I think the black panther is a great character but I don't like storm that much.  I think he should have married photon (captain marvel) instead.  She is hotter, a lot more powerful and a lot more intresting plus storm is very annoying.

"I think the black panther is a great character but I don't like storm that much.  I think he should have married photon (captain marvel) instead.  She is hotter, a lot more powerful and a lot more intresting plus storm is very annoying."

I agree with you 100% grkpektis!! BP should've married Photon!!  I've brought this suggestion up in other forums as well.  I'm glad someone else sees BP and Photon's connection!!
BP is a genius strategist and physicist.  A mastermind. I've always felt that BP and Photon would've made a better couple because they would link more on the scientist tip. They seemed to have a better chemistry. Not that Storm isn't intelligent. She's a brilliant mind, but I think she fits more as a Goddess/Leader. I can't help but think that Photon would have challenged BP mentally alittle more. I could definately see BP and Photon on some Cosmic level adventures

But it's too late now BP and Storm are together. Not that I mind them being together, I think they represent Africa to the fullest and will do big things as Marvel's next power couple. They are the definition of true royalty.
Ororo and T'Challa are great examples of 21st century heroes though, and will have some great adventures.

As for Photon being a nobody, that's strange cause I distinctly remember her being called Captain Marvel and once leading the Avengers. I think Photon is way hotter. Plus Storm has nothing to really brag about right now.  She's yet to have a successful series plus she's getting shitted on by the writers @ Marvel big time. I love Storm but let's keep it real.

"I agree with you 100% grkpektis!! BP should've married Photon!!  I've brought this suggestion up in other forums as well.  I'm glad someone else sees BP and Photon's connection!!
BP is a genius strategist and physicist.  A mastermind. I've always felt that BP and Photon would've made a better couple because they would link more on the scientist tip. They seemed to have a better chemistry. Not that Storm isn't intelligent. She's a brilliant mind, but I think she fits more as a Goddess/Leader. I can't help but think that Photon would have challenged BP mentally alittle more. I could definately see BP and Photon on some Cosmic level adventures

But it's too late now BP and Storm are together. Not that I mind them being together, I think they represent Africa to the fullest and will do big things as Marvel's next power couple. They are the definition of true royalty.
Ororo and T'Challa are great examples of 21st century heroes though, and will have some great adventures.

As for Photon being a nobody, that's strange cause I distinctly remember her being called Captain Marvel and once leading the Avengers. I think Photon is way hotter. Plus Storm has nothing to really brag about right now.  She's yet to have a successful series plus she's getting shitted on by the writers @ Marvel big time. I love Storm but let's keep it real."

She isn't a very well know character,she's not even African?
Black Panther doesn't need to to be on any cosmic adventures?
Two nerds=lame storyline?
Cosmic Adventures are lame?
Photon is a nobody?
I couldn't see any Avengers taking orders from a newcomer?...

and the list goes on...

For a comic book reader Your one-sidedness amazes me...

and this line>>>"saying Photon is way hotter is complete ridiculous because it's not true and on top of it she is a comic character so she is only as hot as the artist makes her" .....wow

I think they have done a great job with Storm. Her character developement during her decision to marry Black Panther was for me, an awesome read. And ever since then reading Storm has been great.

Photon is a nobody. I love the Avengers and I had to look her up just to remember who you guys were talking about. Lol.

"She isn't a very well know character,she's not even African?
Black Panther doesn't need to to be on any cosmic adventures?
Two nerds=lame storyline?
Cosmic Adventures are lame?
Photon is a nobody?
I couldn't see any Avengers taking orders from a newcomer?...

and the list goes on...

For a comic book reader Your one-sidedness amazes me...

and this line>>>"saying Photon is way hotter is complete ridiculous because it's not true and on top of it she is a comic character so she is only as hot as the artist makes her" .....wow"

"Swordz81 said:

"She isn't a very well know character,she's not even African?
Black Panther doesn't need to to be on any cosmic adventures?
Two nerds=lame storyline?
Cosmic Adventures are lame?
Photon is a nobody?
I couldn't see any Avengers taking orders from a newcomer?...

and the list goes on...

For a comic book reader Your one-sidedness amazes me...

and this line>>>"saying Photon is way hotter is complete ridiculous because it's not true and on top of it she is a comic character so she is only as hot as the artist makes her" .....wow"

Is something wrong with you with you?

