Does Anybody Think Colossonaut is Permanent?

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#1 Posted by Lea_Drago (276 posts) - - Show Bio

He's been this way since Fear Itself. Does anybody think this is going to be a permanent development for him?

#2 Posted by Kallarkz (3303 posts) - - Show Bio

Of course it's not.

#3 Posted by gwilburn12 (36 posts) - - Show Bio

Nah, not at all. It was only done to kind of reinvent Colossus for a bit and give a different perspective with Juggernaut. Its only a matter of time before Cain Marko is back in the fray and gets his powers back

#4 Posted by Rickbarry (1752 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't believe it's permanent either, but I've no idea how he'll get rid of the Juggy powers. Cyttorak digs the guy.

#5 Posted by Grey56 (728 posts) - - Show Bio

It'd be tough to imagine them not returning such a staple villain/character to the X mythos. Cain's been at it since issue 12 - so he has some cache in the community. As to when - I imagine that after this Phoenix story finishes up there'll be some return to normalcy. I say that - but with NOW! coming into view it might be longer. Of this though I feel certain - Marvel will come back to the well again because that's where their base demographic lies.

#6 Posted by AweSam (7373 posts) - - Show Bio

It's a comic, nothing is permanent.

#7 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (5772 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think this is permanent either because sooner or later, Cain Marko will have to come back to take his place as the real Juggernaut again and Colossus is more iconic as the gentle Russian steel giant than as the Juggernaut.

#8 Posted by God_Spawn (37300 posts) - - Show Bio

No. But I don't see them ridding him of it any time soon. I don't feel like it has run it's course yet, but with Marvel NOW it is possible I guess.

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#9 Posted by Aiden Cross (15562 posts) - - Show Bio

God i hope not..

#10 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (5772 posts) - - Show Bio
@god_spawn said:

No. But I don't see them ridding him of it any time soon. I don't feel like it has run it's course yet, but with Marvel NOW it is possible I guess.

Yeah, I also don't see Marvel really getting rid of the Cyttorak powers yet since he just got them, but I'm not sure about how Marvel NOW will go.
#11 Posted by TDK_1997 (14456 posts) - - Show Bio

No.It's too soon to change him back but next year maybe.

#12 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (5772 posts) - - Show Bio
@TDK_1997 said:

No.It's too soon to change him back but next year maybe.

I agree.
#13 Posted by AgeofHurricane (7261 posts) - - Show Bio

Bumping for certain reasons.

#14 Posted by cosmicallyaware1 (4252 posts) - - Show Bio

both colossus and juggernaut respectively are two of my favorite characters, and i look forward to them being seperate entities again. cool concept and stories, dug it for a bit, but let's get back to cain as juggernaut and peter as plain old colossus.

#15 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (5772 posts) - - Show Bio
@cosmicallyaware1 said:

both colossus and juggernaut respectively are two of my favorite characters, and i look forward to them being seperate entities again. cool concept and stories, dug it for a bit, but let's get back to cain as juggernaut and peter as plain old colossus.

I would love to see Colossus and Juggernaut as separate people again also. There could be more stories done with Colossus if he is separated from the Cyttorak (although there can be more stories of Colossus as Juggernaut if Marvel takes this opportunity).
#16 Posted by allthatsgeek (127 posts) - - Show Bio

@AgeofHurricane: Bumped because Colossus is awesome? I can dig it.

I'm honestly not too sure where Pete is gonna wind up here. Post Marvel NOW! there is nothing of any of the phoenix five, so who knows, as well as the October Solicits for DarkThunderVengerBolts say Cain Marko is making a comeback. I'm really hoping Petey dosn't get killed off at the end of AvX, or "time displaced" or some such BS. He really seems like the only member of the P5 who DIDN'T abuse his power (The tantrum at the school dosn't count, because well...FLOODING A NATION > busting a statue). Also, his developments on Adjective less X-Men have been amazing, I totally marked out when he basically said to Storm "Um, I've been around just as long as you, you will speak to me as an equal". So yeah, let's hope Colossus stays on the board in October.

#17 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (5772 posts) - - Show Bio
@allthatsgeek said:

@AgeofHurricane: Bumped because Colossus is awesome? I can dig it.

I'm honestly not too sure where Pete is gonna wind up here. Post Marvel NOW! there is nothing of any of the phoenix five, so who knows, as well as the October Solicits for DarkThunderVengerBolts say Cain Marko is making a comeback. I'm really hoping Petey dosn't get killed off at the end of AvX, or "time displaced" or some such BS. He really seems like the only member of the P5 who DIDN'T abuse his power (The tantrum at the school dosn't count, because well...FLOODING A NATION > busting a statue). Also, his developments on Adjective less X-Men have been amazing, I totally marked out when he basically said to Storm "Um, I've been around just as long as you, you will speak to me as an equal". So yeah, let's hope Colossus stays on the board in October.

