Current strength level

#1 Posted by Rickbarry (1737 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm mildly curious if anyone knows more about Colossus's power up since the fear itself arc. I can only assume his durability and strength have gone through the roof, but since it seems he's stuck in his armored form wouldn't that eliminate any weaknesses that Cain might have had as Juggernaut? If I'm not mistaken Colossus is highly resistant to magical artifacts/spells and basically telepathy proof, yes? I want to say those are the only two things that really had an effect on Cain while he was powered up.

Aside from his lack of hair, which I kind of dig, do we really know anything concrete about the guy?

I can only assume we'll get a little more information depending on who he actually rumbles with with the Avengers crossover.

#2 Posted by Kallarkz (3303 posts) - - Show Bio

He is no longer telepathy proof. In UXM #2 (maybe #3) when Cyclops destroyed his helmet he was attacked and subdued by Sinisters telepathy despite being in his armored form.

He hasn't been seen going up against any magical artifacts yet that I know of.

He is considerably stronger and more durable in this form but exactly HOW much stronger is still unknown.

One thing is for certain though. Colossus is not being written on the power level of Cain. His armor is a tad weaker and even back in UXM #543 when he had the power of Cyttorak he mentioned how his bones were crumbling meaning that is not immune to all physical harm. (Can't have that on a team player ;p)

And it is not quite yet certain whether or not he is "stuck" in his armored form. We simply have not seen him in a relaxing setting where he wasn't with his team members and was just lounging around.

#3 Posted by Rickbarry (1737 posts) - - Show Bio

Why would Cyclops destroy his helmet? Seems a little strange.

Yeah, I remember that in the commentary when he was battling Cain. I wasn't even aware he had 'bones' while armored up.

#4 Posted by PowerHerc (78172 posts) - - Show Bio

It's gotta be off the charts.

#5 Posted by Rickbarry (1737 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, I've noticed they describe Colossus as a "Steel Skinned Juggernaut." So...maybe that's their way of saying "OMG METAL MAKES HIM BETTER!"

#6 Posted by Kallarkz (3303 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rickbarry said:

Why would Cyclops destroy his helmet? Seems a little strange.

Yeah, I remember that in the commentary when he was battling Cain. I wasn't even aware he had 'bones' while armored up.

so they could all be controlled. he had a reason id have to look it up though and i don't have it with me atm.

#7 Posted by Rickbarry (1737 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kallarkz: Wow, I actually just read the issue. He disintegrated the helmet. Lame.

#8 Posted by Walker696 (984 posts) - - Show Bio

don't forget Cain was only powerful when he gave into his destructive urges, now take Colossus a man who is very calm and peaceful and give him high level destructive power. Just because he has it doesn't mean he will use it, matter of fact he could be slightly weaker, don't forget magic is a weird thing in Marvel. I feel like we will never get a real picture of how strong he is until he really cuts lose and gets destructive the way Cyttorak really wants him to do, after that we can talk

#9 Edited by Rickbarry (1737 posts) - - Show Bio

@Walker696 said:

don't forget Cain was only powerful when he gave into his destructive urges, now take Colossus a man who is very calm and peaceful and give him high level destructive power. Just because he has it doesn't mean he will use it, matter of fact he could be slightly weaker, don't forget magic is a weird thing in Marvel. I feel like we will never get a real picture of how strong he is until he really cuts lose and gets destructive the way Cyttorak really wants him to do, after that we can talk

Yeah, but it seems Colossus has a greater amount of control over the Juggernaut form than Cain ever had. It's not only a matter of summoning the bands or helmet, but he's actually not 'The Juggernaut' most of the time. I don't really think that speaks for the upper limits of his power, it's something Cain could never really do. I'd personally like to see Piotr's control over the power of Cytorrak gain him a new ability of some sort. I want to say Cain had a few abilities that he didn't know how to reproduce, but maybe Piotr, with the aid of his sister, could actually learn?

#10 Posted by sirens_song (7 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah as of yet he has only been seen in battle/mission scenes so it's a possibility that he could be stuck but personally I don't think so. Also I'm confused, how exactly did he lose his hair? >_>

Possible I would think if Cytorrak is pretty powerful then it stands to reason he could have other tricks up his sleeve though right now Piotr is pretty emotionally balanced since gaining Juggernaut powers.