Yes...Photon is only as hot as the artist makes here...that's common f#ckin sense.She-Hulk is usually drawn pretty hot and curvy,other times she looks like trash.Same with Storm...almost always with Photon.Artisit don't care about Photon just like the don't care about Misty Knight so the usually just look like some random black chick.Your acting like these two women are real and they can are born looking how they look...you know that's not the case.

One-sidedness? WTF are you talking about? I'm one-sided because I see things the way they are,rather than living in some fantasy world where characters nobody gives a sh#t about get some PT?

Storm and Monica Rambeau are not comparible in anyway except in power...but because of Marvel's love of her they would probably let Storm win if they fought.The let her damage Emma in her diamond form with a bundle of straw and harm Dark Phoenix with wind.

"

"Vance Astro said:

"Swordz81 said:

"She isn't a very well know character,she's not even African?
Black Panther doesn't need to to be on any cosmic adventures?
Two nerds=lame storyline?
Cosmic Adventures are lame?
Photon is a nobody?
I couldn't see any Avengers taking orders from a newcomer?...

and the list goes on...

For a comic book reader Your one-sidedness amazes me...

and this line>>>"saying Photon is way hotter is complete ridiculous because it's not true and on top of it she is a comic character so she is only as hot as the artist makes her" .....wow"

Is something wrong with you with you?

Yes...Photon is only as hot as the artist makes here...that's common f#ckin sense.She-Hulk is usually drawn pretty hot and curvy,other times she looks like trash.Same with Storm...almost always with Photon.Artisit don't care about Photon just like the don't care about Misty Knight so the usually just look like some random black chick.Your acting like these two women are real and they can are born looking how they look...you know that's not the case.

One-sidedness? WTF are you talking about? I'm one-sided because I see things the way they are,rather than living in some fantasy world where characters nobody gives a sh#t about get some PT?

Storm and Monica Rambeau are not comparible in anyway except in power...but because of Marvel's love of her they would probably let Storm win if they fought.The let her damage Emma in her diamond form with a bundle of straw and harm Dark Phoenix with wind.

"

okay dude whatever you say. You're right.  You just totally convinced me of the illogic in my thinking. I should never have questioned your onesidedness. I agree that you are right and I was totally wrong. haha
seriously you ignorant fuck...grow up and expand your mind
"Artisit don't care about Photon just like the don't care about Misty Knight so the usually just look like some random black chick." - Just this one sentence reveals your idiocy.
 I won't respond anymore or else I'll lose another 10000 brain cells from conversing with you
"

You say "do the math"
Why do don't you do the same>>>use your brain,utilize COMICVINE's comic book search engine and look up Photon.
As a black comic reader I keep up with Marvel's black superhero roster. There's a lack of mainstream black superheroes, Black Panther being #1 in my opinion. Seeing as you probably don't give a shit, research Photon and see if she's powerful enough to rival Storm.
the main point: Just because Storm is the most popular black female in Marvel Universe, doesn't mean BP HAD to marry her.

I see nothing wrong with BP and Storm's relationship either. I think they'll be Marvel's next premiere power couple.
I just think Photon would have been a better choice.

"You say "do the math"
Why do don't you do the same>>>use your brain,utilize COMICVINE's comic book search engine and look up Photon.
As a black comic reader I keep up with Marvel's black superhero roster. There's a lack of mainstream black superheroes, Black Panther being #1 in my opinion. Seeing as you probably don't give a shit, research Photon and see if she's powerful enough to rival Storm.
the main point: Just because Storm is the most popular black female in Marvel Universe, doesn't mean BP HAD to marry her."

i agree, we both have our opinions cool. As far as BP and Storm getting married, I'm always down for them. They're true royalty. Since it was such a sudden marriage because Hudlin sprung it on us so fast, I'd rather it have been Photon. I felt that the marriage of Storm and BP should have had alot more royal ceremony and more significance. Maybe I'm just pissed Hudlin had a great opportunity to make their marriage a full blown Marvel spectacular event but ended up making it mediocre. I know these are fictional characters, but I felt they deserved more. oh well
I'm also pissed because Storm's been around for 30 years and should receive the same treatment as Wonder Woman in the DC universe but she doesn't. I think she's wasting her time going back and forth between the Astonishing X-Men and Wakanda. BP and Storm need to form a new supergroup tackling world wide issues.

