Cyclops: A complete Jerk?

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#1 Posted by Death_to_sane_people (37 posts) - - Show Bio
#2 Posted by Trodorne (2574 posts) - - Show Bio

I think he is total bad ass not a jerk he gets the work done that needs to be done.

#3 Posted by castleking (24119 posts) - - Show Bio

depends if you think leaving your wife and kid for your teenage girlfriend counts as a jerk thing to do.

#4 Edited by joshmightbe (24691 posts) - - Show Bio
@castleking: and then he cheated on the woman he dumped his wife and kid for and then sent his kid on a suicide mission
#5 Posted by Death_to_sane_people (37 posts) - - Show Bio
@joshmightbe: @castleking: Yup. Totally what I was getting at. I just love when Best tells it to 'em! :)
#6 Posted by SC (12721 posts) - - Show Bio

Is there an option for people that think some writers ain't so flash?   Lacking in characterization? Plot plants over characterization sluts? 
 
I can't really view Cyclops as a jerk. I feel sorry for him, nothing is worse than having a writer make your favorite character unlikable to every other fan of other characters LOL I mean hell, Mike Carey is a good X-Men writer, and people still tend to resent Rogue a fair bit, and you don't have other characters blowing smoke up her, oh and Emma, poor Emma, if I think Cyclops is a jerk, I have to concede that she is a bimbo wreck, who constantly fawns over Cyclops, yikes. Anyway, over in Astonishing Cyclops was being an awesome leader, and a nice guy, and well Slim. Not sure who the guy dressed in a blue condom over in Uncanny X-Men has been, people like to tout he is a great leader because he makes hard decisions, but mots of them have been stupid and cost characters lives, and now and its the same guy who had sex in the middle of a mission and killed a bunch of dinosaurs instead of making sure there was enough ice Cream on Utopia. Then again that guy isn't a jerk, just written poorly. 

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#7 Posted by joshmightbe (24691 posts) - - Show Bio
@SC: actually he ditched his wife and kid back when good writers were running the X titles 
#8 Posted by cattlebattle (12589 posts) - - Show Bio

Cyclops would tell you he's "duh, winning"
#9 Posted by The Impersonator (5067 posts) - - Show Bio

Cyclops is a great leader even though he has ups and downs but still he's one of the best X-Men.

#10 Posted by joshmightbe (24691 posts) - - Show Bio
@cattlebattle: He's no where near Sheen level doucheness he's not Reed Richards you know
#11 Posted by rogue_mar1e (19833 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Impersonator said:
" Cyclops is a great leader even though he has ups and downs but still he's one of the best X-Men. "
#12 Posted by Death_to_sane_people (37 posts) - - Show Bio
@SC: Okay # uno!  DO NOT, DO NOT! Start in on me about emma!!! My gosh!!! She makes my blood roil every time i hear that snipy god-knows-what accent! (not a big fan of her, if u cant tell!:)) and yes, i do admit some writers have cyclops written better than others. But personally i have never liked him. Yes, he may be a relatively good decision maker, BUT he is still to, i don't  know.... Beast said it well, "BAD DOG, BIG SHOT!" sooooooooooooo... yeah, can see your point, but still think he's a bit of a jerk. 
#13 Posted by SC (12721 posts) - - Show Bio
@joshmightbe said:
" @SC: actually he ditched his wife and kid back when good writers were running the X titles  "
 
Actually editors >> writers, come on now son, you know the story no? lol Out of all the X-Men, Cyclops is the one I like the least. Literally any character you see with an X ever? I have liked more, even I know, how rough a time the character and his fans have had. ^__^
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#14 Posted by End_Boss (725 posts) - - Show Bio
@Death_to_sane_people: I can't read a single word in those panels.
#15 Posted by joshmightbe (24691 posts) - - Show Bio

Why is no one just like meh with Emma they either love her dearly or hope she dies forever

#16 Posted by LightBright (4297 posts) - - Show Bio

75% Jerk, 20% Hot Air, 5% Laser Eyes...

