It should've been her...

#1 Posted by X9 (757 posts) - - Show Bio

instead of Starfire in RHATO....

I know it's too late for that comment, but, still, I had to share it :(

#2 Posted by Twentyfive (2845 posts) - - Show Bio

She more than likely won't be returning in the new Universe.

#3 Posted by X9 (757 posts) - - Show Bio

@Twentyfive said:

She more than likely won't be returning in the new Universe.

Why not?!

#4 Posted by Twentyfive (2845 posts) - - Show Bio

@X9: That's a good question. Maybe DC doesn't want things to play out like they did before.

That's why Superman might not get back with Lois Lane.

#5 Posted by X9 (757 posts) - - Show Bio

: Well, I'm not saying she has to be Batgirl, I'm ok with Black Bat or any other identity... I just think she's a good character who could provide great story-arcs...

Maybe she'll be back. Not now, but someday

#6 Posted by Twentyfive (2845 posts) - - Show Bio

@X9: Yeah. Hopefully.

#7 Posted by theTimeStreamer (2841 posts) - - Show Bio

@X9: in a year or 2 shell be back.

#8 Posted by MrShway88 (655 posts) - - Show Bio

Cassandra Cain was, is, and will always be the best Batgirl.

#9 Posted by SmashBrawler (5821 posts) - - Show Bio

Why are you guys acting like these characters won't be coming back? Back in the 80's DC said Supergirl, Krypto, Kandor and other elements of the Superman mythos would be gone for good after COIE.

Were are they now? Oh, yeah...

#10 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29501 posts) - - Show Bio

@X9 said:

@Twentyfive said:

She more than likely won't be returning in the new Universe.

Why not?!

Didio doesn't like her.

#11 Posted by Mercy_ (92767 posts) - - Show Bio

Editorial hates Cass :(

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#12 Posted by Ravager4 (1627 posts) - - Show Bio

Add to that the fact that Lady Shiva, her mother, has been de-aged to be Dick's age...

so unless they remove her as Shiva's daughter, she wouldn't be showing up as anything more than, like, a five year old girl at best.

#13 Posted by Black Coda (27 posts) - - Show Bio

If she ever does come back they'll have changed everything about her that made her cool in the first place.

#14 Posted by Hazlenaut (1960 posts) - - Show Bio

I think she will do one punch joke on Jason Todd. Just like Batman did with Guy Gardener. You want her team up with a social path and a former drug addict, unless the retcon fixed that. In second thought she should be with bird of prey. Think of reaction of her teaming up with Misfit.

#15 Posted by X9 (757 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ravager4 said:

Add to that the fact that Lady Shiva, her mother, has been de-aged to be Dick's age...

so unless they remove her as Shiva's daughter, she wouldn't be showing up as anything more than, like, a five year old girl at best.

@Black Coda said:

If she ever does come back they'll have changed everything about her that made her cool in the first place.

Hum...so, yeah, she'll take a few years to come back...but come up with a new story for her could work...I mean, that's what they're doing with pretty much every character.

#16 Posted by Black Coda (27 posts) - - Show Bio

@X9: Could work, sure. The World could end tomorrow to but I'm not banking on it. She'll come back as some shell of a character. She wont be a move reading super ninja capable of hanging with Batman. She wont be the daughter of Lady Shiva (which means its doubtful she'll be the daughter of David Cain). Start taking those elements away and its no longer Cass Cain is it?

#17 Edited by KingofMadCows (345 posts) - - Show Bio

@SmashBrawler said:

Why are you guys acting like these characters won't be coming back? Back in the 80's DC said Supergirl, Krypto, Kandor and other elements of the Superman mythos would be gone for good after COIE.

Were are they now? Oh, yeah...

While it is likely that she will be back, most fans don't want to wait 20 or 30 years for it to happen.

Although, as much as I'd love to see Cass come back, the chances that she will be well written while the current editorial staff is still around, especially DiDio, is very low.

Clearly, the editorial do not like Cass. They wanted her to turn evil after Infinite Crisis and decided to hire Beechen, who knew nothing about the character and had never read her series, to write that story. Then they decided to get Beechen again to do her miniseries to try to make up for the mistakes he made. They pretty much intentionally sabotaged her and constantly thwarted her chances of coming back.

Writers, like Gail Simone and Scott Snyder, have actually said that they wanted to use Cass but were told by the editorial that she was off limits. Snyder said that he created Harper Row because they wouldn't let him use Cass.

#18 Posted by Mercy_ (92767 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ravager4 said:

Add to that the fact that Lady Shiva, her mother, has been de-aged to be Dick's age...

so unless they remove her as Shiva's daughter, she wouldn't be showing up as anything more than, like, a five year old girl at best.

Somebody had a theory somewhere with how that could still work somehow. I'm gonna try and dig it up.

@KingofMadCows said:

Writers, like Gail Simone and Scott Snyder, have actually said that they wanted to use Cass but were told by the editorial that she was off limits. Snyder said that he created Harper Row because they wouldn't let him use Cass.