"i agree, we both have our opinions cool. As far as BP and Storm getting married, I'm always down for them. They're true royalty. Since it was such a sudden marriage because Hudlin sprung it on us so fast, I'd rather it have been Photon. I felt that the marriage of Storm and BP should have had alot more royal ceremony and more significance. Maybe I'm just pissed Hudlin had a great opportunity to make their marriage a full blown Marvel spectacular event but ended up making it mediocre. I know these are fictional characters, but I felt they deserved more. oh well
I'm also pissed because Storm's been around for 30 years and should receive the same treatment as Wonder Woman in the DC universe but she doesn't. I think she's wasting her time going back and forth between the Astonishing X-Men and Wakanda. BP and Storm need to form a new supergroup tackling world wide issues."

I don't see it as BP treating her that way. I mean I know that's how it's written but I read the previous volumes of BP and T'Challa is the most loyal comrade you can have. I just ignore Hudlin's arc as if it doesn't exist. Jason Aaron was such a breath of fresh air.

I think Storm SHOULD be Marvel's premiere female hero.

I'm pro-black and pro-africa, hell fuckin yeah. Black Panther and Storm are both pro-black and pro-Africa as well, how could they not be.  Hudlin just lacks vision and can't tell a story worth shit.

I also think just because the comics industry is written for white people by white people, doesn't excuse the lack of black or ethnic characters. If a character isn't worth reading then why put them in comics? People from all races read comics, and comics should reflect that. When I take my kid out to get an action figure and find no black heroes, it's very frustrating and it's bullshit.
It's like fanboys think only white people can save the world.

"I don't see it as BP treating her that way. I mean I know that's how it's written but I read the previous volumes of BP and T'Challa is the most loyal comrade you can have. I just ignore Hudlin's arc as if it doesn't exist. Jason Aaron was such a breath of fresh air.

I think Storm SHOULD be Marvel's premiere female hero.

I'm pro-black and pro-africa, hell fuckin yeah. Black Panther and Storm are both pro-black and pro-Africa as well, how could they not be.  Hudlin just lacks vision and can't tell a story worth shit.

I also think just because the comics industry is written for white people by white people, doesn't excuse the lack of black or ethnic characters. If a character isn't worth reading then why put them in comics? People from all races read comics, and comics should reflect that. When I take my kid out to get an action figure and find no black heroes, it's very frustrating and it's bullshit.
It's like fanboys think only white people can save the world."

The greatness of America. We can all disagree
I think they're should be more prominent native american, asian, black characters etc. I think it should reflect the readers. I don't think Storm should be the premier female, because she's black. I think it's because she's a true leader and she's earned it.

Race is a big issue in the world. It's at the core of the current presidential race.  Believe it or not, it's also needs to be dealt with in comics because they're are alot of readers who'd like to see mainstream characters of ethnicity. Why ignore it like it doesn't exist? Because it makes people uncomfortable. Readers want to escape into a universe (Marvel) where color doesn't matter, and that's all good. We ALL want to escape. But when the world you escape too still ignores you then that world isn't worth escaping to. Come on, can you really get mad at a person who wants to see themselves represented more in comics? O r should they turn the other cheek and act like it doesn't exist. Don't you feel you need to be heard when you're concerns aren't being met? If so then you can understand where i'm coming from. If not, then you really do think you live in the world of fantasy.

Just because someone doesn't care what color a superhero is doesn't mean that diversity is not needed. We need more women writers and creators, more gay and lesbian writers and creators etc. Diversity is vital if we wanna get through the 21st century without killing each other.

I think Hudlin built the current BP arc on superficial race issues without tactfully approaching issues and engaging readers. That's why he sucks. Like I said, I want to be able to take my kids to a movie or buy an action figure of color, without leaving frustrated . My kid loves action figures and has many that are white. I love it because he loves superheroes but it bothers me thta 2 out of his 30 are black and the rest white. If it was the other way around, I could totally see a parent getting frustrated because all they're kids action figures were black and only 1 or 2 was white.  Say what you will but People act totally different when the tables are turned. If you're Native American and you don't see yourself represented then maybe you should be a voice in getting more native american heroes to shine.

