Well if you don't have favorite superhero, then you're pretty much saying this about EVERY superhero. The only reason people, including myself, say that Batman is the best, is because he was made that way, he was created as the best, able to beat ANYONE he faces. He's the world's greatest detective! Its nice to have a superhero from Earth who wasn't bitten or zapped and just got super powers for a change.

haters gonna hate.

@AveryIsSoAwesome: its also pretty nice to have a superhero who can be beaten. the idea that batman can beat everyone kinda turns me away from the charecter a bit.

i like batman.. i m reading all the bat books ..in fact all the gotham books.....but sometimes his fans do piss me off...but there are a bunch of two distinct groups who r starting to really get my goat..

1) superman fanboys/batman haters: they hate batman because he is a billionaire playboy and thus not relatable, and they hate how he always wins against stronger opponents, however as soon as a batman vs superman debate comes up they will start posting things like "supes crushes batman, speedblitz etc"

2)batman fanboys/superman haters:they hate superman because he is a boy scout and thus not relatable, and they hate how is overpowered, but as soon as the eternal debate starts, they start with stuff like.. batman defeats him with kryptonite or 5 mins of prep...

see the paradox.....

ps: who really wants "relatable" in comic books..i think its just an excuse to hate on a character..

Bruce is okay but his fanboys and his PIS scans, like kicking Spectre, is annoying. Terry McGinnis is awesome though. He deserves the mantle Batman more than his father.

@stumpy49er said:

@Oni Bane: You hate Batman so much you have a tattoo of him? I hate Jar Jar Binks but I'd never get a tattoo of him getting thrown in the Sarlac pit. (Though I wouldn't mind having a poster or t shirt of it.) To me, if you have a tattoo of something, that means you have that on your skin, forever. I would never want to look at my butt in the mirror everyday and see Jar Jar.

Hahaha good point stumpy.

Yeah Im thinking you don't actually have that tattoo. Lets see a picture of it, I would love to see it.

batmans awesome, but i just dont like how writers and fanboys pumped him up to the point where he can beat every superhero in the dc universe. and how fanboys come annd say "OOH SUPERMANS GAY BATMAN CAN BEAT SUPERMAN WITH 5 MINS OF PREP"!!!

As far as I'm concerned, Batman is the most interesting hero to read about. I find almost everything about him, his villains, his allies, and Gotham City to be incredibly fascinating.

That being said, while Batman is definately a formidable foe, it is going too far to say that he can easily beat any other hero or villain.

Now, despite the fact that there is a population of people who say "Batman can beat anyone! He's amazing! Everyone else sucks!", it's not really fair to hate Batman as a character because of that. I mean, there are tons of characters in comics who have a fanbase claiming that he or she is superior to all others and can easily kill anyone they come across.

And as far as Batman's mastery of martial arts being illogical goes, the OP speaks as if this is an uncommon occurrance. Several characters (in comics, movies, TV, literature etc) as spoken about as if they know 100s of different fighting styles. Illogical or not, they're characters of fiction. Batman exists in the same universe as a man who can telepathically control fish, a woman whose scream can kill a man, and an amazon princess with super strength. If we can respect that their abilities border on the fantastic then it's only fair to respect that one of Batman's greatest strengths is his mastery of hand-to-hand combat.

@ratman19

batmans awesome, but i just dont like how writers and fanboys pumped him up to the point where he can beat every superhero in the dc universe. and how fanboys come annd say "OOH SUPERMANS GAY BATMAN CAN BEAT SUPERMAN WITH 5 MINS OF PREP"!!!

@SupBatz

As far as I'm concerned, Batman is the most interesting hero to read about. I find almost everything about him, his villains, his allies, and Gotham City to be incredibly fascinating.

That being said, while Batman is definately a formidable foe, it is going too far to say that he can easily beat any other hero or villain.

Now, despite the fact that there is a population of people who say "Batman can beat anyone! He's amazing! Everyone else sucks!", it's not really fair to hate Batman as a character because of that. I mean, there are tons of characters in comics who have a fanbase claiming that he or she is superior to all others and can easily kill anyone they come across.

