.
Post Edited:2008-01-16 11:57:17

#18 Posted by Owen_Porter (83291 posts) - - Show Bio

Buckshot has a point. Batman is known for his tactical and strategical genius, I think the writers should approach Cyclops the same way. He's only the leader of one of the greatest teams ever in comics, he should be portrayed as such.

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#19 Posted by Doomhunter (289 posts) - - Show Bio

Gambler says:

"Buckshot has a point. Batman is known for his tactical and strategical genius, I think the writers should approach Cyclops the same way. He's only the leader of one of the greatest teams ever in comics, he should be portrayed as such."

I agree....he ain't respected...

#20 Posted by The_Martian (36980 posts) - - Show Bio

Didn't his visor change so he doesn't have to push a button but opens on mental command? Thats an upgrade.

#21 Posted by vegeta (4901 posts) - - Show Bio

dead

#22 Posted by Dormath (2398 posts) - - Show Bio

I would expect him by now to be able to control his blast on his own no visor needed so his eyes could return to normal or somthing like that.

#23 Posted by Dormath (2398 posts) - - Show Bio

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#24 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - - Show Bio

Him as a character needs to be upgraded. He seems very boring as a character. Nice power, but boring character.

#25 Posted by Unbelonger (2770 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, in my opinion they shouldn't do that. The visor is quite the only "unique" thing he physically has, if you take that away he would look plain.

zzzzzzzzzz

#26 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - - Show Bio

Unbelonger says:

"Well, in my opinion they shouldn't do that. The visor is quite the only "unique" thing he physically has, if you take that away he would look plain.zzzzzzzzzz "

Cyclops with out his visor would make him even more boring.

#27 Posted by warlord1234 (1215 posts) - - Show Bio

I think they should take his leadership and tactical skills to a whole new level.

#28 Posted by elevatorparty (103 posts) - - Show Bio

I think he should start collecting the gadgets that we've seen the X-men use and show us that he can use them in a tactical manner.  
Imagine Bastion attacking the X-men and out runs wolverine, so Bastion changes his defenses to deal with wolverine but suddenly wolvie hits him with an optic blast to reveal its Cyclops using an image inducer.   
And I think he should start wearing Magneto's helmet or redesigning it to match his costume should he ever need to fight a telepath.  
I think with a friend like Forge he could definitely have a few secret gadgets.  
he could carry a mobile version of the danger room with him so that he can change the landscape of the battlefield to suit him. Or to create illusions that distract his enemies.
 
If you want to upgrade his power just start using different colours for his optic blasts and have them have a different effect. Actually scrap that - it sounds like something Hal Jordan would do.   
 
My favourite Cyclops scene is when Morrison had him threaten a student with a broken leg, the student didnt back down so Cycke just nails him. He needs to be portrayed as a guy that can beat most people just by looking at them. Instead on most occassions we see him fire off a blast at someone and it barely stuns them but they are ok, and then i dunno - rogue finishes the job or something and cyclops looks sh!t. 
 
I think from reading everyone's comments the most important thing to do is to remind readers that Cyclops is like Captain America - his main super power is leading people and behaving tactically and carrying that weight of responsibility that isolates him from almost everyone. 

#29 Posted by warlord1234 (1215 posts) - - Show Bio
@elevatorparty said:
"I think he should start collecting the gadgets that we've seen the X-men use and show us that he can use them in a tactical manner.  Imagine Bastion attacking the X-men and out runs wolverine, so Bastion changes his defenses to deal with wolverine but suddenly wolvie hits him with an optic blast to reveal its Cyclops using an image inducer.   And I think he should start wearing Magneto's helmet or redesigning it to match his costume should he ever need to fight a telepath.  I think with a friend like Forge he could definitely have a few secret gadgets.  he could carry a mobile version of the danger room with him so that he can change the landscape of the battlefield to suit him. Or to create illusions that distract his enemies. If you want to upgrade his power just start using different colours for his optic blasts and have them have a different effect. Actually scrap that - it sounds like something Hal Jordan would do.    My favourite Cyclops scene is when Morrison had him threaten a student with a broken leg, the student didnt back down so Cycke just nails him. He needs to be portrayed as a guy that can beat most people just by looking at them. Instead on most occassions we see him fire off a blast at someone and it barely stuns them but they are ok, and then i dunno - rogue finishes the job or something and cyclops looks sh!t.  I think from reading everyone's comments the most important thing to do is to remind readers that Cyclops is like Captain America - his main super power is leading people and behaving tactically and carrying that weight of responsibility that isolates him from almost everyone.  "

His tactical skills should be on Captain America level if not then greater because he has near superhuman spatial awareness
#30 Posted by elevatorparty (103 posts) - - Show Bio
@warlord1234: i agree. although how spatial awareness would help you as a leader is beyond me. 
#31 Posted by warlord1234 (1215 posts) - - Show Bio
@elevatorparty said:
" @warlord1234: i agree. although how spatial awareness would help you as a leader is beyond me.  "
I did not not mention that his spatial awareness would increse leadership skills i said that it would increase his tactica; skills. He should be able to see estimate what his foe are going to do.
#32 Posted by WoundingFactor (178 posts) - - Show Bio

 I think the best way to upgrade him would be to either give him back that control over his blasts emanating or not that he had briefly in Astonishing X-men on Breakworld, or maybe some genuinely better control and focusing of his blasts. Yes, we've seen him create thin beams, wide cones, and lots of stuff in between, but through it all, he's basically Captain Collateral Damage. I'd like to see Cyclops conquer one of the things he's always feared about his power: its destructive potential. Suppose he's got a field of enemies surrounding one of his students. The Cyclops we know can't just let loose and clobber them all without risking said student's safety, but what if he could focus  his blasts more carefully to create an arching effect that would leave a hole in the blast? I mean, the blast comes from both his eyes, right? So maybe it's time he was able to create a blindspot of sorts when emanating his blasts.

#33 Posted by DATNIGGA (1185 posts) - - Show Bio

@lade said:

Since his introduction, cyclops is the only mutant I can think of that hasn't undergone any significant growth of expansion in mutant ability or a lack of variance in what his powers can offer him, though with him finally gaining control of his mutant ability that may change.I have several theories on possible expansions in power if not versatility for him.

-he gains control of his apertures(his true power, to explore a possible connection he has to the universe he derives his energy blasts from)

-explore how his body metabolizes energy

-shift the point of manifestation of the blasts to his hands or other parts of his body.

These are just suggestions, what do you think?

Post Edited:2008-01-15 09:16:43

they recently upgraded him

#34 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio

@DATNIGGA: what is that from? And what's the upgrade I can't tell.

#35 Posted by NazarethSavage (198 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheCrowbar said:

@DATNIGGA: what is that from? And what's the upgrade I can't tell.

Same here..I have no clue what's going on in that scan.
#36 Edited by DATNIGGA (1185 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheCrowbar said:

@DATNIGGA: what is that from? And what's the upgrade I can't tell.

@NazarethSavage said:

@TheCrowbar said:

@DATNIGGA: what is that from? And what's the upgrade I can't tell.

Same here..I have no clue what's going on in that scan.

Its From all new x men 3 thats coming out next week

http://i.newsarama.com/images/anxmen2012003_int_lr_0005.jpg

thats the full pic not cropped

basically from what I can tell is cyke's blasts are alot stronger now hes having difficulty controlling them

but if you notice he can now surround himself with the beams sort of like a shield so this upgrade gives him defensive properties

there might be more to this but.. we have to wait & see how his powers turn out

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