Why does Batman Begins get underrated so much?

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#101 Posted by comicdude23 (11399 posts) - - Show Bio

@tupiaz: Anyways, I had Connery at #1 until Skyfall.

#102 Posted by tupiaz (2183 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicdude23: Nope I haven't read any of the novels. And notice I didn't comment on him being a womanizer or a brutal killer either. The new movies have sold out so many in product placement I don't feel like seeing them.

Also the James Bond movies inspired Batman begins under the segment Batman Begins begins http://sequart.org/magazine/9929/the-road-to-christopher-nolans-batman-begins/

It was Goyer who solved the problem and came up with the specific foes. Nolan wanted someone who wouldn’t overshadow Batman, a criticism of the four previous films. He related Batman to James Bond: “I think the best of the Bond movies have… memorable villains, but Bond is always the center of the movie. That’s never been in dispute.”

#103 Posted by comicdude23 (11399 posts) - - Show Bio

@tupiaz said:

@comicdude23: Nope I haven't read any of the novels. And notice I didn't comment on him being a womanizer or a brutal killer either. The new movies have sold out so many in product placement I don't feel like seeing them.

Also the James Bond movies inspired Batman begins under the segment Batman Begins begins http://sequart.org/magazine/9929/the-road-to-christopher-nolans-batman-begins/

It was Goyer who solved the problem and came up with the specific foes. Nolan wanted someone who wouldn’t overshadow Batman, a criticism of the four previous films. He related Batman to James Bond: “I think the best of the Bond movies have… memorable villains, but Bond is always the center of the movie. That’s never been in dispute.”

What I was getting at, is Craig is close to the character that Fleming wrote. He captures many major aspects of him, and they blend it into modern day. The only aspect from BB in the Bond movies is Casino Royale being a reboot. That's all.

#104 Posted by jphulk26 (1332 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicdude23: True, Batman Begins I think was the best of the trilogy in my opinion.

#105 Posted by tupiaz (2183 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicdude23 said:

@tupiaz said:

@comicdude23: Nope I haven't read any of the novels. And notice I didn't comment on him being a womanizer or a brutal killer either. The new movies have sold out so many in product placement I don't feel like seeing them.

Also the James Bond movies inspired Batman begins under the segment Batman Begins begins http://sequart.org/magazine/9929/the-road-to-christopher-nolans-batman-begins/

It was Goyer who solved the problem and came up with the specific foes. Nolan wanted someone who wouldn’t overshadow Batman, a criticism of the four previous films. He related Batman to James Bond: “I think the best of the Bond movies have… memorable villains, but Bond is always the center of the movie. That’s never been in dispute.”

What I was getting at, is Craig is close to the character that Fleming wrote. He captures many major aspects of him, and they blend it into modern day. The only aspect from BB in the Bond movies is Casino Royale being a reboot. That's all.

Well all this is kind of unimportant towards the statement that Batman Begins inspiried the new movies. Instead it was the original material.

#106 Edited by BatWatch (2721 posts) - - Show Bio

In my book, The Avengers and Iron Man both were way better than Batman Begins, and I'm not a Marvel fanboy by any means. In fact, I have a bit of an obsession with Bats.

I liked the plot of Batman Begins pretty well, but my big problem with it was that the action scenes sucked, and that's a pretty big flaw with an action movie. Bruce's training with Ra's was pretty good though nothing amazing, but there was not a single good fight scene starring Batman in the film. Most of the action happened off screen, and that annoyed me. We have the Tumbler scene which was pretty cool, and...that's it. Two pretty good action scenes in an action movie? Lame.

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#107 Posted by comicdude23 (11399 posts) - - Show Bio

BB is what inspired the reboot craze with Hollywood. Before BB it wasn't as excessive. Even Marvel movies such as 2008's 'The Incredible Hulk' took the reboot idea from BB. In fact, IIRC the director stated that BB was a good example. It created a new formula.

