I do not understand

if the Captain America is a human peak, a perfect human with human capabilities developed at 100%, means that Captain use 100% of the mind of the human capacity

People who can use 25% or 30% of their mental capacity can move objects with his mind .. If the Captain can use 100% of his mind would have enormous psychic powers .. but it seems that the captain did not even use 20% of the mind ..

if the captain is really a peak human, should be more powerful than it is ..

@moywar700 said:

he just strong physical but no mental powers

He is a great tactician though

this is obvious, do not need to tell me .. if the captain is peak human should be able to use 100% of mind and have great psychic powers ..

Captain America is a Super Soldier he took a Super Soldier Serum that gives his abilities if Steve Rogers never took the Serum he would never get as Strong or as Agile as Captain America. The only reason they say he is a peak human is to discourage steroid use, because the last think Marvel wants is a lawsuit over some kid taking steroids thinking they are super soldier serum to be like Captain America.

How does one define peak human? I've seen debates w/Batman vs Cap and it seems that people rank them as equals physically because they are peak humans. I've always thought Cap had an edge based on the serum especially since some of the things he is able to do is not really human.

@Shamelesslysupportinaznballers said:

How does one define peak human? I've seen debates w/Batman vs Cap and it seems that people rank them as equals physically because they are peak humans. I've always thought Cap had an edge based on the serum especially since some of the things he is able to do is not really human.

If Batman can have the same physical capacity that the captain america, without serum, then it means that the effect of serum is garbage

both can not be equal, one of them is being stimulated by serum and the other does not .. can not be equal .. is absurd

it is obvious that the difference between Batman and the captain is the effect of serum

@HughJass said:

@serum said:

People who can use 25% or 30% of their mental capacity can move objects with his mind

No, what the hell? Where are you getting this from? And don't give me that "humans only use 10% of their brain" crap because it isn't true.

then how to explain this?

In a upcoming comic it is stated that Captain America has Superhuman strength and agility.

I always figured that Cap was superhuman. The serum pushes him farther than human's can go. What's the point of spending millions on technology that creates the equivalent of inexpensive training?

Comic book peak human >>>>>>>>> real life peak human. Have you seen batman's work out regiment? He is a a beast and does things no human could possibly do. Je benches 1000 lbs to stay in shape. Let that settle. He is not trying to build any more mass , just keep conditioned. It's The same with captain america. He has the benefit of not being able to be exhausted as fast as bruce. Both of them have dodged bullets skillfully. They also punch through brick walls and bend pipes like they paper.

@SexualLobster said:

@Shamelesslysupportinaznballers: I say PIS.

Batman somehow survives beatings from Solomon Grundy, Killer Croc, Bane etc. but walks way like nothing happened.

Same with Cap. He fights the Hulk and Ironman but occasionally wins.

They're poster boys for their respective companies, and are written to be able to go through this.. but both are peak-human.

@LightningTiger2190 said:

Comic book peak human >>>>>>>>> real life peak human. Have you seen batman's work out regiment? He is a a beast and does things no human could possibly do. Je benches 1000 lbs to stay in shape. Let that settle. He is not trying to build any more mass , just keep conditioned. It's The same with captain america. He has the benefit of not being able to be exhausted as fast as bruce. Both of them have dodged bullets skillfully. They also punch through brick walls and bend pipes like they paper.

@Kallarkz said:

In a upcoming comic it is stated that Captain America has Superhuman strength and agility.

@Kal'smahboi said:

I always figured that Cap was superhuman. The serum pushes him farther than human's can go. What's the point of spending millions on technology that creates the equivalent of inexpensive training?

Batman can not be peak human ..

Captain America can not be super-human ..

If Captain America was super-human stop being human, the very word says it, "super-human", it is above the human

If the Captain was super-human, serum alter to DNA and he can not be human, and it would be super-human, even mutant, the DNA would have a mutation or change

Captain America is officially considered human

the reason why Captain America seems super-human is the reason that any human can not get to that level without the serum.. serum has the necessary components or nutrients the body needs to function to their maxim capacity

nobody can have this capability by traditional methods, for this reason is considered super-human

Batman can not be human peak, Batman has not been subject to any special procedure to obtain the maximum human capacity, the training is not sufficient to achieve peak human capacity, Batman thanks to his hard training has great physical ability, but not peak, as a fully trained soldier

@serum said:

all i can tell you is that in an upcoming comic he is being classified as superhuman.

