Unscripted: Birds Of Prey #1

#1 Posted by sharky64 (72 posts) - - Show Bio

probably will check out
#2 Edited by Mbecks14 (2068 posts) - - Show Bio

I love Oracle! 
 
but i just don't like Hawk and Dove :(

#3 Posted by Jordanstine (907 posts) - - Show Bio

Why is there a rooster in a nest full of chicken hens?

 

He looks so out of place, it's like he's about to lay an egg.

#4 Posted by ElJuano (98 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd pick it up solely because Gail Simone is writing this. She almost never disappoints. It should be good as it picks up, I hope it doesn't get cancelled.

#5 Posted by Jordanstine (907 posts) - - Show Bio

P.S. 
Whenever I hear about "Hawk & Dove" back when Dove was a dude, they always reminded me of SNL's Ambigiously Gay Duo
 
   
#6 Posted by sora_thekey (8180 posts) - - Show Bio

I will totally check this out... I used the CV Birds of Prey page to get up to date on the team and the series a while back... and when I was so into these characters i went to the comic book store and looked for the current issue and the current issue was the LAST issue of the series, which was a let down for me... 
So now that #1 came out I am totally excited for it and I totally want to read this!

#7 Edited by MissPower (36 posts) - - Show Bio

I really loved this issue!!! :D ,but I hope that a certain character , that appears at the end of the issue, doesn't turn out to be Cassandra Cain  or Lady Shiva !!! D: , and to my opinion on hawk and dove,...I think it will be interesting to see what there gonna do in next issues to come...  
EDIT:  but the real question is ,when is misfit coming back?? I really hate to see that character stay in character limbo! ;D

#8 Posted by FoxxFireArt (3561 posts) - - Show Bio

I still love the irony that Hawk in there as the token male character. Much in the same way super hero teams always used to have a token female character.
Speaking to Hawk being like a time bomb. Isn't that pretty much how people felt about Wolverine and Bishop to an extent? There was always concerned that the two were going to just snap and kill. This new Hawk and Dove team kind of intrigues me. Seeing how it was this Hawk that murdered the previous one. I know he was under the control of the Black Power Ring and didn't have any control over himself. Still, how could you  work with someone so easily knowing it was those hands that took the life of someone close to you? 
 
There is something that doesn't sit well with me along the lines of the design of Lady Blackhawk. It just feels that in a dimly lit room you could easily mix up Black Canary and Lady Blackhawk. Everyone looks rather unique in design, except those two.
 
I'm with Babs on the numbering. If they had just picked up from where they left off. It could of deterred new readers. Isn't that part of the reason for reviving a series? Seeing a #1 more encourages someone who has never read it to pick it up.
 
The Cassandra Cain part is rather perplexing. Why would she go from fighting as a hero for Bruce, but as soon as he's "dead" she turns to fight as a villain???? Oh well.

#9 Posted by The Cyan Lantern (240 posts) - - Show Bio

It's worth picking up to read the first story arc but it might be if-y  later on. Also it would probably take awhile till we really see how Hawk and Dove are a asset to the team.

#10 Posted by Mbecks14 (2068 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jordanstine said:
"
P.S. 
Whenever I hear about "Hawk & Dove" back when Dove was a dude, they always reminded me of SNL's Ambigiously Gay Duo
 
    "
they were brothers
#11 Posted by lostlantern13 (860 posts) - - Show Bio

I had never read a "Birds of Prey" issue before so I appreciated the whole #1 aspect because it was more encouraging to jump in because I had expected to get some sense of this team and their world. I got that, and was treated to some great dialogue and art (never really read a book by Simone or Benes).  
 I was pleasantly surprised and enjoyed it. They offered up some interesting storylines so I'll be back.

#12 Edited by Jean_Luc_LeBeau (84704 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree completely with G-Man about Hawk being a "time bomb." I seriously doubt he'll be an official member for long, if at all. Dove is a character I started focusing on during Blackest Night. Her abilities are pretty cool and I'm glad to see her in BoP. The whole, "Is it Cass or is it Shiva" was one of my favorite parts in the book. For me when Canary made that statement it was all about the overconfident demeanor that Canary associates with the Worlds two greatest martial artists. In her mind she's thinking only those two project such an aura of badassary (lol). She even comments on the "posture" of the White Canary which is what initially sparks the comment in the first place. There really isn't time to think about why Cass would be a villain again. Personally I took it as Gail letting the readers know that whoever this character is, she's a serious threat and she does that be associating her with Cass and Shiva's name. Just by dropping those two names, if White Canary turns out to be someone completely new, she's already been elevated to Shiva and Cass statues. Although I hope its Cass, I doubt it is. But I can think of a couple reasons why, or how, she'd be a villain again. 
 
