I read his bio and it says he's peak human. So do writers just write him as super human? How else can he beat Spider-Man, Wolverine, Hulk, etc?
Thanks,
Joe
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He's peak human who randomly accomplishes superhuman feats. As far as how he's able to defeat certain characters, that all depends on the situation. Sometimes its through tactical brilliance and strategy/preparation, and other times it may just be PIS (plot induced stupidity).
By Marvels definition he is the peak of human "potential". Handbooks leave out potential making it lose its meaning.
Other writers have also called him the next step in human evolution. By Marvel definition Cap is a "pure" human. But genetically the highest level. So technically there right to say he is not "super" human. But he is at a superhuman level. Especially with his adrenaline bursts of running easily a mile a minute to seeing faster then us. To building level fall and jumps.
@JoeEddie:
captain america is is the bigging peak of superhuman bc batman and jason todd nightwing tim drake are as strong as a human can get then captain america is above that
This post covers it very well. He is beyond human but still is human at one of it's highest potential.
@SlimJ87D said:
Captain America is NOT just a peak human. He is what humans will be one day when we evolve and he is at the peak of that.
From the words of Ed Brubaker himself. The man who wrote Captain America for 8 years.
"I agree with parts of a lot of people's comments here and elsewhere. But I think it's a bit funny to see people get so bent out of shape when a guy who's given something called the "Super Soldier Serum" turns out to be a bit more than the average human. He's been leaping out of the windows of eight story buildings and across city streets in NYC, dodging bullets, doing amazing feats of speed and strength, since I started reading the book in the early 70s.
My take has always been that Cap is the peak of human POTENTIAL. What humans might someday be able to do, physically, he already can. If it was just about having an olypic-level athlete, do you really think all these groups and scientists would have been wasting 50plus years trying to replicate the SSS?
All I've done is have him say outloud what's always been pretty clear to me as a fan of the character. He's always been a lot stronger and faster than the average well-trained athlete. And I've always hated the Batman comparisons. Batman trained himself, Cap got given a miracle serum. I'm not making that up or changing anything.
Daredevil is more like Batman, physically, and yet in Born Again, Cap races by him so fast he's a breeze. As for Cap running 60mph. In the comic, I think he says he can run a mile in a little over a minute when he HAS to. It's not even implied that he can keep that up all day. It's a full-on burst of speed, when he has to."
"Daredevil is more like Batman, physically, and yet in Born Again, Cap races by him so fast he's a breeze. As for Cap running 60mph."
Here, this is what Brubaker was talking about.
And finally this is Ed Brubakers writing here where he clearly puts it out there in his own dialogue, no artist is determining an obscure feat here. Cap is clearly running 5 miles in 5 minutes.
Again, what Ed Brubaker is saying is that Steve is not just the peak of man, but evolution wise he is the absolute peak of what a human can be physically in evolution. Whatever physical potential we have in evolution, he already is.
"My take has always been that Cap is the peak of human POTENTIAL. What humans might someday be able to do, physically, he already can."
Like Batman, he is consider a peak human....but somehow he achieved superhuman feats on daily basis==
@guardiandevil said:
Your welcome I supplied two scans on that post but it was SlimJ87D who provided the rest. The facts show that Steve is "superior" to guys like Batman, Daredevil. He is the peak of human "potential" or as referenced above the next step in human evolution.@krauser99: Very informative post, thank you!
Cap is way above Batman. Bats is more in Daredevils league, slightly above.Like Batman, he is consider a peak human....but somehow he achieved superhuman feats on daily basis==
@JoeEddie said:
I read his bio and it says he's peak human. So do writers just write him as super human? How else can he beat Spider-Man, Wolverine, Hulk, etc?
Thanks,
Joe
He's a highly skilled fighter,which is why and how he pulls off feats.
@GodDamnIronMan:
Cap is above Batman. Batman is like an amalgamation of Olympic athletes. He does everything extremely well. Batman is peak human.
Cap isn't just peak human. He's at the peak of human potential. That means all the things that humans, Batman included, might one day be able to achieve through evolution, Cap can already do. Hence him performing superhuman feats every now and then.
Okay, I'm sold. I've been arguing low level super human for a long time now, but y'all and...well..Ed Brubaker have convinced me. The stuff that has SEEMED super human has just been the "peak of human potential" y'all keep mentioning. Actually, it's a little cooler this way. Thanks for the info.
