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#1 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

ok, i admit i'm still getting to grips with the Marvel Universe...

and i may not have picked the perfect comic here to be my first monthly introduction...

but seriously can someone explain all this to me...

first she was just Ms Marvel... then she got her Binary powers back, now she's lost her Binary powers, or had them taken away from her, never quite did understand the difference between Binary and Ms Marvel's minds...

anyway, and now she's a Skrull?

is there some sort of decoder ring or something i need to understand all this?

please, anyone?

M

#2 Posted by Copy (8336 posts) - - Show Bio

G-man started all of this skrull nonsense. I swear I saw him wearing a crown in his skrull form. :)

No idea and how did she lose her binary powers?

#3 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

Copy says:

"G-man started all of this skrull nonsense. I swear I saw him wearing a crown in his skrull form. :)No idea and how did she lose her binary powers?"

i may have got it wrong, and this is what normally happens to her as Binary... as i said i'm only just getting to grips with the Marvel universe...

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#4 Posted by Fenris the Wolf (121 posts) - - Show Bio

Wait she lost her Binary powers already? and is not a Skrull?

I'm so lost...

#5 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

Fenris the Wolf says:

"Wait she lost her Binary powers already? and is not a Skrull?"

i thought she just lost her binary powers and was a Skrull...

scratches head

confused...

M

#6 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"That threw me off too. For some reason I don't think she's really a Skrull. Not only do were get her inner monologue all the time in her book (and Mighty Avengers), when Cru was all involved with her DNA nothing happened. I figure that sort of thing might give her away. Cru was healing her perfectly every time she got jacked up, if Cru saw her Skrull DNA and healed her according to that she'd look like a Skrull every time she healed. Unless the Skrull is so far undercover (a sleeper) that it doesn't know it's a Skrull (so it wouldn't be in the thoughts we read) and it's copying her on a level that not even aliens can detect, I don't think she's a Skrull. It could be a way to ferret out who the real Skrull on the team is though."

...

has never been more confused

M

#7 Posted by Copy (8336 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanks m. And if she is a skrull, I feel bad for wonder man.

#8 Posted by Buckshot (18919 posts) - - Show Bio

That threw me off too. For some reason I don't think she's really a Skrull. Not only do were get her inner monologue all the time in her book (and Mighty Avengers), when Cru was all involved with her DNA nothing happened. I figure that sort of thing might give her away. Cru was healing her perfectly every time she got jacked up, if Cru saw her Skrull DNA and healed her according to that she'd look like a Skrull every time she healed. Unless the Skrull is so far undercover (a sleeper) that it doesn't know it's a Skrull (so it wouldn't be in the thoughts we read) and it's copying her on a level that not even aliens can detect, I don't think she's a Skrull. It could be a way to ferret out who the real Skrull on the team is though.

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#9 Posted by Andferne (38808 posts) - - Show Bio

Could there be two Ms Marvel's running around? One a Skrull and the other the real deal?

I liked Ms Marvel I hope she doesn't turn out to really be a Skrull.

#10 Posted by fesak (7061 posts) - - Show Bio

Andferne says:

"Could there be two Ms Marvel's running around? One a Skrull and the other the real deal?"

That's what i think. Also there's an alternate reality Ms Marvel somewhere, from earlier in the series.
Post Edited:2008-02-08 19:37:18

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#11 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

so we actually could have 3 Ms Marvels running around...

damn, this is getting worse than Supergirl lol

why do i always have to pick the complicated ones?

M

#12 Posted by Andferne (38808 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"so we actually could have 3 Ms Marvels running around... damn, this is getting worse than Supergirl lol why do i always have to pick the complicated ones? M"

lol poor Methos. If it wasn't complicated, it wouldn't be fun though.....right?

#13 Posted by G-Man (36774 posts) - - Show Bio

Ms. Marvel's a Skrull...?

And about two Ms. Marvel's running around, they already did that in issue 10

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#14 Posted by G-Man (36774 posts) - - Show Bio

I forgot to mention last night, I'm pretty sure this has been posted here before somewhere but here's the cover to issue 25:

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#15 Posted by Vance Astro (91286 posts) - - Show Bio

AWWWW F#CK YOU MARVEL!

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#16 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

i'm actually more intrigued by the premise of Ms Marvel being a Skrull...

