Cardiac: Why is he still MIA? (Article)

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#1 Edited by k4tzm4n (34900 posts) - - Show Bio

 
Cardiac, like many other characters in the Marvel Universe (Toxin, Echo, etc), have been playing a pretty lengthy game of hide and seek with its readers.  So, what has Cardiac been up to?  Is he finally making use of all that vacation time he's accumulated as a well established doctor? Can writers simply not think of a good reason for him to grace the panels of comics again?  Or does Marvel think readers just don't care for him? Well, I think he's not only a good enough character to return to a title, but dare I say it, an interesting enough character to hold his own title.   
 
When he discovered the death of his younger brother could have been prevented if a medical company wasn't greedy enough to stall the release of a treatment, he swore to bring justice to all corruption and evil in the world.  Well, the Marvel Universe has seen plenty of that (Dark Reign, anyone?), so why wasn't he around?  His last appearance was was a mere two page fight with Spider-Man in Marvel Team-Up in 2004... Before that, another two page appearance in Wolverine back in 1999.  Now, I ask Marvel one simple question: Why?  Why has a character you've pitted against so many big names in the Marvel Universe been missing in action or barely around for over a decade?                                                                                                  
       
Cardiac, just like Frank Castle, is a man who will stick by his mission objective until the day he dies.  I don't know about you, but I would love to see more of his adventures.  He's an intellecutal man, capable of creating an artifical heart which enhances his abilities, but also relatable when it comes to his dialogue and even more-so to anyone who has ever lost a loved one.  I can understand his passion for justice and revenge, and it makes me interested in his personal life, too.  Dark Reign was the ideal time for the house of ideas to re-introduce him to the 616 Universe.  Corruption was widspead, and the nation was essentially being run by a madman.  Why not, at the very least, give Cardiac a one-shot or an appearance along-side the likes of another anti-hero (Punisher, Moon Knight come to mind)?  Even during the Heroic Age an effort can be made to reintroduce him.  Amazing Spider-Man, the series he made is first appearance in, already appears to be pulling everyone out of the woodworks, so why not give him another chance? 
 
 
The complaint could be made that Cardiac's appearances were more-or-less, repetitve.  He does research on a company, organization, or individual, and then attempts to put it to an end. Every now and then, there's a hero who gets in the way, and after an amusing fight, they see eye-to-eye. But when it comes down to that, isn't that what the Punisher is pretty much all about as well?  The difference is we've been given a deeper look into Frank Castle's life, and not just his action-oriented objectives.  So, I propose the same treatment for Cardiac, and in doing so, he'd naturally develop more as a character.  We'd learn to care even more for him as we dive into his personal life, instead of just observing his fight scenes and going "Damn, that guy is a bamf."  And just like every hero, a primary villain has already been established.  In Nightwatch, a spy for a competing company broke into Cardiac's lab and discovered his tech.  He took it upon himself to wear one of the armors, and then took the name Cardiaxe.  Just like Venom and Spider-Man, Cardiaxe knows Cardiac's true identity.    
 
 
 
The complaint could also be made that writers simply don't care for the character, and they never received enough feedback from the fans to care.  Well, now is your time to speak up!What do my fellow Viners think?  Writers have stated in interviews that they'll check this site, among many others.  So, for all we know someone might read this and be motivated to re-introduce him.  Would you like to see Cardiac make a return, and if so, to what degree? A cameo, a one-shot, or a chance at his own title?  Or is he simply too one-dimensional and should be left to stay forever in the back-issues?
 

 




 
 
 
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#2 Edited by Jake Fury (19187 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel needs their own version of the Secret Six or Suicide Squad to do something with these type characters. I'd buy it. 
 
Just think of a comic with guys like Cardiac, Deadzone, Foreigner (yes the Foreigner damnit!) and others.
#3 Posted by Amegashita (3560 posts) - - Show Bio

  Maybe it's because he's not that well known?  When you have so many mainstream characters that everyone is so focused on, it'll be pretty hard to get those people to look up some character they've never heard of before.  Not to mention the lack of appearances doesn't help the case.

