• Misuse of supporting characters,Loeb has a filthy habit of spamming the reader with dozens of characters who have no reason to be in the story and not just that he cant even write them properly.
• Poor lead villains,supposedly brilliant but very ill defined in terms of personality,motivation and ability.
• Blatant ripoff,watch Godfather and Silence of the Lambs.
• His 3 major stories are actually just one story retold multiple times.
• Lousy mysteries that collapse at the climax
• I've heard that Loeb intentionally kept changing the identity of his villains/clues every time fans started catching up to him,a good writer should be honest with the fans and focused on writing his story not cheap twists.

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Oh wow my points and his are identical,his are obviously structured better though.

worst snyder, best/better the rest

• Best : Morrison (honorable mention Dennis O'Neil)
• Worse : Johns, Winnick (honorable mention Snyder...jking, he's not that bad)
• Potential : Layman, Tomasi.

Best:Grant Morrison,Chuck Dixon and Dennis O'Neil.
Worst:Kevin Smith,David Finch and Scott Snyder.

Most people are treating this like its all time best worst for every character Loeb, Morrison, and miller have each given more to batman than arguably anyone other than Bob Kane has especially miller. Now Leob and miller have gone off the edge and written some absolutely terrible stuff and Morrison is only for a few people who like his style. So even if you don't like them that should keep them from being the worst. Unless for miller you have only read dark knight strikes again and all star batman robin then hate away.

Favorite: (I don't have a best) Alan Moore and Scott Snyder (not of all time just off the current writers)

Worst: Geoff johns

Most potential: Geoff johns

The only way Geoff johns can write really well is if he gets to reinvent the character and start a long form story with them. Since he can't do that to batman he just isn't good at writing him. earth one was a huge step in the right direction but it was just one story so far hopefully after a couple of volumes it will be great.

Best: Morrison

Worst: Miller ( All star *cringes*)

Most potential: Snyder

Worst: grant Morrison. I just thought the only good thing that he did was introduce Damian as Bruce's son. I hate almost everything else he's done in batman.

Best/Potential: Snyder and Judd winick. Favorite story is under the hood and I love what's been going on in new 52. The only thing I don't like is mr. Freezes new origin.

Best/favorite: Chuck Dixon, Paul Dini

Worst/least favorite: Grant Morrison, Frank Miller (2000s onwards)

Most Potential: Scott Snyder

Decent: Jeph Loeb and Judd Winnick

The guy that wrote earth one is the worst. Best is dennis o'neil or morrison or Loeb

I don't get the Loeb hate either. Hush is good enough to justify anything bad. Just one man's opinion

@jayc1324: Ya thats was Geoff Johns the guy couldnt wright Batman if his life depended on it

Later Frank Miller stuff.

@entropy_aegis: very good, I would put Doeg Moench in the solid category as well.

Best: Morrison

Worst: Frank Miller, Besides TDKR and Batman Year one everything else he writes sucks

I actually just tried reading All Star Batman and Robin again and....

@jphu8414:

What about All Star Batman and Robin was so bad? I haven't read it.

@batzilla: All Star Batman and Robin has some of the WORST of all time dialogue and writing I have ever seen in a Batman comic, it goes against literally everything that Batman is all about. Do yourself a favor my friend and stay as far away as possible from it. Here is a quick sample if you're curious (this isn't even the worst from it)

Grant Morrison - Best

Worst - Geoff Johns

Potential - Scott Snyde

@jphu8414:

Lmao thanks for the scan, wow that was awful, Batman wouldn't say something like that lol wtf

Geoff Johns wins this hands down, no debate whatsoever.

@thebhramabull: @dagmar_merrill: I thought Geoff Johns work in Batman: Earth One was pretty good

Some more of Frank Miller's horrifyingly awful work from All Star Batman and Robin

@jphu8414: What the hell was that? Is All-Star Batman & Robin supposed to be in the same universe as The Dark Knight Returns?

@frozen: Apparently yes, it is in the same continuity

That'd mean it'd have to be set in the 1960s, right?

Given that DKR clearly takes place in 1986 (Raegen as president, Gordon refers to being in WW2). Meaning Bruce is born in 1931.

Best: Morrison, personally love everything that man writes

Worst: I love love love Kevin Smith as a writer/director/personality/whatever I've seen almost everything he's done, but my god he writes a terrible terrible Batman lol

Potential: Probably Snyder even though everything he's written is terrific, potential only makes sense if you're going to be working on Bats in the near future which Snyder will be

I can't begin to fathom how a Kevin Smith Batman would be.

You would think that yeah but it is really confusing because even though All Star has a younger Batman as well as Dick Grayson as Robin, it is set in a more modern time period which makes no sense if All star is suppose to be in the same continuity as TDKR, even though Frank Miller specifically stated that it was set in the same universe, so long story short-Miller flubbed it up

Or that he just got lazy.

Mathematically, it adds up that Bruce was born in 1931 and Gordon in 1916 - but Miller got lazy. I don't regard it as part of the DKR canon, it doesn't make any sense to be.

