Just how strong is Colossus?

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#1 Posted by Theracles (1366 posts) - - Show Bio

I have always wondered on how strong the russian giant is but I have surfed the internet multiple times to find out how strong Colossus is but I have encountered no result. So just how strong is Colossus?

#2 Posted by The_Martian (36980 posts) - - Show Bio

I believe he has made it to 100 tons now.

#3 Posted by Theracles (1366 posts) - - Show Bio
Nobody said:
"I believe he has made it to 100 tons now."
Interesting, can he lift in the excess of a 100 tons? Its just out of curiosity.
#4 Posted by Forever (4332 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes he can lift over 100 tons.  How much over is not clear.  However that is the way it is with everyone in Marvel's 100 ton class.

#5 Posted by Theracles (1366 posts) - - Show Bio
Forever said:
"Yes he can lift over 100 tons.  How much over is not clear.  However that is the way it is with everyone in Marvel's 100 ton class."

Ok, I didn't think he was able to lift over 100 tons.
#6 Posted by Forever (4332 posts) - - Show Bio
Theracles said:
"Ok, I didn't think he was able to lift over 100 tons."

They always planned for him to get stronger.  Originally I believe that he lifted 70 tons and part of the explanation was that he was only about 17 years old and that he would be stronger as he grew a little older.  A few things have happened then, including his death and then resurrection but they have moved him up.  In fact a lot of marvel's powerhouses have been moved up the scales.  The Thing used to only lift 85 tons, Wonder Man could only lift about 90-95 tons, She-Hulk could only lift 75 tons there for a good while, but now they are all over 100 tons.
#7 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio
Forever said:
"Yes he can lift over 100 tons.  How much over is not clear.  However that is the way it is with everyone in Marvel's 100 ton class."
Most people who are class 100 only lift over that because they have some means of increasing their strength...Wonder Man,The Thing,and Colossus don't so never assumed they could lift more than that.
She-Hulk-Anger
Hulk-Anger
Thor-Thorforce
Hercules-God strength
Namor-Water
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#8 Posted by Theracles (1366 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"Forever said:
"Yes he can lift over 100 tons.  How much over is not clear.  However that is the way it is with everyone in Marvel's 100 ton class."
Most people who are class 100 only lift over that because they have some means of increasing their strength...Wonder Man,The Thing,and Colossus don't so never assumed they could lift more than that.
She-Hulk-Anger
Hulk-Anger
Thor-Thorforce
Hercules-God strength
Namor-Water
"

Ok, thanks.
#9 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio
Forever said:
"Yes he can lift over 100 tons.  How much over is not clear.  However that is the way it is with everyone in Marvel's 100 ton class."
#10 Posted by Forever (4332 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"Most people who are class 100 only lift over that because they have some means of increasing their strength...Wonder Man,The Thing,and Colossus don't so never assumed they could lift more than that.
She-Hulk-Anger
Hulk-Anger
Thor-Thorforce
Hercules-God strength
Namor-Water
"

Not necessarily.  Think of it this way.  The 100 tons limit is only there because that's where they stop measuring the strength of characters.  So even though Thor has been able to lift far in excess of 100 tons for a long time now, he is listed as being class 100 strength.  Well before he got the Thorforce, Thor has been shown to lift far in excess of 100 tons.  Sentry has been shown to as well.  Hulk started out only being able to lift 70 tons before his anger increased his strength so that is true.  Hercules is a god of strength or power but Thor has always been shown to be nearly his equal in strength.

Namor was listed at 100 tons but I've seen him easily lift a submarine which is considerably heavier than 100 tons.  By the way, Namor doesnt get boosted, his natural strength is what he has in the water.  Once he leaves the ocean, then his natural strength begins to fall.
#11 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio
Forever said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Most people who are class 100 only lift over that because they have some means of increasing their strength...Wonder Man,The Thing,and Colossus don't so never assumed they could lift more than that.
She-Hulk-Anger
Hulk-Anger
Thor-Thorforce
Hercules-God strength
Namor-Water
"

Not necessarily.  Think of it this way.  The 100 tons limit is only there because that's where they stop measuring the strength of characters.  So even though Thor has been able to lift far in excess of 100 tons for a long time now, he is listed as being class 100 strength.  Well before he got the Thorforce, Thor has been shown to lift far in excess of 100 tons.  Sentry has been shown to as well.  Hulk started out only being able to lift 70 tons before his anger increased his strength so that is true.  Hercules is a god of strength or power but Thor has always been shown to be nearly his equal in strength.

Namor was listed at 100 tons but I've seen him easily lift a submarine which is considerably heavier than 100 tons.  By the way, Namor doesnt get boosted, his natural strength is what he has in the water.  Once he leaves the ocean, then his natural strength begins to fall."
If Namor doesn't get a boost from being wet..why did he pour water on himself before fighting She-Hulk?
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#12 Posted by Forever (4332 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"If Namor doesn't get a boost from being wet..why did he pour water on himself before fighting She-Hulk?"

