Is Steve Superhuman?

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#1 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

I was looking through some old threads a few nights ago and looking through some old Captain America books in the comic shop and apparently, Steve seems to have superhuman status. He's caught torpedos in his arms (that shows superhuman speed and strength), he's taken down the Hulk with a single punch, constantly dodges bullets like they're nothing, and has even escaped SHIELD headquarters without a problem, but not only that, he's ridden on a military jet, and has done other things that are incredible feats. Even though Marvel says he's only "peak human" I think he's Superhuman and may have a few powers we don't know about.

#2 Posted by Nighthunter (28580 posts) - - Show Bio

well it's to late to find out....

#3 Posted by Shaper (5168 posts) - - Show Bio

Nighthunter says:

"well it's to late to find out...."

O_O

#4 Posted by Blue Lantern 2814 (310 posts) - - Show Bio

pixelized says:

"Can it be said that Captain America is like the original wolverine? both were tested on and now they both get on our nerves and are extremely overrated"

I don't feel that way, I believe that they're two of the greatest characters in comics.... even if Wolverine is overused.


Post Edited:2008-03-21 11:30:57

#5 Posted by pixelized (62882 posts) - - Show Bio

Can it be said that Captain America is like the original wolverine? both were tested on and now they both get on our nerves and are extremely overrated

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#6 Posted by Dr. Victor von Doom (3118 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultimate Steve is Superhuman, 616 Steve is not.

#7 Posted by pixelized (62882 posts) - - Show Bio

The greatness of Captain america is lost upon me....catching tornadoes in his arms? like really, are we thor?

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#8 Posted by danhimself (22278 posts) - - Show Bio

the supersoldier serum wore off years ago, steve is nothing but a peak human, like batman

#9 Posted by Forever (4332 posts) - - Show Bio

danhimself says:

"the supersoldier serum wore off years ago, steve is nothing but a peak human, like batman"

The super soldier serum is what made him peak human and that's nothing like Batman. At one point the serum did wear off and he dropped in strength, quickness and everything across the board, but he regained his peak abilities rather soon after that.

#10 Posted by Sling Shot (3560 posts) - - Show Bio

Much like Batman, Cap is the expression in my opinion of human arrogance and therefore a fundamentally flawed character. The fact that He and Bats pull off superhuman feats with out being superhuman is a constant thorn in my otherwise enjoyment of the characters.

#11 Posted by capsvibranium (32 posts) - - Show Bio

captain america is arrogant? sorry, but you're going to have to back that up...

#12 Posted by Ketch (327 posts) - - Show Bio

Reread it. He is the "expression of human arrogance", that doesn't necessarily mean Cap himself has an arrogant personality. I took from it that his opinion is that humans think they're amazing so the character that's supposed to be the perfect human is capable of doing things that are amazing even if they don't fit within his "peak human" power level simply because humans should be that awesome. Maybe you're right and he meant that Cap is arrogant, but that's not what he said if you read the words as they're put down.

#13 Posted by Sling Shot (3560 posts) - - Show Bio

Thank you Ketch for catching a brothas meaning. It is hard out here for the Shot. yadadaimmeening?

#14 Posted by mantoid (2305 posts) - - Show Bio

I had no idea that Captain America did things like ride jets or catch torpedos. It sounds more like Spiderman material.

#15 Posted by Ebony Bishop (767 posts) - - Show Bio

pixelized says:

"The greatness of Captain america is lost upon me....catching tornadoes in his arms? like really, are we thor?"

I think the original feat was catching "torpedoes" not "tornados".

Cap was supposed to still be superhuman at his death, since Bucky, as the new Cap, has remarked that he, being a normal human, is having trouble throwing the shield like Cap did, and he has to use his bionic arm.

#16 Posted by Resonate (15054 posts) - - Show Bio

he might as well be superhuman after that beatdown he gave Hulk

#17 Posted by DEADPOOL (2702 posts) - - Show Bio

Captain America is border-line superhuman. His strength, speed, endurance, agility, reflexes, stamina, coordination, and senses are at the absolute peak of what a normal human can possibly possess without being super-human.

And believe it or not, but that technically makes him super-human. There are amazing feats where normal, every day people do unthinkable things... the human body possesses incredible power that we have yet to understand and harness.


Post Edited:2008-05-14 15:20:23

#18 Posted by Buckshot (18913 posts) - - Show Bio

I disagree. I don't think him saying that a normal human can't perform like him means that Cap was superhuman. Bucky's a normal human, better than most but not the best of current human potential, so even Cap's peak human feats are too much for him.

