http://www.comicvine.com/articles/dc-announces-10-convergence-titles-featuring-steph/1100-150368/

The Batgirl issue:

One image > 1000 words :)

I'm so hyped for Cass, she my baby.

I'm very hyped as well...and she's mine too :)

@theheaven_guardian10: @bat_girl_cc: well...Cass Cain have become villain and bad guy, so will you guys ever consider it canon or you guys ignore and pretend it never occur ?

Cass was never really one of the "bad-guys"...she was drugged by Deathstroke.

Also, i never ignore anything, unless it's:

1) extremely bad-writting

2) there's no decent explanation, as to why stuff happens the way it happens.

@bat_girl_cc: so you don't consider Cass Cain being drugged by Deathstroke a bad writing ? Okay if you say it is not then who am I to argue right. I have to agree with you :)

No, because what Cass did was later explained by the fact that she was being drugged by Slade...but i do consider Slade managing to drugg Cass, bad-writting, though...but that may possibly be my bias talking :)

@bat_girl_cc: Same here I think that part was a bit weak. Cass is little to wicked for that. But like you I'm bias on the subject. Just happy my Cass is back.

@bat_girl_cc: was she all ready drugged when she killed Shiva in the End of her first series or did this happened later?

Technically Slade should able to do this, he has enhanced intellect, physical attributes and also some kind of movement prediction ability. But I didn't read this storyline (where do I find it is not in one of the usual Batfamily titles) so I can't say if it was badly written or not.

What is convergence exactly? Does the storyline take place somewhere in the far future or something where Cass is Black bat?

Convergence its directly connected with Futures End, and with Earth-2 Worlds End, and after its finished, a new status quo will be set for the DC Universe.

Although, the changes, may not be very big, and chances are, they won't.

@bat_girl_cc: You could also say that Cass beeing able to dodge Sniper Bullets is PIS, since this shouldn't be possible for non superpowered human being.

And she has no "spider sense" she can't dodge if she didn't see the shooter.

And Deathstroke was able to take down most of the new Teen Titans in the his original appearance, therefore it is absolutely believable that he can find a way to take out Cass.

@aahz:

Furthermore, not only do Cassandra's other showings and abillities justify that feat, but also the feat in question justify's itself:

If you look at the scan above, with attention, you'll see that Cass was actually trained (by David Cain) to do that, as we can see both Cass doing it in "real-time" but also a flashback of her time with David Cain, when she also used to do it.

Also note, that David Cain trained Cass pretty much since birth to be Ra's All Ghul perfect body-guard, and he brought her with him to see one of his kills, when she was 5! which means that Cass was doing stuff like this, as well as both dodging and tanking bullets (i have scans) since a little child.

Like i said, stuff like this its standard for Cass.

@bat_girl_cc: For me is most of the stuff you see her do in these Flaschback sence also "PIS" (like beating up Bronze Tiger as a child or (nearly) breaking her fathers thumb as a baby).Because this is stuff that a non superpowered Char just shoulden't be able to do. You can't train to dodge a bullet at this distance simply because it is impossible.

I think that a well written Deathstroke should be able to beat any street-leveler he faces, although, Cassandra's abillities, justify, his claims, when he basically said that he can't beat Cass in a straight up fight.

To be honest, I think he should be able to beat her in a straight up fight, she might be the better martial artist, but this but he has his meta human abilitys.

Comic-book physic-laws =/= real life physic-laws.

Comic-book people >>>>> real life people.

Also, she was born and raised to be unstopable (as a human can be, that is) so her being able to perform crazy stuff, is to be expected.

And her abillities are consistent, so i don't consider them PIS.

" To be honest, I think he should be able to beat her in a straight up fight, she might be the better martial artist, but this but he has his meta human abilitys. "

Cass has performed tons of meta-human feats...speed-feats, stricking-power feats, durabillity feats, etc.

She definitely should be able to at least keep up with him, regardless of his enhancements.

And the fact is, in 1-on-1 fights, the record between them, its 0-3-0 (3 stallemates).

But she isn't meta-human, so she shouldn't have those feats in my opinion. All she has is body reading and martial arts training. This shouldn't allow to perform this feats. And you never see Shiva (who is close to Cass in terms of martial arts skills and was better than her in the beginning of her series) or similar skilled martial Artists do stuff like this.

1) Look at Karate Kid...the guy is supposed to be "just" peak-human, and yet, he consistently owns Superman-level characters while only going Hand-to-Hand against them, regardless of their abillities, besides their over the top, super human stats.

And he does it, due to his skill.

2) Nope, Lady Shiva is not close to Cass in terms of martial arts skills...she's way better!...(the best according to Batman himself)...Cass is very good herself, but when she lost her abillity to Body-Read, she got easly defeated by both Batman and Lady Shiva, its her Body-Reading (which also amps her overall speed) that allows her to hang with the best and beat the best, in pure Hand-to-Hand.