I hope Colossus sticks around after AvX. There's so many stories they could do with him, but if he doesn't show up in Marvel NOW, he might show up later on or next year since not all the solicits have been released yet.
#18 Posted by Brazen_Intellect (1144 posts) - - Show Bio

No, as part of the end of AvX I expect him to lose all his additional Juggs and Phoenix abilities. And it cannot happen soon enough.

#19 Posted by JonSmith (3988 posts) - - Show Bio

Guys, guys, guys. You're all saying that there's no way it's permanent, that sooner or later it'll be Cain Marko Juggernaut again. But you're forgetting a similar occurence:

Eddie Brock STILL isn't back to being Venom. So maybe it is permanent.

(Personally I highly doubt it, and would be kind of bummed if it was, but it IS a possibility.)

#20 Posted by God_Spawn (37300 posts) - - Show Bio

He will more than likely still be the Juggernaut post AvX.

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#21 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (5772 posts) - - Show Bio
@Brazen_Intellect said:

No, as part of the end of AvX I expect him to lose all his additional Juggs and Phoenix abilities. And it cannot happen soon enough.

What I do wonder is, what will they do with Colossus if he does lose all of his Phoenix and Juggernaut powers?
#22 Posted by 244 (496 posts) - - Show Bio

@allthatsgeek said:

@AgeofHurricane: He really seems like the only member of the P5 who DIDN'T abuse his power

If the other writers are aware about Magik's history, she would know what the power of the dark phoenix can do to a person. She has experiences with dark possession before (being demonically corrupted or "possessed" from demonic power and thus assuming the darkchilde side at times) so she wouldn't allow herself to be corrupted by the phoenix force. It's bad enough that she has to experience with corruption again because she just got back her humanity by reclaiming her soul (from Zeb Wells' last New Mutants issue), but some of the marvel staff aren't aware about her new status quo yet. They assume she's still a demonic "anti-hero" than how she's being portrayed in Uncanny X-men so far by Kieron Gillen. Magik from UXN is being portrayed as uncharacteristically humane as a result of reclaiming her soul. Gillen really did got the memo about her new status quo. Sorry for my rant.

#23 Posted by samuel_larson_10 (283 posts) - - Show Bio

I was thinking he would keep it for like a decade or two but now with the reboot and everything I doubt it's gonna stay

#24 Posted by BiteMe-Fanboy (7542 posts) - - Show Bio

@JonSmith said:

Guys, guys, guys. You're all saying that there's no way it's permanent, that sooner or later it'll be Cain Marko Juggernaut again. But you're forgetting a similar occurence:

Eddie Brock STILL isn't back to being Venom. So maybe it is permanent.

(Personally I highly doubt it, and would be kind of bummed if it was, but it IS a possibility.)

This.

#25 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (5772 posts) - - Show Bio
@244 said:

@allthatsgeek said:

@AgeofHurricane: He really seems like the only member of the P5 who DIDN'T abuse his power

If the other writers are aware about Magik's history, she would know what the power of the dark phoenix can do to a person. She has experiences with dark possession before (being demonically corrupted or "possessed" from demonic power and thus assuming the darkchilde side at times) so she wouldn't allow herself to be corrupted by the phoenix force. It's bad enough that she has to experience with corruption again because she just got back her humanity by reclaiming her soul (from Zeb Wells' last New Mutants issue), but some of the marvel staff aren't aware about her new status quo yet. They assume she's still a demonic "anti-hero" than how she's being portrayed in Uncanny X-men so far by Kieron Gillen. Magik from UXN is being portrayed as uncharacteristically humane as a result of reclaiming her soul. Gillen really did got the memo about her new status quo. Sorry for my rant.

I agree. It's like the writers don't know anything about Magik's history and they don't really know what to do with her. I wish that they would make up their minds about what to do about Magik.
#26 Posted by allthatsgeek (127 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, Novembers solicits are out, does not bode well for the Ruskie: http://www.newsarama.com/comics/marvel-comics-november-2012-solicitations.html

Look for the Dark Avengers solicit.

#27 Posted by Rickbarry (1752 posts) - - Show Bio

@allthatsgeek: Yeah, I did noticed Cain is in his armor once more. Seems so strange that they're removing the powers from him after Cyttorak seemed to enjoy him a great deal more than Cain. Perhaps they'll be two? Doubtful.

#28 Posted by Blood1991 (8098 posts) - - Show Bio

@Aiden Cross said:

God i hope not..

This!

#29 Posted by moclab (21 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rickbarry: why wouldn't Cyttorak make two Juggernauts on apposing sides think of the destruction they would cause fighting each other and remember when Colossus spoke to him he said that all the destruction goes to him makes me wonder if everything either of the Juggernauts destroys only severs to make him stronger

#30 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (5772 posts) - - Show Bio
@allthatsgeek said:

Well, Novembers solicits are out, does not bode well for the Ruskie: http://www.newsarama.com/comics/marvel-comics-november-2012-solicitations.html

Look for the Dark Avengers solicit.