#108 Posted by Night Thrasher (3687 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicdude23: That's your opinion. To me I enjoyed BB but at some parts I was not completely "tuned in" whereas with Iron Man and Captain America (really all of the Avengers tie-ins) I couldn't miss a second. I think Dark Knight was exponentially better than BB.

#109 Posted by sinestro_GL (3143 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicdude23 said:

@sinestro_GL: It wasn't inspired by 'A Licence to Kill' as much as it was TDK.

http://screenrant.com/skyfall-interview-sam-mendes-james-bond-dark-knight/

On a side note - Skyfall was the best Bond ever.

A James bond film was more inspired by a Batman film than another James Bond film...riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight...@comicdude23 said:

@tupiaz said:

@comicdude23 said:

@sinestro_GL: It wasn't inspired by 'A Licence to Kill' as much as it was TDK.

http://screenrant.com/skyfall-interview-sam-mendes-james-bond-dark-knight/

On a side note - Skyfall was the best Bond ever.

The recent Bond movies had nothng to do with the character. Bond drinking beer in a high class society doesn't fit. Bond would also drink a English beer. The best bond there is has always been Sean Connery. You have taking everything out of the character to make him hip and modern.

@entropy_aegis:

Linking to wiki pages doesn't prove anything let alone the movie page alone So you have not back you statement up with any proves either.

Have you read the Bond novels?

Daniel Craig gets many aspects of the character RIGHT. Bond was a ruthless killer, that's what Craig is. He'll use women to get what he wants, he wasn't as smooth as Connery was actually. To make that comment is actually ridiculous, Craig's Bond has emotion to his character. We see how damaged as an individual he in in Skyfall. Craig's Bond is brutal.

Drinking beer doesn't change the fact that Craig got many aspects right. Bond isn't all this massive womanizer that Brosnan and Moore made him out to be, he's a ruthless killer. In Casino Royale, he in fact emotionally vulnerable and evolves as a character. To say he isn't true to the character, is a ridiculous statement.

It's actually very fair to say that the original Bond novels and the Bond films are quite different...but then again, how many films are entirely faithful to the novel?

#110 Posted by entropy_aegis (15312 posts) - - Show Bio

@tupiaz said:

@comicdude23 said:

@sinestro_GL: It wasn't inspired by 'A Licence to Kill' as much as it was TDK.

http://screenrant.com/skyfall-interview-sam-mendes-james-bond-dark-knight/

On a side note - Skyfall was the best Bond ever.

The recent Bond movies had nothng to do with the character. Bond drinking beer in a high class society doesn't fit. Bond would also drink a English beer. The best bond there is has always been Sean Connery. You have taking everything out of the character to make him hip and modern.

@entropy_aegis:

Linking to wiki pages doesn't prove anything let alone the movie page alone So you have not back you statement up with any proves either.

WOW nostalgia is strong,now I'm starting to believe that you have no clue about Bond either.@tupiaz said:

@comicdude23 said:

@sinestro_GL: It wasn't inspired by 'A Licence to Kill' as much as it was TDK.

http://screenrant.com/skyfall-interview-sam-mendes-james-bond-dark-knight/

On a side note - Skyfall was the best Bond ever.

The recent Bond movies had nothng to do with the character. Bond drinking beer in a high class society doesn't fit. Bond would also drink a English beer. The best bond there is has always been Sean Connery. You have taking everything out of the character to make him hip and modern.

@entropy_aegis:

Linking to wiki pages doesn't prove anything let alone the movie page alone So you have not back you statement up with any proves either.

My wiki post mentions the directors and actors by name,and nice of you to ignore the other link.

#111 Edited by entropy_aegis (15312 posts) - - Show Bio

@sinestro_GL said:

@comicdude23 said:

@sinestro_GL: It wasn't inspired by 'A Licence to Kill' as much as it was TDK.

http://screenrant.com/skyfall-interview-sam-mendes-james-bond-dark-knight/

On a side note - Skyfall was the best Bond ever.