#17 Posted by Death_to_sane_people (37 posts) - - Show Bio
@End_Boss: srry. quality sucks. :(
#18 Posted by SC (12721 posts) - - Show Bio
@Death_to_sane_people said:
" @SC: Okay # uno!  DO NOT, DO NOT! Start in on me about emma!!! My gosh!!! She makes my blood roil every time i hear that snipy god-knows-what accent! (not a big fan of her, if u cant tell!:)) and yes, i do admit some writers have cyclops written better than others. But personally i have never liked him. Yes, he may be a relatively good decision maker, BUT he is still to, i don't  know.... Beast said it well, "BAD DOG, BIG SHOT!" sooooooooooooo... yeah, can see your point, but still think he's a bit of a jerk.  "
 
lol, I try and ignore her writing in last couple of years too... thats okay as well, we all have our favorites and not so favorites. I have never liked him either, it did play a very important team balance role though. He is a good character for other characters to play with. Sometimes some characters need to be a bit jerky now and then, I think current writers don't realize how jerky he comes off. >.>
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#19 Posted by lastdrag0n89 (590 posts) - - Show Bio

Of course the most hardcore mutant comes off as a jerk, to those who cant handle his badassness!!! lol

#20 Posted by joshmightbe (24691 posts) - - Show Bio
@SC: I understand that he did what he thought he had to do but still he was a jerk in that moment whether he intended to be or not but some times good leaders have to be jerks like Patton, total dick but a great general
#21 Posted by Gambit1024 (9890 posts) - - Show Bio

He's not a jerk, he just finally grew a pair. 

#22 Posted by drkhwk2001 (4433 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gambit1024 said:
" He's not a jerk, he just finally grew a pair.  "
This............
#23 Posted by Yumulu (762 posts) - - Show Bio
#24 Posted by Overkill (404 posts) - - Show Bio

Nice, another I hate Cyclops thread...

#25 Posted by SC (12721 posts) - - Show Bio
@joshmightbe said:
" @SC: I understand that he did what he thought he had to do but still he was a jerk in that moment whether he intended to be or not but some times good leaders have to be jerks like Patton, total dick but a great general "
 
Wait which example? The leaving Maddy one? 0_0 
 
Thats just writers, well editors changing their minds back and forth and screwing with writers. I can't divorce myself from the reality of the real life circumstance. Characters are characters, they get written to be jerks, not actually be jerks, it can be good? Wolverine is written like a jerk all the time, usually its good writing and characterization. Cyclops examples, tend not to be good characterization, nor good writing. I think people would be okay if those aspects were there. Bad leaders can be jerks too lol, being a dick, jerk, turkey, gunga, lip syncher, reality TV star, and making hard decisions? Yeah, possibly a sign of a good leader, but not always. Actual examples and specifics tend to be lacking for plot reasons. I get what you mean though, my criticism is as usual, at writers/editors.
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#26 Posted by joshmightbe (24691 posts) - - Show Bio
@SC: I was actually talking about the Cable suicide mission but I see your point
#27 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio

You know it's pretty annoying the whole "lol he left his wife and kid and cheated on them"
 
1.) He did leave them after the relationship was long dead, read the actual comic the marriage was over. Whether he left 6 months later or right then, they were going to separate. In fact they were in a huge fight when the phone rang and they found out Jean was alive again.  Madelyn was the one who forced him out and told him not to return.



2.) He was actually estranged from Jean Grey as well because he was wracked with guilt, he never cheated on Madelyne. 
3.) He went back to them when he could and they were gone.
4.) Cyclops never left his wife and kid for a "teenage girlfriend" Jean and Madelyne were the same age physically. And see 2.)

Are we done being stupid? Excellent!
#28 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio
@cattlebattle said:
" Cyclops would tell you he's "duh, winning" "
LMAO
#29 Posted by kiss_lamia (1247 posts) - - Show Bio

still a jerk, never liked him never will, and yes he did leave maddy for jean! oh my dead girlfriend is alive so im just gonna leave. and maddy gave him and ultimatum and any wife would he chose to leave instead of working it out like he should have, and when he left then the maruders went after her and the baby so no he didn't look for her, coming back to the apartment doesn't classify as looking for her!! and he's the reason they were arguing all the time in the first place he was a lousy father he didn't even help her most of the time and she gave birth to cable by herself in the mansion nice supporting daddy not.

