So.. The American Panther?

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#1 Posted by Gambit1024 (9843 posts) - - Show Bio
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=31551  
 
   Marvel Comics has sent CBR News the following teaser image offering an exclusive look at what is presumably the Black Panther's next identity: American Panther. The publisher would disclose no information regarding the character or image other than to say "Fear Itself" will have a "huge impact" on "Black Panther: The Man Without Fear." Currently written by David Liss, the series is illustrated by Francesco Frankavilla, who also drew the American Panther character study. 
 
#2 Posted by Nova`Prime` (4165 posts) - - Show Bio

Didn't Cap pretend to be Black Panther in the Ultimate verse so T'Challa could get out from under Fury's thumb? I know its a stretch to say Cap is going to be vigilanting (don't you love made up words) but perhaps this isn't even THE Black Panther?

#3 Posted by Gambit1024 (9843 posts) - - Show Bio

It may not be THE Black Panther (which is why I didn't put it in the BP forum), but I don't think it's Steve in that suit... What about Bucky? They never said what he's gonna be doing during this event

#4 Posted by Mumbles (843 posts) - - Show Bio

L-O-L! what's is going on with this? is every Marvel character going commando(i.e. venom)?

#5 Posted by SC (13390 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyone know much about Mystery Men teasers? When i saw this I sort of actually thought it might deal with that. Oh wait thats right, that is set in the past lol, any hoo. Eh, I like the design, and the name reminds me of a 90's kickboxing movie. Feels a bit gimmicky for me.  
 
@Mumbles said:

" L-O-L! what's is going on with this? is every Marvel character going commando(i.e. venom)? "
 
lol, until I read what your Venom example... I thought you were implying something totally... 
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#6 Posted by CrimsonAvenger (1162 posts) - - Show Bio
@SC:  
 
I get what you thought he was implying, that's just weird.
#7 Posted by PierceSunder (49 posts) - - Show Bio

What's wrong with being African? Is T'Challa even an American citizen?

#8 Posted by Telcalipoca (963 posts) - - Show Bio

dont like the outfit 

#9 Posted by darkcloakx (788 posts) - - Show Bio

 i think it will be interesting . can't wait to get my black panther man without fear trade.

#10 Posted by SC (13390 posts) - - Show Bio
@CrimsonAvenger:  Well, I am weird. lol Unless you meant if Marvel actually made a book about that... in which case I would point at the X-Women book... aka Ragazze In Fuga.
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#11 Posted by PowerHerc (85336 posts) - - Show Bio

What is Marvel trying to do, create another amalgamated character by combining him with Captain America?   
I didn't like the idea of the Iron Patriot and I'm not too keen on this "American Panther" concept either.
#12 Posted by Gambit1024 (9843 posts) - - Show Bio
@PowerHerc said:

" What is Marvel trying to do, create another amalgamated character by combining him with Captain America?   I didn't like the idea of the Iron Patriot and I'm not too keen on this "American Panther" concept either. "

Well before Iron Patriot and American Panther, there was Captain Punisher and that lasted a good 2 issues... 
 
    
 
Hopefully this won't last as long...
#13 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm pretty sure Bandit Kieth is running Marvel now.

#14 Edited by joshmightbe (24759 posts) - - Show Bio

Just please for the love of god don't start a panther corps

#15 Posted by PowerHerc (85336 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gambit1024:
I completely agree. 
#16 Posted by Jean_Luc_LeBeau (84704 posts) - - Show Bio
#17 Posted by Nova`Prime` (4165 posts) - - Show Bio
@SC said:
" ...and the name reminds me of a 90's kickboxing movie.
Wasn't Van Damm in that movie? Maybe its him.
#18 Posted by War Killer (20292 posts) - - Show Bio

O_o
 
Did anyone else think "Captain America Inc." when they first saw this or was it just me? I'm not saying that's what's going to happen, but if you know Marvel and DC, they do bounce the same ideas off of Cap and Batman a lot nowadays, with BOTH dying only for them to BOTH be actually trapped in time, and now BOTH of them are back and well Bruce has already gone back to being Bat's, Steve is going to be back under the mask in July (unfortunately.... -__-) and now we're seeing Black Panther in a Cap style suit and since we're not sure what's going to happen to  Bucky as of yet, is Steve going to try and make more Captain America's? O_O

#19 Posted by joshmightbe (24759 posts) - - Show Bio
@War Killer: Well you know marvel and dc can't do anything without the other having a version of it
#20 Posted by .o0Johnny0o. (744 posts) - - Show Bio

Maybe his fear is forgetting all about it Wakandan heritage and just adopting the principles of the US.  Or that Wakanda is neo-colonised by the US and they all do whatever Uncle Sam says, including any post-humans being drafted into serving American interests?