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#19 Posted by Echoes (154 posts) - - Show Bio

Ketch says:

"Reread it. He is the "expression of human arrogance", that doesn't necessarily mean Cap himself has an arrogant personality. I took from it that his opinion is that humans think they're amazing so the character that's supposed to be the perfect human is capable of doing things that are amazing even if they don't fit within his "peak human" power level simply because humans should be that awesome. Maybe you're right and he meant that Cap is arrogant, but that's not what he said if you read the words as they're put down."

Leon S Kennedy. RE4

That fits more than Cap if you ask me.

#20 Posted by The Man of Yesteryear (5502 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump!

When Steve Rogers became the first test subject of Project Rebirth, the super soldier serum elevated him to the peak of human physical perfection, creating the ultimate soldier. However, in Captain America #157-158, Cap was poisoned by Viper's miracle poison. The antidote he took formed a reaction, where Viper's exotic herbs mixed with the chemicals in his blood from the serum making him stronger, which would be considered superhuman. This was the reason Falcon went to T'Challa for tech for his wings, so he could keep up with Cap's new strength.

Just wondering if anyone has any info onto whether or not he ever lost his superhuman strength (not including his death).

#21 Posted by Jewlz_Verne (73 posts) - - Show Bio
@Blue Lantern 2814 said:
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pixelized says:

"Can it be said that Captain America is like the original wolverine? both were tested on and now they both get on our nerves and are extremely overrated"

I don't feel that way, I believe that they're two of the greatest characters in comics.... even if Wolverine is overused.


Post Edited:2008-03-21 11:30:57

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Wolverine has been killed by the x-men films he was my favourite character until that and i preferred his original orgins.
#22 Posted by Jewlz_Verne (73 posts) - - Show Bio
@danhimself said:
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the supersoldier serum wore off years ago, steve is nothing but a peak human, like batman

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Don't his body replenish the stuff?
#23 Posted by Jewlz_Verne (73 posts) - - Show Bio
@danhimself said:
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the supersoldier serum wore off years ago, steve is nothing but a peak human, like batman

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Don't his body replenish the stuff?
#24 Posted by ComicMan24 (147042 posts) - - Show Bio

His body regularly produces the Super-Soldier Serum.
#25 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

Steve Rogers is peak human, nothin more.

#26 Edited by likasomeboooooooody (4 posts) - - Show Bio

Let me clear this up. Contrary to popular belief, cap is NOT peak human. Rather, he is peak human POTENTIAL. What humans may some day be able to do he already can. He is beyond any athlete that has or ever will compete in the Olympic games. He is enhanced to the zenith of natural human evolution in all aspects. He is the PERFECT man. Many compare him to batman or other highly trained humans, wheras he out performs them in any area. Cap has been shown running around 60mph while carrying a wounded child to the nearest medical base. He has been shown throwing boulders at helicopters. These feats are beyond human currently. So in essence, Captain Steve Rogers is not superhuman, but borderline human. John byrne said that Caps base power levels were peak human, and that with adrenaline and motivation he could double his power ratings. He is an enhanced Super soldier. He was designed to be more than any man could train to.

#27 Edited by krauser99 (826 posts) - - Show Bio

@dr__victor_von_doom said:

Ultimate Steve is Superhuman, 616 Steve is not.

I disagree. 616 Steve in cannon stories has been called "Superhuman". As also his strength feats are actually better then Ult Steve(But to be fair he has much more to use). But there about the same level.

#28 Posted by royperzan (1 posts) - - Show Bio

to quote Eternal Chaos " Even though Marvel says he's only "peak human" I think he's Superhuman and may have a few powers we don't know about." I think Marvel really did mean peak human when they made him and still say this despite the incredible feats he has done, that could seem super human but I think its more about the principle behind the Captain is more to motivate people. Peak Human is totally unknown since people can keep breaking records and can do better based on the conditions and WILL POWER. this means Captain America can almost be as strong and he needs to be for the writers at Marvel since the will to stand in front of the HULK and try to punch him must be huge! so he succeeds because he believes he can do it so there for he can do it, its to give the child reader the classic saying "believe in the heart of the cards" oh shit no that's not it um... "if you put your mind to it you can do anything!" but Captain Americas actions speak this to its reader since storytelling in comic book form can get a little chaotic. Also this is the American way people all over the world think about when trying to start over in America "In America anything is possible if you put your mind to it, you can make it for yourself" I think this is the main idea behind Captain Americas strength.

