Sighs another Tony hater Shakes head

I've been struggling with this alot lately and I have to agree.

The Thunderbolts? Secretly putting together some of the worst criminals in the Marvel, WTF, %$#@ Tony

Cloning a friend, a teammate, a God, and then using this creation to kill a hero? $#@! Tony

All the times he slipped, who was the one person there to catch him? Cap, Tony may not have pulled the trigger, but he killed Captain America. %$#@ Tony

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Why is the first thing I see a hate thread? Anyway, to answer your questions John. I thought Civil War had a great ending, I thought the Civil War series was phenomenal. I was backing Steve the whole time myself, but I don't actually hate Tony. I just think he was being a douche. But who knows what the future holds for him. It should make for some really good stories.

Ah. Well in that case. I agree entirely. Tony's a complete @$$hole. He got owned by Peter and Thor so that's some substantial punishment. Hopefully he gets beaten down by more people.

Look at the end of the day, Marvel did what they needed to do, You hate tony and some hate Cap now, That was the plan!

I like the idea of TOny having to show a human side after the bombing and I can see his reason behind everything apart from the thunderboltz!

But You either hate him now or you love him!

The Ion says:

"DUDE SCREWED UP SPIDERMAN LIFE. I can't forgive anyone who screw up spiderman life"

You're Spiderman 0409/The Mighty Thor/Copy aren't you?

Copy says:

"Eternal Chaos says:

"The Ion says:

"DUDE SCREWED UP SPIDERMAN LIFE. I can't forgive anyone who screw up spiderman life"

You're Spiderman 0409/The Mighty Thor/Copy aren't you?"

yea i am thinkin of using ion for the dc universe thread if methos lets me be the new version"

I knew it was you. lol. Your writing is easy to read through.

Iron man is nearly as much of a Douchebag as George W Bush. And that's not by much.

Let's see he killed Captain america, He ruined things for just about every other superhero, He banished hulk to some far off planet only to have him come back more pissed off then ever and start world war three, He threatened Asgard and it's inhabitants the relam of the Norse GODS, and He pissed off namor and divided the Fantastic four amongst itself. Did I miss anything?

Dreadnaught says:

"Let's see he killed Captain america, He ruined things for just about every other superhero, He banished hulk to some far off planet only to have him come back more pissed off then ever and start world war three, He threatened Asgard and it's inhabitants the relam of the Norse **GODS**, and He pissed off namor and divided the Fantastic four amongst itself. Did I miss anything?"

He cloned Thor.

Colt Python says:

"Dreadnaught says:

"Let's see he killed Captain america, He ruined things for just about every other superhero, He banished hulk to some far off planet only to have him come back more pissed off then ever and start world war three, He threatened Asgard and it's inhabitants the relam of the Norse **GODS**, and He pissed off namor and divided the Fantastic four amongst itself. Did I miss anything?"

1.Crossbones and Agent 13 killed Captain American.Tony had him arrested and Captain America's comics have gotten more interesting and gained more readers with him dead.Besides there will always be a Captain America, just not Steve Rogers. 2.The Hulk has also become a more interesting hero since World War Hulk.What was he doing before, no one cared about him. 3.Tony Stark does these things because he's pro registration.Marvel makes him do it because it makes room for other characters to be involved in more interesting stories."

1. Stark is the one who's ultimately responsible because that bullet was for him, and if he wasn't a douche, he would've gone against the registration.

2. Put yourself in Hulk's position. Imagine everything you had destroyed, and somebody being responsible. So it's messed up.

3. Tony's a douche, that's his character.

He illegally cloned a friend, and a teammate. Wich resulted in the death of a HERO.

He Secretly formed a group of SUPERVILLAINS Hello! Did Jack Flag really deserve to be parallelized for life, an then beating while in custody? Is Tony that dumb to think he can have Venom, Bullseye AND the Green %$#@ing Goblin capturing HEROES, are you people daft?

And we don't even need to get into how he was a douchbag before Civil War ever started.

No he didn't pull the trigger, he killed Cap long before that bullet ever did.

Colt Python says:

"King of Kings says:

"He illegally cloned a friend, and a teammate. Wich resulted in the death of a HERO. He **Secretly** formed a group of SUPERVILLAINS Hello! Did Jack Flag really deserve to be parallelized for life, an then beating while in custody? Is Tony that dumb to think he can have Venom, Bullseye AND the Green %$#@ing Goblin capturing HEROES, are you people daft? And we don't even need to get into how he was a douchbag before Civil War ever started. No he didn't pull the trigger, he killed Cap long before that bullet ever did. "

1.Tony didn't clone Thor..Hank Pym and Reed Richards did.Goliath is a hero but Marvel needed a way to get rid of a pointless character.