And as far as Batman's mastery of martial arts being illogical goes, the OP speaks as if this is an uncommon occurrance. Several characters (in comics, movies, TV, literature etc) as spoken about as if they know 100s of different fighting styles. Illogical or not, they're characters of fiction. Batman exists in the same universe as a man who can telepathically control fish, a woman whose scream can kill a man, and an amazon princess with super strength. If we can respect that their abilities border on the fantastic then it's only fair to respect that one of Batman's greatest strengths is his mastery of hand-to-hand combat.

This. It's like liking a football team but hating the fans.

People are going to troll you for disliking or hating certain characters or just to vent their angst. Some are even going to troll you for liking certain characters. Threads often quickly become a feeding frenzy of frustration-venters. Welcome to the internet.

@WaveMotionCannon: Nowhere in my post did I mention hating fans of Batman. I only said that nearly all of the great comic book characters have a portion of their fanbase which will claim the hero or villain they love can beat anybody. I don't hate the fans - in fact, I think the way other people talk about "Batman fanboys" greatly exaggerates their numbers and their claims.

And as far as his mastery being impossible - it's like I said in my other post. It may be illogical but most things in comic books are illogical. To quote myself: "Batman exists in the same universe as a man who can telepathically control fish, a woman whose scream can kill a man, and an amazon princess with super strength. If we can respect that their abilities border on the fantastic then it's only fair to respect that one of Batman's greatest strengths is his mastery of hand-to-hand combat."

It may make more sense to say that some of Batman's combat abilities come about due to technological influence (as you stated) but I don't think people care enough about the logic of a man mastering an impossible number of fighting style to go back and alter a 70 year old origin.

@WaveMotionCannon: Nowhere in my post did I mention hating fans of Batman. I only said that nearly all of the great comic book characters have a portion of their fanbase which will claim the hero or villain they love can beat anybody. I don't hate the fans - in fact, I think the way other people talk about "Batman fanboys" greatly exaggerates their numbers and their claims.

And as far as his mastery being impossible - it's like I said in my other post. It may be illogical but most things in comic books are illogical. To quote myself: "Batman exists in the same universe as a man who can telepathically control fish, a woman whose scream can kill a man, and an amazon princess with super strength. If we can respect that their abilities border on the fantastic then it's only fair to respect that one of Batman's greatest strengths is his mastery of hand-to-hand combat."

It may make more sense to say that some of Batman's combat abilities come about due to technological influence (as you stated) but I don't think people care enough about the logic of a man mastering an impossible number of fighting style to go back and alter a 70 year old origin.

I love Batman, but I HATE when people make him out to be some unbeatable prep master. There's a reason that Batman has very few super-powered villains in his rogues gallery; Batman is a street leveler, and should not be put above that. I don't even think he belongs in the Justice League. Keep Batman in Gotham.

@ratman19: Well it's not like he never dies, he gets killed and is replaced

@Noctis said:

@Oni_Bane: What's " he would loses to Mr.Fantastic"?!? lql grammar fail.

I couldn't stop laughing at this. How funny.

@Imagine_Man15 said:

I love Batman, but I HATE when people make him out to be some unbeatable prep master. There's a reason that Batman has very few super-powered villains in his rogues gallery; Batman is a street leveler, and should not be put above that. I don't even think he belongs in the Justice League. Keep Batman in Gotham.

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@TheGoldenOne said:

@Vance Astro said:

Batman>>>>Your favorite superhero.

I like Batman but I hate how people like him because "he's badass" and just jump on the Bandwagon. 90% of the people you see that wear Batman shirts don't read comics. No hate though, good character.