Superheroes of today are modern mythological symbols. We look to these heroes as role models and as models of morality. What does it tell the kids of color who see all the characters/symbols being depicted as something they're not. Major mindfuck and the media just fuels it.
You may not want to face it but the major players= Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Hulk, Iron Man, Captain America are all white males.
And fanboys still think that's all good and we have diversity. Spare me the bullshit...

main point= the superhero industry needs balance.

Storm has history with BP from when they were kids...

"The greatness of America. We can all disagree
I think they're should be more prominent native american, asian, black characters etc. I think it should reflect the readers. I don't think Storm should be the premier female, because she's black. I think it's because she's a true leader and she's earned it.

Race is a big issue in the world. It's at the core of the current presidential race.  Believe it or not, it's also needs to be dealt with in comics because they're are alot of readers who'd like to see mainstream characters of ethnicity. Why ignore it like it doesn't exist? Because it makes people uncomfortable. Readers want to escape into a universe (Marvel) where color doesn't matter, and that's all good. We ALL want to escape. But when the world you escape too still ignores you then that world isn't worth escaping to. Come on, can you really get mad at a person who wants to see themselves represented more in comics? O r should they turn the other cheek and act like it doesn't exist. Don't you feel you need to be heard when you're concerns aren't being met? If so then you can understand where i'm coming from. If not, then you really do think you live in the world of fantasy.

Just because someone doesn't care what color a superhero is doesn't mean that diversity is not needed. We need more women writers and creators, more gay and lesbian writers and creators etc. Diversity is vital if we wanna get through the 21st century without killing each other.

I think Hudlin built the current BP arc on superficial race issues without tactfully approaching issues and engaging readers. That's why he sucks. Like I said, I want to be able to take my kids to a movie or buy an action figure of color, without leaving frustrated . My kid loves action figures and has many that are white. I love it because he loves superheroes but it bothers me thta 2 out of his 30 are black and the rest white. If it was the other way around, I could totally see a parent getting frustrated because all they're kids action figures were black and only 1 or 2 was white.  Say what you will but People act totally different when the tables are turned. If you're Native American and you don't see yourself represented then maybe you should be a voice in getting more native american heroes to shine.

Superheroes of today are modern mythological symbols. We look to these heroes as role models and as models of morality. What does it tell the kids of color who see all the characters/symbols being depicted as something they're not. Major mindfuck and the media just fuels it.
You may not want to face it but the major players= Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Hulk, Iron Man, Captain America are all white males.
And fanboys still think that's all good and we have diversity. Spare me the bullshit...

main point= the superhero industry needs balance."

I agree with you on some points: Hudlin is corny and did fuck up BP..and he does try to act like BP is without faults and black people are superior to everyone. That shit is annoying and shows no creativity or vision

As far as you educating me, you're telling me shit I already know. Go on google? are you kidding? I research all black heroes. Take a look at my gallery and I'm sure you'll see some heroes you've never fuckin seen. Take out your willie lynch chip.

It seems like you gotta complex. Like you are actually comfortable with the state of black heroes in the idustry.
"Black people aren't daring enough to want to be superheroes? and we look ridiculous in these costumes?"
You seem like you got issues with being pro black.  Seems like you're the one who needs a little education .
"We'll never equal to the amount of white heroes?" You need to unbrainwash yourself and analyze your conditioning.
 "A black character isn't going to look right in some tights." That's just retarded. You need to unlearn everything you've learned.

I've been reading comics for a long time. Seen alot of stupid costumes and alot of fucked up attitudes. But you're statements make me realize that you've got alot to learn when it comes to the struggle and how black people've been affected by this nation and the media.

And you're statement that white men can't create believable black characters is bullshit. Stan Lee and Jack Kirby created Black Panther. The first modern black superhero, so your argument is weak right there. White men created Storm. White men created Luke Cage. White men created Falcon. White men created War Machine. Blade.  And if you've been readin comics you'd know that Jason Aaron, a white guy, just wrote the secret invasion tie in for Black Panther.

get your head checked

"The greatness of America. We can all disagree
I think they're should be more prominent native american, asian, black characters etc. I think it should reflect the readers. I don't think Storm should be the premier female, because she's black. I think it's because she's a true leader and she's earned it.

