Hathawayard Catwoman? The Costume Aftermath

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            I must admit, when news first broke that Anne Hathaway had been cast as Catwoman, or rather, "Selina Kyle" as they termed it, I was none too pleased. Hathaway, a self-described "drama nerd", was not to my taste. Like posing on the covers of magazines and accepting starring roles in movies with promise of celebrity is "nerdy"? Come on. Anyways, I filed her away as a sort of faux-modest, "America's sweetheart" kind of girl. Though I secretly had seen "Becoming Jane" 3 or 4 times on basic cable, I maintained

this judgement yet didn't quite hold it against her until it was revealed she would be next to fill Selina's boots. That's when I began to object to her more fully. I criticized her brown blonde hair as a symptom of actress-like neuroses, wanting to be a blond and brunette simultaneously to maintain a certain "safe" neutrality. Sophisticated enough to be brunette but fun-loving enough to have blonde highlights. Barf.  
       
       I know, right? Aren't I just so incredibly pleasant? Yeesh. I must say most of the celebrities I don't like usually have more to substantiate my feelings about them but for a time sweet, inoffensive Anne Hathaway playing my childhood...and, well, adolescence and adulthood idol were all too much. I let it stew for a while and began to think about it here and there a bit more, though I discouraged people from seeing "Love and Other Drugs" as it seemed insufferably puppy-like with both Anne Hathaway AND Jake Gyllenhaal in the lead, I sort of shut the casting right out of my mind.  

     It wasn't until, by very odd means, I came to think of things differently. After her Oscar performance, Howard Stern commented on her "desperation" on his show, he said that if you just look at her dating record and her history with men, it's obvious she's in dire need of approval. As usual, he was pretty biting but Howard Stern's assessment of her sort of clobbered my impression of her as being a simple ingenue and that possibly she may be a bit more eccentric and interesting.  For whatever reason, it compelled me to look at her bio on Wikipedia which detailed the fallout between herself and her real estate developer Raefello Follieri. I began to think that perhaps I'd dismissed her a little bit too quickly as surely she is a person as well, 3 dimensional with pathos, flaws, and all. But it wasn't enough, it wasn't enough until I started to watch more interviews with her and I found over time that in the less-publicized ones she was almost awkward, sincerely nerdy, a bit nutzo and "off" in a compelling way when she was unguarded. Strangely, the things about her mannerisms and her neurotic nature all became somewhat endearing.  
        
         The more I see of her in movies, the more I notice about the way she preforms versus how she presents herself publicly has made me believe she may very well be able to pull Catwoman off in a way that's never been done before. Furthermore, I heard she was so involved in an action scene she accidentally pegged a stunt man in the eye with the
butt of a gun, that she kept tearing her costume because she was extending herself so much during fight sequences. Then, in what was probably the eve of the big reveal I saw her on the set of Batman dressed in some
bizarre galaxy-themed t-shirt with distressed jean shorts, and a purse with excessive, almost obnoxious fringe...she looked reee-dic-ulous. Yet, within hours she ascended from the makeup chair looking impeccable with bright red lipstick, cat-eyed eyeliner, a black wife beater, black shorts, and a seemingly spontaneous grace. How she could look so ridiculous one moment and then so poised the next was just as mystifying as it was fascinating, she not only looked like a different woman, she appeared to act like one.
      
    I saw two of her movies "Rachel Getting Married" and "The Devil Wears Prada" and suddenly I saw a remarkable talent I'd previously dismissed. She has a tremendous face that, when not fixed to a photogenic smile for the paps, is versatile and full of such liveliness. The subtlest expression is tenfold in effect with a beauty that could be all too intimidating were it not so versatile in it's playfulness and disarming vulnerability. Her physicality on screen is so much cooler and polished than I would've anticipated and nothing appears as rehearsed as I would've expected. And now here I am, someone who was a major critic, who is normally quite opinionated and quite decisive about how they feel actually feeling as though I'd been won over completely. 
     
      So, in the wake of this new Catwoman reveal I encourage fans to think more kindly of Anne Hathaway in spite of whatever the costume may look like. I've noticed a lot of the uproar compares her to Julie Newmar or Michelle Pfieiffer, claiming her to be too innocent-seeming or not nearly sexy enough to fulfill the role and where I would've once agreed, I'm more enchanted by her talent than ever before. I'm more sure that if anyone is to fall short on this it won't be Anne Hathaway. I almost feel as though she's lost her mind for this role and nestled comfortably into the complexities of the character in a way that could very well be both scene-stealing and image-changing for her. I understand the judgements and I understand the confusion with regards to the costume but I have a feeling these simple shots are only quick frames of what could be not only an extraordinary movie but a fantastic performance and portrayal of a beloved character. 
 