Well, I do not hate Batman. I even think Bruce Wayne is a likeable character the way he was created originally. In fact I read most of the Batman comics, but I will soon stop doing so. The reason is the stonecold cynisism today´s comic books are pestered with. These writers are a bunch of ***-holes who thinks they all are the new Alan Moore, Garth Ennis etc. I hate this form of comic writing that are stampered out like film manuscripts or computer game manuals. Maybe this guy who killed so many young persons in Denver was full of the hatred that you can see in Batman etc. The hatred against white policemen and young male persons of European origin which are killed frequently and abundantly in EVERY issue of Batman. Why is it OK to kill those men when you never would be allowed to do this kind of masslaughter against women or men of other origins than European, in the not-so-fun comics. The whole thing with the modern entertainment industry i sick! sick!! SICK!!! I am sick of all the DC and Marvel trash that are brought out every month. Comics should be fun, fun, FUN!

To each their own. Though I must say the OP's reasons for hating Batman aren't well thought out. To be honest, mastering 127 major martial art styles, learning criminology, forensic science, deductive arts amongst his other skills is far more likely than the DC's super powered denizens. Besides when reading comics, I tend to overlook the utter unlikelihood of such things happening in real life and enjoy the comics for what they are. Batman's my 2nd favourite superhero. I love his determination, his motivations, his moral code and his tendency for preparation. However I do hate it when people make Batman to be unbeatable. Sure he's very impressive and could beat a fair few superhumans but when putting him against Superman and other really powerful beings, it is unfair. He's still only human and can bleed, be burnt and hurt in exactly the same way. He's pushed himself to the very limit physically and mentally but at the end of the day he is still one of us.

@GunterS_kamp: What in the world are you talking about?

Well this is amusing.

Every time he's fighting alongside JL, Bats has one unofficial superpower. Think Marvel's Longshot or even the Scarlet Witch. He can alter the odds in his favor. You can say he's been ready for every eventuality, you can claim he doesn't leave anything to chance, but even with all his plans the unforgettable stories are when all of a sudden someone finds the chink in his armor and he has to improvise. That usually happens on his own series. It's just a bit demeaning to other superheroes when the one that has the solution, the one that didn't get mind-controlled, the one that was prepared for the alien-with-four-heads-with-the-power-to-make-everyone-wear-plad is Bruce.

Think the kid in the playground that doesn't go down when someone points at him and says bang. "I just shot you." "I was wearing a bulletproof vest." "When did you put that on?" "Oh, before we even started."

I do like him. He didn't get superpowers based upon an event. The event that created Batman was not the death of his parents. That was the event that made Bruce a broken human being and took away his world. Bruce created the Dark Knight over years of training. But I like him in Gotham. He's not a superhero - he's a crime fighter. Give me the streets, the dark alleys and the gargoyles on the roof every time. You can't have Batman without Gotham. They're both the main leads.

@Oni_Bane: Well, seeing as you have stated your point, you must expect everyone else to either state that they agree or disagree with you (otherwise, why would you have made a thread for this?).

The reason I love Batman is not simply because he is the pinnacle of human fitness, that he's the world's greatest detective (I like mysteries), or that he has dashingly good looks. It's because his greatest strength is his willpower. He shows that you don't have to have special genes to succeed. Of course, the fact that he inherited his billionaire status enables him to be Batman more "realistically," but that's not the point. In the end, it's his determination that defeats his foes. That's inspiring to me, because it makes me believe in the ability to achieve anything through my will, a limitless resource.

@Blood1991 said:

One does not simply hate the Batman.

I wonder if some people know the meaning of the word: "comic book character".

why I love Batman(DC Comics) is their most powerful are also their most recognizable

Batman is the worlds smartest man...in Marvel(which I also love) that could go to 5 or 7 guys in different aspects

Superman is the most powerful, again in Marvel that is an ongoing discussion

the idea that Batman is smart enough to be equal to the worlds most powerful is amazing

in the Marvel universe its like Reed or Tony being claimed by heroes around him as the equal to the Hulk or Sentry

@KMART4455 said:

@Imagine_Man15 said:

I love Batman, but I HATE when people make him out to be some unbeatable prep master. There's a reason that Batman has very few super-powered villains in his rogues gallery; Batman is a street leveler, and should not be put above that. I don't even think he belongs in the Justice League. Keep Batman in Gotham.