#4 Posted by Metatron_Da_Don (1029 posts) - - Show Bio

A  one-shot, b4 he gets his own title. Looks like a good character design but Cardiaxe? come on now. Hopefully someone does something new with the character

#5 Posted by k4tzm4n (34900 posts) - - Show Bio
@Amegashita said:
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  Maybe it's because he's not that well known?  When you have so many mainstream characters that everyone is so focused on, it'll be pretty hard to get those people to look up some character they've never heard of before.  Not to mention the lack of appearances doesn't help the case.

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He actually has quite a few appearances in comparison to many other the other leser-known characters.  He's been in Amazing Spider-Man multiple times (had his own back up stories after the issue, too), Wolverine, Black Cat, and a few others.  Plus, how are people supposed to learn about characters if they aren't used? The last thing the public needs is overexposure to a restricted amount of characters, IMO. I think if he's introduced as a cameo in a larger title, or given his own one-shot (done well,  naturally), things could pick up.  Thanks for taking the time to comment.
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#6 Edited by k4tzm4n (34900 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jake Fury said:
"Marvel needs their own version of the Secret Six or Suicide Squad to do something with these type characters. I'd buy it.  Just think of a comic with guys like Cardiac, Deadzone, Foreigner (yes the Foreigner damnit!) and others. "

An equivalent of Secret Six would be an amazing idea... But I'm sure people can dispute that's exactly what "Thunderbolts" is. 
 
@Metatron_Da_Don
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"A  one-shot, b4 he gets his own title. Looks like a good character design but Cardiaxe? come on now. Hopefully someone does something new with the character "


Agreed! Cardiaxe would definitely require a revamp.
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#7 Posted by ComicMan24 (147032 posts) - - Show Bio

He seems like an interesting character. I would like to see him appearing in a comic.

#8 Posted by k4tzm4n (34900 posts) - - Show Bio
@ComicMan24:
If you'd like, I can recommed some of his back issues to you.
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#9 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29510 posts) - - Show Bio

He was sucked into Marvel's purgatory dimension along with Toxin, Scream, Hybrid, Echo and many others.
 
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If I was a writer for Marvel, I'd seriously make a mini-series and make that canon. Just imagine, all of the abandoned characters trying to escape.

#10 Posted by ComicMan24 (147032 posts) - - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n said:
" @ComicMan24: If you'd like, I can recommed some of his back issues to you. "
Sure.
 
@InnerVenom123 said:
" He was sucked into Marvel's purgatory dimension along with Toxin, Scream, Hybrid, Echo and many others.  ....  If I was a writer for Marvel, I'd seriously make a mini-series and make that canon. Just imagine, all of the abandoned characters trying to escape. "

Just like Limbo in DC.
#11 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29510 posts) - - Show Bio
@ComicMan24: Really, they have that? Huh. . . . well I'd still totally do it. :P
#12 Posted by ComicMan24 (147032 posts) - - Show Bio
@InnerVenom123: Yeah, it appeared during Final Crisis. Characters that haven't been used for a long time, go there.
#13 Edited by k4tzm4n (34900 posts) - - Show Bio
@ComicMan24:  
I recommend:
ASM 345-345, 359-360, 376,377 
Nightwatch 5,7 
Also, he has an entire back up story (where he fights the Scoprion) in Web of Spider-Man 107,108.  
 
Hope that helps!
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#14 Posted by ComicMan24 (147032 posts) - - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n: A lot, thanks.
#15 Posted by Amegashita (3560 posts) - - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n:  Overexposure is always bad but as long as those characters sell they'll continue to get overexposed.  If they could drop the exposure down a notch then characters like Cardiac could get a chance to shine.  A one shot would be a good way to introduce the character to the public, I'd buy it.
#16 Posted by k4tzm4n (34900 posts) - - Show Bio
@Amegashita: 
I agree.  It seems like a one-shot tends to be the best way to gain more attention to a character, especially if the one-shot has a cameo with an already overexposed character. 
/shrug 
 
@ComicMan24:

He's in more, but those were the best ones that comes to mind. 
 
