hes fine the way he is

I could see him using a different wavelength of optic blast, that could be interesting.

"

maybe not without his visor  
but if could change the type of beam emitted  he could be so much more powerful...

maybe enable him to temporalily increase the intensity of the blast, putting in 110% you could say 
and then have a drain,which would also enable to see without his visor for a short period

"

Something I don't get... Some people post scans that Cyclops Optic blast travel at the speed of light... If that's true... Then shouldn't it be like a FTL punch by the Flash and destroy everything in the way?

" Something I don't get... Some people post scans that Cyclops Optic blast travel at the speed of light... If that's true... Then shouldn't it be like a FTL punch by the Flash and destroy everything in the way? "

" @Lupine:  " If the Flash is punching you, then he's moving and reacting at the speed of light or even faster given that he's the freaking Flash. Moving and reacting at high speed. Meanwhile Cyclops's blast is a projectile and when it's fired you have a pretty good idea of how or where it's aimed. Or at least you do so long as you can somewhat predict the strategy that's in Scotts mind at the moment or (debatably fast enough to dodge). Besides it's been argued before that the blasts aren't light speed and also argued that they are; again while I've followed the character, I've never gotten into those kinds of details before coming to the vine, so I can't say one way or another and I never argue the speed of the blasts. "  I wasn't talking about the ability to dodge a punch from the Flash, or a shot that can be anticipated from Cyclops. I was talking about the destructive force itself when getting hit by something that is moving at light speed.  "

" @Tian:  interesting. and that being light speed moving kinetic force, it should act somewhat like a friction drill.  * noting at this thread, while Cykes optic beams contain no heat, he can use them to create it. another thing alot of writers dont acknowledge. alot of times when something is struck for nay duration by his beams, or by ones used by say Mimic, theres smoke coming off from friction burn. "

Cyclops does need secondary powers but they need to be like angel's and iceman's subtle but helpful not like jean's and beast's really really obvious and completly style changing it needs to be something hes constantly doing or can do without drawing to much extra attention it definitly shouldnt really effect how he physically looks it needs to be the kinda thing he can use at any given time for phenominal effect but doesnt draw negative feedback for completely changing the charecter like beast catform does. Heat beams fit the bill but since he can already kinda do that it seems like a waste (Foarce aka his beams + Friction aka rubbing against the target = Heat) I wouldnt hate him getting heat beams but i think it should have more to do with the psionic feild surrounding his body mabey it gives him limitted invulnrability mabey it gives enhanced strength but as long as it doesnt glow red i like it

I think his beams should just get more concussive force.  Or maybe a different kind of beam...

His secondary mutation is making hot, telepathic chicks fall in love with him. ;)

The individual powers of the Summers brothers are too similar, for the writers to allow Scott to develop his mutation.

@The Dark Huntress said:

@royale_with_cheese said:

The individual powers of the Summers brothers are too similar, for the writers to allow Scott to develop his mutation.

What do you mean too similar? Other than them each manipulating energy in some degree, there's not an overt amount of similarity. They all manifest it in different ways and all have different control issues with it (other than Vulcan, who is ridiculously OP).

That's exactly what I mean. At some point or another, all three Summers will be shooting the same type of energy from all over their body. Hell, they'll probably end up being able to siphon cosmic energy (if Vulcan and Havok haven't already been able to).

Does anybody know when the source of Scott's powers was changed from sunlight to energies from another dimension?

@The Dark Huntress said:

@royale_with_cheese said:

The individual powers of the Summers brothers are too similar, for the writers to allow Scott to develop his mutation.

What do you mean too similar? Other than them each manipulating energy in some degree, there's not an overt amount of similarity. They all manifest it in different ways and all have different control issues with it (other than Vulcan, who is ridiculously OP).

This. Energy manipulation is just a general term and they are family meaning their mutations should more than likely be similar despite being fairly different. They all have different applications with their abilities despite sharing a projection ability. It's like saying Karate Kid, Deadpool and Stephanie Brown are too similar in martial arts just because they can all throw a punch.

@god_spawn said:

@The Dark Huntress said:

@royale_with_cheese said:

The individual powers of the Summers brothers are too similar, for the writers to allow Scott to develop his mutation.

What do you mean too similar? Other than them each manipulating energy in some degree, there's not an overt amount of similarity. They all manifest it in different ways and all have different control issues with it (other than Vulcan, who is ridiculously OP).

This. Energy manipulation is just a general term and they are family meaning their mutations should more than likely be similar despite being fairly different. They all have different applications with their abilities despite sharing a projection ability. It's like saying Karate Kid, Deadpool and Stephanie Brown are too similar in martial arts just because they can all throw a punch.

