A Case for Black Mask in Batman 3
Recently, we saw Black Mask appear in the straight-to-dvd film Batman: Under The Red Hood as the current crime boss of Gotham City. As great as it was to see the character in the film, I felt the character lacked in a few areas compared to the comic book version. The film version of Black Mask lacked the intimidation factor that comic version had. He came off as a little too goofy in the film, and I kept questioning why his thugs put up with it, and because of this, he lost that intimidation factor that a crime boss needs in order to retain control over his empire. He also didn't feel as dark or violent as the comic book version, and again, that leads to losing that intimidation factor the character needs. He needs to be smart, in control, and cunning, three pieces of the puzzle that were missing from the animated feature.
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Nolan's Batman films aren't necessarily about super-heroes fighting super-villains. They about one man's attempts to return a city to its glory days when the people ruled the streets and not organized crime. While there may be a main villain within each film, Batman is simply trying to dismantle pieces of crime families. At the end of the second film, Batman is no longer seen as a hero by the authorities in Gotham, he is now the enemy. Batman took the blame for all the crimes committed by Harvey Dent, in order to save his image and name, shortly before his death. This is where Batman is for the third film, or at least, where he should be. He's being chased by Gotham authorities and most likely, trying to fight crime at the same time. Without all of his crime-fighting efforts on actual crime-fighting, a new crime boss could easily take the reigns and rise to power: Cue Black Mask. He's ruthless, twisted, but intelligent, and he's the perfect person to lead Gotham into a new era, an era without the Bat on crime's back.
This brings us back to Tom Hardy, an actor I truly believe could pull off the Black Mask if that was the part he was playing. User Bruce_Vain sent me a few links to a film that Tom Hardy starred in, and from watching this clip, I immediately knew, if he had the chance, he could play the part. He is incredibly intense in these scenes, angry, and more intimidating than any actor I can think of in recent years. For me, he has all the tools to make Black Mask pop on screen and become one of the most memorable villains on screen. Sure, a lot of people would rather see Riddler, Killer Croc, or one of the other countless Batman rogues take center stage in this film, but many of them can easily come off as hokey on the big screen, and a little too far-fetched. Needless to say, whatever character Tom Hardy is going to play in this film, I'm sure it's going to be amazing. The Nolans and Goyer have crafted two amazing films, and I am sure this third film will be a dynamite end to their run. We can only sit back and wait for now.
~Mat "Inferiorego" Elfring is a comedian, teacher, comic book writer, and comic store employee.
I like Black Mask a lot...but I just don't think he could be done right in a PG-13 movie. I mean what he's most known for is torture...that and his origin is pretty complex, maybe if they'd started it in the last movie, but idk now...If he's in it I'm sure they'll do him well, but I think it'd be better to go with Riddler...
" I like Black Mask a lot...but I just don't think he could be done right in a PG-13 movie. I mean what he's most known for is torture...that and his origin is pretty complex, maybe if they'd started it in the last movie, but idk now...If he's in it I'm sure they'll do him well, but I think it'd be better to go with Riddler... "@N7_Normandy said:
" this would be great. Like others have stated, however, a pg-13 rating will prove a tough barrier in creating a good black mask "Tonewise: Dark Knight could have easily been rated R.... you don't necessarily have to be violent and gory to get the point across
i'm not so sure about this.
on screen, black mask is going to look a lot like red skull and it might confuse non-comic fans (i know there is a color difference but both of them look like skulls). they will think that either marvel is copying dc or the other way around, depending on the release dates for cap and batman 3. if average people start thinking that these ideas and visuals are constantly being reused by different companies, they'll feel shafted and stop going to see comic movies.
" @Sydpart2 said:Exactly." I like Black Mask a lot...but I just don't think he could be done right in a PG-13 movie. I mean what he's most known for is torture...that and his origin is pretty complex, maybe if they'd started it in the last movie, but idk now...If he's in it I'm sure they'll do him well, but I think it'd be better to go with Riddler... "@N7_Normandy said:" this would be great. Like others have stated, however, a pg-13 rating will prove a tough barrier in creating a good black mask "Tonewise: Dark Knight could have easily been rated R.... you don't necessarily have to be violent and gory to get the point across "
" Yeah I feel the same way about Black Mask in Batman 3. I also think if Nolan is going to dip in the Inception pool he should grab JGL and have him cast as The Riddler... Black Mask and The Riddler would be awesome. "::internet high five::
JGL is so awesome.
" I would like to see them do Deadshot. Black Mask would be cool as well, but I think it would be cooler to get a character that few people know so Nolan can truly make the film his own. "Maybe Gotham City officials will hire Deadshot to take Batman down.
Batman said at the end of the movie: "You'll hunt me. Set the dogs after me because that is what needs to happen."
awesome i could see that in Nolan's world of the Dark Knight and would seem to just kinda slide right into place as far as the storyline the only fear is that most of the ppl who dont know Batman or think that they know Batman dont really know The Black Mask and will be like "WTF?!?!?" definitely a good choice though
" While Wayne is not being Batman because of the current climate, Black Mask and Penguin begin a bloody war for rule over the Gotham criminal underworld. I think something along those lines could work wonderfully. "Well, Nolan stated that the Penguin wouldn't fit well into his "realistic" world.
