Yeah, I could see this.

Only Ivan Reis, DC's best artist, draws him well. The problem is that other artists draw Cyborg too.

Have you seen these:

There's beauty in simplicity, DC.

Weren't all of these (with the David Finch exception) drawn before Ivan instituted the whole "slim while passive" explanation? and that whole Throne of Atlantis cover is just bad all around.

Yeah, but the only Black guy has a freaky appearance and is constantly shoved in the back (even behind non-founders like Firestorm and Atom). I was so pissed when I read issue 18, the issue that was supposed to bring Cyborg to center stage, but instead gave all the action-packed scenes to Atom and Firestorm.

This understandable.

@deaditegonzo: As much as I love cy, his recent treatment has got me thinking that maybe adding him among the top dogs probably wasn't the best idea. Personally, This is how I would've rebooted the league:

Superman

Batman

Wonder Woman

Green Lantern: John Stewart

Flash: Barry Allen

Aquaman

Martian Manhunter

This would be the perfect line up IMO, but unfortunately most of DC editorial have a hard on for Hal Jordan so it'll never happen.

With good reason. Remember when DC editorially mandated Dwayne Mcduffie to replace Hal with John during his JLA run and people got so pissed that they had to ring Hal back just a few issues later? Hell, Dwayne didn't even want to use John during that run and he loves the character.

Yeah, I could see this.

Only Ivan Reis, DC's best artist, draws him well. The problem is that other artists draw Cyborg too.

Have you seen these:

There's beauty in simplicity, DC.

Also, Cyborg could make a hologram to make himself look like his evil counterpart in Injustice. So your right, why can't he make a hologram to make himself look human?

So to sum up this thread so far:

• Cyborg was brought in by DC to be a founding member, but they insult pretty much everyone by keeping him purely in the background. This is evidenced by his lack of a love interest, lack of a villain, lack of stories focused on him, lack of his own book, lack of screen time, lack of battle feats, and lack of respect even though DC has had two years to produce something meaningful with him. (He's basically the new John Stewart. Pretty soon people will call him boring, and DC editors will try to kill him off).
• Geoff Johns can only make bad things happen to Cyborg. And he makes him Batman's ****.
• Besides being the team's bus and Batman's PC, Cyborg contributes nothing to the team.
• Every form of media other than he comics can depict well-written interpretations of Cyborg (and other minority heroes).
• Cyborg's design is outdated. And it's outclassed by almost every other cyborg-hero design as well. These include designs from Metal Gear, Ghost in the Shell, Deus Ex, and Cyber Force. And most artists (not including Ivan Reis) cannot draw Cyborg well in his current design.
• Marvel and DC have high quantities of representation, but only Marvel has high quality minority representation.
• In DC, if you're a white founder of the League, you get to be handsome. If you're a black founder, then you have to be ugly. And you have to be derogatorily referred to as "kid" or boy.
• Cyborg will probably never get a real chance to shine in the spotlight. And if he does, it will only happen once or twice before he is killed off, replaced, or retconned away.
• If Cyborg were to ever get a book, Jimmy Palmiotti should write it.

making up BS solicits that leave fans disapointed (*cough* Justice League 18 *cough*)

Am I missing anything?

@blkson: Thanks for giving us fans a chance to rant. It's soothing. You made excellent points in the OP.

I agree with a lot of this thread. It's a crime that Cyborg doesn't have a solo. I still like the idea of him having a "battle mode" and a "civilian mode" where he looks more and less armored respectively. But let's be fair. That is just one hot Cyborg Superman design. That design is better than any of the Super-family costumes since the reboot. It's the best one by far.

Cyborg should definitely have a more stream lined design. The ones i posted of mgr:revengence and the ones you posted are fantastic, look cool, and fit his character. He wouldn't lose that factor he has of not being able to look at himself as a man in the mirror if he has a less clunky look.

The funny thing is, cyborg is one the justice league characters that no one would bitch about if he got a redsighn. In fact, a slimmer look would only make sense with someone constantly upgrading. He doesn't have an established iconic look that every knows of, at least not at superman or wonder woman's level.

I prefer Cyborg to look like a normal human same as bionic man and just wear armor for missions. DC seems to want to continue to do I am a Monster stories with cyborg.

You know at first, I was hesitant about Cy looking like a normal human, mainly because his faceplate has become somewhat of a staple. Another reason is because his story is about his struggle being half man, half machine and I felt that having a human appearance would negate the significance of his story. Finally, I thought that having a human appearance just seemed more android than Cyborg.

But after looking at some fanart, I think that a human appearance for Cyborg could work out.

Yeah, and he could still use the faceplate from time to time if the mission called for it.

