I don't know if it matters that much to people whether or not a character is white. I think if someone was to change an already established chracters race, it would be met with the same attitude that I would offer, disdain. If they make more black heroes, fine. If they keep focusing on the majority of comic readers, that is fine too. I will always judge a character by how they are written, not what color they are. It saddens me that you do not agree. It seems you may be more of a racist then my white friends, which wouldn't be much of a reach because I don't associate with racists. This opinion is just based on reading your posts though so I may be way off.

But let me ask you a question:   Do you hate Whitey?

once again Vance Astro. Your onesidedness skews your vision from seeing the real facts. Tell me I'm wrong. That's fine. But just know that deep in your heart you don't want there to be a balance because you're token. It provides a nice pseudo-bubble in which you can stroke your insecure ego.
Balance exists within nature. People are apart of nature. Comics are now apart of people. Balance will come and when it does, you'll own up to the fact that you're running from truth.
You're happy that these comics cater to white people. You champion the distortment of your own people and you don't even know it. Go to bed feeling like you've won, but your subconscious knows the truth. It's always the token black in the movie that dies at the beginning.

 It seems you may be more of a racist then my white friends, which wouldn't be much of a reach because I don't associate with racists. This opinion is just based on reading your posts though so I may be way off.

But let me ask you a question:   Do you hate Whitey?"

"once again Vance Astro. Your onesidedness skews your vision from seeing the real facts. Tell me I'm wrong. That's fine. But just know that deep in your heart you don't want there to be a balance because you're token. It provides a nice pseudo-bubble in which you can stroke your insecure ego.
Balance exists within nature. People are apart of nature. Comics are now apart of people. Balance will come and when it does, you'll own up to the fact that you're running from truth.
You're happy that these comics cater to white people. You champion the distortment of your own people and you don't even know it. Go to bed feeling like you've won, but your subconscious knows the truth. It's always the token black in the movie that dies at the beginning."

I knew this was coming, it's always a signal from a scared person who's afraid of gaining knowledge. So they lash out and try to make jokes to mask their inner turmoil. Say it's reverse racism. Say whatever. Call me what you want. Be confused it's okay. Throughout history every person who came thru and spoke the truth was either labeled as an offender or crazy or evil or racist or whatever. You don't know me. But what you do know about me is that i've read and enjoyed comics for along time, regardless of the characters race. and I can see past color the character's true emotions. If you knew me, you'd know that I'm loyal to a friend whatever race or creed. The fact that I speak the truth and you run from it should answer your question.
let me ask you a question: why do you let your emotions imprison your thoughts?

"I knew this was coming, it's always a signal from a scared person who's afraid of gaining knowledge. So they lash out and try to make jokes to mask their inner turmoil. Say it's reverse racism. Say whatever. Call me what you want. Be confused it's okay. Throughout history every person who came thru and spoke the truth was either labeled as an offender or crazy or evil or racist or whatever. You don't know me. But what you do know about me is that i've read and enjoyed comics for along time, regardless of the characters race. and I can see past color the character's true emotions. If you knew me, you'd know that I'm loyal to a friend whatever race or creed. The fact that I speak the truth and you run from it should answer your question.
let me ask you a question: why do you let your emotions imprison your thoughts?"

So doesn't it make sense that if Marvel is a company that's after money, and it's a proven fact that black people spend over $2billion dollars a year on shit they don't need, wouldn't marvel try to get some of that $$$

or is it that they just don't care

"So doesn't it make sense that if Marvel is a company that's after money, and it's a proven fact that black people spend over $2billion dollars a year on shit they don't need, wouldn't marvel try to get some of that $$$

or is it that they just don't care"

Have you ever been to a comic shop in a black community?

"Have you ever been to a comic shop in a black community?"

you didn't answer my question. I'm guessing the answer is no
that's probably because not to many of them exist. Why? because the comic industry caters

there's no reason to get angry, vance astro, this is just a debate

but it wouldn't surprize me if you were the only black person you know.....that was joke. see i can convey humor

"you didn't answer my question. I'm guessing the answer is no
that's probably because not to many of them exist. Why? because the comic industry caters"

Hey I gotta go guys, nice debating with you. Feel free to blast my page or email with messages of hate or love. It's all the same. Maybe we'll all meet in the astral plane.]
peace


p.s. vance astro- i can tell you of some books that'll help you unbrainwash yourself and remove your WILLIE LYNCH chip
p.s. who doesn't like fried chicken?

