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Bruce Wayne witnessed the murder of his billionaire parents as a child, swearing to avenge them. He trained extensively to achieve both mental and physical perfection, mastering detective skills, martial arts, and criminal psychology. Costumed as a bat to prey on criminals' fear and utilizing a high-tech arsenal in his crusade to rid Gotham City of crime, the legendary Batman was born.

Why should I read Batman Inc?

#1 Edited by wessaari (573 posts) - 5 months, 17 days ago - Show Bio

I have found that Grant Morrison is very capable and well accomplished writer. He created the fifth (old DCU)/ fourth (new DCU) robin, by visiting in the past conituity and thus creating Damian Wayne. Damian is loved my many and so is Morriosn, but there are those, and there are many, who can not stand Morrison's writing. I would be part of the latter. I can't stand what he did to Todd right before the new 52, im not a fan of Damian, though i think i would like him if he were older (i cant stand bratty little kids). I just dont find his writing pleasnt at all. That is my taste, nothing against the guy, and the more power to him. I respect him alot in that regard. But Batman Inc has been on my mind alot. It is such a great idea, and I began to like Batwing, but for some reason or another i just stopped reading about him. i glimpsed through pre new 52 leviathan, and thought it was good. But I didnt know the team was filled with such odd charcters. I just dont like them. But nonetheless, the series has been introduced into the new 52 and has recieved muich praise. Then i found out the Jason has joined the team, and by the way the story is goin, it seems as though Morrison is ignoring much fo the DCU. Now Morrison is telling a story, and I am not trying to step in the way of that. But what is the purpose of a conintuity if writers just do what they want without regard of what else is happening. I want to get into comicbook writing, and i see that as a challenge, but i think i would at least think of what im creating means to the rest of the writer's material.

Am i overreacting? Or am i meant to just not like Morrison or Batman Inc?

Pros and Cons, and please be respectful of everyone's opinions.

#2 Posted by knightofthechronicle (371 posts) - 5 months, 17 days ago - Show Bio

Morrison is a very acquired taste. I got into him because I wanted to be caught up with Batman (before the new 52) and I just really liked his stories. I would guess the reason why a lot of people don't like him is because he really has layered plots, things that you have to really look up or else you're lost throughout the entire storyline (which personally I enjoy). Are you overreacting, of course not. And a lot of people have said that Batman Inc. actually is in like it's own universe or still taking place in the old DC universe but I actually wrote a blog post about it being in The New 52 Universe back when I first started. Something you have to know about continuity is that the 'present' is pretty flexible: one story can be going on after another storyline or before it, it all has to do with reading in-between the lines and a lot of people don't like that either.

Pros- Morrison delivers a story that really is one that can be considered a classic because of his use of the past stories and he always thinks of things that you never see coming that really boosts the character

Cons- Morrison constantly layers his plots to leave people scratching their heads and doesn't explain some of the ideas he bases his story's off of.

#3 Posted by SmashBrawler (4145 posts) - 5 months, 17 days ago - Show Bio

Why should Morrison care about the other Batman series? He deserves to finish his run, he's been working on it for 6 years. 6 years!

Morrison is not gonna let some bullsh!t editorial mandate ruin that, and he's certainly not going to let other series affect his run. I couldn't care less if he doesn't follow continuity. In fact, it's much better that way.

#4 Posted by batshrine (735 posts) - 5 months, 17 days ago - Show Bio

So my opinion is the only con's to Morrison's writings is that he assumes a lot of knowledge on the readers, and his writing can be so epic that endings seem to almost feel anticlimactic or rushed.

But overall he is one of the few writers that know how to keep you on the edge of your toes the entire story and I rarely get bored reading his stuff.

I do want to call out why everyone thinks Batman Inc Vol 2 is out of continuity?!? He is telling a story separate from Batman, big deal. This has always been the case where multiple stories are published at the same time but continuity is still preserved. I mean why are people not questioning Batman: The Dark Knight, I mean he has his scarecrow stuff going on, or is it the lack of crossovers?!? He so far has not contradicted continuity so I say it is still within it.

OH another con for Batman Inc he is really pushing his characters from his main narrative (as opposed to Nightrunner, or The Knight, who showed up in other stories to introduce them into Batman Inc.) who he didn't introduce so they barely show up.

I still say he is an impecable story teller, who sometimes you need comicvine open to look up certain things lol.

#5 Posted by KnightRise (3971 posts) - 5 months, 17 days ago - Show Bio

@knightofthechronicle said:

Morrison is a very acquired taste.

This is the only explaination needed.

#6 Posted by entropy_aegis (12412 posts) - 5 months, 17 days ago - Show Bio

@SmashBrawler said:

Why should Morrison care about the other Batman series? He deserves to finish his run, he's been working on it for 6 years. 6 years!

Morrison is not gonna let some bullsh!t editorial mandate ruin that, and he's certainly not going to let other series affect his run. I couldn't care less if he doesn't follow continuity. In fact, it's much better that way.