ANNE HATHAWAY FTW! 
 
#1 Posted by jcbart (341 posts) - - Show Bio

I've never had a problem with Hathaway portraying Selina Kyle (although I would have preferred Rachel Weisz, but eh). I think she most certainly has the acting chops to pull it off; she seems to be the kind of actress that could easily act unnerved mentally and emotionally. 
What I am worried about though is Christopher Nolan's interpretation of Kyle/Catwoman. To my knowledge, Nolan took the helm of Batman Begins and The Dark Knight in order to see if he had what it takes to direct a blockbuster in preparation for his 'baby', Inception. For some reason though, it just feels like this last chapter of the trilogy is missing something. For one, he's turning into Tim Burton and re-using the same old cast. Two, I really do not think that A) Bane was the right choice for antagonist and B) that Tom Hardy was right for the part. Also, Selina Kyle's look is dreadful. She looks like a star in a porn parody of X-Men or something. 
In Hathaway we trust; in Nolan we do not.

#2 Posted by Jake Fury (18157 posts) - - Show Bio

LULZ
#3 Posted by The_Tree (7235 posts) - - Show Bio

I've never really had faith in the third Nolan movie to begin with. But I've always hated Anne Hathaway since the Princess Diaries, I don't know why, but I just despise her.

#4 Posted by HellionVulcan (3630 posts) - - Show Bio

Great read & Anne + action role = never gonna be sold ,its just not her .

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#5 Posted by Cervantes (634 posts) - - Show Bio

You make good points, especially about The Devil Wears Prada. I also saw her sing and dance in Ella Enchanted -- did I just say that out loud? -- so I know she can be graceful. 
 
Don't like the goggles in the recent pic of her. But the main thing getting to me is I think OLIVIA WILDE should have the role.   

This is tongue-in-cheek, but I really believe it! Here are
Olivia Wilde's Catwoman Qualifications
#6 Posted by HexThis (884 posts) - - Show Bio
@jcbart said:
What I am worried about though is Christopher Nolan's interpretation of Kyle/Catwoman. To my knowledge, Nolan took the helm of Batman Begins and The Dark Knight in order to see if he had what it takes to direct a blockbuster in preparation for his 'baby', Inception.
I can see what you mean, I had similar concerns. I think my reservations were less about his agenda as a filmmaker but moreso about his level of comfort with a character like Catwoman. She's flamboyant, she's overtly feminine but just as tough and he's never really had that in his movies when it came to women. Rachel Dawes as well as Marion Cotilliard & Ellen Paige in Inception were all important characters but they didn't have particularly meaty, character-driven roles by comparison to their male co-stars. Also, I happened to know a production artist (who'd worked on Dark Knight)  who said Cher was seriously being considered at one point to play Catwoman around 3 years ago when the rumor started- much to both of our dismay. 
 
However, I did hear news item that seemed promising about Catwoman's character from "an insider"....
 

"Catwoman is apparently one of the most well written characters we’ve seen in these movies so far and she could potentially steal the show the way Heath Ledger did last time. She does some cool stuff in the movie like jumping out of windows and stealing the Batpod. Her back story is that she has a history of abuse and works as a stripper and is also a pickpocket."

 Not a huge fan of the whole stripper angle but the rest seems like it could be quality.
 
 @jcbart said:
She looks like a star in a porn parody of X-Men or something. In Hathaway we trust; in Nolan we do not.
Another rumor is that she will end up donning a mask and cowl in the movie. I heard Warner Brothers just released the official photo of her so poor quality, paparazzi pictures so they beat everyone to the punch and released the picture. I have a feeling it's scene-specific more than it is what we'll end up seeing her in, also the full-body shot was revealed to be a fake. 
 
@Cervantes said:

You make good points, especially about The Devil Wears Prada. I also saw her sing and dance in Ella Enchanted -- did I just say that out loud? -- so I know she can be graceful. 
 
Don't like the goggles in the recent pic of her. But the main thing getting to me is I think OLIVIA WILDE should have the role.  