As usual the art made the comic even though the story seemed to....slow down in places. The ending got me and I cant wait for issue #2.

#13 Posted by Dipic (128 posts) - - Show Bio
#14 Posted by Secret Identity (224 posts) - - Show Bio

This issue started out very strong but didn't really seem to hold together so well towards the end. Identities online seemed a bit of a shoehorn for the importance of oracle. It'll be interesting to have a guy on the team. I 'm not a fan off single sex teams so thats good :) That said hawk and dove are characters i'm not sold on yet so we'll see. 
 
I'm glad its an issue 1 and i really enjoyed the intro with Black Canary and Lady Blackhawk and on those merits i'd give it a 4/5.

#15 Posted by A-Strondinaire (370 posts) - - Show Bio

once again miss babs bashes a favorite character of mine well i never
#16 Posted by ivy's creation (47 posts) - - Show Bio

why does cassandra cane not want to work with dick greyson? i forgot

#17 Edited by johnny_spam (2037 posts) - - Show Bio

  I am not sure how much I agree with relaunching the book with Gail Simone. When lesser known characters become to reliant on a writer I think it hurts them because no other writer will be equal in the fans eyes' or other writers will try that take on the characters and not their own.  
 
On what was said about Cassandra I think she left because she missed Bruce and her decision had nothing to do with Dick Grayson nor did she mention him at all.     

#18 Posted by PrinceIMC (5422 posts) - - Show Bio

Here's hoping Oracle, Huntress and Black Canary can focus Hawk to give him enough action so he stays with the team but not so much that he ends up killing someone. I think its okay to have a guy or two on the birds, specially since his codename is a bird. So Robin or Red Robin could join but not Booster Gold. Heh.

#19 Posted by harleyquinnhawkgirl (336 posts) - - Show Bio

I feel the same way if that character is Cassandra Cain. Making her a villain didn't work out before why would they do it again?
#20 Edited by Gylan Thomas (2727 posts) - - Show Bio
@johnny spam said:

"   I am not sure how much I agree with relaunching the book with Gail Simone. When lesser known characters become to reliant on a writer I think it hurts them because no other writer will be equal in the fans eyes' or other writers will try that take on the characters and not their own.      "

By that logic the DC universe shouldn't rely on Johns so much.  After he's wrote a character we could only ever be disappointed with what ever comes after that.
If a writer does well with certain characters why not let them write them?
Characters will inevitably be written by multiple writers over time. Some will serve them well and some will do badly by them.
I'm a big Batfan and strongly feel that morrisons doin' wrong by him for example.
Can't wait 'till any other writer brings Batman back as a crime fighter and stops the crazy time travel, non linear story telling and twisted continuity. 
Hope DC has Ed Brubaker or some one else who can write crime come on to tidy the mess left when morrison eventually leaves like Marvel had Wheddon repair the X-stuff after morisson. 
Heck, I'd be interested in seein' what Simone would do with Batman.
#21 Posted by johnny_spam (2037 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gylan Thomas said:
" @johnny spam said:
"   I am not sure how much I agree with relaunching the book with Gail Simone. When lesser known characters become to reliant on a writer I think it hurts them because no other writer will be equal in the fans eyes' or other writers will try that take on the characters and not their own.   On what was said about Cassandra I think she left because she missed Bruce and her decision had nothing to do with Dick Grayson nor did she mention him at all.      "
By that logic the DC universe shouldn't rely on Johnsd so mcuh. "
They shouldn't I have some doubts the next writer of Green Lantern will have as much attention as Johns.
#22 Posted by Jean_Luc_LeBeau (84704 posts) - - Show Bio
@ivy's creation said:
" why does cassandra cane not want to work with dick greyson? i forgot "
Dick never accepted her because of her checkered past and she hated him because of how he played Oracle (who was like her adoptive mother in her solo series) also because he treated her like sh!t.  They've even thrown down a couple times and Dick has several appearances in which he's trashing her to Bruce.