To quote Heath Ledger as the Joker, "This town deserves a better class of criminal, and I'm gonna give it to them." With most of the crimelords a bit disorganized due to the Joker, someone needs to reorganize everything to make it seem brand new again.
Plus, should CATWOMAN make an appearance, both her and BLACK MASK would make interesting encounters.
" @Pizawle said:That is nonsense and it kind of shows that Nolan is getting a little too full of his "brilliant" vision." While Wayne is not being Batman because of the current climate, Black Mask and Penguin begin a bloody war for rule over the Gotham criminal underworld. I think something along those lines could work wonderfully. "Well, Nolan stated that the Penguin wouldn't fit well into his "realistic" world. "
There is nothing unrealistic about Penguin and within the film he does not need to be portrayed to the extremes of the comic.
It actually could work. keep it low key but gritty and intense as hell. They seem to be keeping the formula simple...as it has worked already in the first 2. A mastermind with a bigboy..that could work. Black Mask with his Killer Croc to do the dirty work.
I've wanted Black Mask in the third installment since Dark Knight, along side The Riddler as a police consultant, so Bats would be stuck in a hard place stopping Black Mask and on the run from the GCPD with the help of Nigma.
On another note, what issues are those pictures taken from?
What's funny is originally Black Mask was gonna be the main villian in Batman Begins. But because he wasn't really a well known villian yet. They went with Ra's and Scarecrow. Which of course I'm happy that they did. Because we got to see Liam do a fantastic job as Ra's al Ghul, and Ra's is one of my favorite Bat-Villians. So Black Mask is a good possibility if he was in the original script.
And I agree with you Mat. I felt Black Mask's portrayal in the Red Hood wasn't intimidating enough, he seemed a bit hokey to me. His design wasn't that great either. He looked like an old school guido pimp to me and the voice acting was blah. I felt they could've gotten someone better. So for me and for you as well. Tom Hardy would just be THE guy to do Black Mask justice. IF that's what's gonna happen - hopefully.
And IF Killer Croc is gonna be in this (which I kind of hope so cause I want to see Bats go up against a real heavy) I think it would be smart to have him be like Black Mask's bodyguard. Though I don't want him to look like a mutant croc like in the Hush storyline. The way he was done in Azzarello & Bermejo's Joker book is perfect for Nolan's world. Basically a guy with a reptillian skin disease ,which does exist with people who have this condition, and who's a cannibal with filed sharp teeth.
As far as the people who think Black Mask wouldn't be done right because of the PG-13 rating - I say BS on that. Because Joker did some crap that I haven't seen done in a live movie except in the comics we read. Just cause you didn't SEE Gamble getting cut or slashed or seeing Lau on fire on top of that pile of money or the cop being blasted away by Joker with the shotgun. You did KNOW he did it. The point was made of what he did. If it was shown you would've had an R rating. Like Mat said you don't HAVE to be gory to get your point across. If it's implied you can get away with it. So with Black Mask he can be done right just like Joker was. Same goes for Two-Face when he filled that cop with lead and put a slug in that driver's head. You didn't see it but you know that's what happened.
ever since the end of the last film I have had my fingers crossed for Black Mask..he is an amazing character and he deserves public recognition..he is perfect for Nolanverse and fits perfectly where the story is..he is epic..
I say you do him another character who isn't really well known and Catwoman for public recognition..do Ragdoll..he amuses me..
I want to see Black Mask, always have since Batman Begins. I keep reading on another site that Tom Hardy could be playing Killer Croc. I say no to Croc, if Penguin is too far fetch for Nolan then Croc is more so. But if anyone has even a chance of pulling this off its the Nolan brothers. Wouldn't mind seeing Catwoman, someone needs to redeem the character after the travesty of Halle "Hit & Run" Berry did to her. They could make her sisters husband a more important figure and Black Mask kidnaps Catwoman's sister and husband like he did in the comic, torturing them and then she kills him. That was a good storyline.
"Anymore than two major screen time villians enters Spiderman 3 major flop territory. "
I disagree. Venom was essentially rushed into the script and against the liking of the director. End result: Well, you saw the movie ;)
Two villains can be done, but in the case of Lizard, there simply isn't a need.
Nolan is going to let you guys down and not use Black Mask, at least not in a star role. The more you speculate the unlikelier the chances. You think Nolan is going to bow down to you guys & let you all be right? Hahaha. No way. Plus Black Mask (outside of his cult of fans) isn't very likable like Joker, Two-Face, Scarecrow, etc. He's suited for a Rated R movie because the character is pure evil. Only a true sadist could relate to him, & children shouldn't be exposed to such a character. Also, how silly would it look with a guy talking with a mask stuck on his face? His mouth wouldn't be able to move much, it'd be muffled. How would he even eat? He's also a little too much like the Joker going around with an expendable masked gang. Do we need 2 movies in a row where henchmen are being killed by their boss?
" @jakob187 said:Now that some time has passed since the Tom Hardy announcement, I should put it out there that a rumor has Hardy pegged as the cop-everyone-loves-to-hate, Harvey Bullock." I would like to see them do Deadshot. Black Mask would be cool as well, but I think it would be cooler to get a character that few people know so Nolan can truly make the film his own. "Maybe Gotham City officials will hire Deadshot to take Batman down. Batman said at the end of the movie: "You'll hunt me. Set the dogs after me because that is what needs to happen." "
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