@Kal'smahboi said:

I always figured that Cap was superhuman. The serum pushes him farther than human's can go. What's the point of spending millions on technology that creates the equivalent of inexpensive training?

Batman can not be peak human ..

Captain America can not be super-human ..

If Captain America was super-human stop being human, the very word says it, "super-human", it is above the human

If the Captain was super-human, serum alter to DNA and he can not be human, and it would be super-human, even mutant, the DNA would have a mutation or change

Captain America is officially considered human

the reason why Captain America seems super-human is the reason that any human can not get to that level without the serum.. serum has the necessary components or nutrients the body needs to function to their maxim capacity

nobody can have this capability by traditional methods, for this reason is considered super-human

Batman can not be human peak, Batman has not been subject to any special procedure to obtain the maximum human capacity, the training is not sufficient to achieve peak human capacity, Batman thanks to his hard training has great physical ability, but not peak, as a fully trained soldier

@Kal'smahboi said:

@serum said:

@Kal'smahboi said:

I always figured that Cap was superhuman. The serum pushes him farther than human's can go. What's the point of spending millions on technology that creates the equivalent of inexpensive training?

Batman can not be peak human ..

Captain America can not be super-human ..

If Captain America was super-human stop being human, the very word says it, "super-human", it is above the human

If the Captain was super-human, serum alter to DNA and he can not be human, and it would be super-human, even mutant, the DNA would have a mutation or change

Captain America is officially considered human

the reason why Captain America seems super-human is the reason that any human can not get to that level without the serum.. serum has the necessary components or nutrients the body needs to function to their maxim capacity

nobody can have this capability by traditional methods, for this reason is considered super-human

Batman can not be human peak, Batman has not been subject to any special procedure to obtain the maximum human capacity, the training is not sufficient to achieve peak human capacity, Batman thanks to his hard training has great physical ability, but not peak, as a fully trained soldier

Superhuman means more than human. Someone with superhuman strength can be a human genetically, but has strength greater than that of a human. Cap has been exposed to a formula that pushes him beyond what a human could perform. You said that Batman could not achieve this. It doesn't make sense that the peak human strength is something that a human alone could not achieve.

If Batman were a human peak, should have strength peak.. It means that Batman should have the same strength of Zangief .. Zangief has possibly strength peak (only strength) .. Batman is far from having the same strength of Zangief, Batman does not have that peak strength.. Batman is not a human peak..

If Batman were a human peak, should have strength peak.. It means that Batman should have the same strength of Zangief .. Zangief has possibly strength peak (only strength) .. Batman is far from having the same strength of Zangief, Batman does not have that peak strength.. Batman is not a human peak..

@Kal'smahboi said:

@serum said:

@Kal'smahboi said:

I always figured that Cap was superhuman. The serum pushes him farther than human's can go. What's the point of spending millions on technology that creates the equivalent of inexpensive training?

Batman can not be peak human ..

Captain America can not be super-human ..

If Captain America was super-human stop being human, the very word says it, "super-human", it is above the human

If the Captain was super-human, serum alter to DNA and he can not be human, and it would be super-human, even mutant, the DNA would have a mutation or change

Captain America is officially considered human

the reason why Captain America seems super-human is the reason that any human can not get to that level without the serum.. serum has the necessary components or nutrients the body needs to function to their maxim capacity

nobody can have this capability by traditional methods, for this reason is considered super-human

Batman can not be human peak, Batman has not been subject to any special procedure to obtain the maximum human capacity, the training is not sufficient to achieve peak human capacity, Batman thanks to his hard training has great physical ability, but not peak, as a fully trained soldier

Superhuman means more than human. Someone with superhuman strength can be a human genetically, but has strength greater than that of a human. Cap has been exposed to a formula that pushes him beyond what a human could perform. You said that Batman could not achieve this. It doesn't make sense that the peak human strength is something that a human alone could not achieve.

If Batman were a human peak, should have strength peak.. It means that Batman should have the same strength of Zangief .. Zangief has possibly strength peak (only strength) .. Batman is far from having the same strength of Zangief, Batman does not have that peak strength.. Batman is not a human peak..

@Kal'smahboi said:

@serum said:

If Batman were a human peak, should have strength peak.. It means that Batman should have the same strength of Zangief .. Zangief has possibly strength peak (only strength) .. Batman is far from having the same strength of Zangief, Batman does not have that peak strength.. Batman is not a human peak..