#21 Posted by SC (13390 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nova`Prime`:  Its hard to remember with Keith "BJ" Vitali as the American Kickboxer 
 
Half way though the match he starts howling like a banshee... then the music... 
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#22 Edited by Osiris1428 (1347 posts) - - Show Bio
@.o0Johnny0o. said:

" Maybe his fear is forgetting all about it Wakandan heritage and just adopting the principles of the US.  Or that Wakanda is neo-colonised by the US and they all do whatever Uncle Sam says, including any post-humans being drafted into serving American interests? "

Now, that's what I fear!! I want T'Challa to go back to Wakanda, bring back the vibranium, and become king again.   
 
@Gambit1024
said:

" http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=31551  
 
   Marvel Comics has sent CBR News the following teaser image offering an exclusive look at what is presumably the Black Panther's next identity: American Panther. The publisher would disclose no information regarding the character or image other than to say "Fear Itself" will have a "huge impact" on "Black Panther: The Man Without Fear." Currently written by David Liss, the series is illustrated by Francesco Frankavilla, who also drew the American Panther character study. 
 
"

NO NO NO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#23 Posted by Finndini (2 posts) - - Show Bio

WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN
 
No. No no no no no no no. I don't care who is in the suit. I do not approve of this concept!
 
....though I kinda dig the costume. >_>

#24 Posted by tensor (5116 posts) - - Show Bio

fail costume is horrible

#25 Posted by Vance Astro (91414 posts) - - Show Bio

I hopes that's Patriot.The Black Panthers were an American group.I'll be pissed if that's T'Challa though.

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#26 Posted by FortressoftheMoon (677 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:
"I hopes that's Patriot.The Black Panthers were an American group.I'll be pissed if that's T'Challa though. "

I hope its not Elijah. I can't see him putting down the shield and putting aside his grandfather's legacy just wear an outfit that would be in the next Mortal Kombat DLC in fact look at this picture makes me want to play Mortal Kombat right now using Sektor or better yet an outfit that looks like he should be riding on a excitbike and hitting ramps to fly over buildings.  
 
Like  you, I will also be pissed if T'Challa stoop to this all time low. 
 
#27 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29510 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheCrowbar said:
" I'm pretty sure Bandit Kieth is running Marvel now. "
LMFAO!
#28 Posted by daredevil21134 (12705 posts) - - Show Bio

Thank GOD!!! NO MORE BLACK Panther Man Without Fear.......but this sucks for T'challa
#29 Posted by Vance Astro (91414 posts) - - Show Bio
@FortressoftheMoon said:
" @Vance Astro said:
"I hopes that's Patriot.The Black Panthers were an American group.I'll be pissed if that's T'Challa though. "

I hope its not Elijah. I can't see him putting down the shield and putting aside his grandfather's legacy just wear an outfit that would be in the next Mortal Kombat DLC in fact look at this picture makes me want to play Mortal Kombat right now using Sektor or better yet an outfit that looks like he should be riding on a excitbike and hitting ramps to fly over buildings.  
 
Like  you, I will also be pissed if T'Challa stoop to this all time low. 
"
I hope it's Elijah because nobody cares about him.Just because he's wearing this costume doesn't mean he's not still carrying the shield.If it is him they probably left the shield out so you wouldn't know who it was.Patriot is a name that has been used by like 5 characters.Being a direct knock off of Cap isn't a good persona to have in the Marvel U especially for a black character.Marvel will forget about you and it won't matter to them.At least if this is him we know he will have a role in Fear Itself and maybe gain some popularity out of it.
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#30 Posted by daredevil21134 (12705 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:
" @FortressoftheMoon said:
" @Vance Astro said:
"I hopes that's Patriot.The Black Panthers were an American group.I'll be pissed if that's T'Challa though. "

I hope its not Elijah. I can't see him putting down the shield and putting aside his grandfather's legacy just wear an outfit that would be in the next Mortal Kombat DLC in fact look at this picture makes me want to play Mortal Kombat right now using Sektor or better yet an outfit that looks like he should be riding on a excitbike and hitting ramps to fly over buildings.  
 