What will become of Colossus if he loses his Cyttorak powers?
#31 Posted by gwilburn12 (36 posts) - - Show Bio

Say what? November is right around the corner so Marvel better have some good explaining as to what is going on

#32 Posted by jhazzroucher (15062 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think it will be permanent

#33 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (5772 posts) - - Show Bio
@jhazzroucher said:

I don't think it will be permanent

I agree. There were even solicits about the real Juggernaut possibly coming back.
#34 Posted by Rickbarry (1752 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rabbitearsblog: I don't see how Colossus could lose the actual powers since...as of two issues ago Cyttorak loved Colossus even before he was an avatar of The Phoenix. Perhaps the last four issues of Uncanny will resole this or somehow Cain gets his own gem.

#35 Posted by Phaedrusgr (1667 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, if he loses the baldness, I can deal with that.

#36 Posted by Rickbarry (1752 posts) - - Show Bio

@Phaedrusgr: I understood why he actually is bald, but I don't understand why they decided to go down that path.

#37 Posted by JonSmith (3988 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rickbarry: Why, exactly, is he bald? Is it because the flat top couldn't fit in the helmet?

#38 Posted by Rickbarry (1752 posts) - - Show Bio

@JonSmith: Gillen was explaining it in an interview I read over at cbr. Magik protected the group from the natural dangers of the Crimson Cosmos. That's why she had a shield up. Colossus walked outside of the dome in order to claim the gem. So the magical fire/whatnot seared his hair away.

I do miss the flat top.

#39 Posted by Phaedrusgr (1667 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rickbarry: This awful look destroys the image I have in my mind for this gentle soul. Furthermore, esthetically it's totally abhorrent. Give this man a wig, please!

#40 Posted by Rickbarry (1752 posts) - - Show Bio

@Phaedrusgr: Ha. He actually looks better in the X-men run written by Wood. He still doesn't have hair, but you can see his hairline. It makes a difference strangely enough.

#41 Posted by Phaedrusgr (1667 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rickbarry: I haven't seen that. I trust your criteria and pray at least for that hairline!

#42 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (5772 posts) - - Show Bio
@Rickbarry said:

@Rabbitearsblog: I don't see how Colossus could lose the actual powers since...as of two issues ago Cyttorak loved Colossus even before he was an avatar of The Phoenix. Perhaps the last four issues of Uncanny will resole this or somehow Cain gets his own gem.

Given how the writers just constantly keep forgetting little details leading up to certain events, I wouldn't be surprised if they just gave Cain back his powers without a clear explanation.
#43 Edited by allthatsgeek (127 posts) - - Show Bio

@Phaedrusgr: I believe the change in hairstyle was actually supposed to do just that. This isn't the gentle giant Colossus we're dealing with atm. Right now we're dealing with a hero struggling to keep this unstoppable monster at bay, so I think for the character right now, it is quite fitting. It is also true that the artist greatly depends on how the hairline looks.

That being said, once he does eventually lose the Cytorrak powers, I await the return of the black chrome dome, and maybe hopefully a power amp-age so he can finally sit in the Thor/Herc Strength levels he's always belonged in. (I personally think it's silly anyone could ever debate a man made of rock v a man made of metal, but YAKNOW US COMIC NERDS)

@Rabbitearsblog: Is "It's convenient for the plot." a good enough excuse?

#44 Posted by Phaedrusgr (1667 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, I see your point, despite the fact that he remains at least deep down in his heart a gentle soul, let's say that I agree. Was the hair loss the best way to show this fight? Alas, if I ever have a fight with myself, will I have to lose my hair too? Haha. Anyway, Colossus deserves being there (next to Thor/Herc).

#45 Posted by Rickbarry (1752 posts) - - Show Bio

@allthatsgeek: I've no idea if they'll amp his power, but when he was trapped in his steel form last time his power was significantly amped. I'm pretty sure he's been locked up in this form longer than when he suffered the brain damage. *Shrugs* 'Course if they did amp him again he would be at Hulk/whatnot level. Whatever happened to Herc? The last I saw of him he was trying to wrestle Avengers naked.

#46 Posted by allthatsgeek (127 posts) - - Show Bio

@Phaedrusgr: I believe it was in one of the AvX fight issues where Colossus has an internal monologue "Most of my teammates havn't bothered to ask the obvious question: Why do i stay in my metal form? It's because in my normal form I am just a man, but in this form I am more, I am a hero, etc..." Very in character, good insight into his mind atm

@Rickbarry:Herc, de-powered, probably still naked, forgotten. Hopefully he'll get re-powered and brought back into prominence soon, he has been one of if not my favorite non-mutant in Marvel for the past like, decade.

#47 Posted by Rickbarry (1752 posts) - - Show Bio

@allthatsgeek: They certainly didn't depower his chest/back hair.

#48 Edited by allthatsgeek (127 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rickbarry: The only way to do that is to retcon his history so he's not Greek. Seriously, we're hairy bitches.

#49 Posted by jhazzroucher (15062 posts) - - Show Bio

It'll prolly be gone after AvX.

#50 Posted by allthatsgeek (127 posts) - - Show Bio

Only if he accepts the Juggernauts powers and it's seared off with magical fire. Wakka Wakka.

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