This is what breaks my heart. It's not like there's a lack of interest (both of the aforementioned have been very public in saying how much they love her (and Steph) and have reached out with requests to use them). It's all Editorial .

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#19 Posted by mpierce2690 (316 posts) - - Show Bio

Hasn't the current rumor been that she's going to appear in Batman Inc? Either way, I'm sure that we'll see her, just like we'll see Wally West and Stephanie Brown, the question is only "when?" Personally, I think that we'll see Wally sooner than the other three, but at least Stephanie has some evidence as returning as Spoiler. Wasn't her bio as Spoiler used in some New 52 handbook or background piece recently?

#20 Posted by TDK_1997 (14900 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm fine with Starfire but she indeed needs to return but that won't happen.

#21 Posted by X9 (757 posts) - - Show Bio

: She can still be Shiva's and David's daughter, it'd only take a longer time for her to show up again. Maybe a younger version of Cass... I wouldn't mind seeing her and Damian kicking ass. In fact, I think these characters are meant to know each other.

Plus, I've heard rumors she'd appear in Batman Inc :P

I'm just saying her story will probably change, but I trust they will be wise enough not to destroy the character.

I'd rather wait a longer time to read good stuff of Cass than have her showing up now with mediocre story-arcs...

#22 Posted by danhimself (22578 posts) - - Show Bio

reading through this thread just made me sooooo angry

#23 Posted by ChaosAgent (61 posts) - - Show Bio

I miss Cass, and Steph.

Speaking of Wally, I'm still waiting for him to make his grand re-appearance...I do agree that his inclusion into the New 52 will happen sooner (IF he does return) than the returns of Cassandra, Stephanie, Donna, Jade (whose return seems almost impossible), or any other desired character.

#24 Edited by TheHeaven_Guardian10 (12 posts) - - Show Bio

@MrShway88: Cassandra Cain was, is, and will always be the best Batgirl.

I second this motion.

#25 Posted by mpierce2690 (316 posts) - - Show Bio

@ChaosAgent said:

I miss Cass, and Steph.

Speaking of Wally, I'm still waiting for him to make his grand re-appearance...I do agree that his inclusion into the New 52 will happen sooner (IF he does return) than the returns of Cassandra, Stephanie, Donna, Jade (whose return seems almost impossible), or any other desired character.

If I remember right, I think Dido was saying that he's waiting for the right story for Wally to return, and Francis Manapul has said more than once that he's got a proposal for Wally's return on DC's desk.

#26 Posted by KingofMadCows (345 posts) - - Show Bio

@mpierce2690 said:

@ChaosAgent said:

I miss Cass, and Steph.

Speaking of Wally, I'm still waiting for him to make his grand re-appearance...I do agree that his inclusion into the New 52 will happen sooner (IF he does return) than the returns of Cassandra, Stephanie, Donna, Jade (whose return seems almost impossible), or any other desired character.

If I remember right, I think Dido was saying that he's waiting for the right story for Wally to return, and Francis Manapul has said more than once that he's got a proposal for Wally's return on DC's desk.

Yeah, but DiDio lies all the time. He's been saying that they had "big plans" for Cass every year since 2006.

#27 Posted by Hklb95 (35 posts) - - Show Bio

@X9: @X9 said:

: She can still be Shiva's and David's daughter, it'd only take a longer time for her to show up again. Maybe a younger version of Cass... I wouldn't mind seeing her and Damian kicking ass. In fact, I think these characters are meant to know each other.

Plus, I've heard rumors she'd appear in Batman Inc :P

I'm just saying her story will probably change, but I trust they will be wise enough not to destroy the character.

I'd rather wait a longer time to read good stuff of Cass than have her showing up now with mediocre story-arcs...

i would hate to see another hero Damian's age. dc got rid of characters that age when they had the titans grow up in the comics before the new 52. Damian is the only character that should exist that is that young in the comics and that is only because based off the past that the character has he was born to be robin

#28 Posted by Hklb95 (35 posts) - - Show Bio

@ChaosAgent said:

I miss Cass, and Steph.

Speaking of Wally, I'm still waiting for him to make his grand re-appearance...I do agree that his inclusion into the New 52 will happen sooner (IF he does return) than the returns of Cassandra, Stephanie, Donna, Jade (whose return seems almost impossible), or any other desired character.

I think they should turn wally into impulse and that he should take over the role that Bart did not take in the new 52

#29 Posted by Batmandemon23 (138 posts) - - Show Bio

If people are worried about the De-ageing of lady shiva, then why not just make cass her younger sister so that way she can retain a genetic connection with shiva while still being within tim's age range.

#30 Posted by FinalAvalanche (46 posts) - - Show Bio

@Batmandemon23 said:

If people are worried about the De-ageing of lady shiva, then why not just make cass her younger sister so that way she can retain a genetic connection with shiva while still being within tim's age range.

For that matter, why not make Cass Shiva's niece? In the old DCU Shiva had a deceased older sister, Carol, if I remember correctly.

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