To get back to his normal strength.  His normal habitat is the water, just as Superman is normally under a yellow sun.  So he wasn't boosting his strength so much as trying to limit the weakening effect of being away from the water.
#13 Posted by Theracles (1366 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"Forever said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Most people who are class 100 only lift over that because they have some means of increasing their strength...Wonder Man,The Thing,and Colossus don't so never assumed they could lift more than that.
She-Hulk-Anger
Hulk-Anger
Thor-Thorforce
Hercules-God strength
Namor-Water
"

Not necessarily.  Think of it this way.  The 100 tons limit is only there because that's where they stop measuring the strength of characters.  So even though Thor has been able to lift far in excess of 100 tons for a long time now, he is listed as being class 100 strength.  Well before he got the Thorforce, Thor has been shown to lift far in excess of 100 tons.  Sentry has been shown to as well.  Hulk started out only being able to lift 70 tons before his anger increased his strength so that is true.  Hercules is a god of strength or power but Thor has always been shown to be nearly his equal in strength.

Namor was listed at 100 tons but I've seen him easily lift a submarine which is considerably heavier than 100 tons.  By the way, Namor doesnt get boosted, his natural strength is what he has in the water.  Once he leaves the ocean, then his natural strength begins to fall."
If Namor doesn't get a boost from being wet..why did he pour water on himself before fighting She-Hulk?"
Because once he is out of contact with water he is no longer in the class 100, he is below that, and Hercules is stronger than Thor without the Odinforce.
#14 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio
Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Forever said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Most people who are class 100 only lift over that because they have some means of increasing their strength...Wonder Man,The Thing,and Colossus don't so never assumed they could lift more than that.
She-Hulk-Anger
Hulk-Anger
Thor-Thorforce
Hercules-God strength
Namor-Water
"

Not necessarily.  Think of it this way.  The 100 tons limit is only there because that's where they stop measuring the strength of characters.  So even though Thor has been able to lift far in excess of 100 tons for a long time now, he is listed as being class 100 strength.  Well before he got the Thorforce, Thor has been shown to lift far in excess of 100 tons.  Sentry has been shown to as well.  Hulk started out only being able to lift 70 tons before his anger increased his strength so that is true.  Hercules is a god of strength or power but Thor has always been shown to be nearly his equal in strength.

Namor was listed at 100 tons but I've seen him easily lift a submarine which is considerably heavier than 100 tons.  By the way, Namor doesnt get boosted, his natural strength is what he has in the water.  Once he leaves the ocean, then his natural strength begins to fall."
If Namor doesn't get a boost from being wet..why did he pour water on himself before fighting She-Hulk?"
Because once he is out of contact with water he is no longer in the class 100, he is below that, and Hercules is stronger than Thor without the Odinforce."
I don't think Herc is stronger than Thor.
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#15 Posted by Forever (4332 posts) - - Show Bio

Hercules and Thor have been depicted as being about the same strength, well before Thor got the Odinforce.  So whichever one is stronger, it's by a miniscule amount.

#16 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio
Forever said:
"Hercules and Thor have been depicted as being about the same strength, well before Thor got the Odinforce.  So whichever one is stronger, it's by a miniscule amount."
Do you think that dragging Manhattan would be a more powerful feat than lifiting the Midgard Serpent?
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#17 Posted by Theracles (1366 posts) - - Show Bio
Forever said:
"Hercules and Thor have been depicted as being about the same strength, well before Thor got the Odinforce.  So whichever one is stronger, it's by a miniscule amount."

I don't really agree much to that, current Hercules (Incredible Herc) seems much stronger than Thor without the Odinforce, his feats are greater but Hercules's strenght isn't at his fullest, Zeus took his immortality and a great deal of his power leaving Hercules at the class 100 but he is still able to lift much more than a 100 tons but if Zeus gives him back all his power, who knows how strong he would be.
#18 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio
Theracles said:
"Forever said:
"Hercules and Thor have been depicted as being about the same strength, well before Thor got the Odinforce.  So whichever one is stronger, it's by a miniscule amount."

I don't really agree much to that, current Hercules (Incredible Herc) seems much stronger than Thor without the Odinforce, his feats are greater but Hercules's strenght isn't at his fullest, Zeus took his immortality and a great deal of his power leaving Hercules at the class 100 but he is still able to lift much more than a 100 tons but if Zeus gives him back all his power, who knows how strong he would be."
What feats has he done then?
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#19 Posted by Theracles (1366 posts) - - Show Bio

Lifting the Earth, lifting Marvel's version of Godzilla, lifting and hurling a giant-sequioa, dragging Manhattan back in to place, lifting a starship and more. Besides even if they were at the same level of strenght, Hercules doesn't have his full power since Zeus stripped him of his godly abilities.

#20 Posted by Forever (4332 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"Do you think that dragging Manhattan would be a more powerful feat than lifiting the Midgard Serpent?"

That's impossible to tell.  There were two instances that I remember of Thor lifting the Serpent.  One when he lifted just a section of it, which would undoubtedly be less of a feat the towing Manhattan, but the other instance Thor was fishing from a boat in space, hooked the Midgard Serpent and was reeling him in.  That might be a feat that would surpass towing Manhattan.  Lifting something is far more difficult than towing it, but without knowing the weight of the Serpent I couldnt tell you if it was more of a feat or not.

Theracles said:
"I don't really agree much to that, current Hercules (Incredible Herc) seems much stronger than Thor without the Odinforce, his feats are greater but Hercules's strenght isn't at his fullest, Zeus took his immortality and a great deal of his power leaving Hercules at the class 100 but he is still able to lift much more than a 100 tons but if Zeus gives him back all his power, who knows how strong he would be."