#29 Posted by SirNickTheEpic (589 posts) - - Show Bio

hold the phone, cap is so far above batman its unreal. batman is not as fast, he doesnt heal, he isnt as agile, not as fast thinking. and he is certainly not as strong

#30 Posted by Oscars94 (2323 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap has some insane feats in his new movie. He sends enemies flying without much effort. His agility has vastly improved also.

#31 Posted by VMole (609 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirnicktheepic: Not that far ahead of Batman, he and Pre-52 Deathstroke share similar physical and mental attributes though. Both are army experiments that provided enhancements to their physical and mental states. One's an inspirational team-builder and the other is a dreaded team-breaker, but they both wear those stupid buccaneer boots and gloves.

#32 Posted by Jayc1324 (9294 posts) - - Show Bio

His bio here right above says peak human and that's the feel I have been getting. He's a comic book peak human, not quite superhuman.

#33 Posted by krauser99 (826 posts) - - Show Bio
@oscars94 said:

Cap has some insane feats in his new movie. He sends enemies flying without much effort. His agility has vastly improved also.

And what's funny is comic book Cap is greater then movie Cap. But the difference in the movie Cap in stats in comparison to movie Batman underlines the main point. That Steve is at a different level in strength and speed in comparison to a non-enhanced man.

The Super Soldier is a Super Human.

#34 Posted by MuyJingo (1550 posts) - - Show Bio

@oscars94 said:

Cap has some insane feats in his new movie. He sends enemies flying without much effort. His agility has vastly improved also.

And what's funny is comic book Cap is greater then movie Cap. But the difference in the movie Cap in stats in comparison to movie Batman underlines the main point. That Steve is at a different level in strength and speed in comparison to a non-enhanced man.

The Super Soldier is a Super Human.

Why do you always try to exaggerate how powerful 616 cap is? Movie cap and Ultimate cap are far, far more powerful than 616 cap. Without a doubt.

#35 Posted by krauser99 (826 posts) - - Show Bio

@muyjingo said:

@krauser99 said:
@oscars94 said:

Cap has some insane feats in his new movie. He sends enemies flying without much effort. His agility has vastly improved also.

And what's funny is comic book Cap is greater then movie Cap. But the difference in the movie Cap in stats in comparison to movie Batman underlines the main point. That Steve is at a different level in strength and speed in comparison to a non-enhanced man.

The Super Soldier is a Super Human.

Why do you always try to exaggerate how powerful 616 cap is? Movie cap and Ultimate cap are far, far more powerful than 616 cap. Without a doubt.

I don't need to try. He is at that level. I see your illogical thread of Cap and Bat physicals got moved out of the Cap forums. That is a major sign of your type of threads. Truth be told I wouldn't be surprised, if you were some banned poster from another forum. Keep this up and soon enough, even this account of yours will get banned.

Without a doubt you are wrong as always.

#37 Edited by Twix_Right_Side (2152 posts) - - Show Bio

@krauser99 said:

@muyjingo said:

@krauser99 said:
@oscars94 said:

Cap has some insane feats in his new movie. He sends enemies flying without much effort. His agility has vastly improved also.

And what's funny is comic book Cap is greater then movie Cap. But the difference in the movie Cap in stats in comparison to movie Batman underlines the main point. That Steve is at a different level in strength and speed in comparison to a non-enhanced man.

The Super Soldier is a Super Human.

Why do you always try to exaggerate how powerful 616 cap is? Movie cap and Ultimate cap are far, far more powerful than 616 cap. Without a doubt.

I don't need to try. He is at that level. I see your illogical thread of Cap and Bat physicals got moved out of the Cap forums. That is a major sign of your type of threads. Truth be told I wouldn't be surprised, if you were some banned poster from another forum. Keep this up and soon enough, even this account of yours will get banned.

Without a doubt you are wrong as always.

Don't waste your time.

Clearly he doesn't know about 616 Cap. It's hilarious how he thinks Movie Cap is stronger than 616 Cap. I hope he isn't one of the Batfans that try to say that Cap and Bats are equals physically,while trying desperately to undermine/lowball Cap's feats....probably while overrating Batman's with tenuous links on both accounts.

And yes,1610 Cap is Superhuman and MUCH stronger than his 1610 counterpart.

616 Cap is not peak human,though. He's been described (multiple times) to be Peak of Human Potential. Something that 616 humans will one day become. In essence,he's the next step in human evolution.