@rogan2112: I guess 'peak of human potential' is low level superhuman, only until humans in Marvel comics evolve to Steve's stage, which won't happen as then there'd be nothing special about Cap's abilities.
This post covers it very well. He is beyond human but still is human at one of it's highest potential.
@SlimJ87D said:
Captain America is NOT just a peak human. He is what humans will be one day when we evolve and he is at the peak of that.
From the words of Ed Brubaker himself. The man who wrote Captain America for 8 years.
"I agree with parts of a lot of people's comments here and elsewhere. But I think it's a bit funny to see people get so bent out of shape when a guy who's given something called the "Super Soldier Serum" turns out to be a bit more than the average human. He's been leaping out of the windows of eight story buildings and across city streets in NYC, dodging bullets, doing amazing feats of speed and strength, since I started reading the book in the early 70s.
My take has always been that Cap is the peak of human POTENTIAL. What humans might someday be able to do, physically, he already can. If it was just about having an olypic-level athlete, do you really think all these groups and scientists would have been wasting 50plus years trying to replicate the SSS?
All I've done is have him say outloud what's always been pretty clear to me as a fan of the character. He's always been a lot stronger and faster than the average well-trained athlete. And I've always hated the Batman comparisons. Batman trained himself, Cap got given a miracle serum. I'm not making that up or changing anything.
Daredevil is more like Batman, physically, and yet in Born Again, Cap races by him so fast he's a breeze. As for Cap running 60mph. In the comic, I think he says he can run a mile in a little over a minute when he HAS to. It's not even implied that he can keep that up all day. It's a full-on burst of speed, when he has to."
"Daredevil is more like Batman, physically, and yet in Born Again, Cap races by him so fast he's a breeze. As for Cap running 60mph."
Here, this is what Brubaker was talking about.
And finally this is Ed Brubakers writing here where he clearly puts it out there in his own dialogue, no artist is determining an obscure feat here. Cap is clearly running 5 miles in 5 minutes.
Again, what Ed Brubaker is saying is that Steve is not just the peak of man, but evolution wise he is the absolute peak of what a human can be physically in evolution. Whatever physical potential we have in evolution, he already is.
"My take has always been that Cap is the peak of human POTENTIAL. What humans might someday be able to do, physically, he already can."
I mean, if everyone would just stop scrolling passed the long post and read this, it's pretty self explanatory. Brubaker answers the questions for us.
@arturocalakayvee: Yep, but people don't argue to learn around here. They argue because they think they're right and they don't like the counter arguments.
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Yup there is another time when its called preternatural. When Steve fought against Baron Blood during WW2(Invaders volume 1). Blood was sky high in the clouds chasing after someone as Steve felt helpless on the ground. The narration then stated Steve uses his preternatural strength to throw his shield and he tags Baron Blood and saves his friend.
There hasn't been any convincing to show cap is anything more than peak.
If you go just by feats to qualify him as more than peak, then that same logic holds for other character.
It's ridiculously flawed approach because it's then easy to make an argument for any character to be superhuman.
At the moment, there is nothing substantial to show him being more than peak.
Scans which say he is peak, which people are interpreting to mean he is more than peak.
Because many people - for reasons that I don't understand yet - have always overestimated the Cap's physical abilities. I read stupidity like: "I don't care if the Marvel said that Cap is a peak human, for me is more than peak human".
Fanboy.
Truth be told. I don't mind people calling him Peak human. That is what he is but to ignore the details of what his "Peak" represents is a tall tell sign in itself. Peak human sure....yes....but the rest as well.
Peak of human potential.
Super Soldier
The Perfect Man
Maximum human level
Preternatural
Super Man
Enhanced Human
The next step in human evolution.
A new breed.
Also your interpretation is not supported. Comics at least support that Steve is unique to himself. One writer.....more like many writers. You two are both Batman fans who seem to have agenda. Poster Alexander505 posts about in the batman forums and you participated against Cap in the Batman vs Cap thread. Its is clear that because of this you will ignore and accept more to your agenda. But this information of Steve is not new. Preternatural........beyond natural. Batman, Daredevil, Puniser....are at a natural level while Steve is at a preternatural level. No amount of nit picking semantics is changing this.
Steve is the next step in human evolution. One writer Bru is not even required, since it was not Bru who first stated this nor the peak of human potential.
Steve is the next step in human evolution
You don't get it kiddo.