I think Olivia Wilde would maybe look good in a Catwoman costume but looks aren't everything. And anyways, I see Anne Hathaway as resembling the Tim Sale sort of Catwoman quite a bit so it's all subjective. 
 
@The_Tree said:
I've never really had faith in the third Nolan movie to begin with. But I've always hated Anne Hathaway since the Princess Diaries, I don't know why, but I just despise her.

I understand how you feel but if I can change my thoughts, you could too = )
#7 Posted by CellphoneGirl (18826 posts) - - Show Bio

I love Anne Hathaway. She's one of my favorite actresses.

#8 Posted by chipsnopotatoes (328 posts) - - Show Bio

Hathaway's not my first choice but I'm not averse to her either. She doesn't have the natural slinkiness that people normally associate with the character, but that's not the end of the world for me. In a way, I am kind of glad Nolan went for the not so obvious choice. Maybe we'll see a Catwoman that's completely the opposite of the cliched sex-kitten we saw in Arkham City.

#9 Posted by HexThis (884 posts) - - Show Bio
@chipsnopotatoes said:
Hathaway's not my first choice but I'm not averse to her either. She doesn't have the natural slinkiness that people normally associate with the character, but that's not the end of the world for me. In a way, I am kind of glad Nolan went for the not so obvious choice. Maybe we'll see a Catwoman that's completely the opposite of the cliched sex-kitten we saw in Arkham City.

Yeah, I have a feeling Chris Nolan will have enough sense to not have her making out with thugs in the middle of fight scenes. Hopefully. 
 
She may be a stripper however or at least that's what has been "reported" as well as her being pickpocket with history of abuse. I could accept stripper, particularly over her being prostitute, but if they really must have been a stripper can't she at the very least be a Dita Von Teese/Gypsy type stripper?
#10 Edited by chipsnopotatoes (328 posts) - - Show Bio
@HexThis: @HexThis said:

@chipsnopotatoes said:

Hathaway's not my first choice but I'm not averse to her either. She doesn't have the natural slinkiness that people normally associate with the character, but that's not the end of the world for me. In a way, I am kind of glad Nolan went for the not so obvious choice. Maybe we'll see a Catwoman that's completely the opposite of the cliched sex-kitten we saw in Arkham City.

Yeah, I have a feeling Chris Nolan will have enough sense to not have her making out with thugs in the middle of fight scenes. Hopefully. 
 
She may be a stripper however or at least that's what has been "reported" as well as her being pickpocket with history of abuse. I could accept stripper, particularly over her being prostitute, but if they really must have been a stripper can't she at the very least be a Dita Von Teese/Gypsy type stripper?
I'm not happy with that news and I've stated that in Batman-News.com. Getting some interesting comments back from some fan boys. I have to question why they're so attached to that origin.
#11 Edited by chipsnopotatoes (328 posts) - - Show Bio
@jcbart said:

Also, Selina Kyle's look is dreadful. She looks like a star in a porn parody of X-Men or something. In Hathaway we trust; in Nolan we do not.

Really? What about that costume reminds you of a "a star in a porn parody of X-Men"? It looks no nonsense and functional to me.
#12 Posted by HexThis (884 posts) - - Show Bio
@chipsnopotatoes said:
@HexThis: @HexThis said:
@chipsnopotatoes said:
Hathaway's not my first choice but I'm not averse to her either. She doesn't have the natural slinkiness that people normally associate with the character, but that's not the end of the world for me. In a way, I am kind of glad Nolan went for the not so obvious choice. Maybe we'll see a Catwoman that's completely the opposite of the cliched sex-kitten we saw in Arkham City.

Yeah, I have a feeling Chris Nolan will have enough sense to not have her making out with thugs in the middle of fight scenes. Hopefully. 
 
She may be a stripper however or at least that's what has been "reported" as well as her being pickpocket with history of abuse. I could accept stripper, particularly over her being prostitute, but if they really must have been a stripper can't she at the very least be a Dita Von Teese/Gypsy type stripper?
I'm not happy with that news and I've stated in that in Batman-News.com. Getting some interesting comments back from some fan boys. I have to question why they're so attached to that origin.
 
Oh I can only imagine. Is it any wonder that being a strong, capable woman usually involves wearing little to no clothing according to most fanboys? 
 