Yeah, but Karate Kid, Deadpool and Stephanie Brown have no relations to each other whatsoever, whereas Scott, Alex and Gabriel are brothers. Plus, martial arts is a skill that can be learned, whereas energy projection is a power. I just don't want them to end up like Wolverine, Daken and X-23 you know?

@royale_with_cheese: I see your point, but I think your whole argument is based off a general ability they share in energy projection. They have far different applications with their powers.

Cyclops: Extradimensional optic blasts from his eyes, no heat, concussive force and ricochet shots and spatial awareness if you count it as a power. Cyclops' powers in a nutshell. Also immune to his own and Havok;s blasts but not Vulcan.

Havok: Ambient cosmic energy conversion to the point he can sundip so to speak. Heated plasma blasts with varying effects depending on his level used such as concussion from air molecule displacement, disintegration, explode etc that can be expelled from any direction of his body, ability to propel himself, minor forcefields IIRC. Immune to Cyclops' blasts but not Vulcan's.

Vulcan: Energy absorption from almost any source, energy manipulation, flight, power suppression, forcefields and Vulcan had a lot of uses.

Now lets look at the Wolverine family.

Wolverine: Enhanced stats+senses, healing, claws MA ability.

X-23: Enhanced stats+ senses, healing, claws, MA ability.

Daken: Enhanced stats+ senses, healing, claws, MA ability, pheromones.

Sooo the Summers brothers have the same basis in their abilities because they are family but have different types of energy, have for the majority, different applications with their powers, have different extremes to their powers and they are too similar? So you compare them to the Wolverine family who are basically the same in every way save for Daken who has pheromones? That is one difference apart from the others. Cyclops does none of the thinks Havok or Vulcan except shoot a type of energy, Havok can't fly, can't suppress mutant powers, can't absorb the energies to the degree Vulcan can, and can project only minor heated force fields if I'm not mistaken. They are only similar in a very general sense vs Wolverine's family who is similar in a very specific sense.

@jrock85 said:

Does anybody know when the source of Scott's powers was changed from sunlight to energies from another dimension?

I guess not.

@jrock85: Send a message to ApethicAvenger, FadetoBlackbolt, or Ferro Vida. Those are the 3 other guys off the top of my head cause idk the answer off the top of my head.

@god_spawn: I figured you'd know the answer too.

@god_spawn said:

@royale_with_cheese: I see your point, but I think your whole argument is based off a general ability they share in energy projection. They have far different applications with their powers.

Cyclops: Extradimensional optic blasts from his eyes, no heat, concussive force and ricochet shots and spatial awareness if you count it as a power. Cyclops' powers in a nutshell. Also immune to his own and Havok;s blasts but not Vulcan.

Havok: Ambient cosmic energy conversion to the point he can sundip so to speak. Heated plasma blasts with varying effects depending on his level used such as concussion from air molecule displacement, disintegration, explode etc that can be expelled from any direction of his body, ability to propel himself, minor forcefields IIRC. Immune to Cyclops' blasts but not Vulcan's.

Vulcan: Energy absorption from almost any source, energy manipulation, flight, power suppression, forcefields and Vulcan had a lot of uses.

Now lets look at the Wolverine family.

Wolverine: Enhanced stats+senses, healing, claws MA ability.

X-23: Enhanced stats+ senses, healing, claws, MA ability.

Daken: Enhanced stats+ senses, healing, claws, MA ability, pheromones.

Sooo the Summers brothers have the same basis in their abilities because they are family but have different types of energy, have for the majority, different applications with their powers, have different extremes to their powers and they are too similar? So you compare them to the Wolverine family who are basically the same in every way save for Daken who has pheromones? That is one difference apart from the others. Cyclops does none of the thinks Havok or Vulcan except shoot a type of energy, Havok can't fly, can't suppress mutant powers, can't absorb the energies to the degree Vulcan can, and can project only minor heated force fields if I'm not mistaken. They are only similar in a very general sense vs Wolverine's family who is similar in a very specific sense.

I hate to be that guy, but is Scott's immunity to his own powers still in effect because I've seen a few instances recently that made me go all Comic Book Guy on them at first but then consider that maybe they've decided to change it. I hope you don't mind me asking.