"Hey I gotta go guys, nice debating with you. Feel free to blast my page or email with messages of hate or love. It's all the same. Maybe we'll all meet in the astral plane.]
peace


p.s. vance astro- i can tell you of some books that'll help you unbrainwash yourself and remove your WILLIE LYNCH chip
p.s. who doesn't like fried chicken?"

whatever makes you feel better vance.
remember don't let your emotions get to you in a debate. you turn out lookin like an ignorant fuck with no vision

"you didn't answer my question. I'm guessing the answer is no
that's probably because not to many of them exist. Why? because the comic industry caters

there's no reason to get angry, vance astro, this is just a debate

but it wouldn't surprize me if you were the only black person you know.....that was joke. see i can convey humor"

"whatever makes you feel better vance.
remember don't let your emotions get to you in a debate. you turn out lookin like an ignorant fuck with no vision"

um....yeah this is a debate.
and i didn't call you a sellout. I called you a token black. you seem to fit the description.
Anyway just keep purchasing comics and making Marvel rich, while you get no representation. what a free thinker...

"um....yeah this is a debate.
and i didn't call you a sellout. I called you a token black. you seem to fit the description.
Anyway just keep purchasing comics and making Marvel rich, while you get no representation. what a free thinker..."

"

"Remember b#tching on forums instead of to the people who are doing something wrong is pointless."
unless you have a plan. Which mine is well underway...My aim wasn't to bitch at you. It was to try to get black comic heads to see we need more representation., but i guess it is pointless when you're talking to a token. seriously maybe you should read a book before you try to drop some knowledge.
peace to the godz

"

I can promise you Swordz81 that if you could get a fairly large number of black people to say they would subscribe to comics if they had more black heroes, i mean a large number like the same amount of white people that buy comics, i would guarantee you that marvel would make some changes.

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Lol. I think you scared him away Vance.

"Lol. I think you scared him away Vance."

Storm is only perfect with T'Challa. Anyone that thinks she looks better with Wolverine can kill themselves. LOL.

"Storm is only perfect with T'Challa. Anyone that thinks she looks better with Wolverine can kill themselves. LOL."

"Storm is only perfect with T'Challa. Anyone that thinks she looks better with Wolverine can kill themselves. LOL."

Queen Ororo, just might be the new Black Panther.

"Queen Ororo, just might be the new Black Panther."

"StormAmazonPheonix said:

"Queen Ororo, just might be the new Black Panther."

I doubt that...Why would she bother being Black Panther when she's already Storm."

"I love you (NO HOMO)."

He was in my dream the other night. That's how I know I've gone nerd overload.

"Vance Astro said:

"I love you (NO HOMO)."

I f@cking love you, too. LOL."

"StormAmazonPheonix said:

"Queen Ororo, just might be the new Black Panther."

I doubt that...Why would she bother being Black Panther when she's already Storm."

"Vance Astro said:

"StormAmazonPheonix said:

"Queen Ororo, just might be the new Black Panther."

I doubt that...Why would she bother being Black Panther when she's already Storm."

#1) I would assume that when the King is incapacitated the Queen would step in and take over as ruler. Not a sibling of the King.

#2) With the advice tha Ororo gave Emma Frost in the latest issue of Uncanny, If Emma wanted to be a REAL Queen than she has to lead. Something to that affect.  

#3) In the first issue of Storm's mini, X-men: Worlds Apart, T'Challa's advisor B'Chaku, asked Queen Ororo "What duty is GREATER than that of Queen of  Wakanda."

#4) The writer of Storm's mini, Chris Yost, stated that the outcome of Worlds Apart will directly affect Black Panther and Astonishing X-men, assuming that she is in both books at the end of the mini. His words, not mine.

#5) Not to mention the fact that Hudlin said in his interview, that the new Black Panther story line is based on BIG LOVE. And the way I interpreted BIG LOVE, wasn't brother/sister love. More like Husband/Wife love. Or some King/Queen  type love. As well as the hints dropped about " a storm brewing in Wakanda." And the unforgettable one "these books are gonna fly like the wind off the shelves."