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@kasino: batman is not the worlds smartest man lex luthor is and if lex luthor cant beat superman batman shouldnt be able to either and superman is there most recognizable charecter

I have a love hate relationship with batman. I love him when he is written properly but I hate the PIS moments he has and his annoying fanboys. My biggest problem with him is if your going to say he is a human treat him like a goddamn human. Batman is cool but he needs to stick to the lower to medium street level threats.

So I think everyone has a right to their own opinions, but here is the problem with your core arguments, they apply to all popular superheroes. First of all lets look at the top 3 grossing superheroes for DC and Marvel and lets see if they have something in common.

Marvel:

Wolverine: Adamantium skeleton which as far as I know is unbreakable metal, and a healing factor that makes him literally impossible to kill.

Hulk: Super strength, but not normal super strength. He is the strongest character in Marvel Universe. He cannot be beat physically.

Spiderman: Super strength, wall crawling, spider sense, genius(?) or at least smart enough to create his spider gadgets.

DC:

Batman: Genius, detective, martial arts master, escape artist, has resources, and prepared for anything

Superman: super strength, super speed, flight, heat vision, xray vision, and cold breath

Green Lantern: Power ring that can do pretty much anything.

Here is the thing, they are all unbeatable characters. The reason why Batman is one of the most popular ones is that he worked hard for his abilities, they weren't just given to him or born with them. Wolverine is a paralel to Batman in the sense that even though he has his mutant powers, he has gone through a lot of trauma and he is also trained and is at the peak of human conditioning.

And I am not putting Batman on a high horse but Batman gives us as readers and ideal to live up to. If you work hard enough you can achieve great things. Now I won't get into how farcical the american dream is in our society, but there is hope to achieve greatness. And thats what makes him the most appealing of them all. Sure what Batman achieved is only possible in comics, but thats the situation with ALL superheroes, super powered or not.

This all leads to the concept of greatest controversy, Bat-god with the power of prep. People see him one upping other superheroes all the time, or the one with the master plan. As for the first one, Batman one upping other superheroes is only blatant because Batman is constantly being one upped by other superheroes all the time, while Batman only has moments. Batman can't fly, break walls, read minds, etc. And I promise throwing a batarang compared to shooting a laser out of your eyes is not nearly as cool. What makes it cool is when he succeeds, therefore the moment when he "one ups" other super heroes. Its like people seeing on the news tons of violence. Does that mean we live in a violent world? No its the occasional bad thing that happens, but thats what catches our attention.

Now if you think a characters moral code is abhorrent then you need to check yourself again. All super heroes, and even anti-heroes have one, and a grand majority of them includes no killing. I mean i've heard the debate constantly Batman should be like the Punisher and kill the Joker. With the retort almost always being then we would run out of villains. So just because I am tired of that debate, I'll leave it at Batman isn't the only superhero that doesn't kill, and I'd appreciate every other hero being hated too for being too "high and mighty" for morality.

As for hating a character for its fans is silly. First of all if you just watched Batman media, and read the comics, not talking to anyone aside. Would you hate the character? And if it is the fans that ruin it for you, then why let them get to you? Why go on Batman forums if the fans drive you crazy. Every superhero has fans, the more popular, the more fans (hence the word popular). Batman being the most popular (and before I get attacked for that comment I have numbers to argue that, and I am not saying he is the best) has the loudest fans. But just as annoying Batman fans are, there is one thing more annoying. Someone going up to Batman fans saying your character sucks, and making tons of logical fallacies attacking a character dear to them. I don't go around telling others why they shouldn't be fans of their superheroes. But I will go around saying why I like my favorite super hero.

So to finish my long rant on why the argument is broken on this thread. Stop being annoying, and go find a character that you like, instead of hating on one that everyone else likes. :-D

@Oni_Bane said:

No Batman Fanboys allowed!!!!!!

It's cute how you think this going to stop me.

@Oni_Bane said:

No Batman Fanboys allowed!!!!!!

