What if Cable never got the virus?

#1 Posted by NewCapA (16 posts) - - Show Bio

If Cable never got the techno organic virus would he be stronger than Jean?  Or given that he had to telekinetically hold it back for most of his life if he suddenly didn't have to wouldn't his telekinetic power increase by more than 10 fold?

#2 Posted by xerox_kitty (15762 posts) - - Show Bio
#3 Posted by jordama (4106 posts) - - Show Bio
@xerox-kitty said:
"He'd be Nate Grey ;) "

But within 616 universe, how do you think the X-World would have been different if Scott didn't have to give him up.
#4 Posted by eldestrisk (616 posts) - - Show Bio
@xerox-kitty: As soon as i saw t he topic I wanted to put that. Why didn't I thought before you'll beat me to it. =S
#5 Posted by xerox_kitty (15762 posts) - - Show Bio
@jordama: @eldestrisk: Yeah, I know he probably wouldn't end up like Nate Grey.  I guess the closest thing we'll have to answering this question is the recent X-Factor: Forever where 'Cable' appeared as a baby who hadn't been infected. 
 
If the current New Mutants 'Fall of the New Mutants' arc is correct and the events of Inferno happened only 3 or 4 years ago, then an uninfected Nathan Christopher Summers would only be about 4 or 5 years old.  However, it's unlikely that he would have been given an eternal pre-Kindergarten existence like Franklin Richards...  So if he hadn't been infected & sent into the future, then the chances are he'd had suffered some other fate that forced his rapid aging (like when Illyana was lost in Limbo and re-appeared as a teenager just seconds later).
#6 Posted by jordama (4106 posts) - - Show Bio

Its amazing that with all the X-Men, none really ever has a kid that they have to actually raise. Instead they are taken and brought back much older or the are from alternate realities where they were raised .
#7 Posted by eldestrisk (616 posts) - - Show Bio
@jordama: And they all are Cyclops related. I can't think of a child from other X-Men. (I'm not counting Wolverine of course)
#8 Posted by jordama (4106 posts) - - Show Bio
@eldestrisk:

Out of the ones that have entered the 616, Nightcrawlers daughter, Nocturn.  
They had that future GeNext that had some kids, none ever came to 616.  
Azari has been hinted at being Black Panthers and Storms but I think thats unconfirmed.
#9 Posted by xerox_kitty (15762 posts) - - Show Bio
@jordama said:
"Its amazing that with all the X-Men, none really ever has a kid that they have to actually raise. Instead they are taken and brought back much older or the are from alternate realities where they were raised . "

And that's the problem.  Poor Siryn was stuck in a situation where no more mutant children could be born & therefore there had to be a way to (for want of better words) dispose of the baby.  Therefore they came up with the idea that children of Madrox are dupes & threrefore will be absorbed.  Pretty harsh! 
 
So if Cable hadn't been taken to the future, then something equally horrific or tragic would have happened.  There's an unwritten rule that X-Men can't have babies... so what's going to happen to poor Rahne??
#10 Posted by CATMANEXE--defunct (17052 posts) - - Show Bio

i think he would become somewhat of a Magneto, trying to force the world
into his paradigm, until he got out of control and the X-Men had to face him
down (sounds like the usual rehashed x-plot right?). Kind of like the route
he was going when he was " God Cable " during the Providence time period
when he took it to the Surfer.

#11 Posted by xerox_kitty (15762 posts) - - Show Bio
@CATMANEXE: That was during my non-comic reading years.  What issues was that story in?
#12 Posted by CATMANEXE--defunct (17052 posts) - - Show Bio
@xerox-kitty: 
i don't remember the issue #s offhand, but it was in Cable & Deadpool near the end half of the run. 
 
you had non-comic reading years? i'm sorry. happens to the best of us.
#13 Posted by xerox_kitty (15762 posts) - - Show Bio
@CATMANEXE: Ah... I've tried looking in shops & on eBay for that series.  Old Deadpool comics are SO hard to find (or they're ridiculously priced).  I'll keep an eye out for those, thanks.
#14 Posted by Namor1987 (1891 posts) - - Show Bio
@xerox-kitty said:
" He'd be Nate Grey ;) "
Actually wouldn't he be more like Stryfe only good (or evil) & not Nate Grey
#15 Posted by xerox_kitty (15762 posts) - - Show Bio
@Namor1987 said:
" @xerox-kitty said:
" He'd be Nate Grey ;) "
Actually wouldn't he be more like Stryfe only good (or evil) & not Nate Grey "

It was just a joke.  And no, he wouldn't.  As I said earlier given the fact that it was recently established that Inferno was only 4 years ago, then if little baby Nathan Christopher had never been infected... he'd still be a little boy.  He wouldn't be either X-Man or Stryfe.
#16 Posted by doomsummers (759 posts) - - Show Bio
@NewCapA: In X men Forever it showed what would happend if Cable never got the virus. He like Nate Grey was slowly dieing because of the massive power he has.
#17 Posted by Primmaster64 (21073 posts) - - Show Bio
#18 Posted by chtri001 (53 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree that most of the evidence seems to indicate that he'd be like Nate Grey.  But there is one little problem with that theory.  If that's the case, then why wasn't Stryfe as powerful as Nate Grey.  He was identical to Cable in every way except for the fact that he was free of the TO virus.  Yet, he always seemed to be on equal footing with Cable.  His presence seems to throw a wrench into the theory. 

#19 Posted by MetropolisKid41 (515 posts) - - Show Bio

That's a very good point, I guess the only reasoning I can think of (besides inconsistent writing) is that somehow during the cloning process some mutant power in their genetics was lost? Cable being the offspring of Scott & Madelyne (a clone) and then Stryfe being a clone of him? Or maybe since Nate was from the AoA universe, where mutation and evolution were encourged instead of surpressed, that Sinister's genetic experiments and technology yielded more perfect and powerful results?

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