Is Pre-Retcon Beyonder more powerful than The One Above All?

#1 Edited by firewrkninja (362 posts) - - Show Bio

on TOAA's page it says that he is the most powerful being in the marvel multiverse.
on Beyonder's page it says he is over a million times more powerful than the entire multiverse.
is TOAA's name not true? should he be called The One Above All Except for Beyonder? or maybe The One Above Almost All?

#2 Posted by Primmaster64 (21138 posts) - - Show Bio

Nope...TOAA is the writer.

#3 Posted by ___Living_Tribunal_22__ (388 posts) - - Show Bio


 

Nope...TOAA is the writer. 

 

We are talking about the character, not Stan Lee.

#4 Posted by RedheadedAtrocitus (6885 posts) - - Show Bio

The current Beyonder is way weakened and clearly TOAA is most definitely The One Above All. Now Pre-Retcon Beyonder...its tough to say.  It would be a toss-up I say, because frankly I have come to conclude that the three most powerful beings ever made in comics are the PRB, TOAA, and the DC Multiverse's Overmonitor/Monitor-Prime. 

#5 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio
#6 Posted by Primmaster64 (21138 posts) - - Show Bio
@InnerVenom123 said:
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#7 Posted by SC (12709 posts) - - Show Bio
@___Living_Tribunal_22__ said:


 

Nope...TOAA is the writer. 

 

We are talking about the character, not Stan Lee.

 
The character is a meta character. That means many will reference either Stan or Jack as this (a part of this) character, this character also representing the will of the writers in charge. (at their discretion) 
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#8 Posted by Enemybird (3138 posts) - - Show Bio

I like the idea that the TOAA is the creator of the comics and he controls everything that happens within the comics.He in essence controls the "free will" of all characters including beyonder. You could argue that beyonder displayed equals feats power. But the reason he has this power in the first place it because of TOAA. If beyonder created his own comics then it would be a different story XD

#9 Posted by moywar700 (2775 posts) - - Show Bio

tell me when beyonder punches the comic writers in the face

#10 Posted by majestic99 (8638 posts) - - Show Bio

NO

#11 Posted by Herokiller12344 (990 posts) - - Show Bio

The dudes name is The One ABOVE ALL, Even one from Beyond counts as All.

#12 Posted by majestic99 (8638 posts) - - Show Bio

@Primmaster64 said:

Nope...TOAA is the writer.
#13 Posted by the_mighty_Beyonder (701 posts) - - Show Bio

@firewrkninja said:

on TOAA's page it says that he is the most powerful being in the marvel multiverse.
on Beyonder's page it says he is over a million times more powerful than the entire multiverse. is TOAA's name not true? should he be called The One Above All Except for Beyonder? or maybe The One Above Almost All?

TOAA's name means the being who's above everything else. that's a thing everybody know. but if we apply the same logic, what is the meaning of Beyonder? the Beyonder means the being beyond everything else. so we can't say TOAA is stronger than Beyonder because of his name. before i present my idea, let's clarify few things :

Firstly, PR Beyonder was never defeated in combat, no one can defeat him. what happened in the last issue of Secret Wars 2 is not a defeat.

2nd : Living Tribunal isn't stronger than PR Beyonder who say that is either a delusive or an ignorant. PR Beyonder is stronger than all Marvel universe and its beings combined by far.

3rd. PR Beyonder was stated clearly to be omnipotent in almost every issue of Secret Wars 1 & 2, so you can't deny it, and he was controling the existence of all Marvel Universe by merely his imagination, no one in the moderne comics is witt such power except TOAA.

4th. who said that PR Molecule Man was able the stand up to him,is also wrong!! because Beyonder was limiting his powers, and he stated that he didn't want to hurt him, and also Molecule Man stated himself that the infinite difference in power between him and Beyonder is like the infinite difference between Captain America and Molecule Man. can you imagine that Captain America could stand up to Molecule Man?? it would be shamefully ridiculous to say yes.

5th. PR Beyonder was TOAA before TOAA was established, there was no character of TOAA before or at the time of Secret Wars 1 & 2.

6th. Beyonder was TOAA before creation or with more precise words, he was God before genesis, as the writer and ex Head of Marvel HQ Jim shooter said.

7th. according to Stan Lee PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality, the purpose of his original existence was to explain the existence of the other comic companies and their own universal laws and structure with their own supreme beings.

So what is the conclusion, the PR Beyonder is the God of an other reality beyond Marvel Universe, just like DC Universe, Image Universe, Shueisha Universe, Wildstorm Universe. which make him pretty likely as omnipotent as TOAA, Presence, and Man of Miracles.

so The One Above All is above all in Marvel Universe, but Beyonder is not part of Marvel Universe so the rule is not applied here, it's like saying The One Above All is above everything meaning above Presence, and above Man of Miracles, which it makes no sense, because Presence and Man of Miracles are not part of Marvel Universe, the rule is not applied.

#14 Posted by GhettoSwag (151 posts) - - Show Bio

TOAA IS ABOVE ALL

#15 Edited by muhabba (293 posts) - - Show Bio

When did they ret-con The Beyonder?