It's cute how you think this going to stop me.

@batshrine: i agree with you on most of the things you said in that, but i dont agree with what you said about batman being one upped by other heroes. ITS THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE!!! hes the one always doing the one upping. i like batman when hes solo or with robin. but i dont like him in the justice league because alot of times writers want to pit him against superman or alien beings and you know batman doesnt stand a chance against them. he's smart. but not smart enough to take on superman. if lex luthor can't beat him theres no way bats can.

@ratman19: Well the thing is what I'm trying to say is that its not obvious when other superheroes do something better than him simply cause well thats their super power. For example show me an in continuity example when Batman beat Superman. Then show me when Superman beat Batman. Superman is almost always the stronger one, with Batman barely scraping by. For example just recently in Justice League a breakout happens at Gotham, and Batman has always been able to handle it. But this time around Superman and Cyborg helped out, even though its something Batman is totally capable of handling.

But yeah when Batman does one up other heroes it tends to be more epic, but you could say it takes a lot more to one up Superman. And idk if it would be a fair comparison between Luthor and Batman. Luthor has the highest IQ, but that doesn't mean much in measuring knowledge. Batman has better deductive skills being the worlds greatest detective, and many other smarts that Luthor lacks. (not calling Luthor stupider than Batman, just that Luthor is more books smart)

Batman can beat all these people because he's not exactly human. He's way smarter than anyone. That's how he manages to get past these powerful guys. He outsmarts them. So what if he has a moral code? He doesn't dwell on the past; his just happens to particularly painful. He's not a downer, he looks at the negative side so that he's ready for anything. He mastered so many martial arts because he's a comic book character and he's above any regular human being. Yeah, I'm a fanboy and proud. I know Batman has limitations. Honestly I don't think he ever is overdone. He only seems overdone because when he wins; it's so much more fantastic.

@jobiwankenobi: but when superman beats batman i get the feeling that finally bat-god has finally been put in his place. i like batman but he shouldnt be able to beat everyone. if hes so good at prep then why does joker and freeze give him such a hard time every time they escape he should already have a plan to beat him.

@Oni_Bane said:

I read a thread in which his fanboys said that he would loses to Mr.Fantastic, come on, how could a man become so popular when even his back story makes no sense, how could he become a master of over a hundred different martial arts. From what I've gathered his parents died when he was about 8, if that is true, even it he started training right then he never would have been to master every martial art known to man.

I don't know about every martial art known to man, but Batman's definitely a master of basic grammar and syntax. You could learn a lot from him. 8D

@cuddles666: No offense cuddles but you just did one of the worst logical fallacies out there (in my opinion). Instead of attacking the argument you attacked the person. First of all that is rude, and second of all you added nothing to this conversation.

well for 1 thing i hope you realize that it was about 20 years,that's enough time to learn about 127 styles.....and there are over 1000 fighting styles,why did you think 127 was all of them. Another thing,i couldn't really read what you wrote,and if you hate the fanboys,that's understandable,but not the character....and how is it PIS,it's pis if he has a spray that saves the day in his belt...I DON'T REALLY GET YOU!?!?!

bump

You seem to hate Batman's fanbase more than the character, something i also do.

Batman is a great character, dont let his stupid, idiot fanbase get to you.

Yet, here you are on a Batman forum talking about him.

@Imagine_Man15 said:

I love Batman, but I HATE when people make him out to be some unbeatable prep master. There's a reason that Batman has very few super-powered villains in his rogues gallery; Batman is a street leveler, and should not be put above that. I don't even think he belongs in the Justice League. Keep Batman in Gotham.

Surely, you jest. If you took Batman out of the Justice League, they would be toast within a few minutes.

@Frill_Artist said:

@Imagine_Man15 said:

I love Batman, but I HATE when people make him out to be some unbeatable prep master. There's a reason that Batman has very few super-powered villains in his rogues gallery; Batman is a street leveler, and should not be put above that. I don't even think he belongs in the Justice League. Keep Batman in Gotham.