When Hercules first appeared in Marvel he was at full strength.  In his first appearances against Thor, in which they were depicted as being about the same strength, Hercules was still at full power.  It was not until sometime in the 90s that Zeus removed some of Hercules' power and it wasnt until after that that Thor had permanently gained the Odinforce.  So I'm talking about a long and well established time period in which both characters were at their classic best (yet no Odinforce) and yet were depicted as being about the same level of strength.
#21 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio
Theracles said:
"Lifting the Earth, lifting Marvel's version of Godzilla, lifting and hurling a giant-sequioa, dragging Manhattan back in to place, lifting a starship and more. Besides even if they were at the same level of strenght, Hercules doesn't have his full power since Zeus stripped him of his godly abilities."
He didn't actually lift earth.
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#22 Posted by Theracles (1366 posts) - - Show Bio
Forever said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Do you think that dragging Manhattan would be a more powerful feat than lifiting the Midgard Serpent?"

That's impossible to tell.  There were two instances that I remember of Thor lifting the Serpent.  One when he lifted just a section of it, which would undoubtedly be less of a feat the towing Manhattan, but the other instance Thor was fishing from a boat in space, hooked the Midgard Serpent and was reeling him in.  That might be a feat that would surpass towing Manhattan.  Lifting something is far more difficult than towing it, but without knowing the weight of the Serpent I couldnt tell you if it was more of a feat or not.

Theracles said:
"I don't really agree much to that, current Hercules (Incredible Herc) seems much stronger than Thor without the Odinforce, his feats are greater but Hercules's strenght isn't at his fullest, Zeus took his immortality and a great deal of his power leaving Hercules at the class 100 but he is still able to lift much more than a 100 tons but if Zeus gives him back all his power, who knows how strong he would be."

When Hercules first appeared in Marvel he was at full strength.  In his first appearances against Thor, in which they were depicted as being about the same strength, Hercules was still at full power.  It was not until sometime in the 90s that Zeus removed some of Hercules' power and it wasnt until after that that Thor had permanently gained the Odinforce.  So I'm talking about a long and well established time period in which both characters were at their classic best (yet no Odinforce) and yet were depicted as being about the same level of strength.
"
That might be the case but Thor was equal to him in the fight because of his thunder powers, Marvel has announce it themselves that Hercules is stronger than Thor. In the preview for Hulk vs Hercules: When Titans Collide, Marvel wasn't even sure who is stronger and they still aren't thats why they keep on making comic books where Hulk fights Hercules, Thor wasn't on Hulk's level of strenght before gaining the Odinforce. Hercules and Thor have fought multiple times, even when Hercules lost a great deal of his power and they were evenly matched.
#23 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio
Theracles said:
"Forever said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Do you think that dragging Manhattan would be a more powerful feat than lifiting the Midgard Serpent?"

That's impossible to tell.  There were two instances that I remember of Thor lifting the Serpent.  One when he lifted just a section of it, which would undoubtedly be less of a feat the towing Manhattan, but the other instance Thor was fishing from a boat in space, hooked the Midgard Serpent and was reeling him in.  That might be a feat that would surpass towing Manhattan.  Lifting something is far more difficult than towing it, but without knowing the weight of the Serpent I couldnt tell you if it was more of a feat or not.

Theracles said:
"I don't really agree much to that, current Hercules (Incredible Herc) seems much stronger than Thor without the Odinforce, his feats are greater but Hercules's strenght isn't at his fullest, Zeus took his immortality and a great deal of his power leaving Hercules at the class 100 but he is still able to lift much more than a 100 tons but if Zeus gives him back all his power, who knows how strong he would be."

When Hercules first appeared in Marvel he was at full strength.  In his first appearances against Thor, in which they were depicted as being about the same strength, Hercules was still at full power.  It was not until sometime in the 90s that Zeus removed some of Hercules' power and it wasnt until after that that Thor had permanently gained the Odinforce.  So I'm talking about a long and well established time period in which both characters were at their classic best (yet no Odinforce) and yet were depicted as being about the same level of strength.
"
That might be the case but Thor was equal to him in the fight because of his thunder powers, Marvel has announce it themselves that Hercules is stronger than Thor. In the preview for Hulk vs Hercules: When Titans Collide, Marvel wasn't even sure who is stronger and they still aren't thats why they keep on making comic books where Hulk fights Hercules, Thor wasn't on Hulk's level of strenght before gaining the Odinforce. Hercules and Thor have fought multiple times, even when Hercules lost a great deal of his power and they were evenly matched."
Hulk and Herc were never evenly matched.
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#24 Posted by Theracles (1366 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
"Forever said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Do you think that dragging Manhattan would be a more powerful feat than lifiting the Midgard Serpent?"

That's impossible to tell.  There were two instances that I remember of Thor lifting the Serpent.  One when he lifted just a section of it, which would undoubtedly be less of a feat the towing Manhattan, but the other instance Thor was fishing from a boat in space, hooked the Midgard Serpent and was reeling him in.  That might be a feat that would surpass towing Manhattan.  Lifting something is far more difficult than towing it, but without knowing the weight of the Serpent I couldnt tell you if it was more of a feat or not.

