Will Colossus ever change back to his human form?

#1 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (5772 posts) - - Show Bio

When Colossus became the new Juggernaut, lately we haven't seen him in his human form for awhile now, so does that mean that because he is the new Juggernaut, he no longer can transform into his human form or does he transform into his human form off screen?

#2 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (5772 posts) - - Show Bio

bump.

#3 Edited by CATPANEXE (9368 posts) - - Show Bio

He shouldn't have his transformation capacity limited by this. I believe it's an artistic choice to solidify to the readers, and the ones coming on board his new status, as well possibly a poetic attempt to show the change in his personality, whereas he has become extremely cold and withdrawn into a shell from those around him. Removed from his place in humanity as it were.

#4 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (5772 posts) - - Show Bio

@CATPANEXE said:

He shouldn't have his transformation capacity limited by this. I believe it's an artistic choice to solidify to the readers, and the ones coming on board his new status, as well possibly a poetic attempt to show the change in his personality, whereas he has become extremely cold and withdrawn into a shell from those around him. Removed from his place in humanity as it were.

That's a good point!

#5 Posted by awesomex (95 posts) - - Show Bio

I sure Colossus can transform back into human form. But he can't control the Juggernaut power in human form yet.

#6 Posted by Kallarkz (3303 posts) - - Show Bio

@awesomex said:

I sure Colossus can transform back into human form. But he can't control the Juggernaut power in human form yet.

he can only access the Juggernaut power when he wills it. I'm doubting he has any Juggernaut abilities while in human form. And if so very little.

#7 Edited by awesomex (95 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think that Colossus need to wills himself to the Juggernaut. I think that he concently fighting not to became the Juggernaut.

#8 Posted by Kallarkz (3303 posts) - - Show Bio

Ummmmm we have been seeing him having to do it in the actual comic books.

#9 Posted by Superskrull86 (1831 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes.

#10 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (5772 posts) - - Show Bio

@awesomex said:

I don't think that Colossus need to wills himself to the Juggernaut. I think that he concently fighting not to became the Juggernaut.

I wonder if Colossus is strong enough to fight the effects of the Juggernaut?

#11 Posted by awesomex (95 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rabbitearsblog: In the preview ( Things to come Uncanny X-Men 2012 ) look like Colossus won't strong enough to control the Juggernaut power and the nature of the Juggernaut take over.

#12 Posted by yumyumbubblegum (618 posts) - - Show Bio

@awesomex said:

@Rabbitearsblog: In the preview ( Things to come Uncanny X-Men 2012 ) look like Colossus won't strong enough to control the Juggernaut power and the nature of the Juggernaut take over.

What? Piotr only draws upon the powers of Juggernaut when he deems it necessary, whereas Cain was always the Juggernaut because he embraced destruction. Is Piotr being bold a reference to buddhist monks and their apathy towards desire?

#13 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (5772 posts) - - Show Bio

@awesomex said:

@Rabbitearsblog: In the preview ( Things to come Uncanny X-Men 2012 ) look like Colossus won't strong enough to control the Juggernaut power and the nature of the Juggernaut take over.

Uh oh, that's not good. I hope they don't kill him off after that...

#14 Posted by Inpa (39 posts) - - Show Bio
@yumyumbubblegum said:

@awesomex said:

@Rabbitearsblog: In the preview ( Things to come Uncanny X-Men 2012 ) look like Colossus won't strong enough to control the Juggernaut power and the nature of the Juggernaut take over.

What? Piotr only draws upon the powers of Juggernaut when he deems it necessary, whereas Cain was always the Juggernaut because he embraced destruction. Is Piotr being bold a reference to buddhist monks and their apathy towards desire?

Colossus Lossus P is great! He's been climbing his way higher and higher up the "coolest x-men" list for years He's up there, man.
#15 Posted by Inpa (39 posts) - - Show Bio

they better not kill him.

#16 Posted by Sir_Deadpool (461 posts) - - Show Bio

hopefully not!

#17 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (5772 posts) - - Show Bio

@Inpa said:

they better not kill him.

I hope not either. There's so much potential with his character right now and it would be a big shame if they let it go to waste by killing him.

#18 Posted by butterflykyss (3914 posts) - - Show Bio

How did he get Juggs power? I know it was from fear itself but how?

#19 Edited by Gambit1024 (9890 posts) - - Show Bio

@butterflykyss: Since Cain got that fancy hammer from the Serpent, he started to charge towards Utopia. To weaken him, Colossus, Kitty, and Magik went to Cytorak himself and told him that Cain has a new master he answers to. Cytorak got jealous, so he stripped Cain of the Juggernaut power and wanted to give it to someone new. Magik really only went because she was the one that wanted it, but Colossus was just like "Nyet. I vill not let this heppen to mai little snowflake", and boom, now he's the Juggernaut.

#20 Posted by Steps (657 posts) - - Show Bio

@Gambit1024 said:

@butterflykyss: Since Cain got that fancy hammer from the Serpent, he started to charge towards Utopia. To weaken him, Colossus, Kitty, and Magik went to Cytorak himself and told him that Cain has a new master he answers to. Cytorak got jealous, so he stripped Cain of the Juggernaut power and wanted to give it to someone new. Magik really only went because she was the one that wanted it, but Colossus was just like "Nyet. I vill not let this heppen to mai little snowflake", and boom, now he's the Juggernaut.