Without her Body-Reading, Cass is still better than the most, but still far from a top-tier in pure-skill.

3) Again, we can't be so "realistic" regarding comic-books, because by real-life standards, Batman would die every night, since its impossible for a normal human to jump from a building to another, which is one of the most basic things that all Bat-family members do.

The thing is, while street-levelers are much closer to real-life human-limits, than characters like Superman or Wonder Woman, even them, can't have such boundaries, otherwise, it would be very hard, to tell a proper super-hero story.

@aahz:

Also, regarding our debate of Cass vs Deathstroke (about who's more capable than who)...there's one thing that i forgot to mention, and that i think that its important, its that much like Batman, Cass also holds-back alot, due to her morals.

For instances, on Batgirl #62 - The Hood, Part Three: Dead Weight

Cass stated that she could have stopped Deathstroke, Lady Shiva, The Pinguim, and all of the others, if she wantted to

(stopping them, like in, killing them)

Cass didn't do it, due to her morals.

And at the time, Cass had already faced all of them, on many ocasions, so i'd say that she knew what she was saying (or in this case, thinking, since she was dreaming).

1) Look at Karate Kid...the guy is supposed to be "just" peak-human, and yet, he consistently owns Superman-level characters while only going Hand-to-Hand against them, regardless of their abillities, besides their over the top, super human stats.

And he does it, due to his skill.

In my opinion he is even worse than Cass in this regard.

Again, we can't be so "realistic" regarding comic-books, because by real-life standards, Batman would die every night, since its impossible for a normal human to jump from a building to another, which is one of the most basic things that all Bat-family members do.

Yeah, but for me the stuff Cass does is in my opinion even unrealistic by Batman Comic standards.

It is similar to the Damian vs. Ubu fight in "Son of Batman", in non of the animated series I ever had a problem when a Robin took down an adult, but this fight just looks total unrealistic to me.

its her Body-Reading (which also amps her overall speed) that allows her to hang with the best and beat the best, in pure Hand-to-Hand.

But it shouldn't allow her to out ran an Batarang, punch a hole in a Wall (because lock picking wasn't included in her awesome training) or dodge Bullets fired from five diverent shooters at close range.

And is thin the quote in this picture is more about thst she should have killed them, than about her ability to beat them in a fight.

" In my opinion he is even worse than Cass in this regard. "

I actually don't like him very much, because what he does (unlike Cass) puts him above street-level! which a peak-human shouldn't be.

What he does, its too much for a human, even by comic-book-standards, although i can't deny his skill and capabillities, since he does it consistently.

" Yeah, but for me the stuff Cass does is in my opinion even unrealistic by Batman Comic standards. "

Batman himself does crazy stuff too, its just not as consistent as it is on Cassandra's case.

" It is similar to the Damian vs. Ubu fight in "Son of Batman", in non of the animated series I ever had a problem when a Robin took down an adult, but this fight just looks total unrealistic to me. "

The difference is, in the comics, Damian has never displayed that level of skill, ever!...even Tim Drake has consistently owned him.

While Cassandra's feats are consistent, and she has been born and raised to be the best assassin possible, for a human that is.

Bronze Tiger while being a top-tier figher himself, stated that only the entire league of assassins could've beaten Shiva, and that she wasn't even nearly as good as she is now, indicating that there's a considerable gap difference in skill between them, and Cass on her prime defeated Lady Shiva twice, so Cass beating Bronze Tiger, even while still being a child, isn't something too-far-fetched...alhough, yes, Bronze Tiger jobbed there, he should always be portrayed as being a serious threat, even though Cass was consistently portrayed as being on a higher level, and rightfully so, in my opinion.

" But it shouldn't allow her to out ran an Batarang, punch a hole in a Wall (because lock picking wasn't included in her awesome training) or dodge Bullets fired from five diverent shooters at close range. "

We got to know most of Cassandra's training through flash-backs and statements, it was stuff that could have been more deeply adressed, i think, bottom-line is, a considerable part of her training was off-panel, (too many capabillities, i guess :) ) which means that we can't know for sure, the full extent of her training.

As for the rest, its a matter of opinion really...its the old "should or should not a comic-book-character do this, or do that" debate...i know that there are others who think the same as you, and there are others who think the same as me...besides, this has already been adressed, we're going in circles here.

" And is thin the quote in this picture is more about thst she should have killed them, than about her ability to beat them in a fight. "

Actually, Cass has some gadgets on her belt, but she almost never uses it...Cass wantting to kill or not, the only thing that would change, would be her morals, her way to operate, would remain the same, Body-Read her opponents(s), and then, punch, kick, nerve-strike, etc.

what i'm saying is, when Cass stated that she could have stopped them, she means like in a fight.