#6) Let's assume that Shuri IS the new Black Panther. Wouldn't that mean that the covers with Echo and the DM are indeed FAKE?
 With that logic in hand, isn't it totally possible that the new Black Panther cover with brown eyes is a fake?! Hell yeah it is. Its totally possible.  

Hey, I could be wrong, but it seems quite logical to me. Seeing as a lot of people complained about NOT seeing what Storm's Queenly duties consisted of. Hudlin could be trying to give us that. And would that Not further solidify her place within the Black Panther mythos? Oh Hell Yes, IT WOULD!!!
"

"grkpektis said:

"I think the black panther is a great character but I don't like storm that much.  I think he should have married photon (captain marvel) instead.  She is hotter, a lot more powerful and a lot more intresting plus storm is very annoying."

Photon is a nobody..Black Panther is Marvel's only black hero with an ongoing.Storm is the most popular black female superhero in Marvel...Do the Math."

"so just because they are both black?

that idea is completely stupid.

"

"Vance Astro said:

"grkpektis said:

"I think the black panther is a great character but I don't like storm that much.  I think he should have married photon (captain marvel) instead.  She is hotter, a lot more powerful and a lot more intresting plus storm is very annoying."

Photon is a nobody..Black Panther is Marvel's only black hero with an ongoing.Storm is the most popular black female superhero in Marvel...Do the Math."

so just because they are both black?

that idea is completely stupid.

"

I hate Reginald Hudlin's writing.  Maybe he will do Shuri much better than he did T'Challa.  All I know is, I wish some writer somewhere would take Storm back to HER home.  Not with the X-Men, but with her grandmother.  Before Storm was known as a Queen, she was known as an X-men.  Before she was known as an X-Men, she was known as a Goddess.  And before she was known as a Goddess, she was royalty.  Her mother was a princess, and now, her mother is dead.  SOMEONE had to inherit the title after her.  For cryin out loud, Storm needs to go back, and learn some more about her witch-mutant heritage. 

"

I hate Reginald Hudlin's writing.  Maybe he will do Shuri much better than he did T'Challa.  All I know is, I wish some writer somewhere would take Storm back to HER home.  Not with the X-Men, but with her grandmother.  Before Storm was known as a Queen, she was known as an X-men.  Before she was known as an X-Men, she was known as a Goddess.  And before she was known as a Goddess, she was royalty.  Her mother was a princess, and now, her mother is dead.  SOMEONE had to inherit the title after her.  For cryin out loud, Storm needs to go back, and learn some more about her witch-mutant heritage. 

"

"

I hate Reginald Hudlin's writing.  Maybe he will do Shuri much better than he did T'Challa.  All I know is, I wish some writer somewhere would take Storm back to HER home.  Not with the X-Men, but with her grandmother.  Before Storm was known as a Queen, she was known as an X-men.  Before she was known as an X-Men, she was known as a Goddess.  And before she was known as a Goddess, she was royalty.  Her mother was a princess, and now, her mother is dead.  SOMEONE had to inherit the title after her.  For cryin out loud, Storm needs to go back, and learn some more about her witch-mutant heritage. 

"

"White Mage said:

"

I hate Reginald Hudlin's writing.  Maybe he will do Shuri much better than he did T'Challa.  All I know is, I wish some writer somewhere would take Storm back to HER home.  Not with the X-Men, but with her grandmother.  Before Storm was known as a Queen, she was known as an X-men.  Before she was known as an X-Men, she was known as a Goddess.  And before she was known as a Goddess, she was royalty.  Her mother was a princess, and now, her mother is dead.  SOMEONE had to inherit the title after her.  For cryin out loud, Storm needs to go back, and learn some more about her witch-mutant heritage. 

"

......................."

"White Mage said:

"

I hate Reginald Hudlin's writing.  Maybe he will do Shuri much better than he did T'Challa.  All I know is, I wish some writer somewhere would take Storm back to HER home.  Not with the X-Men, but with her grandmother.  Before Storm was known as a Queen, she was known as an X-men.  Before she was known as an X-Men, she was known as a Goddess.  And before she was known as a Goddess, she was royalty.  Her mother was a princess, and now, her mother is dead.  SOMEONE had to inherit the title after her.  For cryin out loud, Storm needs to go back, and learn some more about her witch-mutant heritage. 