 Hands off....Dick

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 @johnny spam said:
"   On what was said about Cassandra I think she left because she missed Bruce and her decision had nothing to do with Dick Grayson nor did she mention him at all.      "
You're right about her never mentioning Dick as a reason for leaving, but I think with their history its implied that there's no way she would stick around and play Batgirl to Dick's Batman.
#23 Posted by johnny_spam (2037 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gambler:  And I think Cass a character who has the vibe of a child sometimes just would miss Bruce a little to much also I don't think Dick was Batman when Stephanie took up the Batgirl mantle.
#24 Posted by No_Name_ (17403 posts) - - Show Bio
@johnny spam said:
" On what was said about Cassandra I think she left because she missed Bruce and her decision had nothing to do with Dick Grayson nor did she mention him at all.      "
If you read Cassie's last Batgirl series (issues 1-6) you would know that she would never work for Dick as Batman.
#25 Edited by Jean_Luc_LeBeau (84704 posts) - - Show Bio
@johnny spam said:

" @Gambler:  And I think Cass a character who has the vibe of a child sometimes just would miss Bruce a little to much also I don't think Dick was Batman when Stephanie took up the Batgirl mantle. "

I agree that early on her mental state was child like, but she grew leaps and bounds before her first series finished. And her appearances since then depict her as having matured. I'm not entirely sure if Dick was officially Batman yet. But Dick was shown as Batman in Steph's first appearance as the new Batgirl. Cass leaving happens in a flashback in the same issue, so its hard to say when exactly it happened in connection with Dick's decision to wear the cowl. However Bruce was gone and everyone knew Dick was up for the role by the time Cass left.
#26 Posted by Rob.H (51 posts) - - Show Bio

I wanted to enjoy this book.  I picked up this issue enjoyed the writing but I just can't stand Benes' art.  Maybe it's something I'll get over in time so I'll be finishing this arc at the very least.

#27 Posted by doordoor123 (3721 posts) - - Show Bio

This was my first Birds of Prey issue and i was kind of lost. I dont really know them as a team. I dont know Lady Blackhawk. Im not too invested in Huntress. I dont know much about Dove. So im a little lost for now. Ill be reading this because it seems interesting but im really lost.

#28 Posted by charlieboy (7167 posts) - - Show Bio

i love this team. i am totally excited hawk and dove are going to be joining. they are great characters and need to see the light of day. i was excited blackest night brought them back. love oracle black canary and huntress. if that does turn out to be cassandra i will be fine with it. i think a new identity is what she needs. she never really became batgirl to me. she was cool tho. i think i am one of the few people who actually likes stephanie brown as batgirl.
#29 Posted by charlieboy (7167 posts) - - Show Bio

i love this team. i am totally excited hawk and dove are going to be joining. they are great characters and need to see the light of day. i was excited blackest night brought them back. love oracle black canary and huntress. if that does turn out to be cassandra i will be fine with it. i think a new identity is what she needs. she never really became batgirl to me. she was cool tho. i think i am one of the few people who actually likes stephanie brown as batgirl.
#30 Posted by wingster (138 posts) - - Show Bio
@Babs:  Agreed. Cassie worked with Bruce Wayne, so why stick around for a second rate "Batman". Makes me wonder when Bruce returns, will Cassie want her Batgirl mantle back? I smell a throwdown!
#31 Posted by Duo_forbidden (1161 posts) - - Show Bio

This was day one pick up for me. I loved the first vol of Birds of Prey and the first issue of the second vol two was interesting to read. When I first saw that Birds of Prey was coming back, and they had the two darken characters on the cover, I thought one of them might possibly be Red Robin just because he was coming back to Gotham. It'll be interesting how Hawk and Dove interact with the Birds of Prey group especially for Hawk.
 
I hope White Canary is not Cassandra Cain. While I do want her to come back in the future, I don't want her to be a villain again. They already screwed that up with her already. Granted, I don't mine Stephanie brown being the new batgirl, but Cassandra made Batgirl 10 times better for me just like when Barbara was Batgirl.

#32 Posted by GraveSp (318 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the Cassandra Cain comment was just a statement about how she fought I think it is going to be someone else though

#33 Posted by Bergquist (695 posts) - - Show Bio

im droping all(most) of marvel Dc is kicking ass right now
#34 Posted by mattydeNero (526 posts) - - Show Bio

I loved the moment with Barbara, Dinah, and Huntress up top, it was cool.  I almost wish it were them and them only for this particular series.  Just to bring it back to basics.  But I trust Ms. Simone.  Thusfar it's not too many characters, and that's the only thing I worry about with the future of this title.  Hawk's going to be punching a lot of faces.

#35 Posted by FatBoiFreshh (43 posts) - - Show Bio

why dont you like stupid dc comics about dry girl characters ?????? you waste so many unscripteds on fluff babs reads next comic do buffy the vampire slayer lmao  

#36 Posted by Jean_Luc_LeBeau (84704 posts) - - Show Bio
@GraveSp said:
" I think the Cassandra Cain comment was just a statement about how she fought I think it is going to be someone else though "
Agreed. It basically lets us know that White Canary is legit (in terms of hand to hand combat).
 