Theracles said:
"I don't really agree much to that, current Hercules (Incredible Herc) seems much stronger than Thor without the Odinforce, his feats are greater but Hercules's strenght isn't at his fullest, Zeus took his immortality and a great deal of his power leaving Hercules at the class 100 but he is still able to lift much more than a 100 tons but if Zeus gives him back all his power, who knows how strong he would be."

When Hercules first appeared in Marvel he was at full strength.  In his first appearances against Thor, in which they were depicted as being about the same strength, Hercules was still at full power.  It was not until sometime in the 90s that Zeus removed some of Hercules' power and it wasnt until after that that Thor had permanently gained the Odinforce.  So I'm talking about a long and well established time period in which both characters were at their classic best (yet no Odinforce) and yet were depicted as being about the same level of strength.
"
That might be the case but Thor was equal to him in the fight because of his thunder powers, Marvel has announce it themselves that Hercules is stronger than Thor. In the preview for Hulk vs Hercules: When Titans Collide, Marvel wasn't even sure who is stronger and they still aren't thats why they keep on making comic books where Hulk fights Hercules, Thor wasn't on Hulk's level of strenght before gaining the Odinforce. Hercules and Thor have fought multiple times, even when Hercules lost a great deal of his power and they were evenly matched."
Hulk and Herc were never evenly matched."

So who is stronger?
#25 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio
Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
"Forever said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Do you think that dragging Manhattan would be a more powerful feat than lifiting the Midgard Serpent?"

That's impossible to tell.  There were two instances that I remember of Thor lifting the Serpent.  One when he lifted just a section of it, which would undoubtedly be less of a feat the towing Manhattan, but the other instance Thor was fishing from a boat in space, hooked the Midgard Serpent and was reeling him in.  That might be a feat that would surpass towing Manhattan.  Lifting something is far more difficult than towing it, but without knowing the weight of the Serpent I couldnt tell you if it was more of a feat or not.

Theracles said:
"I don't really agree much to that, current Hercules (Incredible Herc) seems much stronger than Thor without the Odinforce, his feats are greater but Hercules's strenght isn't at his fullest, Zeus took his immortality and a great deal of his power leaving Hercules at the class 100 but he is still able to lift much more than a 100 tons but if Zeus gives him back all his power, who knows how strong he would be."

When Hercules first appeared in Marvel he was at full strength.  In his first appearances against Thor, in which they were depicted as being about the same strength, Hercules was still at full power.  It was not until sometime in the 90s that Zeus removed some of Hercules' power and it wasnt until after that that Thor had permanently gained the Odinforce.  So I'm talking about a long and well established time period in which both characters were at their classic best (yet no Odinforce) and yet were depicted as being about the same level of strength.
"
That might be the case but Thor was equal to him in the fight because of his thunder powers, Marvel has announce it themselves that Hercules is stronger than Thor. In the preview for Hulk vs Hercules: When Titans Collide, Marvel wasn't even sure who is stronger and they still aren't thats why they keep on making comic books where Hulk fights Hercules, Thor wasn't on Hulk's level of strenght before gaining the Odinforce. Hercules and Thor have fought multiple times, even when Hercules lost a great deal of his power and they were evenly matched."
Hulk and Herc were never evenly matched."

So who is stronger?"
Hulk.
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#26 Posted by Theracles (1366 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
"Forever said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Do you think that dragging Manhattan would be a more powerful feat than lifiting the Midgard Serpent?"

That's impossible to tell.  There were two instances that I remember of Thor lifting the Serpent.  One when he lifted just a section of it, which would undoubtedly be less of a feat the towing Manhattan, but the other instance Thor was fishing from a boat in space, hooked the Midgard Serpent and was reeling him in.  That might be a feat that would surpass towing Manhattan.  Lifting something is far more difficult than towing it, but without knowing the weight of the Serpent I couldnt tell you if it was more of a feat or not.

Theracles said:
"I don't really agree much to that, current Hercules (Incredible Herc) seems much stronger than Thor without the Odinforce, his feats are greater but Hercules's strenght isn't at his fullest, Zeus took his immortality and a great deal of his power leaving Hercules at the class 100 but he is still able to lift much more than a 100 tons but if Zeus gives him back all his power, who knows how strong he would be."

When Hercules first appeared in Marvel he was at full strength.  In his first appearances against Thor, in which they were depicted as being about the same strength, Hercules was still at full power.  It was not until sometime in the 90s that Zeus removed some of Hercules' power and it wasnt until after that that Thor had permanently gained the Odinforce.  So I'm talking about a long and well established time period in which both characters were at their classic best (yet no Odinforce) and yet were depicted as being about the same level of strength.
"
That might be the case but Thor was equal to him in the fight because of his thunder powers, Marvel has announce it themselves that Hercules is stronger than Thor. In the preview for Hulk vs Hercules: When Titans Collide, Marvel wasn't even sure who is stronger and they still aren't thats why they keep on making comic books where Hulk fights Hercules, Thor wasn't on Hulk's level of strenght before gaining the Odinforce. Hercules and Thor have fought multiple times, even when Hercules lost a great deal of his power and they were evenly matched."
Hulk and Herc were never evenly matched."

So who is stronger?"
Hulk."

I remember on one of my threads that you said Herc is stronger.
#27 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio
Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
"Forever said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Do you think that dragging Manhattan would be a more powerful feat than lifiting the Midgard Serpent?"