This.

#7 Edited by JakeN7 (781 posts) - 5 months, 17 days ago - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

@SmashBrawler said:

Why should Morrison care about the other Batman series? He deserves to finish his run, he's been working on it for 6 years. 6 years!

Morrison is not gonna let some bullsh!t editorial mandate ruin that, and he's certainly not going to let other series affect his run. I couldn't care less if he doesn't follow continuity. In fact, it's much better that way.

This.

Seconded

Batman Inc. can really only appeal to people who have been awaiting the conclusion to Grant's epic 6 year long run on Batman. Today's issue (#6) even made multiple references to events that happened all the way back in Batman and Son. Also, it totally is in continuity. The events in it have ramifications throughout all the Bat-books. You see the hit out on Damian's head mentioned in Batman and Batman and Robin, and in today's issue of Teen Titans (#15) Batgirl talks about the Joker attacking Alfred because of Bruce Wayne's connection to Batman Incorporated. I'm not sure where the assumption that it's out of continuity comes from, but it probably has to do with the fact that the Pre-Flashpoint series had only been around for a year before the New 52 rolled around, and naturally, the New 52 series picks up right where the old one left off. But it's already been established that the Batman and Green Lantern titles don't really change their continuity at all so I'm not sure why some people are hung up on the misinformation that Batman Incorporated is out of continuity.

#8 Posted by wessaari (573 posts) - 5 months, 16 days ago - Show Bio

i think it also means something since ive been a reader for about 2 and a half years. I got in very late, right when the New 52 has started, but i picked up alot of older trades and comics, because the past is filled with impeccable stories. I completely understand what Morrison is doing, if i got cut short of writing something i thought and others thought was really good, then damn it i would wanna finish that story. I just don't care for it is all.

#9 Posted by Joelislegend (212 posts) - 5 months, 16 days ago - Show Bio

@SmashBrawler said:

Why should Morrison care about the other Batman series? He deserves to finish his run, he's been working on it for 6 years. 6 years!

Morrison is not gonna let some bullsh!t editorial mandate ruin that, and he's certainly not going to let other series affect his run. I couldn't care less if he doesn't follow continuity. In fact, it's much better that way.

This!!

#10 Posted by jsphsmth (1127 posts) - 5 months, 16 days ago - Show Bio

Ys, lets keep called Morridon's run "epic". Maybe eventually people will believe it. Right up until they read it.

#11 Posted by TDK_1997 (10089 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio

@SmashBrawler said:

Why should Morrison care about the other Batman series? He deserves to finish his run, he's been working on it for 6 years. 6 years!

Morrison is not gonna let some bullsh!t editorial mandate ruin that, and he's certainly not going to let other series affect his run. I couldn't care less if he doesn't follow continuity. In fact, it's much better that way.

#12 Posted by Joelislegend (212 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio

Love or hate it who has had a better run? Snyder's run on owls ended quite poorly because ofnthe Talon spinoff. Tony Daniel was a horrible Batman writer for years... Batman has had some really BAD writers in the past 5 years

#13 Edited by wessaari (573 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio

@Joelislegend: i dont believe so, Snyder has kept up high pace and delievered some great stories. The ending of his Batman run isnt poor just because there is a spinoff series, that just means that it was good enough to have a spin off series continue the story. That is pretty impressive, if your story was good enough to make a spin off (which has been really good in my opinion). Daniels, i havent cared for lately with his B&R run after the Nobody arc, whcih started really slow. I dont even wanna look at Detective Comics, or Batman: The Dark Knight. THat is just wasted space for a Tim Drake or Damian solo title.

ive got in late so idk how story quality has been over the years, but from what i hear Snyder also did a really good story, The Black Mirror, whcih i wanna get in trade. it just seems that there are too many Batman books, when obviously Snyder, and even Morrison for that matter have had so much more success with their titles.

#14 Posted by batshrine (735 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio

@wessaari: Detective Comics and Batman: Dark Knight are actually too really good series now. You should check it out, they got new creative teams on them, and they are cranking out awesome stories

#15 Posted by wessaari (573 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio

@batshrine: ive looked through them, i think before the new teams came on, and was extrememly disappointed. Though i am hearing good things about it, i just dont like that there are three titles solely on Batman. Idk if one is set in the past or they are just cranking out stories, but there are just too many out there. That is why i only pick up Batman, only because it is the one Batman title that hasnt really dissapointed me yet. Granted, im also in college and buy a few issues a month cuz im poor, but if there are doing good stories, then that is great. I just dont like there being way too much going on when other characters could use the spotlight.

#16 Posted by chocobojam (288 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio

I have to agree that some of the members of batman inc are boring and doesn't have much impact on me but honestly i sometimes prefer not so popular character for a change. sometimes im sick and tired of seeing the same popular characters over and over again and you can expect that they will always survive the day no matter what. while the not so popular characters can die very unexpectedly and sometimes in a way that will shock you.

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