Blue Beetle will be cancelled

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#1 Posted by Nighthunter (28580 posts) - - Show Bio

2: Speaking of cancellations, readers are always trying to second guess what’s behind the ending of their favorite books, from sales to critical response to...any other number of factors. What does go into it – how do you look at books that are succeeding and failing, and what criteria do you hold them to?

DD: Sales is front and center, as it always is. How it sells not only as a periodical, but how it sells as a collected edition are things that that get weighed very heavily in the equation. Realistically, one of the other things we watch is trending – to see how the books works or doesn’t work. Does it hold its number, or does it steadily decline? In some of our series, we watch books tick down to a point, and do everything we can to change that pattern, but it’s the natural progression for all series.

On the lower selling ones, they’re much harder to turn around, and even if you do, the amount of change isn’t that appreciable, unfortunately. When we came back with Manhunter, we really hoped that there would be some groundswell, even to spike it slightly higher than where we left off, but truth be told, we didn’t see that. Therefore, we realized that resting it or kick-starting it again, we realized that we couldn’t make enough of a change in the sales to make it a profitable venture.


One of the books that I’m most disappointed about in that regard is a book like Blue Beetle, which we are cancelling. That’s a book that we started with very high expectations, but it lost its audience along the way. Recently, we felt that it was standing on firmer ground, and was getting a more positive response. The problem is that the firmer ground and positive response is not enough to keep the book afloat. So unfortunately, we had to cancel that series.

But with the case of both Manhunter and Blue Beetle, those characters did not go away – they will be essential to the DC Universe, and we hope at some point, we can look at them again and present them in stories where they can stand on their own. When it comes down to it, most of it is business – in the case of both Manhunter and Blue Beetle, it is solely about the sales, because these are books that are both near and dear to my heart, and we tried everything we could to keep them alive. When it comes to books like Robin, Nightwing and Birds of Prey, it’s a little different - it’s about positioning the characters for future stories.

Bring me Didio's head
#2 Posted by Midnightist (10858 posts) - - Show Bio

well atleast well still se him in the Teen Titans for some time

#3 Posted by Nighthunter (28580 posts) - - Show Bio

yeah, which would be cool if Teen Titans didn't suck right now

#4 Posted by Midnightist (10858 posts) - - Show Bio
Nighthunter said:
"yeah, which would be cool if Teen Titans didn't suck right now"
yeah it does but hopefully when they get the new members they will bring along some new stories but DC is just canceling things left and right its crazy they going to go backrupt
#5 Posted by Nighthunter (28580 posts) - - Show Bio

for the next year so far:

Manhunter, Blue Beetle, Birds of Prey, Nightwing (relaunch?) Robin (relaunch?)

A powergirl series and another one for Zatanna doesn't cut it.....

#6 Posted by Midnightist (10858 posts) - - Show Bio
Nighthunter said:
"for the next year so far:

Manhunter, Blue Beetle, Birds of Prey, Nightwing (relaunch?) Robin (relaunch?)

A powergirl series and another one for Zatanna doesn't cut it....."
well Nightwing and Robin I'm sure they'll be relauched due to the fandom they have. They lasted what 11 15 years for a while Im sure they will just be present in the Batman titles more. Teen Titans and the Titans Birds of Prey maybe too but Im not sure but Oracle for sure
#7 Posted by inferiorego (21254 posts) - - Show Bio

Nightwing & Robin aren't technically canceled. They are put on hold until the "Race for the Cowl" storyline is over.

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#8 Posted by Nighthunter (28580 posts) - - Show Bio
inferiorego said:
"Nightwing & Robin aren't technically canceled. They are put on hold until the "Race for the Cowl" storyline is over."
it's called Battle for the cowl and they aren't on hiatus, they will be cancelled and relaunched, likely with other people using the mantles

I guess I have to thank Didio for saving me money, he is cancelling 4 of my favorite titles in just the beginning of the year
#9 Edited by inferiorego (21254 posts) - - Show Bio
Nighthunter said:
"inferiorego said:
"Nightwing & Robin aren't technically canceled. They are put on hold until the "Race for the Cowl" storyline is over."
it's called Battle for the cowl and they aren't on hiatus, they will be cancelled and relaunched, likely with other people using the mantles

I guess I have to thank Didio for saving me money, he is cancelling 4 of my favorite titles in just the beginning of the year"
Battle for the cowl, whatever. And according to our order sheet, not canceled... on hold*

As of last night, unless something as changed since then that I'm missing.
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#10 Posted by Midnightist (10858 posts) - - Show Bio
Nighthunter said:
"inferiorego said:
"Nightwing & Robin aren't technically canceled. They are put on hold until the "Race for the Cowl" storyline is over."
it's called Battle for the cowl and they aren't on hiatus, they will be cancelled and relaunched, likely with other people using the mantles

I guess I have to thank Didio for saving me money, he is cancelling 4 of my favorite titles in just the beginning of the year"
I just released that I'm going to save allot of money
#11 Posted by TheDrifter (26555 posts) - - Show Bio

In Febuary...