That's impossible to tell.  There were two instances that I remember of Thor lifting the Serpent.  One when he lifted just a section of it, which would undoubtedly be less of a feat the towing Manhattan, but the other instance Thor was fishing from a boat in space, hooked the Midgard Serpent and was reeling him in.  That might be a feat that would surpass towing Manhattan.  Lifting something is far more difficult than towing it, but without knowing the weight of the Serpent I couldnt tell you if it was more of a feat or not.

Theracles said:
"I don't really agree much to that, current Hercules (Incredible Herc) seems much stronger than Thor without the Odinforce, his feats are greater but Hercules's strenght isn't at his fullest, Zeus took his immortality and a great deal of his power leaving Hercules at the class 100 but he is still able to lift much more than a 100 tons but if Zeus gives him back all his power, who knows how strong he would be."

When Hercules first appeared in Marvel he was at full strength.  In his first appearances against Thor, in which they were depicted as being about the same strength, Hercules was still at full power.  It was not until sometime in the 90s that Zeus removed some of Hercules' power and it wasnt until after that that Thor had permanently gained the Odinforce.  So I'm talking about a long and well established time period in which both characters were at their classic best (yet no Odinforce) and yet were depicted as being about the same level of strength.
"
That might be the case but Thor was equal to him in the fight because of his thunder powers, Marvel has announce it themselves that Hercules is stronger than Thor. In the preview for Hulk vs Hercules: When Titans Collide, Marvel wasn't even sure who is stronger and they still aren't thats why they keep on making comic books where Hulk fights Hercules, Thor wasn't on Hulk's level of strenght before gaining the Odinforce. Hercules and Thor have fought multiple times, even when Hercules lost a great deal of his power and they were evenly matched."
Hulk and Herc were never evenly matched."

So who is stronger?"
Hulk."

I remember on one of my threads that you said Herc is stronger."
Never.
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#28 Posted by Forever (4332 posts) - - Show Bio
Theracles said:
"That might be the case but Thor was equal to him in the fight because of his thunder powers, Marvel has announce it themselves that Hercules is stronger than Thor. In the preview for Hulk vs Hercules: When Titans Collide, Marvel wasn't even sure who is stronger and they still aren't thats why they keep on making comic books where Hulk fights Hercules, Thor wasn't on Hulk's level of strenght before gaining the Odinforce. Hercules and Thor have fought multiple times, even when Hercules lost a great deal of his power and they were evenly matched."

Thor wasn't on Hulk's level of strength because Hulk's strength keeps increasing during the fight.  Hercules is able to continue to fight hand to hand with Hulk because Hercules is a better hand to hand fighter then Thor is.  I'm not talking about Thor being able to compete with Hercules because Thor uses his weather powers.  Thor wasn't using them.  It wouldnt have been honorable to defeat Hercules that way.
#29 Posted by Theracles (1366 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
"Forever said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Do you think that dragging Manhattan would be a more powerful feat than lifiting the Midgard Serpent?"

That's impossible to tell.  There were two instances that I remember of Thor lifting the Serpent.  One when he lifted just a section of it, which would undoubtedly be less of a feat the towing Manhattan, but the other instance Thor was fishing from a boat in space, hooked the Midgard Serpent and was reeling him in.  That might be a feat that would surpass towing Manhattan.  Lifting something is far more difficult than towing it, but without knowing the weight of the Serpent I couldnt tell you if it was more of a feat or not.

Theracles said:
"I don't really agree much to that, current Hercules (Incredible Herc) seems much stronger than Thor without the Odinforce, his feats are greater but Hercules's strenght isn't at his fullest, Zeus took his immortality and a great deal of his power leaving Hercules at the class 100 but he is still able to lift much more than a 100 tons but if Zeus gives him back all his power, who knows how strong he would be."

When Hercules first appeared in Marvel he was at full strength.  In his first appearances against Thor, in which they were depicted as being about the same strength, Hercules was still at full power.  It was not until sometime in the 90s that Zeus removed some of Hercules' power and it wasnt until after that that Thor had permanently gained the Odinforce.  So I'm talking about a long and well established time period in which both characters were at their classic best (yet no Odinforce) and yet were depicted as being about the same level of strength.
"
That might be the case but Thor was equal to him in the fight because of his thunder powers, Marvel has announce it themselves that Hercules is stronger than Thor. In the preview for Hulk vs Hercules: When Titans Collide, Marvel wasn't even sure who is stronger and they still aren't thats why they keep on making comic books where Hulk fights Hercules, Thor wasn't on Hulk's level of strenght before gaining the Odinforce. Hercules and Thor have fought multiple times, even when Hercules lost a great deal of his power and they were evenly matched."
Hulk and Herc were never evenly matched."

So who is stronger?"
Hulk."

I remember on one of my threads that you said Herc is stronger."
Never."
You've already forgotten? It wasn't more than one month ago, I said that Hulk was stronger but then you said that Hulk isn't on Herc's level. I even sent you a PM about it. If you don't believe me, check your PM's.
#30 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio
Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
"Forever said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Do you think that dragging Manhattan would be a more powerful feat than lifiting the Midgard Serpent?"

That's impossible to tell.  There were two instances that I remember of Thor lifting the Serpent.  One when he lifted just a section of it, which would undoubtedly be less of a feat the towing Manhattan, but the other instance Thor was fishing from a boat in space, hooked the Midgard Serpent and was reeling him in.  That might be a feat that would surpass towing Manhattan.  Lifting something is far more difficult than towing it, but without knowing the weight of the Serpent I couldnt tell you if it was more of a feat or not.