#11 Posted by Rickbarry (1737 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirens_song: @Walker696: @PowerHerc: Does anyone remember when Colossus was stuck in his armored form indefinitely? His power increased from being stuck like that for so long. Do you think it applies now that he's always seen in his armored form as the new Juggernaut?

#12 Posted by PowerHerc (78172 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rickbarry: I remember that. I don't know if it still applies or not or if it would even matter.

Whatever additional strength he'd get would be like adding a match to a forest fire; it would add so very little strength (relatively speaking) to his already currently incomprehensible level that it wouldn't even matter.

#13 Posted by Rickbarry (1737 posts) - - Show Bio

@PowerHerc: Yeah, well I was thinking ahead to him once he purges or loses the gem. I can't see them letting him be juggs on a permanent basis. Unless Cain somehow gets a gem of his own.

#14 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (5690 posts) - - Show Bio
@Rickbarry said:

@PowerHerc: Yeah, well I was thinking ahead to him once he purges or loses the gem. I can't see them letting him be juggs on a permanent basis. Unless Cain somehow gets a gem of his own.

Yeah, I don't think that Marvel would let Colossus stay Juggernaut for too long. It might ruin the merchandising for him.
#15 Posted by sirens_song (7 posts) - - Show Bio

Hey look I revived a thread. Cool xD

Probably. I like Colossus as a sweet guy ;) Though its pretty interesting to see him with a lot of inner turmoil.

#16 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (5690 posts) - - Show Bio
@sirens_song said:

Hey look I revived a thread. Cool xD

@Rabbitearsblog Probably. I like Colossus as a sweet guy ;) Though its pretty interesting to see him with a lot of inner turmoil.

Yeah, for once I want to see a sweet person in the X-Men again since Nightcrawler died.
#17 Posted by Rickbarry (1737 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rabbitearsblog: @PowerHerc: @Kallarkz: I don't suppose anyone caught the latest issue of Uncanny this week? Gillen went to the way back machine and let Colossus amp himself up to where he was a few hundred feet in size. I remember Jugs being able to do this, but was unsure how to replicate. All went well until a few hundred Gambit bombs fell on the guy. lol.

#18 Posted by Blood1991 (8098 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rickbarry: That was awesome though the Gambits calling him "chere" was a little weird. Colossus's strength must be outrageous right now. The gem, PF, and his own power. With AVX giving him another boost after Namor was trashed he must be crazy amped up.

#19 Posted by PowerHerc (78172 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rickbarry said:

@Rabbitearsblog: @PowerHerc: @Kallarkz: I don't suppose anyone caught the latest issue of Uncanny this week? Gillen went to the way back machine and let Colossus amp himself up to where he was a few hundred feet in size. I remember Jugs being able to do this, but was unsure how to replicate. All went well until a few hundred Gambit bombs fell on the guy. lol.

I didn't see it but "Gambit bombs" . . . Ugh!

#20 Posted by Rickbarry (1737 posts) - - Show Bio

@Blood1991: @PowerHerc: It's strange, but now that I went over the issue again it seems like that's the Gem of Cyttorak right in the heart of his chest. It wasn't there until he amped himself up. None of the other members of the P5 have anything that resembles it. Pretty cool.

#21 Posted by Blood1991 (8098 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rickbarry said:

@Blood1991: @PowerHerc: It's strange, but now that I went over the issue again it seems like that's the Gem of Cyttorak right in the heart of his chest. It wasn't there until he amped himself up. None of the other members of the P5 have anything that resembles it. Pretty cool.

I loved the display of what they are really capable of, and looking now I think your right about the gem. Oh Colossus what is Marvel going to do with you...

#22 Posted by Rickbarry (1737 posts) - - Show Bio

@Blood1991: I've no idea. Likely doing his own thing after AvX if this whole divide with Storm goes where it seems.

#23 Posted by Blood1991 (8098 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rickbarry: I hope they find some common ground if Uncanny is being cancelled then that seems to be the best place for him to be and I think Wood did a pretty good job with him. Still the team does seem to be going in the all girl squad direction.

#24 Posted by PowerHerc (78172 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rickbarry:

Colossus' enormous size and power is cool.

Him being felled by "Gambit bombs" is not. There is no way they should've had any effect on him at all.

#25 Posted by Rickbarry (1737 posts) - - Show Bio

@PowerHerc: *Shrugs* Three Madelyne Pryor's shouldn't have been able to take the others out either, eh? I was surprised with now easy Sinister was able to counter the P5. I thought they were omnipotent.

