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Why we think the 1989 Batman is the best film of them all.
someone said it before, this movie as well as the animated series got my into batman, but looking at it now with better insight to the comics, it is incredibly annoying to watch. Burton has openly admitted he has never read a comic book, and honestly if you are not going to even take the time to have better knowledge of what you are doing, it is incredibly disrespectful. that being said, i think acting wise, Keaton was quite good, and Nicholson haunted my nightmares as a child.
Love the Burton/Keaton films. I think they will always be my favourite of the whole of the Batman film series. Love the gothic setting and grimness of Gotham city. I agree about the films having all my favourites, suit, car, tone, most importantly the actor's who played the characters and the portrayal of the characters themselves.
Totally get what you both were saying about the toys being in the gold boxes, loved that. They were so eye catching.
I do think you are right in how under appreciated these films are though. I think there under appreciated because super maniac batman fans are like “Well this is wrong, this isn't how it's supposed to be, Batman kills." Seriously who cares? As long as the story, acting, direction and the vision are there, it’s all-good. Which I think both the Burton/Keaton films have. It was Burton’s vision, which worked at the time, like Chris Nolan’s has worked for this generation, but even his version isn't a perfect representation of Batman. His version still has bits that are wrong or not correct by comic standard. I mean you never know, maybe in 15years time, Nolan’s films won't be as appreciated as the batman films then.
I think us as batman fans should also appreciate the Burton/Keaton films more, as in my opinion, it set up the stage for Batman: The Animated Series, not only with the tone but with the grown up story telling.
Burton's Batman did a great job at introducing a darker Batman to the world of films, and I really do like both films but there is just two things about Batman 1989 that just annoyed me, 1 Batman kills a lot and 2 the Joker he is just portrayed as a psychotic mob boss, nothing like the Joker we know from the comics, or at least any I have read. But despite that the 2 films are a lot of fun, and in a way you could say Batman The Animated Series took what was great about Burton's Batman and improved on the areas the films wasn't so strong in.
What's all this about Tim Burton not reading a single Batman comic. I don't believe that. I n fact, I've read from many sources that Tim Burton was inspired by The Killing Joke novel by Alan Moore. I've seen all the batman films except the newest one. The first ever one is still my favourite because for some reason, Michael Keaton fitted Bruce Wayne very well. The first film had some epic moments. Joker frying a guy with the hand buzzer; Batman fighting Jokers goons for the first time until only Jack runs away; Batman getting his ass kicked up on the bell tower by that african ninja dude; Joker plummeting to the earth with a gargoyle strapped to his ankle; Jake getting instantly killed by Joker because he lost his balloons. Finally, my fave part of that film "Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?"
Tim Burton did read a Batman comic; he was inspired by The Killing Joke:
"I was never a giant comic book fan, but I've always loved the image of Batman and The Joker. The reason I've never been a comic book fan - and I think it started when I was a child - is because I could never tell which box I was supposed to read. I don't know if it was dyslexia or whatever, but that's why I loved The Killing Joke, because for the first time I could tell which one to read. It's my favorite. It's the first comic I've ever loved. And the success of those graphic novels made our ideas more acceptable." Tim Burton.
I believe that Keaton's performance as the Batman and Bruce Wayne was very poor and he shouldn't have been put into the role. Another negative factor is the terrible fighting scenes and the fact that Batman kills. However, I love Jack Nicholson's performance of the Joker and Burton's portrayal of him. The dark undertones in Burton's films helped usher in a new era of a "darker" Batman.
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