That wasn't my point at all.

you say that Captain America is super-human.. Captain America has no superhuman powers.. Captain America is as fast as the fastest athletes.. He is as strong as a human athlete Olympic medalist can be.. He is as agile as a human can be.. He has all the enhanced human physical abilities to the maximum of human limits.. this has nothing super-human..

@Matezoide said:

@serum said:

@Kal'smahboi said:

@serum said:

@Kal'smahboi said:

I always figured that Cap was superhuman. The serum pushes him farther than human's can go. What's the point of spending millions on technology that creates the equivalent of inexpensive training?

Batman can not be peak human ..

Captain America can not be super-human ..

If Captain America was super-human stop being human, the very word says it, "super-human", it is above the human

If the Captain was super-human, serum alter to DNA and he can not be human, and it would be super-human, even mutant, the DNA would have a mutation or change

Captain America is officially considered human

the reason why Captain America seems super-human is the reason that any human can not get to that level without the serum.. serum has the necessary components or nutrients the body needs to function to their maxim capacity

nobody can have this capability by traditional methods, for this reason is considered super-human

Batman can not be human peak, Batman has not been subject to any special procedure to obtain the maximum human capacity, the training is not sufficient to achieve peak human capacity, Batman thanks to his hard training has great physical ability, but not peak, as a fully trained soldier

Superhuman means more than human. Someone with superhuman strength can be a human genetically, but has strength greater than that of a human. Cap has been exposed to a formula that pushes him beyond what a human could perform. You said that Batman could not achieve this. It doesn't make sense that the peak human strength is something that a human alone could not achieve.

If Batman were a human peak, should have strength peak.. It means that Batman should have the same strength of Zangief .. Zangief has possibly strength peak (only strength) .. Batman is far from having the same strength of Zangief, Batman does not have that peak strength.. Batman is not a human peak..

DC and Street Fighter are completely different universes,``peak`` in Street Fighter is super-human for DC`s standards. Balrog (who is not stronger than Zangief) killed an Elephant with a single punch.

The problem is the shit .. liars universes, with arguments of energy Ki or chi .. Street Fighter, The King of Fighters (Terry Bogard can destroy a building), Dragon Ball (Yamcha and Krillin are human and have a power superior to the level of Superman and can destroy the planet)

humans have an unlimited capacity and can increase their power with training (are human no peak)

In comparison, Marvel and DC universe has a little more seriousness and realism (compared to this)

@Matezoide said:

@serum: I see your point,and i cant say you are wrong,i just mean that the concept of ``peak human`` varies from one universe to another,as you said,in Dragon Ball or King of Fighters,theres no real ``peak``,since they can always become stronger,while this isnt true for Marvel or DC. If these people you named were in Marvel/DC,they would be ranked super-humans,for example.

Captain Marvel, Superman, Wonder Woman, etc. have great power super-humans, but has an explanation and a convincing argument, these characters come from other planets or other galaxies .. Thor is a God, Wolverine or Sabrethoot are mutants, and the example of a human peak is the Captain America and DC is Batman .. But that shit Ryu, Terry Bogard, Yamcha and Krillin are humans and have such great powers that could kick the ass of Juggernaut, with arguments energy ki or chi, this is an insult to the intelligence of viewers and people in general. .

@yumyumbubblegum said:

Well Captain America is the pinnacle of human anatomy. He is the next step in humanity, without being considered a mutation. To say that he is peak human is a serious understatement; the super soldier serum allows him to do feats that humans could only theoretically achieve. E.g to be able to lift 800 lbs, one would have to gain a massive build/ body mass, and as a result lose mobility and speed. In the case of Steve Rogers, he can lift 800lbs but at the same time retain full mobility and speed.

All of which Batman and many other super heroes can do. Cap and Batman are super human relative to the real world. I would dare to say Cap is superhuman regardless of Marvel saying he is "peak human". At least Bruce can say he had the best gene pool ever. Cap's body was altered. His body type and frame were altered drastically. The definition of peak human in comic books is an impossibility in reality. As someone said to gain strength you sacrifice power. Bruce and Steve both run sub 6:00 minute miles while being able to bench press 3-4 times there body weight and also having very few peers in the realm of gymnastics. Dick is even counted as peak human in the DC universe. He punches through brick walls too. I would say he is a better athlete than Bruce and cap. Because he is roughly 3-4 inches shorter than them he loses out in strength slightly. I don't know why they don't just say Captain america is super human and get it over with. It would make writers lives much easier and would have less to explain. Batman should be the big wtf as far as the definition of "peak human". He trained himself to have feats comparable to a person who needed a serum to reach above 5'5. He is good at almost everything he does. He is tall, good looking, and one of the top ten minds in dcu( not gonna open up the can of worms that is the mysterious #2 spot). Steve can have a ret-con from peak human to a new term I want to call "super-human" (different from the usual super-human adjective). Batman we must accept that in DC it is possible for a man to do such things unaided.