@FatBoiFreshh said:
" why dont you like stupid dc comics about dry girl characters ?????? you waste so many unscripteds on fluff babs reads next comic do buffy the vampire slayer lmao   "

#37 Edited by johnny_spam (2037 posts) - - Show Bio
@Babs:  Yeah but that didn't play a part in her giving up the mantle of Batgirl. 
 
 
@Gambler: @Gambler said:
" @johnny spam said:

" @Gambler:  And I think Cass a character who has the vibe of a child sometimes just would miss Bruce a little to much also I don't think Dick was Batman when Stephanie took up the Batgirl mantle. "

I agree that early on her mental state was child like, but she grew leaps and bounds before her first series finished. And her appearances since then depict her as having matured. I'm not entirely sure if Dick was officially Batman yet. But Dick was shown as Batman in Steph's first appearance as the new Batgirl. Cass leaving happens in a flashback in the same issue, so its hard to say when exactly it happened in connection with Dick's decision to wear the cowl. However Bruce was gone and everyone knew Dick was up for the role by the time Cass left. "
In a flashback she was still Batgirl so at that period Dick may not have been Batman yet so she wouldn't know anything about it. In the Battle for the Cowl period Cass was still Batgirl and Dick was still Nightwing.
#38 Edited by Jean_Luc_LeBeau (84704 posts) - - Show Bio
@johnny spam said:

" In a flashback she was still Batgirl so at that period Dick may not have been Batman yet so she wouldn't know anything about it. In the Battle for the Cowl period Cass was still Batgirl and Dick was still Nightwing. "

Actually Dick becomes Batman in the final issue of Battle for the Cowl and Cass is still Batgirl, so I'm pretty sure she knew what was up. But for the sake of argument lets just say Dick wasn't Batman before she quit. Anyone and everyone associated with the Bat-Family knew, or would know, that Dick was going to replace Bruce. Batgirl #1 (Steph Brown) we see Dick as Batman in the first couple of panels, its also the issue in which the flashback shows Cass quitting. In the dialog box that scene takes place 3 weeks before the opening scene of the issue. It could be argued that the flashback takes place before the ending of Battle for the Cowl. Again, its never stated that Dick had anything to do with her decision to leave, that I agree with you on. However, given their history and general hatred for one another, I think its just automatically assumed that with Bruce gone, Cass would never side with Dick regardless of what costume he was wearing.
#39 Posted by Joe Venom (1275 posts) - - Show Bio

It's great to see Zinda back in action she a real Ride or Die BoP, now Hawk on the other hand I don't really care for him that much, but I interested on seeing what Simone will do with his character. I also hope that Misfit will pop u soon if not to join the team than at least to explain what she has been up to.

#40 Posted by harleyquinn12 (1767 posts) - - Show Bio

This issue was sooo good! If I could have three wishes for this series, it would be that The White Canary is Cassie(though i think it's Shiva), Misfit comes back, and Stephanie  joins the Birds of Prey as an Indigo lantern!

#41 Posted by Aquamariner (203 posts) - - Show Bio

I loved it!!! Gail promised and she deliverd!!! BIG TIME! Never read the original series but I'm totally sold on this one... Even though i HATE Hawk and Dove!!! 
 
Hope she can make them more likeable... this issue was a good start at that!

#42 Posted by Aquamariner (203 posts) - - Show Bio
@bergquist said:
" im droping all(most) of marvel Dc is kicking ass right now "
Bless you, my son. You have seen the light!!! =)
#43 Edited by Calvin (3479 posts) - - Show Bio

I just think that, that lady black hawk always look so nice!! 


Lady Blackhawk
#44 Posted by Jake Fury (18979 posts) - - Show Bio

Never read this series before and decided to give it a read.  
Well worth the $2.99!
#45 Posted by Bamafanga (2 posts) - - Show Bio

I bought it, I like it and I love Gail Simone. So I'm sure she'll do a great job with her run at the helm.

#46 Posted by The Island (82 posts) - - Show Bio

 Yes, and I should become more of a feminized western man and read this cr*p.

#47 Posted by Jean_Luc_LeBeau (84704 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Island said:

"  Yes, and I should become more of a feminized western man and read this cr*p. "


#48 Posted by daredevil21134 (12161 posts) - - Show Bio

go huntress

#49 Posted by BringBackPowerPack (64 posts) - - Show Bio

Is it just me, or is the sound backwards on this video (he's on the right, but I hear him on the left, etc)?

#50 Posted by Kairan1979 (16881 posts) - - Show Bio

I was happy when I learned about the new volume of Birds of Prey.

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