Daredevil is a peak human. Batman is a peak human. Captain America is not really.....his feats would put Deathstroke to shame,and I know people wouldn't dare call Deathstroke peak human.

tl;dr-

Ignorance/bias has no validity or relevance in this matter. It would be more relevant and valid to say that Wonder Woman is really Xenu in disguise.

#38 Posted by Twix_Right_Side (2152 posts) - - Show Bio

hold the phone, cap is so far above batman its unreal. batman is not as fast, he doesnt heal, he isnt as agile, not as fast thinking. and he is certainly not as strong

All are true,but at the same time,Batman isn't weak/slow on any account. And I think you mean that Batman doesn't have a healing factor....Cap does (although it's not Wolverine level,probably Spider-man level,though)

#39 Posted by krauser99 (826 posts) - - Show Bio

@krauser99 said:

@muyjingo said:

@krauser99 said:
@oscars94 said:

Cap has some insane feats in his new movie. He sends enemies flying without much effort. His agility has vastly improved also.

And what's funny is comic book Cap is greater then movie Cap. But the difference in the movie Cap in stats in comparison to movie Batman underlines the main point. That Steve is at a different level in strength and speed in comparison to a non-enhanced man.

The Super Soldier is a Super Human.

Why do you always try to exaggerate how powerful 616 cap is? Movie cap and Ultimate cap are far, far more powerful than 616 cap. Without a doubt.

I don't need to try. He is at that level. I see your illogical thread of Cap and Bat physicals got moved out of the Cap forums. That is a major sign of your type of threads. Truth be told I wouldn't be surprised, if you were some banned poster from another forum. Keep this up and soon enough, even this account of yours will get banned.

Without a doubt you are wrong as always.

Don't waste your time.

Clearly he doesn't know about 616 Cap. It's hilarious how he thinks Movie Cap is stronger than 616 Cap. I hope he isn't one of the Batfans that try to say that Cap and Bats are equals physically,while trying desperately to undermine/lowball Cap's feats....probably while overrating Batman's with tenuous links on both accounts.

And yes,1610 Cap is Superhuman and MUCH stronger than his 1610 counterpart.

616 Cap is not peak human,though. He's been described (multiple times) to be Peak of Human Potential. Something that 616 humans will one day become. In essence,he's the next step in human evolution.

Daredevil is a peak human. Batman is a peak human. Captain America is not really.....his feats would put Deathstroke to shame,and I know people wouldn't dare call Deathstroke peak human.

To be fair though. 616 Cap strength feats pound for pound are very slightly better then even Ult Cap but I view them as roughly the same by way of feats. Originally he was supposed to be stronger then 616 Cap(volume one Cap) but not so much now a days. Both have slightly better feats then Deathstroke in regards to strength. But I view Slade as well around there level.

#40 Edited by Twix_Right_Side (2152 posts) - - Show Bio

@krauser99: I agree completely with every word.

*follows*

#41 Posted by MuyJingo (1550 posts) - - Show Bio

@krauser99 said:

@muyjingo said:

@krauser99 said:
@oscars94 said:

Cap has some insane feats in his new movie. He sends enemies flying without much effort. His agility has vastly improved also.

And what's funny is comic book Cap is greater then movie Cap. But the difference in the movie Cap in stats in comparison to movie Batman underlines the main point. That Steve is at a different level in strength and speed in comparison to a non-enhanced man.

The Super Soldier is a Super Human.

Why do you always try to exaggerate how powerful 616 cap is? Movie cap and Ultimate cap are far, far more powerful than 616 cap. Without a doubt.

I don't need to try. He is at that level. I see your illogical thread of Cap and Bat physicals got moved out of the Cap forums. That is a major sign of your type of threads. Truth be told I wouldn't be surprised, if you were some banned poster from another forum. Keep this up and soon enough, even this account of yours will get banned.

Without a doubt you are wrong as always.

Don't waste your time.

Clearly he doesn't know about 616 Cap. It's hilarious how he thinks Movie Cap is stronger than 616 Cap. I hope he isn't one of the Batfans that try to say that Cap and Bats are equals physically,while trying desperately to undermine/lowball Cap's feats....probably while overrating Batman's with tenuous links on both accounts.

And yes,1610 Cap is Superhuman and MUCH stronger than his 1610 counterpart.

616 Cap is not peak human,though. He's been described (multiple times) to be Peak of Human Potential. Something that 616 humans will one day become. In essence,he's the next step in human evolution.