But who knows? I think the casting of Anne Hathaway as well as the rumblings of her emotional and physical exertion in playing this role may indicate that they'll play it from a more thoughtful perspective. It's interesting that in quote they mentioned her "history of abuse", usually that's something not too often touched on when it comes to Selina. Personally, I find her childhood to be just as fascinating if not more fascinating than Bruce's. I hope if they go into her history they touch on the suicides of her parents, juvenile hall stays, and her time at the orphanage.
#13 Edited by KenTheProfile (412 posts) - - Show Bio
@HexThis
 
Anne hathaway is good chioce. has acting chops and is very pretty. 
 
i have a question for you. you seem to imply that by being a stripper or even a hooker she somehow becomes less of character  to care about. if that so Why?  
 
also your one of these people who had a probblem with her kissing a thug in arkham city, again why? 
 
i feel that the whole stripper things makes her more of a strong character. by doing this she shows she is not defined by her job because  she will be shown to be more then her job. 
 
the kissing thing seem like a great mind game move to do. it not like she stops and blows the guy. she messing with his head.  

 
#14 Posted by .Mistress Redhead. (27083 posts) - - Show Bio

@Cervantes: how many times you going to post that? lol

I love the idea of Hathaway as Catwoman BRAVO!

#15 Posted by KenTheProfile (412 posts) - - Show Bio
@chipsnopotatoes

i have to question why you have a problem with her being a stripper or hooker? in you view is a stripper or hooker some kind of horrible person? his a person who does those jobs somehow else worthy of your time? 
 
i feel that the whole stripper things makes her more of a strong character. by doing this she shows she is not defined by her job because she will be shown to be more then her job. 
#16 Posted by KenTheProfile (412 posts) - - Show Bio
@jcbart
 
hey, get what you saying about casting but let me share my exprince with you. when I heard heath ledger as  the joker i thought man this is going to be shit. Boy was i ever wrong. i hope were both wrong about Tom hardy. 
 
Nolan uses the same actors because there good, Alfred, Gordon, and Lucas fox are prefectly cast and Bale is alright (better as wayne then as batman imo.)
#17 Edited by Cervantes (634 posts) - - Show Bio
@.Mistress Redhead.: Heh heh, well now that it's complete I just needed to put it in the right place! ;) 
 
I am a big Anne Hathaway fan -- and I've seen Ella Enchanted, so my cred is not to be doubted -- but someone needs to tell actors and actresses to step away from the ride at some point when they deliberately pick a role completely against type. Harvey Weinstein had the guts to tell Russell Crowe that no, he COULDN'T play William Shakespeare; someone should have told Katie Holmes the same in Batman Begins (Every time she said "Falcone" I desperately needed a drink to deal with this "district attorney"). 
 
The question isn't can Anne play the role, but could Olivia do it better? She's been a medical professional on House without a hitch; I can easily see her matching wits with him. Anne can be plucky, resourceful, athletic, and regal - but will we end up with another Blake Lively in Green Lantern moment, where we just can't feel it? 
 
@HexThis: True, I felt for her on the whole dating a con artist drama. And you have seen some interviews I haven't, a side of her I haven't. Sounds like if you were directing her, you could guide her toward a good performance!  
But, Strike one: Christopher Nolan will be doing so, and we've seen how Katie Holmes and Maggie G fared - he's just too philosophical to bring out the hearts of his actresses IMHO. 
 
Strike two: Bane will no doubt have the lion's share of screen time, leaving less to spend on building her up so that the audience gets over their disbelief. 
 
Strike three: 
 
Having seen this, you are now a Wilde Child true believer! 
#18 Edited by HexThis (884 posts) - - Show Bio
@KenTheProfile said:

@HexThis:  Anne hathaway is good chioce. has acting chops and is very pretty.  i have a question for you. you seem to imply that by being a stripper or even a hooker she somehow becomes less of character  to care about.

I don't have anything against strippers at all. 
 
I feel that the world of comicbooks can be exclusionary to women at times and I think a part of the reason for why that is has to do with hundreds of female characters, who have all the criteria for being good characters, exploited only for their sexuality. And if not only exploited for that then a key component to women being strong in comics usually goes hand in hand with something skimpy. It discredits the franchise and Catwoman to delve to heavily into that aspect. 
 