Like  you, I will also be pissed if T'Challa stoop to this all time low. 
 
"
I hope it's Elijah because nobody cares about him.Just because he's wearing this costume doesn't mean he's not still carrying the shield.If it is him they probably left the shield out so you wouldn't know who it was.Patriot is a name that has been used by like 5 characters.Being a direct knock off of Cap isn't a good persona to have in the Marvel U especially for a black character.Marvel will forget about you and it won't matter to them.At least if this is him we know he will have a role in Fear Itself and maybe gain some popularity out of it. "

So True my brotha
#31 Posted by entropy_aegis (15445 posts) - - Show Bio
@joshmightbe said:
"Just please for the love of god don't start a panther corps "

You mean American corps,or cap INC LMAO.
#32 Posted by entropy_aegis (15445 posts) - - Show Bio

Still better than pirate deathstroke or gambling batman,GOD what's up with these guys at MARVEL and DC.
#33 Posted by daredevil21134 (12705 posts) - - Show Bio
@entropy_aegis said:
"Still better than pirate deathstroke or gambling batman,GOD what's up with these guys at MARVEL and DC. "

Who knows.lol
#34 Posted by Osiris1428 (1347 posts) - - Show Bio
@daredevil21134 said:
" Thank GOD!!! NO MORE BLACK Panther Man Without Fear.......but this sucks for T'challa "
Look at the suit and artwork. He looks like Captain Ameri-kanda, Man With Out A Good Steady Story Line *echo, echo*
#35 Posted by daredevil21134 (12705 posts) - - Show Bio
@Osiris1428 said:
" @daredevil21134 said:
" Thank GOD!!! NO MORE BLACK Panther Man Without Fear.......but this sucks for T'challa "
Look at the suit and artwork. He looks like Captain Ameri-kanda, Man With Out A Good Steady Story Line *echo, echo* "

lol
#36 Posted by GalactaSurfer (420 posts) - - Show Bio
American Panther with real bits of Panther in it!
 
@Osiris1428 said:
" @daredevil21134 said:
" Thank GOD!!! NO MORE BLACK Panther Man Without Fear.......but this sucks for T'challa "
Look at the suit and artwork. He looks like Captain Ameri-kanda, Man With Out A Good Steady Story Line *echo, echo* "
LOL So true. 
 
Why does Marvel hate the Black Panther? The destroy everything that was awesome about him, make him job to Doom, make him slum in Hells Kitchen, ignore any story telling potent him and Storm have, and they dont have him doing anything important! WTF?
 
Now hes going to be apart of the Cap Corps? Sigh
#37 Posted by sesquipedalophobe (4766 posts) - - Show Bio

The suit would look all right if it weren't for the pointy ears, white eyes, color scheme and the armor. He needs a monocle and a cane.

#38 Posted by Icon (2109 posts) - - Show Bio

I just hope this means they will drop "The Man Without Fear" from the series title. That belongs to just one man and it's not T'Challa. 

#39 Edited by Osiris1428 (1347 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the suit is meant to look wrong. I think (I hope) that it's supposed to not be appealing to the eye, it may even be meant to be offensive. Hopefully they rectify this. I mean they are doing such a messed up job on Panther, I wish they would let me write it.

#40 Posted by JonesDeini (3501 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gambit1024:  
Normally I'd roll my eyes and write this off due to how  stupid this seems, but I did that with Liss/Francavilla's Man Without Fear and was dead wrong. LOVE THAT TITLE!!! If this is the case I'll check it out and give it a chance. 
#41 Posted by JonesDeini (3501 posts) - - Show Bio
@Osiris1428:  
Indeed, folk, indeed. lol  
 