#30 Posted by Alch21 (210 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gambit1024 said:
"He's not a jerk, he just finally grew a pair.  "
#31 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio
@kiss_lamia said:
" still a jerk, never liked him never will, and yes he did leave maddy for jean! oh my dead girlfriend is alive so im just gonna leave. and maddy gave him and ultimatum and any wife would he chose to leave instead of working it out like he should have, and when he left then the maruders went after her and the baby so no he didn't look for her, coming back to the apartment doesn't classify as looking for her!! and he's the reason they were arguing all the time in the first place he was a lousy father he didn't even help her most of the time and she gave birth to cable by herself in the mansion nice supporting daddy not. "
1.) Actually he did look for her, Sinister had wiped/replaced the people in the town and removed any trace of Maddy or Nathan there. 
 
2.) Actually it wasn't "Oh my dead girlfriend is alive so I'm going to go" They were in the middle of another argument. 
 
3.) People seem to forget that Maddy was created by Sinister to seduce Scott, that's not a good basis for a marriage anyway.
 
4.) If you actually read the comic she wasn't doing shit to solve the problems, she was just yelling at him.
 
5.)  He was actually helping around the house, in fact most of the time to avoid arguing with Maddy he'd be working around the House.
#32 Edited by kiss_lamia (1247 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheCrowbar said:

1.) Actually he did look for her, Sinister had wiped/replaced the people in the town and removed any trace of Maddy or Nathan there.   2.) Actually it wasn't "Oh my dead girlfriend is alive so I'm going to go" They were in the middle of another argument.   3.) People seem to forget that Maddy was created by Sinister to seduce Scott, that's not a good basis for a marriage anyway.  4.) If you actually read the comic she wasn't doing shit to solve the problems, she was just yelling at him.  5.)  He was actually helping around the house, in fact most of the time to avoid arguing with Maddy he'd be working around the House. "

1) Still not good enough! 
 
2) The only reason they were arguing was because they were supposed to spending the day together and he got phoned by warren with the jean news hence she got pissed that he had to leave again to bail the X-men/ X-factor out again.
 
3) Originally she didn't know that so you can't pin that on her.
 
4)good i would yell at him too she's a first time mother, who gave birth to there son on the floor of the mansion, where both she and him could have died, so call it post natal derpession mix with i hate you coz you left me you asshole while i was approching labour.
 
5) That does not count as helping her with the child, as she was probably suffering from post natal depression she needed help with the kid not building of the house.
#33 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

I hope Cyke would stare in the face of these haters and remove his visors.

#34 Edited by Overkill (404 posts) - - Show Bio
@ssejllenrad said:

" I hope Cyke would stare in the face of these haters and remove his visors. "

QFW!
#35 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio
@kiss_lamia said:

" @TheCrowbar said:

1.) Actually he did look for her, Sinister had wiped/replaced the people in the town and removed any trace of Maddy or Nathan there.   2.) Actually it wasn't "Oh my dead girlfriend is alive so I'm going to go" They were in the middle of another argument.   3.) People seem to forget that Maddy was created by Sinister to seduce Scott, that's not a good basis for a marriage anyway.  4.) If you actually read the comic she wasn't doing shit to solve the problems, she was just yelling at him.  5.)  He was actually helping around the house, in fact most of the time to avoid arguing with Maddy he'd be working around the House. "

1) Still not good enough!   2) The only reason they were arguing was because they were supposed to spending the day together and he got phoned by warren with the jean news hence she got pissed that he had to leave again to bail the X-men/ X-factor out again.  3) Originally she didn't know that so you can't pin that on her. 4)good i would yell at him too she's a first time mother, who gave birth to there son on the floor of the mansion, where both she and him could have died, so call it post natal derpession mix with i hate you coz you left me you asshole while i was approching labour.  5) That does not count as helping her with the child, as she was probably suffering from post natal depression she needed help with the kid not building of the house. "
 1.) He can't just make up a lead to find her. It explicitly stated that Sinister removed any trace of her and Nathan. Ought implies can, and he couldn't do anything more.
2.) The arguments they were having were more than just that one.
3.) I'm not pinning that on her, but it's a fact and it's a poor basis for a marriage. It started bad.
4.)Marriage is a partnership and neither of them were acting like it, it's not solely his fault. 
5.) Actually I'm pretty sure keeping the house warm and in good repair is an important part of raising the kid. In fact it's an integral part of  raising a child, keeping it safe from the elements. 
 