They say the only mental powers the serum gave cap is that he can instantly remember any battlefield situation that he has ever used and implement it while fighting. So it made him a good tactician.

@yumyumbubblegum:Dick is the only person alive that can do a quadruple somersault. He is far more agile than anyone in the bat family(damien is the only person i see reaching dicks level of athleticism, but look at who his parents are).

While I agree that Steve should have a physical edge on Bruce, the scales you present are what shift them into the territory of equality. In DC a human is fully capable of dodging bullets, being punched in the face by villains with far superior strength and still walk away from it, etc. Going by Bruce's workout plan, we see he ran a 4:20 mile and called that slow. Dick is faster and is in as good shape as Bruce. Cap has been documented to run a mile in 6:00 min. Would this not make Bruce and Dick superior in the aspect of speed to Cap?

@k4tzm4n said:

616 Cap: Enhanced, not peak.

This. And how in the X-Sanction preview he is being classified as having Peak human strength and agility prove it even more.

@yumyumbubblegum: Ah thank you for the clarification on speed.I thought the 6:00 min thing was really slow. But my point is that since both exist in different universes there is a different standard for "peak human". So i feel it best to equate them. While i firmly believe that Steve should be classified as "Super-Human" as well as bruce to a lesser extent. DC and Marvel believe they should guard their Two "normal human" . Looking at achievements, there are no other "peak human" super heroes that have done what they have done in both camps(actually in batman's case there are a handful). So what we get are super human feats from people that are supposedly the peak potential of a human body. The problem is that the human body is designed to excel in one area while sacrificing others. So now we have the problem as having to classify Steve as more than human and Bruce as a meta human, which again DC and Marvel would rather not do .

they say he is at peak physical condition for a human, but his feats seem to go beyond that, he is able to throw his shield with such an immense amount of force that it ricochets off of people and doesnt noticeably lose velocity, thats pretty amazing, and i dont think he could be compared to batman in strength, to me it seems obvious that batman is weaker

This thread is waaaaay more serious than I thought it would be

@Kallarkz said:

@k4tzm4n said:

616 Cap: Enhanced, not peak.

This. And how in the X-Sanction preview he is being classified as having Peak human strength and agility prove it even more.

This

I thought this was all common knowledge?

@Blood1991 said:

This thread is waaaaay more serious than I thought it would be

@Kallarkz said:

@k4tzm4n said:

616 Cap: Enhanced, not peak.

This. And how in the X-Sanction preview he is being classified as having Peak human strength and agility prove it even more.

This

I thought this was all common knowledge?

So did I. Captain America is above peak human, but everyone seems to disagree despite the fact that it is often explicitly mentioned.

He is stronger than Batman. Batman is more inventive and smarter, but Cap is stronger. They are different types of tacticians, so it depends on the situation as to who is better. They're both fairly clever as far as using their skills and equipment to gain the upper hand in almost any situation.

Thinking about it, I would say they're near-equal tacticians. I consider Cap's skills slightly better from World War II and a lot of the covert missions he was on, but that's obviously debatable.

@TheAnnihilator said:

@Blood1991 said:

This thread is waaaaay more serious than I thought it would be

@Kallarkz said:

@k4tzm4n said:

616 Cap: Enhanced, not peak.

This. And how in the X-Sanction preview he is being classified as having Peak human strength and agility prove it even more.

This

I thought this was all common knowledge?

So did I. Captain America is above peak human, but everyone seems to disagree despite the fact that it is often explicitly mentioned.

He is stronger than Batman. Batman is more inventive and smarter, but Cap is stronger. They are different types of tacticians, so it depends on the situation as to who is better. They're both fairly clever as far as using their skills and equipment to gain the upper hand in almost any situation.

Thinking about it, I would say they're near-equal tacticians. I consider Cap's skills slightly better from World War II and a lot of the covert missions he was on, but that's obviously debatable.

For me Cap wins in a random encounter Bats wins with intel or prep. I think that is fair to both characters strengths.