As far as Man Without Fear goes, by all accounts I should hate it, and by all accounts this story should suck. However, I must say that David Liss/Francesco Francavilla have crafted a GREAT SERIES. The things I would complain about in the title all make sense now in retrospect now that I've read the latest issue. I would Rather T'challa be in Wakanda than hell's kitchen but sometimes's change is good. I'm certain this living situation wont' be permanent, so I'm not sweating it, just going to enjoy the ride, bro. As far as he and Storm goes, not really a fan of that wedding it rings of "He's African, she's African..why not?! This is a great idea!". It's just like when people want to see Supes wifin' up Wondy. Huddlin's run was a miss for me, I enjoyed some of it, but overall gotta say I'm not a fan (though I love the animated series that sprang from it, a shame BET didn't pick it up). Because of that marriage, Storm, one of Marvel's strongest female leads was reduced to a damsel in distress during Doom War. Now she's generally of little to no import to the Marvel U, even in the X-Titles (but all of that I can't blame on the marriage). I wouldn't mind the Marriage if it was delved into more and better displayed in the comics, I mean even if it's just in Shuri's title. Show Storm really being the Queen and guiding her people aside Shuri during the rebuilding process. Sooner than Later I'd like to see T'Challa return to his people, his power, and his throne. And I'd like to see the effects his actions had on his family and his nation.  
#42 Edited by Osiris1428 (1347 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, I mean Storm could be the Xavier in Wakanda as I'm sure there are mutants there as well. Their marriage and Wakanda should be further fleshed out. T'Challa should have KILLED Doom at the end of DoomWar. T'Challa and Sorm's marriage and Wakanda should be further fleshed out. More issues and stories focusing on that, please.

#43 Posted by RightScar (311 posts) - - Show Bio
@Osiris1428 said:
" Yeah, I mean Storm could be the Xavier in Wakanda as I'm sure there are mutants there as well. Their marriage and Wahanda should be further fleshed out. T'Challa should have KILLED Doom at the end of DoomWar. "
Marvel isn't going to let T'Challa kill one of their greatest villains.
#44 Edited by Osiris1428 (1347 posts) - - Show Bio

I saw they should. It would be more significant than oh, say, that whole fiasco with "killing" the Human Torch. I wonder how T'Challa feels toward Reed Richards for allowing Doom to join the FF.

#45 Edited by Osiris1428 (1347 posts) - - Show Bio

One more thing: It's funny to know that on Marvel's website, because of American Panther, Black Panther FINALLY has a separate thread all to himself. Wow, it took all that. Or should say, it took that!?!?  
 
 
Look, Marvel, it's simple: There are OBVIOUS things in Black Panther's story that should be fleshed out that you seem to ignore it in a desperate mad dash to make Panther more 'relevant'. 
1). Flesh out the marriage between T'Challa and Storm. Deadpool and his inner monologues/personalities have a better fully realized relationship.  

2).Wakanda. Why don't you for a couple of issues give us a better idea of what Wakanda is like to live in. It's citizens, it's problems. Is there no crime? Are there any mutants for Storm to teach/lead? How big is it geographically? Different factions of its military and government? How are their weapons made? Population size? Are there different cities/tribes within this nation? How are they ran? How has Wakanda fared since losing all of it's vibrianium. If Captain America still has his shield, is it safe to assume that not all of the vibrianium is gone...which brings me to my next topic...  

3). Where did the worlds vibranium really come from? SPACE TRIP!!!! It came from space, but was it on purpose. Was it like how out moon was formed, by sheer accident, or, was there something...alien??? Have you guys ever seen that movie 'Mission To Mars'? In the story they basically found out that all life on Earth was started by life on Mars. That could be the inspiration for a story on maybe not just getting the vibrianium back, but where it came from. Who is to say, I mean how far back in the history of Wakanda does the precious metal go-the beginning of time? 

  •      There is a tribe of Africans- the Dogon, who believe that all life on Earth started from life from outer space. There are conspiracy theorists that are "Convinced of evidence that the Egyptian, Sumerian, and Dogon  civilizations were founded by aliens from the Sirius star system who are now ready to return. ..." and all that other 2012 nonsense. I think there is a great story in there for Black Panther. If only we had a writer who wasn't trying to gives us that old "T'Challa has to prove himself-to himself...again" and wanted to give us something new...
#46 Posted by darkcloakx (788 posts) - - Show Bio

i agree with Osiris1428 statement about black panther. unfornatunely in comicbooks black characters are less developed then most characters. 