Race is a big issue in the world. It's at the core of the current presidential race.  Believe it or not, it's also needs to be dealt with in comics because they're are alot of readers who'd like to see mainstream characters of ethnicity. Why ignore it like it doesn't exist? Because it makes people uncomfortable. Readers want to escape into a universe (Marvel) where color doesn't matter, and that's all good. We ALL want to escape. But when the world you escape too still ignores you then that world isn't worth escaping to. Come on, can you really get mad at a person who wants to see themselves represented more in comics? O r should they turn the other cheek and act like it doesn't exist. Don't you feel you need to be heard when you're concerns aren't being met? If so then you can understand where i'm coming from. If not, then you really do think you live in the world of fantasy.

Just because someone doesn't care what color a superhero is doesn't mean that diversity is not needed. We need more women writers and creators, more gay and lesbian writers and creators etc. Diversity is vital if we wanna get through the 21st century without killing each other.

I think Hudlin built the current BP arc on superficial race issues without tactfully approaching issues and engaging readers. That's why he sucks. Like I said, I want to be able to take my kids to a movie or buy an action figure of color, without leaving frustrated . My kid loves action figures and has many that are white. I love it because he loves superheroes but it bothers me thta 2 out of his 30 are black and the rest white. If it was the other way around, I could totally see a parent getting frustrated because all they're kids action figures were black and only 1 or 2 was white.  Say what you will but People act totally different when the tables are turned. If you're Native American and you don't see yourself represented then maybe you should be a voice in getting more native american heroes to shine.

Superheroes of today are modern mythological symbols. We look to these heroes as role models and as models of morality. What does it tell the kids of color who see all the characters/symbols being depicted as something they're not. Major mindfuck and the media just fuels it.
You may not want to face it but the major players= Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Hulk, Iron Man, Captain America are all white males.
And fanboys still think that's all good and we have diversity. Spare me the bullshit...

main point= the superhero industry needs balance."

"Swordz81 said:

"The greatness of America. We can all disagree
I think they're should be more prominent native american, asian, black characters etc. I think it should reflect the readers. I don't think Storm should be the premier female, because she's black. I think it's because she's a true leader and she's earned it.

Race is a big issue in the world. It's at the core of the current presidential race.  Believe it or not, it's also needs to be dealt with in comics because they're are alot of readers who'd like to see mainstream characters of ethnicity. Why ignore it like it doesn't exist? Because it makes people uncomfortable. Readers want to escape into a universe (Marvel) where color doesn't matter, and that's all good. We ALL want to escape. But when the world you escape too still ignores you then that world isn't worth escaping to. Come on, can you really get mad at a person who wants to see themselves represented more in comics? O r should they turn the other cheek and act like it doesn't exist. Don't you feel you need to be heard when you're concerns aren't being met? If so then you can understand where i'm coming from. If not, then you really do think you live in the world of fantasy.

Just because someone doesn't care what color a superhero is doesn't mean that diversity is not needed. We need more women writers and creators, more gay and lesbian writers and creators etc. Diversity is vital if we wanna get through the 21st century without killing each other.

I think Hudlin built the current BP arc on superficial race issues without tactfully approaching issues and engaging readers. That's why he sucks. Like I said, I want to be able to take my kids to a movie or buy an action figure of color, without leaving frustrated . My kid loves action figures and has many that are white. I love it because he loves superheroes but it bothers me thta 2 out of his 30 are black and the rest white. If it was the other way around, I could totally see a parent getting frustrated because all they're kids action figures were black and only 1 or 2 was white.  Say what you will but People act totally different when the tables are turned. If you're Native American and you don't see yourself represented then maybe you should be a voice in getting more native american heroes to shine.

Superheroes of today are modern mythological symbols. We look to these heroes as role models and as models of morality. What does it tell the kids of color who see all the characters/symbols being depicted as something they're not. Major mindfuck and the media just fuels it.
You may not want to face it but the major players= Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Hulk, Iron Man, Captain America are all white males.
And fanboys still think that's all good and we have diversity. Spare me the bullshit...

main point= the superhero industry needs balance."

