I'm mildly curious if anyone knows more about Colossus's power up since the fear itself arc. I can only assume his durability and strength have gone through the roof, but since it seems he's stuck in his armored form wouldn't that eliminate any weaknesses that Cain might have had as Juggernaut? If I'm not mistaken Colossus is highly resistant to magical artifacts/spells and basically telepathy proof, yes? I want to say those are the only two things that really had an effect on Cain while he was powered up.

Aside from his lack of hair, which I kind of dig, do we really know anything concrete about the guy?

I can only assume we'll get a little more information depending on who he actually rumbles with with the Avengers crossover.

Why would Cyclops destroy his helmet? Seems a little strange.

Yeah, I remember that in the commentary when he was battling Cain. I wasn't even aware he had 'bones' while armored up.

Yeah, I've noticed they describe Colossus as a "Steel Skinned Juggernaut." So...maybe that's their way of saying "OMG METAL MAKES HIM BETTER!"

@Kallarkz: Wow, I actually just read the issue. He disintegrated the helmet. Lame.

don't forget Cain was only powerful when he gave into his destructive urges, now take Colossus a man who is very calm and peaceful and give him high level destructive power. Just because he has it doesn't mean he will use it, matter of fact he could be slightly weaker, don't forget magic is a weird thing in Marvel. I feel like we will never get a real picture of how strong he is until he really cuts lose and gets destructive the way Cyttorak really wants him to do, after that we can talk

@Walker696 said:

don't forget Cain was only powerful when he gave into his destructive urges, now take Colossus a man who is very calm and peaceful and give him high level destructive power. Just because he has it doesn't mean he will use it, matter of fact he could be slightly weaker, don't forget magic is a weird thing in Marvel. I feel like we will never get a real picture of how strong he is until he really cuts lose and gets destructive the way Cyttorak really wants him to do, after that we can talk

Yeah, but it seems Colossus has a greater amount of control over the Juggernaut form than Cain ever had. It's not only a matter of summoning the bands or helmet, but he's actually not 'The Juggernaut' most of the time. I don't really think that speaks for the upper limits of his power, it's something Cain could never really do. I'd personally like to see Piotr's control over the power of Cytorrak gain him a new ability of some sort. I want to say Cain had a few abilities that he didn't know how to reproduce, but maybe Piotr, with the aid of his sister, could actually learn?

Yeah as of yet he has only been seen in battle/mission scenes so it's a possibility that he could be stuck but personally I don't think so. Also I'm confused, how exactly did he lose his hair? >_>

@Rickbarry Possible I would think if Cytorrak is pretty powerful then it stands to reason he could have other tricks up his sleeve though right now Piotr is pretty emotionally balanced since gaining Juggernaut powers.

@sirens_song: @Walker696: @PowerHerc: Does anyone remember when Colossus was stuck in his armored form indefinitely? His power increased from being stuck like that for so long. Do you think it applies now that he's always seen in his armored form as the new Juggernaut?

@PowerHerc: Yeah, well I was thinking ahead to him once he purges or loses the gem. I can't see them letting him be juggs on a permanent basis. Unless Cain somehow gets a gem of his own.

Hey look I revived a thread. Cool xD

@Rabbitearsblog Probably. I like Colossus as a sweet guy ;) Though its pretty interesting to see him with a lot of inner turmoil.

@Rabbitearsblog: @PowerHerc: @Kallarkz: I don't suppose anyone caught the latest issue of Uncanny this week? Gillen went to the way back machine and let Colossus amp himself up to where he was a few hundred feet in size. I remember Jugs being able to do this, but was unsure how to replicate. All went well until a few hundred Gambit bombs fell on the guy. lol.

@Blood1991: @PowerHerc: It's strange, but now that I went over the issue again it seems like that's the Gem of Cyttorak right in the heart of his chest. It wasn't there until he amped himself up. None of the other members of the P5 have anything that resembles it. Pretty cool.

@Blood1991: I've no idea. Likely doing his own thing after AvX if this whole divide with Storm goes where it seems.

@PowerHerc: *Shrugs* Three Madelyne Pryor's shouldn't have been able to take the others out either, eh? I was surprised with now easy Sinister was able to counter the P5. I thought they were omnipotent.

Bumping for certain reasons.

How about saying something rather than just saying "bumping for certain reasons". Actually add to the discussion.

what about his second stage of Juggernaut they only seem to show in glimpses of him powering up to and calming down from?

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@DEGRAAF: There's no defined limit to how powerful that version Colossus is at the moment. We do know he can demolish a Hulk with ease. If you combine that with his ability to use other classic juggernaut abilities listed on this topic then it's safe to say he's currently at Classic Juggernaut's strength. It's possible he's beyond that as Cyttorak is overly fond of him. 'Course with Gillen leaving UXM and that title stopping we may never see this form again.

@Rickbarry: WELL THAT SUCKS!!!!! I would like to see a mini started with him and his sister trying to help him conquer/control the juggernaut within him as someone else has stated. Where is the writer moving too?

I never liked Red Hulk anyways. Last i heard they made it so he can absorb energy again to get stronger. So he has all the abilities of Banner Hulk as well as his radiation heat expenditure.They should have left it so he could absorb energies.

@AgeofHurricane said:

Bumping for certain reasons.

Are you worried about the beat down he will give Storm and just don't want to admit those are the "reasons" ?

:PP

@gwilburn12 said:

How about saying something rather than just saying "bumping for certain reasons". Actually add to the discussion.

Practice what you preach, sugah'.

@god_spawn said:

@AgeofHurricane said:

Bumping for certain reasons.

Are you worried about the beat down he will give Storm and just don't want to admit those are the "reasons" ?

:PP

Well--well i never.

@DEGRAAF: I still believe the concept of the Red Hulk is silly.

@gwilburn12: i agree with you but why? What part do you dislike?

Just the concept of another Hulk but one that absorbs energy. Kind of over kill

Seems to me, they just dumbin' him down and dats dat bullshit. IF Cain was a natural human with no known powers until he was chosen by the gem to be the Juggernaut and he was as powerful as he was, then I know for a fact that Piotr in his normal human form would be just as powerful....and to add to dat, when he armor's up, his power should more than triple. The Gem of Cytorrak should give him the powers Cain possessed and more. He should be more than Unstoppable in both forms. Honestly, with the power boost he's gotten, he should be ranked right up there with WWH, SENTRY, AND THOR IN TERMS OF RAW POWER.

@Rickbarry: @Kallarkz:

if I remember right, Colossus stays in his steel form now b/c he is afraid of being completely overwhelmed by the power of Cyttorak. He "feels" less in his steel form than he does out of it so he stays in it to keep the power in check and to not let it consume him. The amped up/phase 2 version that Kieron Gillen used is what happens when he does begin to lose control

It's not so much that he feels less, it's more that he feels he is better able to resist the evil urges more in his metal form.As flesh and blood Piotr he is weak, but as Colossus he is a hero, and he can handle this burden.