#47 Posted by Osiris1428 (1347 posts) - - Show Bio
@darkcloakx said:
" i agree with Osiris1428 statement about black panther. Unfortunately in comicbooks black characters are less developed then most characters.  "
I guess because it's scary. You don't want to alienate anyone, and wind up finding things wrong in society you keep thinking was long done and over with. Look at the reaction to Hiemdal being played by Idris Elba. Who knew it would be that big of a deal?
#48 Posted by entropy_aegis (15445 posts) - - Show Bio
@Osiris1428:
I have a better question,why has'nt Marvel hired this guy?
#49 Posted by Osiris1428 (1347 posts) - - Show Bio
@entropy_aegis said:
" @Osiris1428: I have a better question,why has'nt Marvel hired this guy? "
What guy, who me? Lol. I wish. I would love to. I need to work on my art work more, and then, maybe I'll take it to a comic con and see what happens. But who did you mean?
#50 Posted by JonesDeini (3501 posts) - - Show Bio
@Osiris1428 said:
" One more thing: It's funny to know that on Marvel's website, because of American Panther, Black Panther FINALLY has a separate thread all to himself. Wow, it took all that. Or should say, it took that!?!?  
 
 
Look, Marvel, it's simple: There are OBVIOUS things in Black Panther's story that should be fleshed out that you seem to ignore it in a desperate mad dash to make Panther more 'relevant'. 
1). Flesh out the marriage between T'Challa and Storm. Deadpool and his inner monologues/personalities have a better fully realized relationship.  

2).Wakanda. Why don't you for a couple of issues give us a better idea of what Wakanda is like to live in. It's citizens, it's problems. Is there no crime? Are there any mutants for Storm to teach/lead? How big is it geographically? Different factions of its military and government? How are their weapons made? Population size? Are there different cities/tribes within this nation? How are they ran? How has Wakanda fared since losing all of it's vibrianium. If Captain America still has his shield, is it safe to assume that not all of the vibrianium is gone...which brings me to my next topic...  

3). Where did the worlds vibranium really come from? SPACE TRIP!!!! It came from space, but was it on purpose. Was it like how out moon was formed, by sheer accident, or, was there something...alien??? Have you guys ever seen that movie 'Mission To Mars'? In the story they basically found out that all life on Earth was started by life on Mars. That could be the inspiration for a story on maybe not just getting the vibrianium back, but where it came from. Who is to say, I mean how far back in the history of Wakanda does the precious metal go-the beginning of time? 
  •      There is a tribe of Africans- the Dogon, who believe that all life on Earth started from life from outer space. There are conspiracy theorists that are "Convinced of evidence that the Egyptian, Sumerian, and Dogon  civilizations were founded by aliens from the Sirius star system who are now ready to return. ..." and all that other 2012 nonsense. I think there is a great story in there for Black Panther. If only we had a writer who wasn't trying to gives us that old "T'Challa has to prove himself-to himself...again" and wanted to give us something new...
"
Preach, my naga!!! Plays On & On by Erykah badu. These are ALL things I'd like to see tackled when T'challa leaves Hells Kitchen. I think many writers (especially white one's) just don't know how to handle writing a predominantly black cast, especially an African one. There are exceptions like Dysart's excellent work on Unknown Soldier, but these works are few and far in between. I think the idea of the worlds most advanced nation being located in the continent that most people associate with 1. Slavery 2. Famine 3. Poverty 4. Disease 5. Civil War/Genocide 6. is difficult for a writer/readers to accept if you get me. So naturally the writer tends to start a series in Wakanda with some nice scenery shots, but inevitably moves things to NY or throws T'challa around other heroes asap. I'd like to see Panther/Wakanda portrayed by a writer and artist who've spent some time in Africa, and understands it's history and current political climate. One of the things that helped Dysart write such a vivid and authentically African tale was spending time in Uganda and the surrounding nations. He internalized the place he was writing until it's people, it's sounds, it's sites, it's smells naturally flowed forth from him. I believe somebody with a base level understanding could come up with some truly amazing stories. All those unpleasant things most people associate with would make great problems for T'challa and his people to tackle. Imagine an arc focused around Wakanda breaking it's isolationists stance and stepping into the Uganda Genocide, or T'challa using his intellect (he's one of the 8 smartest men on earth dammit!!!) to tackle the issues of famine, poverty, disease? If Reed can try to solve everything why not T'Challa. I'd like to see a portrayal of Africa in the mainstream of this medium that wasn't a generic jungle/shanty town/plain/bush. Let's see Wakanda from all angles, let's see the fusion of the ancient and the bleeding edge. I think that The Panther Motion comic's portrayal of Wakanda's an excellent place to start for any writer trying write Panther. 

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