#16 Posted by DH69 (4258 posts) - - Show Bio

Hahahahaha no the beyonders current power level is pathetic compaired to his original abilities, but even on his best day he's still an amoeba compared to TOAA

#17 Edited by Herokiller12344 (990 posts) - - Show Bio

There are way too many characters that carry the title and power of God up high. The Beyonder is the perfect example of overdoing it, I get that he needs to be powerful, but being "1000x the entirety of the all the energy in the multiverse" is just...no. That is just too much.

#18 Posted by njones5 (234 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_mighty_beyonder: your a beyonder lover toaa owns marvel he could kill them all with a blink of an eye

#19 Posted by FANNYBUSTER (129 posts) - - Show Bio

Obviously, TOAA

#20 Posted by OfficialRikudouSennin (631 posts) - - Show Bio

@firewrkninja said:

on TOAA's page it says that he is the most powerful being in the marvel multiverse.
on Beyonder's page it says he is over a million times more powerful than the entire multiverse. is TOAA's name not true? should he be called The One Above All Except for Beyonder? or maybe The One Above Almost All?

TOAA's name means the being who's above everything else. that's a thing everybody know. but if we apply the same logic, what is the meaning of Beyonder? the Beyonder means the being beyond everything else. so we can't say TOAA is stronger than Beyonder because of his name. before i present my idea, let's clarify few things :

Firstly, PR Beyonder was never defeated in combat, no one can defeat him. what happened in the last issue of Secret Wars 2 is not a defeat.

2nd : Living Tribunal isn't stronger than PR Beyonder who say that is either a delusive or an ignorant. PR Beyonder is stronger than all Marvel universe and its beings combined by far.

3rd. PR Beyonder was stated clearly to be omnipotent in almost every issue of Secret Wars 1 & 2, so you can't deny it, and he was controling the existence of all Marvel Universe by merely his imagination, no one in the moderne comics is witt such power except TOAA.

4th. who said that PR Molecule Man was able the stand up to him,is also wrong!! because Beyonder was limiting his powers, and he stated that he didn't want to hurt him, and also Molecule Man stated himself that the infinite difference in power between him and Beyonder is like the infinite difference between Captain America and Molecule Man. can you imagine that Captain America could stand up to Molecule Man?? it would be shamefully ridiculous to say yes.

5th. PR Beyonder was TOAA before TOAA was established, there was no character of TOAA before or at the time of Secret Wars 1 & 2.

6th. Beyonder was TOAA before creation or with more precise words, he was God before genesis, as the writer and ex Head of Marvel HQ Jim shooter said.

7th. according to Stan Lee PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality, the purpose of his original existence was to explain the existence of the other comic companies and their own universal laws and structure with their own supreme beings.

So what is the conclusion, the PR Beyonder is the God of an other reality beyond Marvel Universe, just like DC Universe, Image Universe, Shueisha Universe, Wildstorm Universe. which make him pretty likely as omnipotent as TOAA, Presence, and Man of Miracles.

so The One Above All is above all in Marvel Universe, but Beyonder is not part of Marvel Universe so the rule is not applied here, it's like saying The One Above All is above everything meaning above Presence, and above Man of Miracles, which it makes no sense, because Presence and Man of Miracles are not part of Marvel Universe, the rule is not applied.

Beyonder>TOAA all day bro

#21 Edited by superboyprimeonejillion (22 posts) - - Show Bio

@njones5: You don't seem to understand what he's saying. The Beyonder isn't just a regular omnipotent,, he's beyond the marvel universe. On that note, everyone please stop using names as a measurement of power. Thank you. Anyways, like the_mighty_beyonder said, The Beyonder is OUTSIDE of Marvel. Is TOAA above The Presence, DC's ultimate God? No, he's not, it's a stalemate. This applies to the Beyonder as well, he was published under Marvel's comics, but he's not a Marvel entity. He's from the Beyond. He was made to be the supreme God above all things. This is proven when the Beyonder explains the Beyond, and how the Marvel Universe is similar to just a measly droplet of water in an ocean of multiverses in the realm of Beyond, which is the Beyonder himself. Ask yourself who's more powerful, the ruler of a sea, or the ruler of an ocean?

#22 Posted by lol (4041 posts) - - Show Bio
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#23 Posted by thor123 (17 posts) - - Show Bio

@officialrikudousennin: Hey on the wiki website check the power grid TOAA has everything 7 but The beyonder has everything 7 except his fighting skills are 6 and here is the link for TOAA http://marvel.wikia.com/One-Above-All_(Multiverse) and for the beyonder http://marvel.wikia.com/Beyonder_(Earth-616)

#24 Posted by morgrim (1020 posts) - - Show Bio

Theoreticaly speaking yes Pre Retcon Beyonder is above TOAA simply because TOAA is the most powerful being in the marvel universe, and PRB is 1 million times more powerful than the collective Marvel U including TOAA

#25 Posted by Lunarstorm (17 posts) - - Show Bio

Burn this page now. Beyonder is just as impressive to TOAA as an ant is to us. Beyonder is too stupid and to unaware of his own existence. He was a failed lab experiment of TOAA and ended up in the basement. TOAA is omniscience omnipotent omnipresent etc TOAA is Omniverse while Beyonder is and idiot with multiversal powers.

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