#26 Posted by AgeofHurricane (7202 posts) - - Show Bio

Bumping for certain reasons.

#27 Posted by gwilburn12 (35 posts) - - Show Bio

How about saying something rather than just saying "bumping for certain reasons". Actually add to the discussion.

#28 Edited by DEGRAAF (7811 posts) - - Show Bio

what about his second stage of Juggernaut they only seem to show in glimpses of him powering up to and calming down from?

Uncanny X-Men #8
Uncanny X-Men #11
Uncanny X-Men #11

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Uncanny X-Men #11
#29 Posted by Rickbarry (1737 posts) - - Show Bio

@DEGRAAF: There's no defined limit to how powerful that version Colossus is at the moment. We do know he can demolish a Hulk with ease. If you combine that with his ability to use other classic juggernaut abilities listed on this topic then it's safe to say he's currently at Classic Juggernaut's strength. It's possible he's beyond that as Cyttorak is overly fond of him. 'Course with Gillen leaving UXM and that title stopping we may never see this form again.

#30 Posted by DEGRAAF (7811 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rickbarry: WELL THAT SUCKS!!!!! I would like to see a mini started with him and his sister trying to help him conquer/control the juggernaut within him as someone else has stated. Where is the writer moving too?

I never liked Red Hulk anyways. Last i heard they made it so he can absorb energy again to get stronger. So he has all the abilities of Banner Hulk as well as his radiation heat expenditure.They should have left it so he could absorb energies.

#31 Posted by God_Spawn (35985 posts) - - Show Bio

@AgeofHurricane said:

Bumping for certain reasons.

Are you worried about the beat down he will give Storm and just don't want to admit those are the "reasons" ?

:PP

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#32 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (5690 posts) - - Show Bio
@DEGRAAF said:

@Rickbarry: WELL THAT SUCKS!!!!! I would like to see a mini started with him and his sister trying to help him conquer/control the juggernaut within him as someone else has stated. Where is the writer moving too?

I never liked Red Hulk anyways. Last i heard they made it so he can absorb energy again to get stronger. So he has all the abilities of Banner Hulk as well as his radiation heat expenditure.They should have left it so he could absorb energies.

That's what I want to see too! I hope Marvel makes this come true.
#33 Posted by AgeofHurricane (7202 posts) - - Show Bio

@gwilburn12 said:

How about saying something rather than just saying "bumping for certain reasons". Actually add to the discussion.

Practice what you preach, sugah'.

@god_spawn said:

@AgeofHurricane said:

Bumping for certain reasons.

Are you worried about the beat down he will give Storm and just don't want to admit those are the "reasons" ?

:PP

Well--well i never.

#34 Posted by gwilburn12 (35 posts) - - Show Bio

@DEGRAAF: I still believe the concept of the Red Hulk is silly.

#35 Posted by DEGRAAF (7811 posts) - - Show Bio

@gwilburn12: i agree with you but why? What part do you dislike?

#36 Posted by gwilburn12 (35 posts) - - Show Bio

Just the concept of another Hulk but one that absorbs energy. Kind of over kill

#37 Posted by Luster77 (137 posts) - - Show Bio

Seems to me, they just dumbin' him down and dats dat bullshit. IF Cain was a natural human with no known powers until he was chosen by the gem to be the Juggernaut and he was as powerful as he was, then I know for a fact that Piotr in his normal human form would be just as powerful....and to add to dat, when he armor's up, his power should more than triple. The Gem of Cytorrak should give him the powers Cain possessed and more. He should be more than Unstoppable in both forms. Honestly, with the power boost he's gotten, he should be ranked right up there with WWH, SENTRY, AND THOR IN TERMS OF RAW POWER.

#38 Posted by jcj145 (183 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rickbarry: @Kallarkz:

if I remember right, Colossus stays in his steel form now b/c he is afraid of being completely overwhelmed by the power of Cyttorak. He "feels" less in his steel form than he does out of it so he stays in it to keep the power in check and to not let it consume him. The amped up/phase 2 version that Kieron Gillen used is what happens when he does begin to lose control

#39 Posted by allthatsgeek (127 posts) - - Show Bio

It's not so much that he feels less, it's more that he feels he is better able to resist the evil urges more in his metal form.As flesh and blood Piotr he is weak, but as Colossus he is a hero, and he can handle this burden.

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