The Connection Between Cyborg and Apokolips

#1 Edited by Superdork (917 posts) - - Show Bio

With the restructuring of the DC timeline by the events in Flashpoint, there have been numerous changes made to the DC Universe--including a new origin for Cyborg. In this new reality, Cyborg is much more closely tied to Apokalips than ever before.

The Origin

After being bombarded by boom tube energy, Victor's body quickly began to deteriorate. Silas Stone, Victor's father, knew that his son only had one chance for survival: an untested combination of nanites and promethium--both of extraterrestrial origin. After the procedure, Victor awoke as Cyborg. Worth noting is the fact that Cyborg has been doused with boom tube energy. This in itself should let you know that the character is now connected to Apokolips--especially since he is the only human with unlimited access to Apokolips. Furthermore, while we may not know the exact origin of promethium or the nanites injected into Vic's body, we have a pretty god clue of where they come from:

The Machinery

Speaking of similarities between Cyborg and the Parademons, Justice League: Origin gives us a pretty good idea of how the Parademons are made. They are all basically the reprocessed flesh or conquered peoples that have been combined with Apokaliptan technology. Clearly, they are all cyborgs. This is evidence that Apokolips not only has the technology to create beings similar to Victor, they also use that technology all of the time.

The Look

Cyborg's look also changed with the reboot. Jim Lee purposely designed him to look similar to Darkseid and the Parademons by using visual cues like red orbs, red eyes, gauntlets, and metal armor over exposed skin.

Need more proof? This quote is from USA Today's interview with Geoff Johns and Jim Lee:

The relaunched Darkseid may look pretty much the same upon first glace, but Lee's design pays homage to Jack Kirby's original look for the villain and updates it a bit.

"It really was taking some of the costume elements that felt more of a different era like the wrestling trunks, and making it look like this tryant's intergalactic armor. That needed to be updated," Lee says.

There is also a connection between Darkseid and Cyborg's origin and technology, so Lee tried to use of the same costume elements with the hero that were also apparent with the bad guy and his Parademon henchmen.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/life/comics/story/2012-02-27/Justice-League-comic-book-series/53271422/1

The Home Town

Cyborg hails from Detroit--the Motor City. Detroit was the center of Darkseid's attack, and it's still suffering because of the that. The line between dimensions is weakest in Detroit, which means that the Parademons are still able to emerge from Detroit at any given time. Right now, it's Vibe's mission to stop these incursions before they grow serious. But it seems as though Cyborg should be doing that job.

From Andrew Kreisenberg, writer of Justice League of America's Vibe:

After Darkseid's invasion, Detroit has become this thin membrane between dimensions. So Cisco is sort of this inter-dimensional border patrolman. With that, the book suddenly has its franchise. You can understand what he's doing in any given episode. He isn't just responding to random things that are happening. It's all part of a larger plan.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/Andrew-Kreisberg-JLAs-Vibe-interview.html

Here's the solicit from Justice League of America's Vibe issue 1:

• No, that’s not a typo. Vibe stars in his own ongoing monthly title, starting with this debut issue cowritten by GEOFF JOHNS!

• One of the most unlikely members of the Justice League of America ever (okay, THE most unlikely) will soon discover he’s one of the most powerful individuals on Earth. But how did Vibe get his abilities? What is the cost to them? And why does the JLA want him on the team so desperately?

Plus: We’ve seen the Red Room and the Black Room, but what is...the Circus?

http://www.dccomics.com/tags/justice-league-of-americas-vibe

Detroit is also home to the Red Room, which is the world's largest covert research facility for housing extraterrestrial, unidentified, and classified technology from across the globe. Were Cyborg to get an ongoing series, he would undoubtedly have some connection to the Red Room, where his father works. And he would probably help research the dormant Apokoliptan technology stored there.

#2 Posted by colonyofcells (2038 posts) - - Show Bio

Maybe Cyborg should consider dating some cute female para demons.

#3 Posted by JonSmith (3996 posts) - - Show Bio

@colonyofcells said:

Maybe Cyborg should consider dating some cute female para demons.

That wouldn't end well for a number of reasons.

First and foremost, were the relationship to go anywhere, it would be strictly platonic due to Cyborg's lack of biological equipment.

You'd THINK the first problem would be that parademons are, as a rule, bloodthirsty, bloodsucking, life draining, irrational, destructive, creatures incapable of basic common sense.

But most females are.

And since we all know there are no girls on the internet, there's no one to rebuke that incredibly ignorant and chauvinistic statement!

COME AT ME, @Necrotic_Lycanthrope!

#4 Posted by redhoodnet (153 posts) - - Show Bio

Kudos...

That was a great and very informative write up! Well Done!

#5 Posted by OutlawRenegade (1251 posts) - - Show Bio

Very informative! I would love to learn more about Apokolips and its history from a Cyborg-centric series. There's clearly a lot of gold to mine here.