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#17 Posted by ComicMan24 (147032 posts) - - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n: They are ok.
#18 Edited by ForbushBug (487 posts) - - Show Bio
@InnerVenom123 said:

" He was sucked into Marvel's purgatory dimension along with Toxin, Scream, Hybrid, Echo and many others.  ....  If I was a writer for Marvel, I'd seriously make a mini-series and make that canon. Just imagine, all of the abandoned characters trying to escape. "

There should soooo be an all 90's team. Cardiac, Adam X , Free Spirit, Wyre, Huntara... that would be awesome.
#19 Posted by Amegashita (3560 posts) - - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n:  Yeah.  Give Wolverine a cameo in the one shot and everyone buys it.
#20 Posted by k4tzm4n (34900 posts) - - Show Bio
@Amegashita: 
Sad, but true.  Plus, it gives them a an excuse to team up (like hinted at below) or just a rematch :P 

 
 
 
 

   
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#21 Posted by Metatron_Da_Don (1029 posts) - - Show Bio
@ForbushBug said:

" @InnerVenom123 said:

" He was sucked into Marvel's purgatory dimension along with Toxin, Scream, Hybrid, Echo and many others.  ....  If I was a writer for Marvel, I'd seriously make a mini-series and make that canon. Just imagine, all of the abandoned characters trying to escape. "

There should soooo be an all 90's team. Cardiac, Adam X , Free Spirit, Wyre, Huntara... that would be awesome. "
 Adam X was recently seen in San Fran
#22 Posted by k4tzm4n (34900 posts) - - Show Bio

@ForbushBug:
lol

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#23 Posted by Morpheus_ (29696 posts) - - Show Bio
We have already spoken about this, and I agree. Cardiac was an interesting anti-hero and Amazing Spider-Man definitely wouldn't lose its impact by him making a cameo appearance every now and then. The real problem is not so much the lack of feedback from fans (it is difficult for characters with a relatively short life span, and have not appeared in an on-going series in over a decade, to have such), as it is the (apparent) lack of interest from writers. Cardiac along with Echo, Toxin, or my current avatar drift into comic book limbo because no one takes the time to investigate and care about them. All it would take would be one writer who has a personal investment in some of those characters and I'm sure we'd see them again, Marvel has nothing to lose by reintroducing them.
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#24 Posted by ForbushBug (487 posts) - - Show Bio
@Metatron_Da_Don: 
 
Yeah, as drunk fist fodder with a bunch of C-listers. Not the greatest of returns.
#25 Posted by iLLituracy (13494 posts) - - Show Bio

I remember he made a small appearance in the latest volume of Marvel Team-Up by Robert Kirkman. In it he put a beating to Spider-Man and ditched him. Disappointing that he's disappeared since then. 

#26 Posted by k4tzm4n (34900 posts) - - Show Bio
@iLLituracy:
I was unaware of this, thank you. To what degree does it appear? Is it a quick fight and he vanishes? A flashback?  That would imply he had a gap from 99-04, and then has remained MIA from 04-10.
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#27 Posted by k4tzm4n (34900 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_:
Well, if they need someone, I'm interested *goofy smile*
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#28 Posted by Andferne (38808 posts) - - Show Bio

I wouldn't mind seeing Cardiac out and about. But Toxin can stay gone.

#29 Posted by k4tzm4n (34900 posts) - - Show Bio
@Andferne:
LOL.
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#30 Posted by Andferne (38808 posts) - - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n: Hey I have to be honest. lol
#31 Posted by iLLituracy (13494 posts) - - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n said:
" @iLLituracy: I was unaware of this, thank you. To what degree does it appear? Is it a quick fight and he vanishes? A flashback?  That would imply he had a gap from 99-04, and then has remained MIA from 04-10. "
If I remember correctly, it was a quick 1-2 page fight. Might have been a bit longer, I'm sure Spider-Man lost and was late for work [he was working at Midtown High as a teacher]. I'll try to find the issue and scan the fight but it's not all that long of an appearance.
#32 Posted by iLLituracy (13494 posts) - - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n: 