@frozen: Indeed my friend, that's probably the best way to go about it-don't put All Star anywhere near TDKR (in fact I think it's better to just pretend it just doesn't exist)

It really baffles me how good stories TDKR and Batman: Year One are and to even think that All Star had anything to do with it

Wasn't Year One written originally as New-Earth canon?

I don't know what Miller was even thinking with that crappy dialogue, but I can't believe that is in the DKR version - I mean he kills Dick Grayson in The Dark Knight Strikes Again (lousy writing), as Dick had become The Joker - but after reading All Star, I can see why Dick became how is in The Dark Knight Strikes Again.

Miller should have left DKR alone, because that was really a good story.

To me, All Star was just imaginary. Because Miller must have been smoking pot when he wrote that.

Worst - 2000s Frank Miller
Best - Paul Dini.

Best: Loeb, Dini, Winnick (since its Under the Red Hood), Cooke (short story but it was fun)

Okay: Doug Moench

Mixed: Miller

Worst- Doug Moench, Ugh.

Best- Scott Snyder (great so far, Black Mirror is top 5), Grant Morrison (Love everything he's done, even Gothic), Paul Dini ( Heart of Hush is amazing, SOG is great),

Solid- Peter J Tomasi (Batman and Robin is good), Matt Wagner (Monster Men is my favorite, Mad Monk is alright)

Hit or miss- Judd Winick (Love UTRH, Hate run just before New 52), Frank Miller (Love Year One, Hate TDKR)

Average- Kyle Higgins (Gates of Gotham is alright-ish), Jeph Loeb (Long halloween and Hush are alright), Denny O'Neil ( kind of off-topic, but I picked up Azrael 25-56 by him, some issues are sooooo good (31-42). The rest is meh-ish), David Lapham (City of Crime was amazing and terrible at the same time)

Most potential- I don't know, Scott Snyder, I guess.

Those are all I can think of that I've read, right now. I binge-read Gotham Central a few days and loved it, but that barely involves Batman, so Brubaker and Rucka are great there, but I haven't read any actual Batman by either of them.

@jphu8414 said:

Best: Morrison

Worst: Frank Miller, Besides TDKR and Batman Year one everything else he writes sucks

I actually just tried reading All Star Batman and Robin again and....

I can't be the only one on CV who thought All-Star was great.

Really like Snyder...lots of people say that Court of Owls is a rip off of RIP, I don't agree, but oh well...but personally, I thought CoO>RIP

But yes...Miller wins, or loses, for worst writer.

With respect to Johns, you guys gotta remember that that was an Earth One story...

@jphu8414 said:

@nlghtcrawler said:

I can't be the only one on CV who thought All-Star was great.

All-Star was funny at the very least. It was nice seeing something a little different from the norm. All the yellow was the best part. So much yellow.

It was hilarious.

Best: Scott Snyder, Chuck Dixon

Worst: Later Miller (crazy), Kevin Smith (bad fanfic from a famous fan), Jim Starlin (showing my age)

Hit-or-miss: Morrison

Potential: Higgins, Tomasi

Best : Alan grant

Worst: Kevin Smith.

I changed my mind, Loeb is trash. He did amazing with Superman: For All Seasons though.

Best - Miller (TDKR, Year One), Morrison (JLA run, Gothic, AA, his entire Batman run), Loeb (TLH, DV, Hush, Superman/Batman), Paul Dini (BTAS, Arkham Asylum, Arkham City, HoH, SoG), Denny O'Neil (His entire Demon saga, Shaman, TJFWR, Venom, TRORAG)

Worst - Geoff Johns (JL, GL Rebirth, Batman Earth One, Forever Evil), Kevin Smith (Cacophony, TWG), Miller (TDKSA, ASBAR)

Most Potential - Scott Snyder (TBM was great; COTO and DOTF both had flashes of brilliance, but were overall "meh". If he would stop relying on over long exposition dumps and make Bruce just a little bit more competent, I feel he would be great.), Geoff Johns (If he would remove his bias, or try to understand Bruce better, I think he could write a great Batman, considering I really like his GL, Aquaman, and Flash. Blackest Night and The Sinestro Corps War were fantastic. I just wish he cared enough to write Batman with the same pedigree. As it stands, he writes Bruce as useless and incompetent. Oh well)

Solid Overall - Tomasi (Batman and Robin, Batman and ...)

That's all I've got...

Least favorite: Morrison. I freely admit that his stuff does not speak to me.

Favorite: Snyder, followed closely by O'Neil and Loeb.

Potential: Snyder again.

The only answer is Geoff johns. And sometimes Judd winick

@jphu8414: You know that's meant to be an exaggerated Batman? Some of his traits such as paranoia are exaggerated to kingdom come.

This has got to be, by far, the worst overreaction I have ever seen on internet life. Attacking you or something? You're in for a shock once you're out in the real world my friend. No trophies for participation out there.

Oh and Kevin Smith for worst and Morrison for best.

i havent read cacophony or the widening gyre so im interested to know why kevin smith is considered so bad, i only know that people were pissed when he wrote in the bladder spasm part