Daredevil is a peak human. Batman is a peak human. Captain America is not really.....his feats would put Deathstroke to shame,and I know people wouldn't dare call Deathstroke peak human.

tl;dr-

Ignorance/bias has no validity or relevance in this matter. It would be more relevant and valid to say that Wonder Woman is really Xenu in disguise.

Alt accounts are always so transparent.

My post didn't get moved, I moved it. I'll move it back :)

And that post was a good effort and long time coming to disprove some of the nonsense arguments you and slim tried to make. I mean really, trying to argue a figure of speech as a point. LOL

And what makes you think I would get banned krauser? My opinion may not be popular but I post it without trolling, lying and misrepresenting things as you tend to do.

Ultimate Captain America is without a doubt stronger and faster than 616 Cap. You are in the extreme minority if you think otherwise.

#42 Edited by Twix_Right_Side (2152 posts) - - Show Bio

@muyjingo said:

@twix_right_side said:

@krauser99 said:

@muyjingo said:

@krauser99 said:
@oscars94 said:

Cap has some insane feats in his new movie. He sends enemies flying without much effort. His agility has vastly improved also.

And what's funny is comic book Cap is greater then movie Cap. But the difference in the movie Cap in stats in comparison to movie Batman underlines the main point. That Steve is at a different level in strength and speed in comparison to a non-enhanced man.

The Super Soldier is a Super Human.

Why do you always try to exaggerate how powerful 616 cap is? Movie cap and Ultimate cap are far, far more powerful than 616 cap. Without a doubt.

I don't need to try. He is at that level. I see your illogical thread of Cap and Bat physicals got moved out of the Cap forums. That is a major sign of your type of threads. Truth be told I wouldn't be surprised, if you were some banned poster from another forum. Keep this up and soon enough, even this account of yours will get banned.

Without a doubt you are wrong as always.

Don't waste your time.

Clearly he doesn't know about 616 Cap. It's hilarious how he thinks Movie Cap is stronger than 616 Cap. I hope he isn't one of the Batfans that try to say that Cap and Bats are equals physically,while trying desperately to undermine/lowball Cap's feats....probably while overrating Batman's with tenuous links on both accounts.

And yes,1610 Cap is Superhuman and MUCH stronger than his 1610 counterpart.

616 Cap is not peak human,though. He's been described (multiple times) to be Peak of Human Potential. Something that 616 humans will one day become. In essence,he's the next step in human evolution.

Daredevil is a peak human. Batman is a peak human. Captain America is not really.....his feats would put Deathstroke to shame,and I know people wouldn't dare call Deathstroke peak human.

tl;dr-

Ignorance/bias has no validity or relevance in this matter. It would be more relevant and valid to say that Wonder Woman is really Xenu in disguise.

Alt accounts are always so transparent.

My post didn't get moved, I moved it. I'll move it back :)

And that post was a good effort and long time coming to disprove some of the nonsense arguments you and slim tried to make. I mean really, trying to argue a figure of speech as a point. LOL

And what makes you think I would get banned krauser? My opinion may not be popular but I post it without trolling, lying and misrepresenting things as you tend to do.

Ultimate Captain America is without a doubt stronger and faster than 616 Cap. You are in the extreme minority if you think otherwise.

Ah. So he IS one of those people.

And can you try to,you know,support your baseless claims (alt accounts...Really? Wow...). Or your nonsensical argument that Batman is just as strong as Steve? Or just as fast? Or just as durable?

Please,I am waiting......Actually,no,I'm not. I don't have time for this.I've come across too many people like this on other forums. You're probably just going to be stubborn,and stick to your ignorant opinion...which is probably just Batbias combined with wishful thinking.

And really? "LOL"? You are DEFINITELY one of those people. No matter what I say,it probably won't make a difference.

EDIT:

And btw,you yourself are in the extreme minority with all of that buzz. I wonder if you're gonna argue that Spider-man and Batman are physical equals next....

Hm. Looking through your account,I wonder why I see you try to make the same baseless arguments about Cap/Bats being physical equals on A LOT of Cap forums...And no,your opinion on the matter (If I'm even understanding it correctly) isn't just unpopular. It's unsupported and arbitrarily ridiculous. You would have a better chance of arguing that Batman is faster than Flash. But at the same time,you probably might do that,too.

Well,good day! I've said all I've needed to say. Hopefully you question yourself (hell,make an OPEN thread right now) about your opinion,and what it's based off of,and why 99% of the comic book community disagrees. I'm out!