And beyond that, it's not even an original idea. Read anything Frank Miller's written, they're all either strippers or prostitutes mainly because he very candidly admitted he likes drawing "hot chicks"  
 
Also, Catwoman going so far as to kiss a thug....he's f*cking stranger who wants to kill her. It makes her look like someone who sexualizes violence against her by way of random men, like some nympho who's only intent in combat is to find new ways to flirt her way out of the situation. It's totally offensive.  Mind game? A nicely placed forearm to the wind-pipe does a hella better job of keeping someone off your tail. Why can't she do that? 
 
@Cervantes said:

The question isn't can Anne play the role, but could Olivia do it better? She's been a medical professional on House without a hitch; I can easily see her matching wits with him. Anne can be plucky, resourceful, athletic, and regal - but will we end up with another Blake Lively in Green Lantern moment, where we just can't feel it?

This whole Olivia Wilde craze kind of eludes me so I might be bias but I still think Anne Hathaway will bring it home. Olivia Wilde would've been too easy of a pick for Catwoman. Bright eyes, black hair, Maxim girl- she wouldn't bring anything new to the role.
 
I think that Anne Hathaway, somewhat like Michelle Pfieffer, will bring something that you wouldn't anticipate to the role. Frankly, I didn't even consider her a possibility for the role of Catwoman, I never would've guessed she'd be the one hired and I think that the crew behind this movie knows that most people wouldn't have come to that conclusion either. Whatever she's going to give I feel like it's going to be fresh. Because even if Anne Hathaway tried to play it generically sexy, I have a feeling she's strange enough to still bring something new to the role.
#19 Posted by jubilee042 (1353 posts) - - Show Bio

i love hathway but i'm worried can she do an sexy action role of catwoman still got fingers crossed 

#20 Posted by KenTheProfile (412 posts) - - Show Bio
@HexThis

listen I am sorry but you are inferring way to much in the whole kissing a thug thing. i just watched the trailer and she does it for like a half second and then throws the guy. it simple a way to make a guy off blance so she can throw him. it only a sexual thing if you make it. a half second kiss is not sexual.  offensive,   would be if she stopped and really kissed him  or was moaing throught the whole fight.  i am all for treating woman better in comics but in this case to much is being put into nothing.
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#23 Posted by GT-Man (4054 posts) - - Show Bio

The only thing I hope is that she can be sexy and REAL sexy charmy Catwoman from the comics but I also think Olivia Wilde would of been a better choice but O WELL Anne will still ROCK!

#24 Posted by Kal'smahboi (3491 posts) - - Show Bio

I honestly have great faith in Anne Hathaway as an actress. I think she has a huge range.

#25 Posted by CATPANEXE (9368 posts) - - Show Bio
@HexThis: I love Catwoman, Hathaway, and Nolan. I'm for it. I'm also minding that I doubt we've been shown " everything " considering the film isn't done nor out, sor their will be many more kewl surprises in store. Great article. I hope you don't mind but I shared it with one of Hathaways childhood friends on Facebook.
#26 Posted by Cervantes (634 posts) - - Show Bio
@HexThis
Completely agree with your above reasoning. Strippers are so Sin City. You don't need sex to make a female character matter (I hear some groans out there, but it's true!) -- and as proof, look at Cassandra Cain. NOTHING sexual about her, covered from head to toe and even her face as well (as Batgirl; @#$% 'Black Bat'!), yet she was still gripping. Because she could not communicate with anyone, but she could understand everything they were going to do - before they did it. It was the ultimate power for a Bat Family vigilante, and yet not so exotic it couldn't be believed. And it made her very primal. 
 
FINAL WORD on Catwoman, so others can give their thoughts: I have revealed unto you THE ULTIMATE TRUTH of Olivia's DESTINY - wrongfully denied her - to claim the Mantle of the Cat. Legend has long foretold that the Cat Woman will live in the house of three teen idols and retain their images even when they leave; Olivia lives in the Jonas Brothers house with their 'Standies' - clearly she is the one prophesied! 
 
Plus, even as a wide-eyed innocent program in Tron, she showed the chops to be Catwoman. Search your feelings, you know this to be true. :) 
 
#27 Posted by thechessclub (497 posts) - - Show Bio

A very well written and thought out blog! Ultimately I trust Nolan to do the best with these movies as can possibly be done so I didn't really ever give her casting much thought at all. Though I really wish shannyn sossamon would have been given a chance...

Also...I thought Rachel Weisz would have done a great job too.