I have notice that he's been drwn more slimmer since his new52 debut. but he's still ugly as hell though. One of the aesthetic that encompasses almost all comic book hero designs is that they are genuinely more handsome/beautiful than everyone else (because you know, its not enough that they are insurmountably more gifted than everyone else). Although I don't like the idea that superheroes have to be dashingly good looking all whilst being super powered, this issue really stands out to me seeing as Cy is the only person of color (so far) on the roster.

I am fine with the way he looks, i would get annoyed if they all looked like A.F. Models or something. I am glad he has to deal with all this sh!t feeling and looking like a monster. I am glad that he made a big deal about not wanting to go through the environmental protection upgrade or whatever, because he would have to take out more of his HUMAN body parts, but when his team needed him he did it, he actually gave up a part of himself to take one for the team.

While these guys are bickering amongst each other, like ww and gl he does things for the better of his teammates. This is just another case of the "monster being the most human of us all" He isn't sure if he is just a machine who thinks he is a man or if he is actually Vic stone still. I like to see him struggle because each time he does he over comes it. I honestly don't think it comes down to, "you know what, he's black,lets draw him ugly and bulky, and make him stupid and a loser! " It's just one of those things that happened, he hangs around with space cops, alien gods, amazons, speed masters, and he accidentally fell into all this and is hanging with the big guys.

As for the way he looks, matter of opinion I guess, some people like big robots with gears and flaps opening and closing, some people like, the slimmer look.

anyways this is all opinion of course, sucks that people aren't happy with him, but can't please everyone sadly :P

Even though i don't mind the look i wish he had some more skin shown. I found his old look god awful, as slim as he looked like he should be on american gladiator or something.

No one is even insinuating that because he's black "lets draw him ugly and bulky, and make him stupid and a loser!"

It's the fact that hes the ONLY person of color (so far) on a team of super powered beautiful handsome model looking white folk and he's completely the opposite.

Atom, Firestorm and Element Woman (and thats just if you dont count the JLA)

And yea, costumes do comes down to personal taste. I def don't like his design. However, like I aforementioned earlier in this thread, Scott Clark's design is perfect! :P

Also what is there to be happy about with Cy? He hasn't really done anything. That part when you talk about the issue of Cy not knowing if he's man or machine hasn't really been explored yet and here we are in year 2 of him being on the League. I love the character but he just hasn't been give much attention. There needs to be a Cyborg Arc. An arc COMPLETELY about him like Aquaman's. Fans thought that the arc "The Grid" was going to be about Cy but it wasn't so we wait.

No one is even insinuating that because he's black "lets draw him ugly and bulky, and make him stupid and a loser!"

It's the fact that hes the ONLY person of color (so far) on a team of super powered beautiful handsome model looking white folk and he's completely the opposite.

And yea, costumes do comes down to personal taste. I def don't like his design. However, like I aforementioned earlier in this thread, Scott Clark's design is perfect! :P

Also what is there to be happy about with Cy? He hasn't really done anything. That part when you talk about the issue of Cy not knowing if he's man or machine hasn't really been explored yet and here we are in year 2 of him being on the League. I love the character but he just hasn't been give much attention. There needs to be a Cyborg Arc. An arc COMPLETELY about him like Aquaman's. Fans thought that the arc "The Grid" was going to be about Cy but it wasn't so we wait.

Well at least in the Blue devil Black lightning pair up it would be the opposite :P. I mean so far there aren't that many black heroes introduced, but I see your point about him being on the team and all and looking like that.

Would you consider his old look handsome or more attractive? I can't really stand that one at all

I am perfectly happy with him so far, he is the go to guy, batman even called him into the cave for his expertise, he pretty much knows everything without trying. He hasn't gotten his time to shine yet but they do praise him. He was the one who opened and closed the boom tubes. I mean depending how you look at it it could be good or bad. I see him opening and closing boom tubes as something pretty sweet, but someone else could view him as the chauffeur from driving miss daisy.

If they are going to give him a Solo book I want them to do it right, I don't want another Static situation where it gets cancelled immediately. It makes me sick when they go on about how many books are coming out in the new 52 and then i read down the list of what's being canceled, and if just an arc then something good. I hate when they start off great but midway they get ridiculous, once again static, by the end of the book his clone or future self or SOMETHING comes along randomly, it was just a cluster f*ck and embarrassing for the character

One of the problems is that he doesn't contribute. Anything. The Justice League satellite already has teleportation docs. Batman already has a supercomputer. If Cyborg is not a notable fighter then why is he in the book? Batman's already the strategist. If Cyborg's not an equal player, then why was he included? If he's not drawing readers in due to his sparkling personality, then why should people care about him? DC doesn't even seem to care about him. I'd much rather just get John Stewart back at this point.