#43 Edited by MuyJingo (1550 posts) - - Show Bio

@twix_right_side said:

Ah. So he IS one of those people.

And can you try to,you know,support your baseless claims (alt accounts...Really? Wow...). Or your nonsensical argument that Batman is just as strong as Steve? Or just as fast? Or just as durable?

Please,I am waiting......Actually,no,I'm not. I don't have time for this.I've come across too many people like this on other forums. You're probably just going to be stubborn,and stick to your ignorant opinion...which is probably just Batbias combined with wishful thinking.

And really? "LOL"? You are DEFINITELY one of those people. No matter what I say,it probably won't make a difference.

EDIT:

And btw,you yourself are in the extreme minority with all of that buzz. I wonder if you're gonna argue that Spider-man and Batman are physical equals next....

Hm. Looking through your account,I wonder why I see you try to make the same baseless arguments about Cap/Bats being physical equals on A LOT of Cap forums...And no,your opinion on the matter (If I'm even understanding it correctly) isn't just unpopular. It's unsupported and arbitrarily ridiculous. You would have a better chance of arguing that Batman is faster than Flash. But at the same time,you probably might do that,too.

Well,good day! I've said all I've needed to say. Hopefully you question yourself (hell,make an OPEN thread right now) about your opinion,and what it's based off of,and why 99% of the comic book community disagrees. I'm out!

It's not a baseless claim, just an accusation. I think you're an alt account for krauser due to the similar writing style and the comment about being "one of those people" after I just wrote a blogpost about that.

Maybe you're not. I don't really care too much. You should probably look up what arbitrary means before you misuse it again though.

I can link you to numerous threads showing that cap fans largely consider Ultimate cap to be physically superior to 616 cap, although you probably already know that and just disagree. It should be pretty obvious considering he covered a mile in a few seconds, can lift 2 - 4 tonnes, jumped onto a nuke and knocked around Ultimate Thor and Hulk. Even @slimj87d agrees Ultimate Cap > 616 Cap.

As for baseless arguments about Batman and Captain America...I made my case and supported it with evidence. I didn't embarrass myself by trying to use a figure of speech as evidence though :)

#44 Edited by Twix_Right_Side (2152 posts) - - Show Bio

@muyjingo said:

@twix_right_side said:

Ah. So he IS one of those people.

And can you try to,you know,support your baseless claims (alt accounts...Really? Wow...). Or your nonsensical argument that Batman is just as strong as Steve? Or just as fast? Or just as durable?

Please,I am waiting......Actually,no,I'm not. I don't have time for this.I've come across too many people like this on other forums. You're probably just going to be stubborn,and stick to your ignorant opinion...which is probably just Batbias combined with wishful thinking.

And really? "LOL"? You are DEFINITELY one of those people. No matter what I say,it probably won't make a difference.

EDIT:

And btw,you yourself are in the extreme minority with all of that buzz. I wonder if you're gonna argue that Spider-man and Batman are physical equals next....

Hm. Looking through your account,I wonder why I see you try to make the same baseless arguments about Cap/Bats being physical equals on A LOT of Cap forums...And no,your opinion on the matter (If I'm even understanding it correctly) isn't just unpopular. It's unsupported and arbitrarily ridiculous. You would have a better chance of arguing that Batman is faster than Flash. But at the same time,you probably might do that,too.

Well,good day! I've said all I've needed to say. Hopefully you question yourself (hell,make an OPEN thread right now) about your opinion,and what it's based off of,and why 99% of the comic book community disagrees. I'm out!

It's not a baseless claim, just an accusation. I think you're an alt account for krauser due to the similar writing style and the comment about being "one of those people" after I just wrote a blogpost about that.

And the accusation is baseless. And I used "one of those people",and that's your evidence? Similar writing style? Indulge me.....

It's cute that you think I'm an alt account for someone,but I'm not. Good job with that poorly supported arbitrary claim. I see that you are good at that. Hey,I got one! The moon is made out of cheese. Why? Because "it got holez".

Maybe you're not. I don't really care too much. You should probably look up what arbitrary means before you misuse it again though.

Really? Because that claim was ridiculous,it was an unsupported leap of faith.....it most likely WAS an arbitrary claim. It was preposterous. I think I used it correctly being that you made such a ridiculous accusation.