You make some strong points. Those super heroes listed above are written for the majority of comic book buyers though. I would be pissed if all of a sudden, they changed Wolverine who is one of my favorite characters, to a Native American. I would feel like they just changed it to be politically correct and to appease the hyper sensitive people of today. Frankly to me it just doesn't matter very much. My daughter has lots of dolls, most of them are white. That doesn't mean she has less of a sense of who she is or less knowledge of her heritage. That is all I really care about. If my baby wants a white doll, I'm not gonna buy her a colored doll because I think she should only play with dolls her color. That is backwards and in my opinion makes me worse than the people that who make super heroes white."

"I agree with you on some points: Hudlin is corny and did fuck up BP..and he does try to act like BP is without faults and black people are superior to everyone. That shit is annoying and shows no creativity or vision

As far as you educating me, you're telling me shit I already know. Go on google? are you kidding? I research all black heroes. Take a look at my gallery and I'm sure you'll see some heroes you've never fuckin seen. Take out your willie lynch chip.

It seems like you gotta complex. Like you are actually comfortable with the state of black heroes in the idustry. "Black people aren't daring enough to want to be superheroes? and we look ridiculous in these costumes?" You seem like you got issues with being pro black. Seems like you're the one who needs a little education . "We'll never equal to the amount of white heroes?" You need to unbrainwash yourself and analyze your conditioning. "A black character isn't going to look right in some tights." You need to unlearn everything you've learned.

I've been reading comics for a long time. Seen alot of stupid costumes and alot of fucked up attitudes. But you're statements make me realize that you've got alot to learn when it comes to the struggle and how black people've been affected by this nation and the media.

And you're statement that white men can't create believable black characters is bullshit. Stan Lee and Jack Kirby created Black Panther. The first modern black superhero, so your argument is weak right there. White men created Storm. White men created Luke Cage. White men created Falcon. White men created War Machine. Blade.  And if you're doing your homework you'd know that Jason Aaron, a white guy, just wrote the secret invasion tie in for Black Panther.

get your head checked"

Look obviously we have differences but I think your blinded. The fact you think that black people wouldn't bother to save their own kind is testament to the fact you don't know you're history. Harriet Tubman, Frederick Douglas, Marcus Garvey, Martin Luther King Jr., Malcolm X , Assata Shakur, and currently BARACK OBAMA all championed the fight for black people and minorities  freedom. You don't think they'd be superheroes if they were in the respective universes?(MARVEL/DC)

Not to mention the fact that STAN LEE said it himself he based Professor X and Magneto after Martin Luther King and Malcolm X during the civil rights movement.
It really fuckin saddens me when the exact people that these civil rights heroes DIED for, are blinded by media and their own fears and ignorance. I MEAN WHAT IS YOUR DEFINITION OF A HERO? Someone who looks good in tights? Spare me the bullshit. Keep it to yourself.

To think that YOU think that black people don't have the courage to be heroes or to stand for what's right, but you applaud White people or think that they have the convictions to be heroes are the same people who tormented and enslaved your own people to this day. That's the truth

Maybe I just don't care because where I grew up, racism just wasn't as rampant as some people make it seem to be. I am, as I said before a Native American, my adopted brother is Black and gay, and my parents were an interracial couple. I didn't even see racism first hand until we moved to Utah. Lol.

You were blessed and fortunate not to experience it, but America is known the world over for being a cauldron of racist mentality. To think that racism isn't rampant is a delusion.

Again, I see your point. But I really just think it is a hyper sensitivity problem a lot in America. I don't earn less than a white man at my job. In fact, I deal more with reverse racism than actual racism in todays world. White people are afraid to say red skin or scalping jokes around me and I just really don't care. My baby's mama is mexican and she makes more money than the previous white lady did in her position. Now she is still earning less because she is a woman, so as far as women's rights go...

I also noticed that it was said that the presidential election is a race issue. I don't know if you are aware of this but Obama was ahead in the race. I think it is only a race issue for the people that make it a race issue. A Black man is ahead of a White man in the election, is that racist? You will find racism in just about any country you go to by the way. Have you been to Mexico? White boys aren't very popular there. 

I don't like BP but I don't like BP as Storm's husband.

Storm and Wolverine forever!!!

I don't like BP but I don't like BP as Storm's husband.

Storm and Wolverine forever!!!