And don't even try to use the psychological issues Madylyne was suffering from as an excuse. Scott has much more deep seated and scarring issues. 
 
Not to mention, that it was Scott that raised Nathan in the end, he gets no points for that at all.
#36 Posted by Girth (1041 posts) - - Show Bio

He is a bit of a jerk, but he is a great leader that does what needs to be done.

#37 Posted by kiss_lamia (1247 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheCrowbar:  well just have to agree to disagree lol
#38 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio
@kiss_lamia said:
" @TheCrowbar:  well just have to agree to disagree lol "
We have some common ground then :P
#39 Posted by kiss_lamia (1247 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheCrowbar:  ROFL looks like it  :D see ya round lol
#40 Edited by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

Cyclops is the greatest Leader in Comics and the best X-Man character by an unbelievable margin. 
 
That time when he left his wife he was being downplayed so other, worse but more popular characters, could look like saints (cough, Wolverine, cough). The same happened to Hank Pym (cough, Iron Man, cough). 
 
And let's not bring up the fact that he never cheated on Jean, was technically psychically raped by his therapist, and was tormented by his supposed wife flirting with the guy who chipped at his confidence every chance he got. Oh yeh, there was also that little matter of becoming fused with the malevolent entity called Apocalypse, but there's no way that could mess you up (sarcasm mode).

#41 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio
@FadeToBlackBolt: 
Lets not forget that he has deep seated abandonment issues and the only family he ever had after being orphaned was a paramilitary group.
#42 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheCrowbar: Or that his youngest brother was basically sent to death by his only father figure (****ing retcons >_>).
 
Cyke rules.
#43 Posted by Green Skin (2932 posts) - - Show Bio

Cyke isn't a jerk, he's a badass.  People used to complain that he was too much of a boy scout and now that he's grown a pair they complain that he's a jerk.  Just goes to show you that comic fans will always find something to bitch about.

#44 Posted by coolbeans (253 posts) - - Show Bio

To some it may seem like he is being a jerk but in all honesty he is doing whats best for the mutant race even if some of his actions are questionable.  It's all about survival and he is doing what he has to do even though he doesn't even like it sometimes.

#45 Posted by entropy_aegis (14459 posts) - - Show Bio
@FadeToBlackBolt said:

"Cyclops is the greatest Leader in Comics and the best X-Man character by an unbelievable margin.   That time when he left his wife he was being downplayed so other, worse but more popular characters, could look like saints (cough, Wolverine, cough). The same happened to Hank Pym (cough, Iron Man, cough).   And let's not bring up the fact that he never cheated on Jean, was technically psychically raped by his therapist, and was tormented by his supposed wife flirting with the guy who chipped at his confidence every chance he got. Oh yeh, there was also that little matter of becoming fused with the malevolent entity called Apocalypse, but there's no way that could mess you up (sarcasm mode). "




I would'nt call pym a better character than stark ,infact i would say it's the other way around by miles,the wolverine/cyclops fanboy rivalry always amused me though.    
#46 Posted by DeadpoolvIronFist (2416 posts) - - Show Bio

Cyclops is one of my favorite characters.....

#47 Posted by Czr3pka (13 posts) - - Show Bio

Cyclops is my favorite X-Men (along with Iceman,) because he's a good example of being a normal person that isn't always perfect. He's made some terrible choices, but his leadership and stern attitude are irreplaceable. At least he's not Wolverine, CONSTANTLY doting on his every little mistae and his past.
#48 Posted by The Umbra Sorcerer (8135 posts) - - Show Bio

He used to be Badass and a favourite of mine but with Matt he's a jerk

#49 Posted by JoseDRiveraTCR7 (1005 posts) - - Show Bio
@coolbeans: Could not agree more. People complain about him being like Magneto, but I see him more as a realist, someone between Magneto and Prof X. The main criticism seems to be about Scott creating X-Force, but that was a pretty good move considering the mutant population is in the hundreds and they have to due with so many lethal threats from people with powers.
#50 Posted by xmenfallen (1385 posts) - - Show Bio

NO he is a great leader ............ sometimes he just steps on people to get correct results... he just gets the work done 

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