"

Hudlin has proven with Storm..he can't write for a female.Storm went from tough as nails to yes massa in a few issues."

"Graft said:

"White Mage said:

"

I hate Reginald Hudlin's writing.  Maybe he will do Shuri much better than he did T'Challa.  All I know is, I wish some writer somewhere would take Storm back to HER home.  Not with the X-Men, but with her grandmother.  Before Storm was known as a Queen, she was known as an X-men.  Before she was known as an X-Men, she was known as a Goddess.  And before she was known as a Goddess, she was royalty.  Her mother was a princess, and now, her mother is dead.  SOMEONE had to inherit the title after her.  For cryin out loud, Storm needs to go back, and learn some more about her witch-mutant heritage. 

"

......................."

DBMBY."

Has anyone been reading Worlds Apart? It seems as if my predictions as to who the New Black Panther is, is coming dangerously close to being true.

"Has anyone been reading Worlds Apart? It seems as if my predictions as to who the New Black Panther is, is coming dangerously close to being true."

"Sovereign Vance said:

"White Mage said:

"

I hate Reginald Hudlin's writing.  Maybe he will do Shuri much better than he did T'Challa.  All I know is, I wish some writer somewhere would take Storm back to HER home.  Not with the X-Men, but with her grandmother.  Before Storm was known as a Queen, she was known as an X-men.  Before she was known as an X-Men, she was known as a Goddess.  And before she was known as a Goddess, she was royalty.  Her mother was a princess, and now, her mother is dead.  SOMEONE had to inherit the title after her.  For cryin out loud, Storm needs to go back, and learn some more about her witch-mutant heritage. 

"

Hudlin has proven with Storm..he can't write for a female.Storm went from tough as nails to yes massa in a few issues."

ROFLMAO!!  Wow. 

Sovereign Vance said:

"Graft said:

"White Mage said:

"

I hate Reginald Hudlin's writing.  Maybe he will do Shuri much better than he did T'Challa.  All I know is, I wish some writer somewhere would take Storm back to HER home.  Not with the X-Men, but with her grandmother.  Before Storm was known as a Queen, she was known as an X-men.  Before she was known as an X-Men, she was known as a Goddess.  And before she was known as a Goddess, she was royalty.  Her mother was a princess, and now, her mother is dead.  SOMEONE had to inherit the title after her.  For cryin out loud, Storm needs to go back, and learn some more about her witch-mutant heritage. 

"

......................."

DBMBY."

What does that mean?"

"White Mage said:

"Sovereign Vance said:

"White Mage said:

"

I hate Reginald Hudlin's writing.  Maybe he will do Shuri much better than he did T'Challa.  All I know is, I wish some writer somewhere would take Storm back to HER home.  Not with the X-Men, but with her grandmother.  Before Storm was known as a Queen, she was known as an X-men.  Before she was known as an X-Men, she was known as a Goddess.  And before she was known as a Goddess, she was royalty.  Her mother was a princess, and now, her mother is dead.  SOMEONE had to inherit the title after her.  For cryin out loud, Storm needs to go back, and learn some more about her witch-mutant heritage. 

"

Hudlin has proven with Storm..he can't write for a female.Storm went from tough as nails to yes massa in a few issues."

ROFLMAO!!  Wow. 

Sovereign Vance said:

"Graft said:

"White Mage said:

"

I hate Reginald Hudlin's writing.  Maybe he will do Shuri much better than he did T'Challa.  All I know is, I wish some writer somewhere would take Storm back to HER home.  Not with the X-Men, but with her grandmother.  Before Storm was known as a Queen, she was known as an X-men.  Before she was known as an X-Men, she was known as a Goddess.  And before she was known as a Goddess, she was royalty.  Her mother was a princess, and now, her mother is dead.  SOMEONE had to inherit the title after her.  For cryin out loud, Storm needs to go back, and learn some more about her witch-mutant heritage. 

"

......................."

DBMBY."

What does that mean?"

Don't be me...be yourself."