M

#17 Posted by Vance Astro (91286 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"i'm actually more intrigued by the premise of Ms Marvel being a Skrull... M"

So am I.well not so much intrigued as I am pissed! Ms.Marvel is my second favorite female superhero.We haven't discovered yet either if the skrulls are killing people and replacing them and Elektra and Blackbolt are dead.Or they are hiding them and replacing them meaning they both and Ms.Marvel are still alive.

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#18 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

i'm not sure as to what the Skrulls have planned... as you can see i'm only just getting into the Marvel universe, but Ms Marvel has become a quick favorite of mine :D

M

#19 Posted by Vance Astro (91286 posts) - - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"That threw me off too. For some reason I don't think she's really a Skrull. Not only do were get her inner monologue all the time in her book (and Mighty Avengers), when Cru was all involved with her DNA nothing happened. I figure that sort of thing might give her away. Cru was healing her perfectly every time she got jacked up, if Cru saw her Skrull DNA and healed her according to that she'd look like a Skrull every time she healed. Unless the Skrull is so far undercover (a sleeper) that it doesn't know it's a Skrull (so it wouldn't be in the thoughts we read) and it's copying her on a level that not even aliens can detect, I don't think she's a Skrull. It could be a way to ferret out who the real Skrull on the team is though."
I hope your right Buck.BTW I believe Ms.Marvel becomes Binary when she absorbs too much energy.I think When the Avengers fought he collective after he killed after flight,she absorbed alot of his energy and became Binary at the end of the comic.Or I think it happens when she absorbs cosmic energy.
Post Edited:2008-02-09 11:25:14
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#20 Posted by G-Man (36774 posts) - - Show Bio

I really don't think Ms. Marvel is really a Skrull. An argument I made before was with all the thought balloons Bendis has used, it shows us what'd going on in their minds. Someone (sorry I forget who) said that maybe they are brainwashed into actually believing they are the hero they're impersonating. That makes sense to prevent telepaths and such read their minds. Buuuut we've already seen a couple who are fully aware they are skrulls:

Crusader:

and the Revolutionary from the Liberteens (sorry, don't have a scan of that).

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#21 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

hmmm...

so Skrull Watch has another 'possible' to add to their list lol

M
Post Edited:2008-02-09 12:29:34

#22 Posted by Methias (437 posts) - - Show Bio

If she is a Skrull I'm burning down Marvel's headquarters.

#23 Posted by Holacik (558 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"i'm not sure as to what the Skrulls have planned... as you can see i'm only just getting into the Marvel universe, but Ms Marvel has become a quick favorite of mine :D M"

I'd recomend checking out Iron Fist, that series is awesome.

#24 Posted by Holacik (558 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"i'm not sure as to what the Skrulls have planned... as you can see i'm only just getting into the Marvel universe, but Ms Marvel has become a quick favorite of mine :D M"

The Skrull empire is pretty much gone, their homeworld was eaten by Galactus, it's probably a start to a new empire.

#25 Posted by zero edge (3696 posts) - - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"That threw me off too. For some reason I don't think she's really a Skrull. Not only do were get her inner monologue all the time in her book (and Mighty Avengers), when Cru was all involved with her DNA nothing happened. I figure that sort of thing might give her away. Cru was healing her perfectly every time she got jacked up, if Cru saw her Skrull DNA and healed her according to that she'd look like a Skrull every time she healed. Unless the Skrull is so far undercover (a sleeper) that it doesn't know it's a Skrull (so it wouldn't be in the thoughts we read) and it's copying her on a level that not even aliens can detect, I don't think she's a Skrull. It could be a way to ferret out who the real Skrull on the team is though."

Yeah I agree, I don't think she's a skrull. I think Iron Man could be the Skrull trying to throw us all off.
Post Edited:2008-02-09 13:03:21

#26 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

zero edge says:

"Yeah I agree, I don't think she's a skrull. If anything, Iron Man could be the Skrull trying to throw us all off."

Iron Man as a Skrull...

he could have been a Skrull since before Civil War and all of it is one elaborate Skrull Plot to throw earth's mutants / metahumans into chaos...

i like it :D

M

#27 Posted by G-Man (36774 posts) - - Show Bio

The problem wit Iron Man being a Skrull (I've mentioned this in the other Skrull thread which is where we should be talking about all this http://www.comicvine.com/message/skrull-watch-08/460686/&c=124&page=7#post505543 ) is after Ultron gave him a sex change, Reed Richards and Hank Pym gave him a full diagnostic check. They looked at him inside and out. So unless they're Skrulls too, Tony Stark can't be.