You stating that is meaningless, unless a definition is agreed upon. You seem to think yours is correct. I and others disagree. Unless you can actually show something canonical or official explaining that, it's a matter of interpretation.
Please, try to understand that before you jump in with another reply reiterating the same incorrect nonsense.
The way I see it is he is peak human but not like Batman. Batman is the peak for a man of his height/weight and the best he can be.
That means he can still be slower/weaker then someone who's body is built more towards that.
Captain America on the other hand is peak regardless.
Also where Batman has to keep striving to become peak. Cap starts out that way and only has to make sure he doesn't let himself go.
Steve is the next step in human evolution
You don't get it kiddo.
You stating that is meaningless, unless a definition is agreed upon. You seem to think yours is correct. I and others disagree. Unless you can actually show something canonical or official explaining that, it's a matter of interpretation.
Please, try to understand that before you jump in with another reply reiterating the same incorrect nonsense.
It is your logic that is incorrect. Me stating that is simply a fact that you happen to dislike. Cap is the next step in human evolution. Unless you can show that he is not the next step of human evolution. Then the burden is on you.....but I can phrase that many times since he was stated to be so.
Again Cap is the next step in human evolution.
The way I see it is he is peak human but not like Batman. Batman is the peak for a man of his height/weight and the best he can be.
That means he can still be slower/weaker then someone who's body is built more towards that.
Captain America on the other hand is peak regardless.
Also where Batman has to keep striving to become peak. Cap starts out that way and only has to make sure he doesn't let himself go.
Agreed. Steve has been described as preternatural meaning beyond the "natural." While Batman though "incredible" is still on a natural level.
It is your logic that is incorrect. Me stating that is simply a fact that you happen to dislike. Cap is the next step in human evolution. Unless you can show that he is not the next step of human evolution. Then the burden is on you.....but I can phrase that many times since he was stated to be so.
Again Cap is the next step in human evolution.
Again, you don't seem to be comprehending what I'm saying.
Please define "next step in human evolution". Then show support for your definition.
Until you do so, reiterating that statement is meaningless. Although I'm guess you won't be able to understand why.
Just to be clear, there is no evidence aside from one writers opinion that cap as a peak human means anything more than you would expect the word to mean, i.e. the best a man can be in all regards today.
To claim he is more than that is a matter of interpretation, and not supported.
He is more than that, and has been more than that for quite a while. You say "the best a man can be in all regards today", well how many humans today are immune to every earth disease? How many humans today can sustain peak physical performance and exertion for days at a time without rest? How many humans today can dodge bullets after they've been fired and says that they simply see faster than them? How many humans can throw a 12lbs disk and cleave a moving truck in half lengthwise? You say there is no evidence, but all this is canon.
It is your logic that is incorrect. Me stating that is simply a fact that you happen to dislike. Cap is the next step in human evolution. Unless you can show that he is not the next step of human evolution. Then the burden is on you.....but I can phrase that many times since he was stated to be so.
Again Cap is the next step in human evolution.
Again, you don't seem to be comprehending what I'm saying.
Please define "next step in human evolution". Then show support for your definition.
Until you do so, reiterating that statement is meaningless. Although I'm guess you won't be able to understand why.
Again, you don't seem to be understanding what I am saying. I will quote that Steve is Peak Human or Peak of human potential or The next step in human evolution. Stating this is not meaningless since this is what Cap is. It's no different then you stating he is Peak Human. Although I guess you won't be able to understand why your statement is meaningless.
@tg1982: The problem is with that logic, Batman is also a superhuman. Feats in comics don't mean much, not when trying to establish if someone is human, enhanced human or superhuman. Steve is more than peak human when it comes his healing factor, but not strength, agility etc.
No he's not. Because it isn't just about impressive feats. Batman is never called a super soldier. Nor preternatural strength...nor strength of 10...nor strength of half a platoon of men. He has never been referred to as enhanced strength, enhanced speed or even title "super human physique" like Steve. By your logic Daredevil has superhuman feats but there not super in there universe. I mean Matt had KO'ed to male adult tigers and despite looking super he is not what Captain America is.
Again, you don't seem to be understanding what I am saying. I will quote that Steve is Peak Human or Peak of human potential or The next step in human evolution. Stating this is not meaningless since this is what Cap is.
Lol...
The only possible response here, is WHOOOOOSH.
Read what I wrote, don't just quickly write a response because you're feeling defensive. Until you understand what I wrote above, there isn't any point in discussing it with you.
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