Birds of Prey, Nightwing and Robin

All get canned.

Right?

#12 Posted by Nighthunter (28580 posts) - - Show Bio

then it wouldn't say final issue....

#13 Posted by The Emerald Knight (243 posts) - - Show Bio

Damn, I'm one of those fans who just stopped buying it after awhile.

#14 Posted by Hawkingbird (350 posts) - - Show Bio

Hurray for DC canceling all of the series except for two that don't star a straight white male!

ARHGKLSATEAWUP35HOA DARK ANGER. DARK ANGER IS CHANNELING TOWARDS YOU GUYS, WHY DID YOU BUY WOLVERINE AND NOT BLUE BEETLE?!

#15 Posted by Nighthunter (28580 posts) - - Show Bio

Funny fact: Didio announces the cancel of blue beetle the same week he does his first appearance in other media

#16 Posted by pixelized (62882 posts) - - Show Bio
Nighthunter said:
"for the next year so far:

Manhunter, Blue Beetle, Birds of Prey, Nightwing (relaunch?) Robin (relaunch?)

A powergirl series and another one for Zatanna doesn't cut it....."
Zatanna!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#17 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio
Hawkingbird said:
"Hurray for DC canceling all of the series except for two that don't star a straight white male!

ARHGKLSATEAWUP35HOA DARK ANGER. DARK ANGER IS CHANNELING TOWARDS YOU GUYS, WHY DID YOU BUY WOLVERINE AND NOT BLUE BEETLE?!"
........
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#18 Posted by pixelized (62882 posts) - - Show Bio

bb is gay?

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#19 Posted by Nighthunter (28580 posts) - - Show Bio

.....no

#20 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio
pixelized said:
"bb is gay?"
No.
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#21 Posted by pixelized (62882 posts) - - Show Bio

i don't understand Hawkingbird's comment then

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#22 Edited by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio
pixelized said:
"i don't understand Hawkingbird's comment then"
The emphasis was on Blue Beetle not being white not his sexual orientation.
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#23 Posted by NightFang (9904 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh man:(

#24 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio
NightFang said:
"Oh man:("
What?
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#25 Posted by NightFang (9904 posts) - - Show Bio

I hate it when my favorite comic's get cancelled.

#26 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio
NightFang said:
"I hate it when my favorite comic's get cancelled."
Oh..I know.Maybe not enough people were into Blue Beetle.
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#27 Posted by NightFang (9904 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know way.

#28 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio
NightFang said:
"I don't know way."
Me neither.I always thought he was one of DC's best since Jaime became Blue Beetle.I was never a fan of Ted Kord.
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#29 Posted by NightFang (9904 posts) - - Show Bio

Agreed, maybe he get's a relaunch.

#30 Posted by Teen Manatee (359 posts) - - Show Bio

Holy crap. Jaime is the awesomest. I have been reading Blue Beetle but not the latest issues, which makes me feel guilty.. i really wish BB got a longer series..

#31 Posted by Nahero (9915 posts) - - Show Bio

well that sucks

#32 Posted by Nighthunter (28580 posts) - - Show Bio

I read in scans daily a good proposal that I thought was worth mentioning here.

Buy tps/issues of Blue Beetle to boost sales and if you already have them, give them to charity, there are some kids that could have a read and blue beetle ain't a book with a dark tone and stll has quality without it looking too kiddie.

Even if the book ain't saved, you have done something good for your community

#33 Posted by Midnightist (10858 posts) - - Show Bio
Nighthunter said:
"I read in scans daily a good proposal that I thought was worth mentioning here.

Buy tps/issues of Blue Beetle to boost sales and if you already have them, give them to charity, there are some kids that could have a read and blue beetle ain't a book with a dark tone and stll has quality without it looking too kiddie.

Even if the book ain't saved, you have done something good for your community"
That may work but the problem is that Im guessing allot of people were in the same boat as me they didn't have the money to be spending on a bunch of comics and only read them in the store or whatever and put them back. So far I think that may have been the issue here, but I really do think all of these will get a relaunch I plan that they are used in the next crisis or big issue in the DC and brought back just like BB was in t he first place.
#34 Posted by pixelized (62882 posts) - - Show Bio
Nighthunter said:
"I read in scans daily a good proposal that I thought was worth mentioning here.