Found it.
#33 Posted by k4tzm4n (34900 posts) - - Show Bio
@iLLituracy:
<3 you.
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#34 Posted by iLLituracy (13494 posts) - - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n:  
Its hard not to. (:
#35 Posted by k4tzm4n (34900 posts) - - Show Bio
@iLLituracy:
Updated my article to include your information.
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#36 Posted by CATMANEXE--defunct (17052 posts) - - Show Bio

Catman likes the cardiac mucho and has wanted more of him for a long time.
and really who cares if he's somewhat obscure, no more so than every character
that has been floating around since Civil war to date, particularly on the Initiative side of things.
they can toss characters like Menace and Screwball all over his books they could use a bit more of Cardiac.
really when you look at it obscure cast is a staple of Spider books. I'll take some 8-Ball while they're
at it as well. heck Cardiac vs 8-ball in a Cardiac mini or 1-shot, I'm sold.

#37 Posted by k4tzm4n (34900 posts) - - Show Bio
@CATMANEXE:
Had no idea you were also a fan.
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#38 Posted by CATMANEXE--defunct (17052 posts) - - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n: 
long time. grew up on those Spidey issues.
#39 Posted by k4tzm4n (34900 posts) - - Show Bio
@CATMANEXE:
*makes us Cardiac tee-shirts*
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#40 Posted by k4tzm4n (34900 posts) - - Show Bio

It appears the general agreement is a return would be best in the form of a one-shot.  Does anyone think he's worthy of a series?
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#41 Posted by Jake Fury (19187 posts) - - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n:
Marvel is releasing a Thunderstrike limited and the cover price is $3.99. Does that answer your question?  
 
#42 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29510 posts) - - Show Bio
@Andferne said:
"I wouldn't mind seeing Cardiac out and about. But Toxin can stay gone. "


Why? He has potential.
#43 Posted by k4tzm4n (34900 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jake Fury: 
No! 
 
@InnerVenom123:

It's odd they built him up as a hero and then never did anything with him. 
 
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#44 Posted by Jake Fury (19187 posts) - - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n:
Answer. I'd read a Cardiac limited before I'd read a Thudnerstrike one.
#45 Posted by Andferne (38808 posts) - - Show Bio
@InnerVenom123 said:
"Why? He has potential. "
To me they should of stopped with two 'main' symbiotes. Venom and Carnage. The rest had short term written all over them. Thankfully.
#46 Posted by Emperor Gonzo Noir (18976 posts) - - Show Bio

Give it time, he might make an appearance in Deadpool Team-up

#47 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29510 posts) - - Show Bio
@Andferne said:
" @InnerVenom123 said:
"Why? He has potential. "
To me they should of stopped with two 'main' symbiotes. Venom and Carnage. The rest had short term written all over them. Thankfully. "

I agree, but I still think the others had potential if only they could have been written better. (Scream, the female schizoid, Hybrid, the disabled, and Toxin, the cop).
#48 Posted by Andferne (38808 posts) - - Show Bio
@InnerVenom123:  Scream was the only one out of the '5' that I saw potential in. Hybrid and Toxin I throw in with the rest of the four.
#49 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29510 posts) - - Show Bio
@Andferne said:
" @InnerVenom123:  Scream was the only one out of the '5' that I saw potential in. Hybrid and Toxin I throw in with the rest of the four. "

I see. I liked how Hybrid had four voices in his head, and while I'm not sure on this, didn't they all tell him to do things in different ways? I never actually read the book with him, (I want to), but that's what I heard.
#50 Posted by Strafe Prower (11892 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Marvel should do like DC did. 
 
DC had Suicide Squad, and made Secret Six and Gotham City Sirens to keep people updated on villains. 
 
Marvel could have Thunderbolts, as well as a team with Cardiac, Toxin, Echo, Trauma, Deadzone and others. It would be awesome.(I almost died when I say the line-up I just wrote LOL.)

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