"Look obviously we have differences but I think your blinded. The fact you think that black people wouldn't bother to save their own kind is testament to the fact you don't know you're history. Harriet Tubman, Frederick Douglas, Marcus Garvey, Martin Luther King Jr., Malcolm X , Assata Shakur, and currently BARACK OBAMA all championed the fight for black people and minorities  freedom. You don't think they'd be superheroes if they were in the respective universes?(MARVEL/DC)

Not to mention the fact that STAN LEE said it himself he based Professor X and Magneto after Martin Luther King and Malcolm X during the civil rights movement.
It really fuckin saddens me when the exact people that these civil rights heroes DIED for, are blinded by media and their own fears and ignorance. I MEAN WHAT IS YOUR DEFINITION OF A HERO? Someone who looks good in tights? Spare me the bullshit. Keep it to yourself.

To think that YOU think that black people don't have the courage to be heroes or to stand for what's right, but you applaud White people or think that they have the convictions to be heroes are the same people who tormented and enslaved your own people to this day. That's the truth"

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I would be ok with the jokes because I can laugh at race jokes about other races. It would be hypocrisy otherwise. Are you gonna tell me that when a Black comedian makes a race joke about a White man, you don't laugh? If a White man can't make a race joke, neither should anyone else. Race jokes are very popular with comedians. We still laugh, they still use them.

"I would be ok with the jokes because I can laugh at race jokes about other races. It would be hypocrisy otherwise. Are you gonna tell me that when a Black comedian makes a race joke about a White man, you don't laugh? If a White man can't make a race joke, neither should anyone else. Race jokes are very popular with comedians. We still laugh, they still use them."

I find it weird how someone is basically being called a sell out for excepting the fact that an industry such as comics...the writers and creators actually bother to make their product appeal to their readers (almost all of which happen to be white) what is this world coming to when companies refuse to make a balanced number of characters of different races despite the lack of readers of those races...I mean,damn I thought Microsoft was bad when the made all those games geared toward males in their mid 20's..they should be trying to please everyone...not just that large chunk of people who actually give a damn about their product.....

"I find it weird how someone is basically being called a sell out for excepting the fact that an industry such as comics...the writers and creators actually bother to make their product appeal to their readers (almost all of which happen to be white) what is this world coming to when companies refuse to make a balanced number of characters of different races despite the lack of readers of those races...I mean,damn I thought Microsoft was bad when the made all those games geared toward males in their mid 20's..they should be trying to please everyone...not just that large chunk of people who actually give a damn about their product.....

rollseyes

"

sovereign= I just think you're perspective is a little skewed. It's a fact that white men created these characters in the Marvel Universe. I respect Jack Kirby for creating Black Panther and putting his heart and soul into the BP series of the 70's when he didn't have to. He made T'Challa a top notch hero regardless of Race. It's a fact that you don't have to be of a certain race, to make poignant and creative characters, you just have to SEE it from their perspective. Most writers aren't incapable of doing this, they just CHOOSE not to. I don't think you're a disgrace, I just think many of your viewpoints are token. plain and simple

President Stark= you're sarcasm mirrors Tony Stark alot, but I think you're viewpoint is as jaded as his is. I believe the point of comics is to innovate, push boundaries and to break down barriers. Maybe the major comic companies SHOULD try to gain readers in other cultures and lifestyles. To be something more than a fanboys club. On top of that, if you try to market your product to different people, example= the hip hop community. That's just more money to be made. Roll your eyes if you must, but don't doesn't stop the fact that these companies should take a deeper look into why they do what they do. And how big they want their product to be. Do you really think the Dark Knight, Iron Man and the Hulk made money just off of fanboys? Please. If you don't know, the black community in particular has always loved comics. Many don't buy because WE ARE LARGELY IGNORED.

Erik= everything might be jokes and games and LOL to you, but when true racism looks you dead in the face one day, you'll lose the smirk and get a dose of reality. Minorities including black people, native americans, hispanics are at the bottom of the totum pole. No pun intended

Swordz81 said:

"dude, WHY would it be okay for white people to say redskin or scalping jokes?? they should be ashamed of even thinking those slurs. They should respect your heritage and be aware of the  trials and tribulations your people have had to go thru.
Your argument seems like a cop out. It's not about who makes more or how much money your wife makes. It's about teaching yourself and your kids a regard for their heritage. Your apathy towards being called those names, "not really caring" will prove detrimental to you in the future if you don't wipe away this carelessness. What about your kids? are you gonna teach them to turn the other cheek as well? what about our next generation?