Buy tps/issues of Blue Beetle to boost sales and if you already have them, give them to charity, there are some kids that could have a read and blue beetle ain't a book with a dark tone and stll has quality without it looking too kiddie.

Even if the book ain't saved, you have done something good for your community"
unless there is a HUGE spike in sales, i doubt it'll do any good.
Also, who would randomly pick up blue beetle? unless it's someone already familiar with the character, or is forced to read his stuff, he's bound to be shelved for the other well known dc heroes
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#35 Posted by Nighthunter (28580 posts) - - Show Bio

true, but just like I said, even if the book ain't saved, atleast you did something good for the kids

#36 Posted by Midnightist (10858 posts) - - Show Bio
Nighthunter said:
"true, but just like I said, even if the book ain't saved, atleast you did something good for the kids"
charity is always nice
#37 Posted by pixelized (62882 posts) - - Show Bio

but who would randomly pick up BB without having some background knowledge on him?

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#38 Posted by Midnightist (10858 posts) - - Show Bio
pixelized said:
"but who would randomly pick up BB without having some background knowledge on him?"
a little kid who said "look mommy look a super hero in a blue suit" lmao
#39 Posted by Nighthunter (28580 posts) - - Show Bio
pixelized said:
"but who would randomly pick up BB without having some background knowledge on him?"
the comics would be given by you...

and blue beetle looks kid friendly
#40 Edited by pixelized (62882 posts) - - Show Bio

I know what charity is. It's a good gesture, i'm just being critical 

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#41 Posted by Hawkingbird (350 posts) - - Show Bio
pixelized said:
"Nighthunter said:
"I read in scans daily a good proposal that I thought was worth mentioning here.

Buy tps/issues of Blue Beetle to boost sales and if you already have them, give them to charity, there are some kids that could have a read and blue beetle ain't a book with a dark tone and stll has quality without it looking too kiddie.

Even if the book ain't saved, you have done something good for your community"
unless there is a HUGE spike in sales, i doubt it'll do any good.
Also, who would randomly pick up blue beetle? unless it's someone already familiar with the character, or is forced to read his stuff, he's bound to be shelved for the other well known dc heroes
"
Please, Spider-Girl and Manhunter have been saved with only SMALL spikes in sales.
People that watch the new Batman cartoon?
#42 Posted by Kurrent (14061 posts) - - Show Bio

So is Nightwing getting canceled?

#43 Posted by Midnightist (10858 posts) - - Show Bio
Kurrent said:
"So is Nightwing getting canceled?"
yeah
#44 Posted by Nighthunter (28580 posts) - - Show Bio

I just thought of a way that could have saved Blue Beetle but I guess it's too late now

Blue Beetle should have been a big part of the Light War, maybe make the Reach one of the many corps, greed would have fit

think about it: Johns likes Jaime, Didio wants to save Blue Beetle, you put him in a place were people are interested and story wise it ain't that forced out, after all the reach are enemies of the guardians and Blue Beetle was one of the few titles that actually had a tie-in with the sinestro corps war

It's been proven that crossovers boost sales if the event has demand, let blue beetle have some

#45 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio

Nightwing?

Blue Beetle?
Whose Next?
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#46 Posted by NightFang (9904 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"Nightwing?
Blue Beetle?
Whose Next?
"
             Somebody please stop the madness!
#47 Posted by Nighthunter (28580 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"Nightwing?
Blue Beetle?
Whose Next?
"
Well in just the start of the year:

Manhunter

Legion of Super-heroes

Nightwing (relaunch after battle of the cowl)

Robin (relaunch after battle for the cowl)

Birds of Prey

Blue Beetle
#48 Edited by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio
Nighthunter said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Nightwing?
Blue Beetle?
Whose Next?
"
Well in just the start of the year:

Manhunter

Legion of Super-heroes

Nightwing (relaunch after battle of the cowl)

Robin (relaunch after battle for the cowl)

Birds of Prey

Blue Beetle"
As long as Robin & Nightwing will relaunch i'm cool with that.The legion has to many characters,Birds of Prey was a bad idea from the beginning..but It sucks Manhunter and Blue Beetle will be cancelled because both comics were good.
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#49 Edited by Nighthunter (28580 posts) - - Show Bio

Birds of prey was great until simone left the book

agreed on the other points though

#50 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio
Nighthunter said:
"Birds of prey was great until simone left the book

agreed on the other points though"
I was actually reading Birds of Prey for a while but it annoys me to see Babs in that wheelchair.I have nothing against paraplegics but Babs was so much cooler when she was Batgirl.Not that Oracle is a bad character but just being helpful through intellect isn't really that cool.
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