#6 Posted by SUNMAN (7228 posts) - - Show Bio

@Superdork said:

With the restructuring of the DC timeline by the events in Flashpoint, there have been numerous changes made to the DC Universe--including a new origin for Cyborg. In this new reality, Cyborg is much more closely tied to Apokalips than ever before.

The Origin

After being bombarded by boom tube energy, Victor's body quickly began to deteriorate. Silas Stone, Victor's father, knew that his son only had one chance for survival: an untested combination of nanites and promethium--both of extraterrestrial origin. After the procedure, Victor awoke as Cyborg. Worth noting is the fact that Cyborg has been doused with boom tube energy. This in itself should let you know that the character is now connected to Apokolips--especially since he is the only human with unlimited access to Apokolips. Furthermore, while we may not know the exact origin of promethium or the nanites injected into Vic's body, we have a pretty god clue of where they come from:

The Machinery

Speaking of similarities between Cyborg and the Parademons, Justice League: Origin gives us a pretty good idea of how the Parademons are made. They are all basically the reprocessed flesh or conquered peoples that have been combined with Apokaliptan technology. Clearly, they are all cyborgs. This is evidence that Apokolips not only has the technology to create beings similar to Victor, they also use that technology all of the time.

The Look

Cyborg's look also changed with the reboot. Jim Lee purposely designed him to look similar to Darkseid and the Parademons by using visual cues like red orbs, red eyes, gauntlets, and metal armor over exposed skin.

Need more proof? This quote is from USA Today's interview with Geoff Johns and Jim Lee:

The relaunched Darkseid may look pretty much the same upon first glace, but Lee's design pays homage to Jack Kirby's original look for the villain and updates it a bit.

"It really was taking some of the costume elements that felt more of a different era like the wrestling trunks, and making it look like this tryant's intergalactic armor. That needed to be updated," Lee says.

There is also a connection between Darkseid and Cyborg's origin and technology, so Lee tried to use of the same costume elements with the hero that were also apparent with the bad guy and his Parademon henchmen.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/life/comics/story/2012-02-27/Justice-League-comic-book-series/53271422/1

great post. I picked up on this connection a while back and I'm interested to see how it plays out

The Home Town
Cyborg hails from Detroit--the Motor City. Detroit was the center of Darkseid's attack, and it's still suffering because of the that. The line between dimensions is weakest in Detroit, which means that the Parademons are still able to emerge from Detroit at any given time. Right now, it's Vibe's mission to stop these incursions before they grow serious. But it seems as though Cyborg should be doing that job.
From Andrew Kreisenberg, writer of Justice League of America's Vibe:
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/Andrew-Kreisberg-JLAs-Vibe-interview.html
Here's the solicit from Justice League of America's Vibe issue 1:
• No, that’s not a typo. Vibe stars in his own ongoing monthly title, starting with this debut issue cowritten by GEOFF JOHNS!
• One of the most unlikely members of the Justice League of America ever (okay, THE most unlikely) will soon discover he’s one of the most powerful individuals on Earth. But how did Vibe get his abilities? What is the cost to them? And why does the JLA want him on the team so desperately?
Plus: We’ve seen the Red Room and the Black Room, but what is...the Circus?
http://www.dccomics.com/tags/justice-league-of-americas-vibe


Detroit is also home to the Red Room, which is the world's largest covert research facility for housing extraterrestrial, unidentified, and classified technology from across the globe. Were Cyborg to get an ongoing series, he would undoubtedly have some connection to the Red Room, where his father works. And he would probably help research the dormant Apokoliptan technology stored there.
After Darkseid's invasion, Detroit has become this thin membrane between dimensions. So Cisco is sort of this inter-dimensional border patrolman. With that, the book suddenly has its franchise. You can understand what he's doing in any given episode. He isn't just responding to random things that are happening. It's all part of a larger plan.

okay I did not pick up on this. Great find. Slowly but surely they are building Cyborg up. I love it.

@JonSmith: lmao! nice. Also Cyborg still has his manhood

#7 Posted by The_Greatest_Green_Lantern (68 posts) - - Show Bio

Does anyone think this will be touched upon in Forever Evil?

#8 Edited by SUNMAN (7228 posts) - - Show Bio
#9 Posted by Mega_spidey01 (3078 posts) - - Show Bio

cyborg is pretty messed up due to his cybernetics. no woman will want to be with him because of it.

#10 Posted by SUNMAN (7228 posts) - - Show Bio
#11 Posted by Mega_spidey01 (3078 posts) - - Show Bio

how would u know @ SUNMAN ?

#12 Posted by SUNMAN (7228 posts) - - Show Bio

@mega_spidey01: because I've read DC comics and watched the cartoons

#13 Edited by Captain13 (3321 posts) - - Show Bio

Does anyone think this stuff will be touched on after Forever Evil? Could Grid be connected to Apokalips somehow?

#14 Edited by Black_Claw (2970 posts) - - Show Bio

@captain13: It might be. Keyword here is "might".

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