Surely, you jest. If you took Batman out of the Justice League, they would be toast within a few minutes.

Heres a typically batfag. Listen If you took Batman in the Justice League, he would be toast in a few mins in reality. By the way the Justice League has had many books without having Batman in the team and they survived without him.

@redwingx said:

@Frill_Artist said:

@Imagine_Man15 said:

I love Batman, but I HATE when people make him out to be some unbeatable prep master. There's a reason that Batman has very few super-powered villains in his rogues gallery; Batman is a street leveler, and should not be put above that. I don't even think he belongs in the Justice League. Keep Batman in Gotham.

Surely, you jest. If you took Batman out of the Justice League, they would be toast within a few minutes.

Heres a typically batfag. Listen If you took Batman in the Justice League, he would be toast in a few mins in reality. By the way the Justice League has had many books without having Batman in the team and they survived without him.

"If you took Batman in the Justice League..." Huh?

There's no one on the Justice League that can match Batman in terms of tactics and planning. Read Tower of Babel if you think I'm lying. Mind you, they're all great superheroes but they mostly just rush head on into battle or situations without really thinking it through. When I say the Justice League would be defeated in mins, it's obviously hyperbole.

@redwingx said:

Heres a typically batfag.

Classyyyyyyyyyyy. In the future, refrain from insults.

@Frill_Artist said:

@redwingx said:

@Frill_Artist said:

@Imagine_Man15 said:

I love Batman, but I HATE when people make him out to be some unbeatable prep master. There's a reason that Batman has very few super-powered villains in his rogues gallery; Batman is a street leveler, and should not be put above that. I don't even think he belongs in the Justice League. Keep Batman in Gotham.

Surely, you jest. If you took Batman out of the Justice League, they would be toast within a few minutes.

Heres a typically batfag. Listen If you took Batman in the Justice League, he would be toast in a few mins in reality. By the way the Justice League has had many books without having Batman in the team and they survived without him.

"If you took Batman in the Justice League..." Huh?

There's no one on the Justice League that can match Batman in terms of tactics and planning. Read Tower of Babel if you think I'm lying. Mind you, they're all great superheroes but they mostly just rush head on into battle or situations without really thinking it through. When I say the Justice League would be defeated in mins, it's obviously hyperbole.

While you're completely right in saying Batman is the brains of the JLA, the bolded isn't neccesarily true. I mean, Superman has outmsarted Lex Luthor after all.

people love to hate whats popular

@Frill_Artist said:

@redwingx said:

@Frill_Artist said:

@Imagine_Man15 said:

I love Batman, but I HATE when people make him out to be some unbeatable prep master. There's a reason that Batman has very few super-powered villains in his rogues gallery; Batman is a street leveler, and should not be put above that. I don't even think he belongs in the Justice League. Keep Batman in Gotham.

Surely, you jest. If you took Batman out of the Justice League, they would be toast within a few minutes.

Heres a typically batfag. Listen If you took Batman in the Justice League, he would be toast in a few mins in reality. By the way the Justice League has had many books without having Batman in the team and they survived without him.

"If you took Batman in the Justice League..." Huh?

There's no one on the Justice League that can match Batman in terms of tactics and planning. Read Tower of Babel if you think I'm lying. Mind you, they're all great superheroes but they mostly just rush head on into battle or situations without really thinking it through. When I say the Justice League would be defeated in mins, it's obviously hyperbole.

Have you read any of their comics? They dont rush to battles pal.

I like Batman. His vast array of abilities does strain credulity, but I forgive that as a sin of the medium just as accept the sin of non-powered comic characters regularly demonstrating ten foot vertical leaps. I wish it was kept more realistic, but writers and artists like to exaggerate reality.

I like that Batman is more vulnerable than a true superhero. I like that he is a jerk. I like that he is self-reliant most of the time. I like that he has one of the greatest supporting casts of any comic. I love the nobility of his dedication and the neurosis of his obsession. I, unapologetically, love Batman.

To each their own though. You are free to hate his guts. (grins)