At the core of the presidential race is the issue of race. It's not the only factor but a main one which has cause lots of controversy. Don't feed into the lies that the media feeds us. Racism isn't real or the world's gotten over racism. It still exists. If you've never experienced racism, your fortunate, but with the diversity of your family you will run into it. You gotta break outta that bubble"

To that I say:

erik said:

"I would be ok with the jokes because I can laugh at race jokes about other races. It would be hypocrisy otherwise. Are you gonna tell me that when a Black comedian makes a race joke about a White man, you don't laugh? If a White man can't make a race joke, neither should anyone else. Race jokes are very popular with comedians. We still laugh, they still use them."

"I find it weird how someone is basically being called a sell out for excepting the fact that an industry such as comics...the writers and creators actually bother to make their product appeal to their readers (almost all of which happen to be white) what is this world coming to when companies refuse to make a balanced number of characters of different races despite the lack of readers of those races...I mean,damn I thought Microsoft was bad when the made all those games geared toward males in their mid 20's..they should be trying to please everyone...not just that large chunk of people who actually give a damn about their product.....

rollseyes

"

I never said it doesn't exist. I think that it is not as severe as you would lead me to believe. I think racism is just as bad in America as anywhere else. I said that I didn't experience it growing up. Not that I have never experienced it. It's not a bubble to enjoy the benefits of a completly diverse family. Not at all. In fact, I think it gives me a better perspective than the Joe Blow that was brought up to hate Whitey.

"President Stark said:

"I find it weird how someone is basically being called a sell out for excepting the fact that an industry such as comics...the writers and creators actually bother to make their product appeal to their readers (almost all of which happen to be white) what is this world coming to when companies refuse to make a balanced number of characters of different races despite the lack of readers of those races...I mean,damn I thought Microsoft was bad when the made all those games geared toward males in their mid 20's..they should be trying to please everyone...not just that large chunk of people who actually give a damn about their product.....

rollseyes

"

No Swordz is right...they should have more black superheroes for the f#ck of it.The majority of us don't read comics but Marvel should try to cater us anyway.

rollseyes

"

Why do corporations get so big? because they DO cater to everyone. McDonalds, Microsoft, Best Buy, APPLE.
You guys need to drop your arrogance and open your minds. Not just your wallets

vance astro:
"No Swordz is right...they should have more black superheroes for the f#ck of it.The majority of us don't read comics but Marvel should try to cater us anyway.

"Why do corporations get so big? because they DO cater to everyone. McDonalds, Microsoft, Best Buy, APPLE.
You guys need to drop your arrogance and open your minds. Not just your wallets"

"Why do corporations get so big? because they DO cater to everyone. McDonalds, Microsoft, Best Buy, APPLE.
You guys need to drop your arrogance and open your minds. Not just your wallets"

It's not just black superheroes it's all minorities that should be shown more and portrayed more accurately. Especially when these comic companies pride themselves on bringing a sense of realism to this new era in comics.
People wouldn't pick them up just because they see a black face. They'd pick up the comic because they'd feel like the creators actually could see thru their eyes and portray them accurately. How many white people would pick up comics if 99% of comics were all about black heroes. Keep it real
You guys don't have to agree with me, so enjoy yourself and laugh to yourself. But nothing stays the same, and best believe even comics can change. And they will change one day to reflect the times

vance astro I think you're pissing yourself off because you know what I said is true. Learn your history. Unbrainwash yourself and open your mind. Don't be the token character in the comic of life

"It's not just black superheroes it's all minorities that should be shown more and portrayed more accurately. Especially when these comic companies pride themselves on bringing a sense of realism to this new era in comics.
People wouldn't pick them up just because they see a black face. They'd pick up the comic because they'd feel like the creators actually could see thru their eyes and portray them accurately. How many white people would pick up comics if 99% of comics were all about black heroes. Keep it real
You guys don't have to agree with me, so enjoy yourself and laugh to yourself. But nothing stays the same, and best believe even comics can change. And they will change one day to reflect the times"

"vance astro I think you're pissing yourself off because you know what I said is true. Learn your history. Unbrainwash yourself and open your mind. Don't be the token character in the comic of life"