Theracles said:
"I don't really agree much to that, current Hercules (Incredible Herc) seems much stronger than Thor without the Odinforce, his feats are greater but Hercules's strenght isn't at his fullest, Zeus took his immortality and a great deal of his power leaving Hercules at the class 100 but he is still able to lift much more than a 100 tons but if Zeus gives him back all his power, who knows how strong he would be."

When Hercules first appeared in Marvel he was at full strength.  In his first appearances against Thor, in which they were depicted as being about the same strength, Hercules was still at full power.  It was not until sometime in the 90s that Zeus removed some of Hercules' power and it wasnt until after that that Thor had permanently gained the Odinforce.  So I'm talking about a long and well established time period in which both characters were at their classic best (yet no Odinforce) and yet were depicted as being about the same level of strength.
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That might be the case but Thor was equal to him in the fight because of his thunder powers, Marvel has announce it themselves that Hercules is stronger than Thor. In the preview for Hulk vs Hercules: When Titans Collide, Marvel wasn't even sure who is stronger and they still aren't thats why they keep on making comic books where Hulk fights Hercules, Thor wasn't on Hulk's level of strenght before gaining the Odinforce. Hercules and Thor have fought multiple times, even when Hercules lost a great deal of his power and they were evenly matched."
Hulk and Herc were never evenly matched."

So who is stronger?"
Hulk."

I remember on one of my threads that you said Herc is stronger."
Never."
You've already forgotten? It wasn't more than one month ago, I said that Hulk was stronger but then you said that Hulk isn't on Herc's level. I even sent you a PM about it. If you don't believe me, check your PM's."
The thing is Herc at one point was stronger than Hulk.His level of anger is what puts Hulk on levels above Herc...but I think initially Herc may be stronger.A calm Hulk's strength isn't that vast.An angry Hulk's strength is incalculable.
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#31 Posted by Theracles (1366 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
"Forever said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Do you think that dragging Manhattan would be a more powerful feat than lifiting the Midgard Serpent?"

That's impossible to tell.  There were two instances that I remember of Thor lifting the Serpent.  One when he lifted just a section of it, which would undoubtedly be less of a feat the towing Manhattan, but the other instance Thor was fishing from a boat in space, hooked the Midgard Serpent and was reeling him in.  That might be a feat that would surpass towing Manhattan.  Lifting something is far more difficult than towing it, but without knowing the weight of the Serpent I couldnt tell you if it was more of a feat or not.

Theracles said:
"I don't really agree much to that, current Hercules (Incredible Herc) seems much stronger than Thor without the Odinforce, his feats are greater but Hercules's strenght isn't at his fullest, Zeus took his immortality and a great deal of his power leaving Hercules at the class 100 but he is still able to lift much more than a 100 tons but if Zeus gives him back all his power, who knows how strong he would be."

When Hercules first appeared in Marvel he was at full strength.  In his first appearances against Thor, in which they were depicted as being about the same strength, Hercules was still at full power.  It was not until sometime in the 90s that Zeus removed some of Hercules' power and it wasnt until after that that Thor had permanently gained the Odinforce.  So I'm talking about a long and well established time period in which both characters were at their classic best (yet no Odinforce) and yet were depicted as being about the same level of strength.
"
That might be the case but Thor was equal to him in the fight because of his thunder powers, Marvel has announce it themselves that Hercules is stronger than Thor. In the preview for Hulk vs Hercules: When Titans Collide, Marvel wasn't even sure who is stronger and they still aren't thats why they keep on making comic books where Hulk fights Hercules, Thor wasn't on Hulk's level of strenght before gaining the Odinforce. Hercules and Thor have fought multiple times, even when Hercules lost a great deal of his power and they were evenly matched."
Hulk and Herc were never evenly matched."

So who is stronger?"
Hulk."

I remember on one of my threads that you said Herc is stronger."
Never."
You've already forgotten? It wasn't more than one month ago, I said that Hulk was stronger but then you said that Hulk isn't on Herc's level. I even sent you a PM about it. If you don't believe me, check your PM's."
The thing is Herc at one point was stronger than Hulk.His level of anger is what puts Hulk on levels above Herc...but I think initially Herc may be stronger.A calm Hulk's strength isn't that vast.An angry Hulk's strength is incalculable."
Not incalculable but extremely high, if Herc ever gets his full power back he could definately beat Hulk.
#32 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio

It's incalculable....Iron Man said it out of his own mouth and it's in the WWH overview.

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#33 Posted by Eddie Brock/Venom (353 posts) - - Show Bio
Theracles said:
"

I have always wondered on how strong the russian giant is but I have surfed the internet multiple times to find out how strong Colossus is but I have encountered no result. So just how strong is Colossus?

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I dont know but I think its 100 tons either way he is strong enough to(like venom) go toe to toe with juggernaut and win a few times
#34 Posted by Alpha (7324 posts) - - Show Bio

I believe Hercules to stronger than Thor. His feats in comics has been greater. And he has done better against opponents like the Hulk without using a hammer.

#35 Posted by Meteorite (3351 posts) - - Show Bio
Forever said:
"Theracles said:
"Ok, I didn't think he was able to lift over 100 tons."