#28 Posted by JonesDeini (3620 posts) - - Show Bio
@Cervantes:  
She certainly would've been a fine choice. But I'm cool with Hathaway. 
#29 Posted by HexThis (884 posts) - - Show Bio
@thechessclub said:

Also...I thought Rachel Weisz would have done a great job too.

I was okay with that casting option actually. Rachel Weisz is very refined but still has a certain toughness to her but I almost feel like she doesn't come off as being very vulnerable in her performances, she's always very sure of herself. I've always thought of Selina as a smooth operator who, right after a heist, gets kind of bored and dissatisfied with what she's stolen as if she's in a constant, somewhat sad struggle with fulfillment so it's important that she be kinda nutty. 
 
@CATPANEXE said:
@HexThis: I love Catwoman, Hathaway, and Nolan. I'm for it. I'm also minding that I doubt we've been shown " everything " considering the film isn't done nor out, sor their will be many more kewl surprises in store. Great article. I hope you don't mind but I shared it with one of Hathaways childhood friends on Facebook.

Cool about the Facebook thing, I approve! 
 
And yeah, I'm mystified as to why people are reacting so negatively to Chris Nolan in these Catwoman articles. You'd think after the 90's wherein Joel Shcumacher abused the franchise there would be a little more leeway for Nolan for taking the story seriously. 
#30 Edited by wingster (138 posts) - - Show Bio
Not sure if this was posted before: 
#31 Posted by HexThis (884 posts) - - Show Bio
@wingster :
 
I've been told this picture is actually a fake, made using someone's cosplay as Lara Croft.
#32 Posted by NightFang (9904 posts) - - Show Bio

I would her to look like this by the end of the film, after Batman turns her into the police.
 

#33 Edited by chipsnopotatoes (328 posts) - - Show Bio
@KenTheProfile said:


@chipsnopotatoes: i have to question why you have a problem with her being a stripper or hooker? in you view is a stripper or hooker some kind of horrible person? his a person who does those jobs somehow else worthy of your time?  

I have to question why you think the reason people don't like the prostitute origin is because they think strippers/hookers are horrible people or not worthy of their time.
 
1. It's a totally tacked on origin. It really doesn't explain how she became a world class thief which is how she was originally conceived in Batman #1. The switch from dominatrix to thief in Year One was rather abrupt don't you think? I mean, I'd like to be an architect, but I don't get to be Frank Gehry overnight, right?
2. The hooker origin gives her detractors just a lot more excuse to trash her. If you don't believe me, I can pm you links to comments I've read that have really made me grit my teeth.
3. Do you really think that the guys (Denny O'Neil & Frank Miller) who reinvented her as a hooker were doing that with the character's best interest in mind? Here's a thread from the DC forums with some very interesting theories of why this was done.
 
http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/thread.jspa?threadID=2000242939&start=35&tstart=16

 
Along the same lines, but more complete:
 
http://www.slideshare.net/branding-disasters/destroying-your-brand


i feel that the whole stripper things makes her more of a strong character. by doing this she shows she is not defined by her job because she will be shown to be more then her job.

I read this statement as:
 
"By <stripping>, she shows she is not defined by her job because she will be shown to be more than her job"
 
Help me understand your logic here.
#34 Posted by chipsnopotatoes (328 posts) - - Show Bio
@HexThis said:
@chipsnopotatoes said:
@HexThis: @HexThis said:
@chipsnopotatoes said:
Hathaway's not my first choice but I'm not averse to her either. She doesn't have the natural slinkiness that people normally associate with the character, but that's not the end of the world for me. In a way, I am kind of glad Nolan went for the not so obvious choice. Maybe we'll see a Catwoman that's completely the opposite of the cliched sex-kitten we saw in Arkham City.

Yeah, I have a feeling Chris Nolan will have enough sense to not have her making out with thugs in the middle of fight scenes. Hopefully. 
 
She may be a stripper however or at least that's what has been "reported" as well as her being pickpocket with history of abuse. I could accept stripper, particularly over her being prostitute, but if they really must have been a stripper can't she at the very least be a Dita Von Teese/Gypsy type stripper?
I'm not happy with that news and I've stated in that in Batman-News.com. Getting some interesting comments back from some fan boys. I have to question why they're so attached to that origin.

 Oh I can only imagine. Is it any wonder that being a strong, capable woman usually involves wearing little to no clothing according to most fanboys?   