I can link you to numerous threads showing that cap fans largely consider Ultimate cap to be physically superior to 616 cap, although you probably already know that and just disagree. It should be pretty obvious considering he covered a mile in a few seconds, can lift 2 - 4 tonnes, jumped onto a nuke and knocked around Ultimate Thor and Hulk.

Wow. Reading is not your strongest suit,is it?

1. I don't care what they think. Whatever their reasons are their reasons. Not only that,but I agree. So again,your unsupported claim about me is baseless (and wrong...go figure).

2. It was said that it can be ARGUED that 616 Cap is superior by feats. Meaning,that if someone were to believe so,that it wouldn't be baseless.

As for baseless arguments about Batman and Captain America...I made my case and supported it with evidence. I didn't embarrass myself by trying to use a figure of speech as evidence though :)

No you didn't. You just made a ridiculous claim,and failed to support it. That's not the same thing. But by your standards,that really MUST mean that the moon is made out of cheese. And Santa must really be real.

Not saying that it didn't happen,but can I see the scan where 1610 Cap covered a mile in a few seconds? And by the way,how consistent is the feat of "knock(ing) around Ultimate Thor and Hulk"? Can I see a scan? Again,not saying that it didn't happen,but I wanna see it.

I have no idea what that last sentence means,so it's completely irrelevant. And are you insinuating that I embarrassed myself by "using a figure of speech as evidence"? Wow. Baseless claims are baseless. THAT must be your strongest suit.....

Just stop.

#45 Edited by MuyJingo (1550 posts) - - Show Bio

Well,good day! I've said all I've needed to say.

Lol. I knew that wasn't true.

I can't be bothered to reply to your last posts as it is full of namecalling. I think that better than anything shows your lack of an argument.

#46 Edited by Twix_Right_Side (2152 posts) - - Show Bio

@muyjingo said:

@twix_right_side said:

Well,good day! I've said all I've needed to say.

Lol. I knew that wasn't true.

I can't be bothered to reply to your last posts as it is full of namecalling. I think that better than anything shows your lack of an argument.

That what wasn't true? And you're basing an opinion off of my farewell? Wow....

Yeah. That's why you "can't be bothered"....show me where I called you names,please.Was that a pathetic attempt to dismiss my entire post?

"My lack of an argument"?? Wow. It's like you took the conscious effort to ignore everything I posted. Bravo....

Yup...my lack of an argument. Is that why you accused me of being someone else falsely without a rational base? Why you didn't support anything you said (still waiting for your claims about Ultimate Cap....but yet again,you don't support what you state)? Uh huh. You clearly have nothing to add to this conversation,don't try to point fingers with more baseless claims....(namecalling? Wow. Good way to dodge). Baseless claims are always fun.

You keep telling yourself that. Good job keeping relevance,bud.

Please don't waste my time with these idiotic messages that have no valid purpose -___-

#47 Posted by PapiNacho (2364 posts) - - Show Bio

yes

#48 Edited by krauser99 (826 posts) - - Show Bio

@muyjingo said:

@twix_right_side said:

@krauser99 said:

@muyjingo said:

@krauser99 said:
@oscars94 said:

Cap has some insane feats in his new movie. He sends enemies flying without much effort. His agility has vastly improved also.

And what's funny is comic book Cap is greater then movie Cap. But the difference in the movie Cap in stats in comparison to movie Batman underlines the main point. That Steve is at a different level in strength and speed in comparison to a non-enhanced man.

The Super Soldier is a Super Human.

Why do you always try to exaggerate how powerful 616 cap is? Movie cap and Ultimate cap are far, far more powerful than 616 cap. Without a doubt.

I don't need to try. He is at that level. I see your illogical thread of Cap and Bat physicals got moved out of the Cap forums. That is a major sign of your type of threads. Truth be told I wouldn't be surprised, if you were some banned poster from another forum. Keep this up and soon enough, even this account of yours will get banned.

Without a doubt you are wrong as always.

Don't waste your time.

Clearly he doesn't know about 616 Cap. It's hilarious how he thinks Movie Cap is stronger than 616 Cap. I hope he isn't one of the Batfans that try to say that Cap and Bats are equals physically,while trying desperately to undermine/lowball Cap's feats....probably while overrating Batman's with tenuous links on both accounts.

And yes,1610 Cap is Superhuman and MUCH stronger than his 1610 counterpart.

616 Cap is not peak human,though. He's been described (multiple times) to be Peak of Human Potential. Something that 616 humans will one day become. In essence,he's the next step in human evolution.