They always planned for him to get stronger.  Originally I believe that he lifted 70 tons and part of the explanation was that he was only about 17 years old and that he would be stronger as he grew a little older.  A few things have happened then, including his death and then resurrection but they have moved him up.  In fact a lot of marvel's powerhouses have been moved up the scales.  The Thing used to only lift 85 tons, Wonder Man could only lift about 90-95 tons, She-Hulk could only lift 75 tons there for a good while, but now they are all over 100 tons."
I thought Thing was like, 5 tons originally.
#36 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio
Meteorite said:
"Forever said:
"Theracles said:
"Ok, I didn't think he was able to lift over 100 tons."

They always planned for him to get stronger.  Originally I believe that he lifted 70 tons and part of the explanation was that he was only about 17 years old and that he would be stronger as he grew a little older.  A few things have happened then, including his death and then resurrection but they have moved him up.  In fact a lot of marvel's powerhouses have been moved up the scales.  The Thing used to only lift 85 tons, Wonder Man could only lift about 90-95 tons, She-Hulk could only lift 75 tons there for a good while, but now they are all over 100 tons."
I thought Thing was like, 5 tons originally."
Hell no.The Thing was never class 5.
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#37 Posted by Meteorite (3351 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"Meteorite said:
"Forever said:
"Theracles said:
"Ok, I didn't think he was able to lift over 100 tons."

They always planned for him to get stronger.  Originally I believe that he lifted 70 tons and part of the explanation was that he was only about 17 years old and that he would be stronger as he grew a little older.  A few things have happened then, including his death and then resurrection but they have moved him up.  In fact a lot of marvel's powerhouses have been moved up the scales.  The Thing used to only lift 85 tons, Wonder Man could only lift about 90-95 tons, She-Hulk could only lift 75 tons there for a good while, but now they are all over 100 tons."
I thought Thing was like, 5 tons originally."
Hell no.The Thing was never class 5."
But in the Super-Skrull's first appearance, Super-Skrull lifted a generator that weighed over 100 tons, then they said "As far as we know, the Thing can only lift a top of 5 tons". Or maybe it was 10 tons. One of the two.
#38 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio
Meteorite said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Meteorite said:
"Forever said:
"Theracles said:
"Ok, I didn't think he was able to lift over 100 tons."

They always planned for him to get stronger.  Originally I believe that he lifted 70 tons and part of the explanation was that he was only about 17 years old and that he would be stronger as he grew a little older.  A few things have happened then, including his death and then resurrection but they have moved him up.  In fact a lot of marvel's powerhouses have been moved up the scales.  The Thing used to only lift 85 tons, Wonder Man could only lift about 90-95 tons, She-Hulk could only lift 75 tons there for a good while, but now they are all over 100 tons."
I thought Thing was like, 5 tons originally."
Hell no.The Thing was never class 5."
But in the Super-Skrull's first appearance, Super-Skrull lifted a generator that weighed over 100 tons, then they said "As far as we know, the Thing can only lift a top of 5 tons". Or maybe it was 10 tons. One of the two."
It was neither..The Thing has never been that weak.
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#39 Posted by the creator (8560 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"It was neither..The Thing has never been that weak."
Actually he has been.
When he first became the Thing he was in a clay looking form (not the stoney form of today) and his strength level at that time was quoted as 5 tonnes.
Over time he has continued to mutate so that he reached 85 tonnes in the late 80's / early 90's.

Here's the excerpt from the OHOTMU of the time,

Strength Level: The Thing possesses superhuman strength, enabling him to lift (press) 85 tons. The Thing's strength grew considerably over the initial years of his career. At one early point in his life as the Thing, for example, he could only lift (press) 5 tons.


When the Super Skrull duplicated their power (at the time), the Thing''s strength had increased and this was reflected in the quoted strength of the Super Skrull being 10 tonnes but he could reach 15 tonnes when he was recieving a broadcast energy beam.
Obviously now, he also shows a much higher level of strength, much more comparable to the Thing in the 80's and 90's.

#40 Posted by Forever (4332 posts) - - Show Bio
Meteorite said:
"I thought Thing was like, 5 tons originally."

Vance Astro said:
"Hell no.The Thing was never class 5."

He was but that was only in his first appearances.  Like most bricks they increased his strength.  They needed him to be able to match up with bricks on other teams and with the stronger villains that had become popular in other comics.

the creator said:
"Actually he has been.
When he first became the Thing he was in a clay looking form (not the stoney form of today) and his strength level at that time was quoted as 5 tonnes.
Over time he has continued to mutate so that he reached 85 tonnes in the late 80's / early 90's.

Here's the excerpt from the OHOTMU of the time,

Strength Level: The Thing possesses superhuman strength, enabling him to lift (press) 85 tons. The Thing's strength grew considerably over the initial years of his career. At one early point in his life as the Thing, for example, he could only lift (press) 5 tons.


When the Super Skrull duplicated their power (at the time), the Thing''s strength had increased and this was reflected in the quoted strength of the Super Skrull being 10 tonnes but he could reach 15 tonnes when he was recieving a broadcast energy beam.
Obviously now, he also shows a much higher level of strength, much more comparable to the Thing in the 80's and 90's."