Scott Summers is one of those rare comic book characters that kept a power and hasnt changed in the 30 or whatever many years. He's got that one power, one ability and thanks to Xavier's training, he's learned what to do with that one power to make it badass. I dont think he needs a power upgrade. Cyclops can do all the things that @Lupine was talking about. Plus, how about his talent for his banked shots? In The X-Men's battle with Murderworld he caused one optic blast to ricochet off 7 different assailents, each one destroyed before his beam leapt to the next target. Or in Schism when Scott and Logan were fighting in close combat and Scott shot a blast at the ground that bounced up and hit Logan in the face? Cyclops can use his blasts to tunnel through rock to get to underground fortresses, as well as use the raw concussive properties to literally push large objects a distance. (I remember an issue where Scott used his beam to push two boulders up at distant enemies. The early explanations for Cyke's powers were that his body absorbs solar energy which he can absorb and then convert to his optic blasts, but I prefer the more recent explanation: That his eyes are portals to another dimension made of this energy, and when he opens his eyes he sends that destructive energy out. That sounds way more badass. I agree that a lot people look at the abilities of the X-Men, especially from the second line-up onwards, and say oh, it's just Cyclops. It's just laser eyes. How lame. Well, guess what? Even if you got one power, it's how you use that power that makes a difference. And let's not forget Scott's amazing talent for leadership and strategy. He's a soldier. And there's a reason why he's been the leader of many a team over the years. He's just that awesome. :)

@The Finality said:

Scott Summers is one of those rare comic book characters that kept a power and hasnt changed in the 30 or whatever many years. He's got that one power, one ability and thanks to Xavier's training, he's learned what to do with that one power to make it badass. I dont think he needs a power upgrade. Cyclops can do all the things that @Lupine was talking about. Plus, how about his talent for his banked shots? In The X-Men's battle with Murderworld he caused one optic blast to ricochet off 7 different assailents, each one destroyed before his beam leapt to the next target. Or in Schism when Scott and Logan were fighting in close combat and Scott shot a blast at the ground that bounced up and hit Logan in the face? Cyclops can use his blasts to tunnel through rock to get to underground fortresses, as well as use the raw concussive properties to literally push large objects a distance. (I remember an issue where Scott used his beam to push two boulders up at distant enemies. The early explanations for Cyke's powers were that his body absorbs solar energy which he can absorb and then convert to his optic blasts, but I prefer the more recent explanation: That his eyes are portals to another dimension made of this energy, and when he opens his eyes he sends that destructive energy out. That sounds way more badass. I agree that a lot people look at the abilities of the X-Men, especially from the second line-up onwards, and say oh, it's just Cyclops. It's just laser eyes. How lame. Well, guess what? Even if you got one power, it's how you use that power that makes a difference. And let's not forget Scott's amazing talent for leadership and strategy. He's a soldier. And there's a reason why he's been the leader of many a team over the years. He's just that awesome. :)

When was this change made and who was the writer that did it?

@jrock85 I'm not sure when the change was made or who the writer was that did it, but I wouldn't put it past Joss Whedon or Grant Morrison to come up with something like that.

@The Finality said:

Scott Summers is one of those rare comic book characters that kept a power and hasnt changed in the 30 or whatever many years. He's got that one power, one ability and thanks to Xavier's training, he's learned what to do with that one power to make it badass. I dont think he needs a power upgrade. Cyclops can do all the things that @Lupine was talking about. Plus, how about his talent for his banked shots? In The X-Men's battle with Murderworld he caused one optic blast to ricochet off 7 different assailents, each one destroyed before his beam leapt to the next target. Or in Schism when Scott and Logan were fighting in close combat and Scott shot a blast at the ground that bounced up and hit Logan in the face? Cyclops can use his blasts to tunnel through rock to get to underground fortresses, as well as use the raw concussive properties to literally push large objects a distance. (I remember an issue where Scott used his beam to push two boulders up at distant enemies. The early explanations for Cyke's powers were that his body absorbs solar energy which he can absorb and then convert to his optic blasts, but I prefer the more recent explanation: That his eyes are portals to another dimension made of this energy, and when he opens his eyes he sends that destructive energy out. That sounds way more badass. I agree that a lot people look at the abilities of the X-Men, especially from the second line-up onwards, and say oh, it's just Cyclops. It's just laser eyes. How lame. Well, guess what? Even if you got one power, it's how you use that power that makes a difference. And let's not forget Scott's amazing talent for leadership and strategy. He's a soldier. And there's a reason why he's been the leader of many a team over the years. He's just that awesome. :)

Couldn't a said it better. I wouldn't mind if they made his blast stronger. omega style, but no extra powers though. Scott > James

@vicioushero By James I take it you mean Logan? I know his real name's been revealed for a while now, but he's still Logan to me :P On that note, i like Wolverine, and thanks to Claremont, he became the biggest X-Man, but Cyclops is just so cool when used right. His love history with Madelyne and Jean and Phoenix is complicated, as is his family tree (including the fact that it branches into alternative dimensions), but I think of the X-Men, I think of Cyclops. Like my favorite teams are the ones that he's the fearless leader, and Wolverine is the badass who defies him time to time, flirts with the leader's girl, but ultimately the two respect eachother and when they actually work together, they accomplish so much more good together than apart. And then after their brief bro moment, they can't stand eachother again. I really like their dichotomy and relationship as characters.