I have more respect for the ones forthright enough to say they just want to see Hathaway strip instead of the ones promoting that kind of pretzel reasoning.


But who knows? I think the casting of Anne Hathaway as well as the rumblings of her emotional and physical exertion in playing this role may indicate that they'll play it from a more thoughtful perspective. It's interesting that in quote they mentioned her "history of abuse", usually that's something not too often touched on when it comes to Selina. Personally, I find her childhood to be just as fascinating if not more fascinating than Bruce's. I hope if they go into her history they touch on the suicides of her parents, juvenile hall stays, and her time at the orphanage. 

Did you see the article on Anne's favorite Catwoman comic? 

http://blog.moviefone.com/2011/08/09/anne-hathaway-catwoman-comic-favorite/

#35 Posted by HexThis (884 posts) - - Show Bio
@chipsnopotatoes said:

 

Did you see the article on Anne's favorite Catwoman comic? 

http://blog.moviefone.com/2011/08/09/anne-hathaway-catwoman-comic-favorite/

Hmmm, cumbersome. Not the origin I prefer but I appreciate Hathaway's sentiment at least, I think she's coming at it from the right place and she did make a point of saying Nolan is more in favor of equality. But if she's reading Selina's first appearance as well as her 90's revival, I think we can at least deduce the she's reading a variety of Catwoman comics, there's a lot of space between the two.  
 
@chipsnopotatoes said:

1. It's a totally tacked on origin. It really doesn't explain how she became a world class thief which is how she was originally conceived in Batman #1. The switch from dominatrix to thief in Year One was rather abrupt don't you think? I mean, I'd like to be an architect, but I don't get to be Frank Gehry overnight, right?
2. The hooker origin gives her detractors just a lot more excuse to trash her. If you don't believe me, I can pm you links to comments I've read that have really made me grit my teeth.

What offends me most about the hooker storyline is how fans are so persnickety about the origins of male characters but when it comes to female ones you can seemingly take all the broad strokes you like. Harvey Dent must be a corrupted agent of justice, Commissioner Gordon must be the well-to-do working class cop, Clark Kent must be a corn-fed Smallville boy, the Joker's origins must never be fully explained or else everrrrybodyyy goes up in a tizzy and bitches and whines. 
 
Yet someone like Frank Miller just takes the liberty of suddenly turning Selina into a prostitute and that's okay? A down-trodden prostitute who resorts to the life that would define her out of....boredom? Out of a vague interest in Batman? The arbitrariness of it all just really, really peeves me. Is Catwoman any less iconic? Is she any less deserving of a carefully thought-out origin story?
 
What I love so much about the origin that was more recently established was that it better described the psychology of Selina's transition into Catwoman just like all the other male origin stories. You understand that, like Bruce, she's dressed up as a cat not to titillate anyone or out of some desperate attempt to sexually liberate herself but because it means something to her, because it's a symbol of who she is. 
 
I accepted the Michelle Pfieffer (goddammit, how did she ever get famous with a name as hard to spell as that?) version of Catwoman. And a little sex...isn't a crime but I really, really hope Nolan invests in the character of Catwoman and who she already really is as opposed to just the idea of sexy woman in a cat costume who has a crush on Batman.
#36 Edited by KenTheProfile (412 posts) - - Show Bio
@chipsnopotatoes
Why do I think that ? because if they said she was a cop or nun or teacher, this talk we are having would not be happening. plain and simple if most people thought hooker was a "good" job no one would care if she was one.

While I can't say what Miller was thinking, given the work great work Denny O'neil did  for Batman overall I think he did have the best intrest of Catwoman in mind. 
has far as my statement i could have been more clear. What I was say was the being a stripper she will first present as a one note deal but while be shown to be a deeper character later on. 
or another way it give a writer the chance to build on people's bais to suprise people.
#37 Posted by KenTheProfile (412 posts) - - Show Bio

@HexThis
 
"Harvey Dent must be a corrupted agent of justice, Commissioner Gordon must be the well-to-do working class cop" 
 
I have to laugh, yeah Gordon had to be a cop because if he is no a cop, he's not commissioner Gordon.  Dent must be a corrputed agent of justice because if he just some guy on the street he loses his whole two theme. 
 
the new origin is fine but to me I liked when she just was Catwoman for the thrill of it, when she had no real reason to be catwoman. 
 
see the thing  here is that all the male characters are difined by there job or up bringing. Catwoman was never difined by what she did or who she was. 
 
so make her a hooker, stripper, jet fighter, or half walrus don't mean crap.  she is deeper then all that.