Decidedly true.
#41 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio
the creator said:
"Vance Astro said:
"It was neither..The Thing has never been that weak."
Actually he has been.
When he first became the Thing he was in a clay looking form (not the stoney form of today) and his strength level at that time was quoted as 5 tonnes.
Over time he has continued to mutate so that he reached 85 tonnes in the late 80's / early 90's.

Here's the excerpt from the OHOTMU of the time,

Strength Level: The Thing possesses superhuman strength, enabling him to lift (press) 85 tons. The Thing's strength grew considerably over the initial years of his career. At one early point in his life as the Thing, for example, he could only lift (press) 5 tons.


When the Super Skrull duplicated their power (at the time), the Thing''s strength had increased and this was reflected in the quoted strength of the Super Skrull being 10 tonnes but he could reach 15 tonnes when he was recieving a broadcast energy beam.
Obviously now, he also shows a much higher level of strength, much more comparable to the Thing in the 80's and 90's.

"
CLASS 5? LMFAO! I stand corrected.
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#42 Posted by Theracles (1366 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh and Hercules has done a feat greater than Thor such as lifitng the Earth, do I need to post a pic?

Herc lifting the Earth
I think Hercules was degraded, he looks as big as a continent.
#43 Posted by The_Martian (36980 posts) - - Show Bio
Theracles said:
"Oh and Hercules has done a feat greater than Thor such as lifitng the Earth, do I need to post a pic?

Herc lifting the Earth
I think Hercules was degraded, he looks as big as a continent."
Why was Herc so big?
#44 Posted by the creator (8560 posts) - - Show Bio

Theracles said:

"Oh and Hercules has done a feat greater than Thor such as lifitng the Earth, do I need to post a pic?

Herc lifting the Earth
I think Hercules was degraded, he looks as big as a continent."


many mythical feats performed by the 'gods' tend to have a bit of a fairy tale feel to them.
In this case Hercules should not be anyweher near the size of a continent.

#45 Posted by Theracles (1366 posts) - - Show Bio
the creator said:
"

Theracles said:

"Oh and Hercules has done a feat greater than Thor such as lifitng the Earth, do I need to post a pic?

Herc lifting the Earth
I think Hercules was degraded, he looks as big as a continent."


many mythical feats performed by the 'gods' tend to have a bit of a fairy tale feel to them.
In this case Hercules should not be anyweher near the size of a continent.

"
He must have been degraded because I read a comic book were he was fighting Atlas with his mace and they were the same size, maybe they degraded him because they wanted to make the character more interesting.
#46 Posted by Forever (4332 posts) - - Show Bio
Theracles said:
"He must have been degraded because I read a comic book were he was fighting Atlas with his mace and they were the same size, maybe they degraded him because they wanted to make the character more interesting."

You have to go back and look at his earliest appearances.  He was at his full power, with no mention of having been downgraded, when he faced Thor.  Zeus watched the two of them match up and later, there was even a few scenes where Hercules and Thor were reminded of an earlier battle that they had during the days of Ancient Greece.  Hercules was no more or less powerful then he has been for the majority of his appearances.
#47 Posted by the creator (8560 posts) - - Show Bio
Theracles said:
"the creator said:
"

Theracles said:

"Oh and Hercules has done a feat greater than Thor such as lifitng the Earth, do I need to post a pic?

Herc lifting the Earth
I think Hercules was degraded, he looks as big as a continent."


many mythical feats performed by the 'gods' tend to have a bit of a fairy tale feel to them.
In this case Hercules should not be anyweher near the size of a continent.

"
He must have been degraded because I read a comic book were he was fighting Atlas with his mace and they were the same size, maybe they degraded him because they wanted to make the character more interesting."


As I cannot recall Hercules ever being able to size change, maybe Atlas can and dropped in size to fight Hercules.
#48 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio
Theracles said:
"Oh and Hercules has done a feat greater than Thor such as lifitng the Earth, do I need to post a pic?

Herc lifting the Earth
I think Hercules was degraded, he looks as big as a continent."
Somthing is wrong with this picture and you know it.I don't use this as a feat for him anymore because either the Earth was shrunk to a smaller size so he could carry it or he was bigger...not to mention the fact...where is back is touching the earth...that's where water is..same with where his hands are placed.You couldn't grab that of the earth.....
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#49 Posted by Theracles (1366 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
"Oh and Hercules has done a feat greater than Thor such as lifitng the Earth, do I need to post a pic?

Herc lifting the Earth
I think Hercules was degraded, he looks as big as a continent."
Somthing is wrong with this picture and you know it.I don't use this as a feat for him anymore because either the Earth was shrunk to a smaller size so he could carry it or he was bigger...not to mention the fact...where is back is touching the earth...that's where water is..same with where his hands are placed.You couldn't grab that of the earth....."

I know but it is a comic book, it is mostly based on fictional things though he is too big there, he shouldn't even be seen lifting the Earth at all because a normal person would be too small to be seen lifting the Earth, Marvel may have made a mistake.
#50 Posted by the creator (8560 posts) - - Show Bio
Theracles said:
"I know but it is a comic book, it is mostly based on fictional things though he is too big there, he shouldn't even be seen lifting the Earth at all because a normal person would be too small to be seen lifting the Earth, Marvel may have made a mistake."
Or alternatively, it might be a mystical effect of the locale - Atlas's prison. Perhaps a mystical effect in place there enables the being taking the position to support the Earth (or a linked mystical representation of it) without damaging it.

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