The Skrulls may be smart and have advanced technology but I don't think they'd be smart enough to trick Richards and Pym. After all, these are the dudes that got tricked into being cows.

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#28 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

dunno...

i'll just wait and see what happens...

but it is fun to speculate about how long this invasion has been going on for

M

#29 Posted by warlock360 (28063 posts) - - Show Bio

wasnt it since the day the fantastic 4 assembled?

#30 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

Vance Astro says:

"I don't think so.If Iron Man of all people is a skrull Civil War was a total waste of time."

or Civil War was just another piece in the larger Skrull invasion plan...

M

#31 Posted by Vance Astro (91286 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"zero edge says:
"Yeah I agree, I don't think she's a skrull. If anything, Iron Man could be the Skrull trying to throw us all off."
Iron Man as a Skrull... he could have been a Skrull since before Civil War and all of it is one elaborate Skrull Plot to throw earth's mutants / metahumans into chaos... i like it :D M "

I don't think so.If Iron Man of all people is a skrull Civil War was a total waste of time.

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#32 Posted by Vance Astro (91286 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"Vance Astro says:
"I don't think so.If Iron Man of all people is a skrull Civil War was a total waste of time."
or Civil War was just another piece in the larger Skrull invasion plan... M "

Yes exactly,however Iron Man is the greatest asset to the skrull invasion.If Iron Man is a skrull,Earth already lost.

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#33 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

which may be the actual point of it...

M

#34 Posted by Vance Astro (91286 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"which may be the actual point of it... M"

Well then...ummmm....ummmmm...If earth loses then what will be left? Damnit Marvel..the suspense is killing me.I honestly don't think Tony is a skrull though.

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#35 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

maybe Earth loosing is the next major arc...

with a massive crossover story following every issue about how the remaining heroes / villains survive the invasion and try and fight back

hell, even i'd buy that lol

M

#36 Posted by warlock360 (28063 posts) - - Show Bio

Snap i just thought about sumthin... what if EVERYONE except the person that is mostly expected to be one (Iron Man) is a Skrull!?

#37 Posted by Vance Astro (91286 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"maybe Earth loosing is the next major arc... with a massive crossover story following **every** issue about how the remaining heroes / villains survive the invasion and try and fight back hell, even i'd buy that lol M"

Actually Methos,that would be kind of cool.If the Skrulls took over earth and then we get to see how humans live under skrulls and then it will be like Civil War all over again with heroes hiding out everywhere,waiting to strike.Only to rise up again and take earth back.Sounds good to me.

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#38 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

Vance Astro says:

"Actually Methos,that would be kind of cool.If the Skrulls took over earth and then we get to see how humans live under skrulls and then it will be like Civil War all over again with heroes hiding out everywhere,waiting to strike.Only to rise up again and take earth back.Sounds good to me."

yeah, that would be an amazingly dark story... it's have to be done well though and with amazing artwork all the way through...

M

#39 Posted by Vance Astro (91286 posts) - - Show Bio

Warlock360 says:

"Snap i just thought about sumthin... what if EVERYONE except the person that is mostly expected to be one (Iron Man) is a Skrull!?"

Then as I said,Earth doesn't stand a chance,but I'm sure people have always suspected him.Jessica Drew just started trusting him too.If it isn't him this thing can go two ways if not then it's only one way.

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#40 Posted by Vance Astro (91286 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"Vance Astro says:
"Actually Methos,that would be kind of cool.If the Skrulls took over earth and then we get to see how humans live under skrulls and then it will be like Civil War all over again with heroes hiding out everywhere,waiting to strike.Only to rise up again and take earth back.Sounds good to me."
yeah, that would be an amazingly dark story... it's have to be done well though and with amazing artwork all the way through... M"

speaking of artwork,I would hope to see some Alex Ross on this project.

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#41 Posted by warlock360 (28063 posts) - - Show Bio

maybe the krees would get involved and wed get a Genis-Vell come back?

#42 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

Vance Astro says:

"speaking of artwork,I would hope to see some Alex Ross on this project."

that would be cool :D

M

#43 Posted by Vance Astro (91286 posts) - - Show Bio

Warlock360 says:

"maybe the krees would get involved and wed get a Genis-Vell come back?"

The Kree are soft,I wouldn't count on it.The only thing here is if Dr.Strange,Silver Surfer,or Thor are skrulls in addition to Tony.We are really done.I don't think that they would let the Earth be taken over but you know it could go either way.

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