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@KenTheProfile said:

 
the new origin is fine but to me I liked when she just was Catwoman for the thrill of it, when she had no real reason to be catwoman. 
 

But that over-simplifies her character. Harvey Dent, Bruce, Gordon- virtually all these other characters have an inherent drive or reason that compels them to be who they are. Catwoman just leisurely deciding to become a thief that dresses up as a cat is almost as if Harvey dipped himself halfway in acid just because he needed an identity or Batman just happening to dress up as a bat because he was bored and rich. 
 
You mean to tell me, a woman would sign herself up for a life of uncertainty, constant danger, intricate heists, and violence just because she felt like it? She's not the Joker, it's not like there's any reason to not flesh it out, in a lot of ways she was created to be a darker, feminine version of Batman so there has to be levels, there has to be a story. 
 
@KenTheProfile said:

 
see the thing  here is that all the male characters are difined by there job or up bringing. Catwoman was never difined by what she did or who she was. 
 
so make her a hooker, stripper, jet fighter, or half walrus don't mean crap.  she is deeper then all that.

But inevitably, every 3 dimensional character is defined by their upbringing and how they lead their life. 
 
To have Catwoman just suddenly be a hooker for the sake of making her a hooker doesn't do her justice. And by the way, exchanging sex for money isn't exactly like being a secretary or something. As a woman or even just a person, you forfeit a lot of your own self and you identity in an occupation like that wherein your primary source of income is someone entering you....
 
I think we're opposed to making Catwoman a hooker because it doesn't seem to coincide with anything that Selina represents. She dresses like a cat because her deceased mother died amongst them when she committed suicide, because she was tied up in a bag and tossed in a river. Selina steals because she grew impoverished an without a consistent nurturing environment, she has a somewhat immature (but endearing) grasp on the value of "things". 
 
How does her having sex for money inform any of that? The tradition of turning confident, assertive, and genuinely individual-minded women into "whores" as it were is something tied so tightly to misogyny in history it's practically biblical...actually, it even precedes biblical somewhat. 
#39 Edited by KenTheProfile (412 posts) - - Show Bio
@HexThis
 
It informs nothing but it also does not take away from. in short she's a hooker and so what?
again the starting point is that somehow sex worker says anything at all about her.    the whole point of what i am saying is that for there to be a problem with her being a whore is that somewhere there is an automatic bad  reaction to whores.
 
the trend you talk about ( which by the way started way before biblical times, and has much to do with men rejecting the sacred  feminen ) is tied to the equally disturbing trend of stripping a confident, assertive, and genuinely individual-minded women of anything sexual. 
#40 Posted by Omega Ray Jay (7592 posts) - - Show Bio

Looking the part and being the part are two different things.

#41 Posted by HexThis (884 posts) - - Show Bio
@KenTheProfile said:
the trend you talk about ( which by the way started way before biblical times, and has much to do with men rejecting the sacred  feminen ) is tied to the equally disturbing trend of stripping a confident, assertive, and genuinely individual-minded women of anything sexual. 
No way is that even comparable, particularly in comics, very few female characters in comics are even allowed to keep their clothes on above a certain point of fame.  
#42 Posted by KenTheProfile (412 posts) - - Show Bio

@HexThis
 
but it is very comparable, this is not a zero sum situation.  one does not excluede the other. a woman can be those things and still sexual or none of those things and not sexual. or any combo. 
 
and agin so woman take off there clothes in comics and so what?  it done to titlate the audiance nothing more, it's not a deep statement on the "place" of women or whatever. 
 
when we start having comics hero beating woman, raping them and this is shown in a positive light then we worry. I don't see that happening here or ever and i will do everything i can to stop it if it does
#43 Posted by uniform (29 posts) - - Show Bio

@HexThis said:

Ugh! Can this stupid gigantic sunglasses trend be over already?

#44 Posted by HexThis (884 posts) - - Show Bio

@uniform said:

@HexThis said:

Ugh! Can this stupid gigantic sunglasses trend be over already?

It's strange because usually when celebrities go out they don't want to be seen and I think that's what she's going for but this number is so bizarre you couldn't not notice her.

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