Daredevil is a peak human. Batman is a peak human. Captain America is not really.....his feats would put Deathstroke to shame,and I know people wouldn't dare call Deathstroke peak human.

tl;dr-

Ignorance/bias has no validity or relevance in this matter. It would be more relevant and valid to say that Wonder Woman is really Xenu in disguise.

Alt accounts are always so transparent.

My post didn't get moved, I moved it. I'll move it back :)

And that post was a good effort and long time coming to disprove some of the nonsense arguments you and slim tried to make. I mean really, trying to argue a figure of speech as a point. LOL

And what makes you think I would get banned krauser? My opinion may not be popular but I post it without trolling, lying and misrepresenting things as you tend to do.

Ultimate Captain America is without a doubt stronger and faster than 616 Cap. You are in the extreme minority if you think otherwise.

No offense the reason I say your are someone's other account. Is because no one can be this illogical/silly. No offense. Yet your account muyjingo seems very much just like that....a "troll" account. But if you are just that, as this your real account. Then never mind..LOL

At least you know your opinion is not popular. But it is not popular due to it being completely wrong. You try desperatly to prove Batman is as strong as Cap and fail all the time. You can't even prove Deathstroke is stronger then Captain America. As Deathstroke is stronger then Batman.

You lie and misrepresent things all the time. This was shown in your debates from the past.

#49 Posted by Saren (25274 posts) - - Show Bio

Calm down, all of you.

And yeah, Captain America's physicals are such a controversial issue that people get banned for disputing them. Get real. We have better things to do.

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#50 Edited by krauser99 (826 posts) - - Show Bio
@muyjingo said:

@twix_right_side said:

Ah. So he IS one of those people.

And can you try to,you know,support your baseless claims (alt accounts...Really? Wow...). Or your nonsensical argument that Batman is just as strong as Steve? Or just as fast? Or just as durable?

Please,I am waiting......Actually,no,I'm not. I don't have time for this.I've come across too many people like this on other forums. You're probably just going to be stubborn,and stick to your ignorant opinion...which is probably just Batbias combined with wishful thinking.

And really? "LOL"? You are DEFINITELY one of those people. No matter what I say,it probably won't make a difference.

EDIT:

And btw,you yourself are in the extreme minority with all of that buzz. I wonder if you're gonna argue that Spider-man and Batman are physical equals next....

Hm. Looking through your account,I wonder why I see you try to make the same baseless arguments about Cap/Bats being physical equals on A LOT of Cap forums...And no,your opinion on the matter (If I'm even understanding it correctly) isn't just unpopular. It's unsupported and arbitrarily ridiculous. You would have a better chance of arguing that Batman is faster than Flash. But at the same time,you probably might do that,too.

Well,good day! I've said all I've needed to say. Hopefully you question yourself (hell,make an OPEN thread right now) about your opinion,and what it's based off of,and why 99% of the comic book community disagrees. I'm out!

It's not a baseless claim, just an accusation. I think you're an alt account for krauser due to the similar writing style and the comment about being "one of those people" after I just wrote a blogpost about that.

Maybe you're not. I don't really care too much. You should probably look up what arbitrary means before you misuse it again though.

I can link you to numerous threads showing that cap fans largely consider Ultimate cap to be physically superior to 616 cap, although you probably already know that and just disagree. It should be pretty obvious considering he covered a mile in a few seconds, can lift 2 - 4 tonnes, jumped onto a nuke and knocked around Ultimate Thor and Hulk. Even @slimj87d agrees Ultimate Cap > 616 Cap.

As for baseless arguments about Batman and Captain America...I made my case and supported it with evidence. I didn't embarrass myself by trying to use a figure of speech as evidence though :)

Really Muyjingo. This is pretty desperate especially from your past debates. Using feats of Batman using the wings of a talon to aid him in a durability fall and other of him using Batman falling on a canopy.

And that supposedly equal his falls on a playing field that he fails to have durability falls on Cap's level. Seriously that is quite ridiculous.

And I find if funny that you cite a poster agreeing with you in one sense and yet that same poster disagrees with you in the very Batman vs Cap physical debates....LOL.

That is called a double standard as you accept one plea and not his other....LOL. You use that poster in agreement with your assertion in one and yet you sure don't use his statements in the other....LOL. You are this desperate.

I know you are.

But seriously you even made an even worse claim that the movie Cap has better feats or physicals then 616 Cap. To even make the silliest claims that Batman is equal to Cap in physicals. This is "laughable".

Your evidence is your own imagination of it looking how you want it to and believing how you want it to be.

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