2.Tony isn't dumb by letting the Thunderbolts exist.Again MARVEL using Tony to get rid of characters that are either virtual clones of another character like Jack Flag is of Cap by making him make poor decisions.Although the Thunderbolts are villians,Tony keeps them arond because he knows they will apprehend people by any means nessassary and don't mind breaking rules to get the job done.Jack Flag deserves to be paralyzed,he's not pro registration nor is he good enough of a hero to take CAP's place, therefore they either have to kill him or put him out of commision so they don't have to waste any more pages on his whereabouts.

3.Captain America's death really has nothing to do with Tony,what it did was set up in epic battle between two great heroes and put an end to a superhero that was getting old and didn't have much more he could do in his storyline.

4.Read between the lines,why would Marvel clearly favor a character who continuously makes bad judgements and essentially became a bad guy in a sense.He's not a douche he's a tool to make characters and storylines better."

See, your looking at it as a business move for Marvel, no ones arguing that the story wasn't amazing. But clearly Marvel made Tony the villain in this series. He's always been a douchbag, its who his character is. from being an alcoholic to sleeping with his friends wife, Tony Stark is a douch.

Like I said, Tony was a douchbag before Civil War. You just said the Thunderbolts will do WHATEVER it takes to get the job done, including breaking the rules, correct? So its okay to break the law, as long as its for what Tony deems important, your making my case for me. In capturing Jack Flag they destroyed public property and could have killed somebody, thats EXACTLY what the Reg side was supposed to be against. If what they were doing was so just, then why did they lie an say Jack planted bombs, why not tell the truth? Cause the %$#@ing villains thats why.

The idea of policing heroes was sound, but the plan and the execution was flawed. Hank and Reed may have done the actual deed, but who gave them the DNA? Who got the DNA in the first place? Who told them what to do with said DNA? Don't try and play it off like it wasn't Tony.

Not much more in his story line? Old? What have you been reading?
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1. Just because you believe in a cause, doesn't make it right, doesn't mean your not douchbag for believing it.

2. How the $#@! can you say killing HEROES in the name of the Registration Act, is not a douchbag move? No trial, no lawyer, just a first class ticket to the Negative Zone. He's completely bypassed there basic civil rights as Americans, what is this Nazi Germany? "Your a practicing Hero (Jew) off to the Negative Zone with you."

3. I can do that, Reed and Pym an anyone else who followed Tony is also a douchbag.

4. Thats a matter of your opinion an a completely separate debate. Wonder Woman comics are boring as hell to me, should they just kill her off to make her books more interesting? How about we kill ALL the characters who's sales drop below a certain level or who Colt has deemed unnecessary. There's always more to a storyline, its called CREATIVITY. You dont just say, "Meh, he's old, lets kill em." WTF is that?
   Post Edited:2007-10-11 06:45:40

1. He's apprehending them an sending them to another plan of existence, you act as if he's just rounding them up for the local jail. Just because they have powers or wear a mask doesn't mean they forfeit the rights afforded to them by the CONSTITUTION, but you keep avoiding that fact.

2. Like I keep saying an you keep ignoring, the Registration Act as an IDEA is sound, the way its been executed is flawed. There's no reason the public needs to know who Spiderman is, we have law enforcement officers that are undercover right now, we don't know there names and we don't need to, if that information were made public, there lives as well as those of there family's would be in grave danger.

3. No? Iron Man being a drunk wasn't a douchbag move? Illegally cloning someone isn't a douchbag move? Banging your teammates ex-wife in her moment of weakness isn't a douchbag move? I have so many more examples it isn't even funny, but whats the point, you'll just skip over them anyway.

4. Your right, Tony winning Civil War isn't what makes him a douchbag, I never said that. I said he was a douchbag before Civil War, an his actions and the depths he'll sink when he thinks he's right is what makes him a douchbag.

Nothing I say is going to change your views, just like nothing you say is going to change mine. The Registration Act is a violation of Civil Liberties, and there's no denying that.
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We can agree to disagree.

Colt Python says:

"King of Kings says:

"We can agree to disagree."

I guess so I just don't think people should say Iron Man is a bad character because he may be a douche or because he believes in things they don't.He is shaping Marvel into what it will be in the future."

Wait wait, I never said he was a bad character. I like the character, I like that he pisses me off, gets me emotionally involved. I loved Civil War, it made people care, it divided Marvel and comic book fans down the middle. I only said Tony was a douchbag an I stick by it.

Iron Man= DoUCHE

Nobody says:

"crazy spidey says:

"Iron Man= **DoUCHE**"

You do realize that you have Hitler as your avatar, don't you?"

Actually thats Erik Cartman. Not Hitler.

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