But Damn could you have imagined Magik with the Juggs helmet

#21 Posted by Gambit1024 (9890 posts) - - Show Bio

@Steps: What a mismatch. Personally, I think the helmet looks stupid in general. Having that huge thing on such a tiny body would look even worse.

...But in retrospect, if Magik were to use Juggernaut powers, wouldn't her body get bigger? It happens to Colossus and he's already huge to begin with.

#22 Posted by butterflykyss (3914 posts) - - Show Bio

@Gambit1024 said:

@butterflykyss: Since Cain got that fancy hammer from the Serpent, he started to charge towards Utopia. To weaken him, Colossus, Kitty, and Magik went to Cytorak himself and told him that Cain has a new master he answers to. Cytorak got jealous, so he stripped Cain of the Juggernaut power and wanted to give it to someone new. Magik really only went because she was the one that wanted it, but Colossus was just like "Nyet. I vill not let this heppen to mai little snowflake", and boom, now he's the Juggernaut.

Thanks a lot.. didn't know Magik wanted the power for herself. did she resent him for taking the power and has this been expressed to him...

#23 Posted by Steps (657 posts) - - Show Bio

@Gambit1024 said:

@Steps: What a mismatch. Personally, I think the helmet looks stupid in general. Having that huge thing on such a tiny body would look even worse.

...But in retrospect, if Magik were to use Juggernaut powers, wouldn't her body get bigger? It happens to Colossus and he's already huge to begin with.

I don't know does Cain Marko get any smaller when he's not the Juggernaut?

#24 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (5772 posts) - - Show Bio
@butterflykyss said:

@Gambit1024 said:

@butterflykyss: Since Cain got that fancy hammer from the Serpent, he started to charge towards Utopia. To weaken him, Colossus, Kitty, and Magik went to Cytorak himself and told him that Cain has a new master he answers to. Cytorak got jealous, so he stripped Cain of the Juggernaut power and wanted to give it to someone new. Magik really only went because she was the one that wanted it, but Colossus was just like "Nyet. I vill not let this heppen to mai little snowflake", and boom, now he's the Juggernaut.

Thanks a lot.. didn't know Magik wanted the power for herself. did she resent him for taking the power and has this been expressed to him...

I'm not sure how Magik feels about this, but I don't think she resented him or anything.
#25 Posted by Rickbarry (1752 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rabbitearsblog: @Steps: @butterflykyss:

I've been doing some thinking as to why Colossus is always in his armored form. I first thought that perhaps it made him more resistant to the things that Cain was weak against: magic and telepaths. However, I want to say it has to do with him having control over the impulses Cyttorak can project. Sinister gaining control of his mind seemed to debunk that idea.

When Kitty was still floating in space Colossus visited Kurt in his chapel. He explained that things just seemed to hurt less while he was in his steel form. Perhaps being in this form buffers him from the brunt of these impulses?

Or he might just look cooler bald in his armored form as opposed to goofy in the flesh.

Thoughts?

#26 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (5772 posts) - - Show Bio
@Rickbarry said:

@Rabbitearsblog: @Steps: @butterflykyss:

I've been doing some thinking as to why Colossus is always in his armored form. I first thought that perhaps it made him more resistant to the things that Cain was weak against: magic and telepaths. However, I want to say it has to do with him having control over the impulses Cyttorak can project. Sinister gaining control of his mind seemed to debunk that idea.

When Kitty was still floating in space Colossus visited Kurt in his chapel. He explained that things just seemed to hurt less while he was in his steel form. Perhaps being in this form buffers him from the brunt of these impulses?

Or he might just look cooler bald in his armored form as opposed to goofy in the flesh.

Thoughts?

That's an interesting thought. I remembered when Colossus told Kurt about how he doesn't really feel anything when he's in his armored form, so maybe this was a way for Colossus to prevent the Cyttorak's influence from overpowering him.
#27 Edited by Kallarkz (3303 posts) - - Show Bio

I guess we got our answer to this in the latest Uncanny X-men.

Colossus says he wont transform back because he would be taken over by Cyttorak in his human form. That a mere man cannot overcome the power of Cyttorak but in his Steel form he is a superhero and he feels stronger to fight off his influence.

This just screamed that they will be taking away Cyttoraks powers far sooner then I thought.

#28 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (5772 posts) - - Show Bio
@Kallarkz said:

I guess we got our answer to this in the latest Uncanny X-men.

Colossus says he wont transform back because he would be taken over by Cyttorak in his human form. That a mere man cannot overcome the power of Cyttorak but in his Steel form he is a superhero and he feels stronger to fight off his influence.

This just screamed that they will be taking away Cyttoraks powers far sooner then I thought.

Finally! We got a good explanation about why Colossus won't change back into human! Thanks!
#29 Posted by Rickbarry (1752 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kallarkz: What makes you think that they'll take it away sooner than you thought? They've only scratched the surface of how this would affect Piotr and Gillien seems to enjoy giving Colossus a larger role.

#30 Posted by Kallarkz (3303 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rickbarry said:

@Kallarkz: What makes you think that they'll take it away sooner than you thought? They've only scratched the surface of how this would affect Piotr and Gillien seems to enjoy giving Colossus a larger role.

They have gotten pretty deep as to how this is affecting him actually they just haven't shown it a lot.

They will be taking these power away soon. Colossus can't transform into a human, he has imprisoned himself because he feels he will lose control and he is slowly getting worse and worse. They are building this up to something that will change his situation radically.

This will not last long.

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