A James bond film was more inspired by a Batman film than another James Bond film...riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight...@comicdude23 said:

@tupiaz said:

@comicdude23 said:

@sinestro_GL: It wasn't inspired by 'A Licence to Kill' as much as it was TDK.

http://screenrant.com/skyfall-interview-sam-mendes-james-bond-dark-knight/

On a side note - Skyfall was the best Bond ever.

The recent Bond movies had nothng to do with the character. Bond drinking beer in a high class society doesn't fit. Bond would also drink a English beer. The best bond there is has always been Sean Connery. You have taking everything out of the character to make him hip and modern.

@entropy_aegis:

Linking to wiki pages doesn't prove anything let alone the movie page alone So you have not back you statement up with any proves either.

Have you read the Bond novels?

Daniel Craig gets many aspects of the character RIGHT. Bond was a ruthless killer, that's what Craig is. He'll use women to get what he wants, he wasn't as smooth as Connery was actually. To make that comment is actually ridiculous, Craig's Bond has emotion to his character. We see how damaged as an individual he in in Skyfall. Craig's Bond is brutal.

Drinking beer doesn't change the fact that Craig got many aspects right. Bond isn't all this massive womanizer that Brosnan and Moore made him out to be, he's a ruthless killer. In Casino Royale, he in fact emotionally vulnerable and evolves as a character. To say he isn't true to the character, is a ridiculous statement.

It's actually very fair to say that the original Bond novels and the Bond films are quite different...but then again, how many films are entirely faithful to the novel?

Yeah except the director mentioned it himself.@tupiaz said:

@comicdude23: Nope I haven't read any of the novels. And notice I didn't comment on him being a womanizer or a brutal killer either. The new movies have sold out so many in product placement I don't feel like seeing them.

Also the James Bond movies inspired Batman begins under the segment Batman Begins begins http://sequart.org/magazine/9929/the-road-to-christopher-nolans-batman-begins/

It was Goyer who solved the problem and came up with the specific foes. Nolan wanted someone who wouldn’t overshadow Batman, a criticism of the four previous films. He related Batman to James Bond: “I think the best of the Bond movies have… memorable villains, but Bond is always the center of the movie. That’s never been in dispute.”

Good thing James Bond was never directed by Burton lol and yes Nolan himself has stated that he's a big Bond fan.

#112 Posted by tupiaz (2183 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: After 3 or 4 link was a wiki link I kind of didn't need to fact check you more. Using wiki as a source is an error and is not valid. You can use it to get background knowledege about a certain subject and get sources. But you can use it as a source it self. And I'm not going to read to entire pages because your sources wasn't good enough.

#113 Posted by entropy_aegis (15312 posts) - - Show Bio

@tupiaz said:

@entropy_aegis: After 3 or 4 link was a wiki link I kind of didn't need to fact check you more. Using wiki as a source is an error and is not valid. You can use it to get background knowledege about a certain subject and get sources. But you can use it as a source it self. And I'm not going to read to entire pages because your sources wasn't good enough.

Lame excuse,the movies and creators are mentioned by name,if you want an exact quote then go find it yourself.

#114 Posted by ccraft (5259 posts) - - Show Bio

I think it his voice for Batman that people hate, it doesn't really bother me. But I really want a new Batman, and new trilogy.

#115 Posted by RustyRoy (12670 posts) - - Show Bio

@ccraft said:

I think it his voice for Batman that people hate, it doesn't really bother me. But I really want a new Batman, and new trilogy.

I don't want it to be a trilogy, i want it to be a series like James Bond so that new actors and directors can continue from the last one. Anyway Karl Urban for the next Batman.

#116 Posted by tupiaz (2183 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

@tupiaz said:

@entropy_aegis: After 3 or 4 link was a wiki link I kind of didn't need to fact check you more. Using wiki as a source is an error and is not valid. You can use it to get background knowledege about a certain subject and get sources. But you can use it as a source it self. And I'm not going to read to entire pages because your sources wasn't good enough.

Lame excuse,the movies and creators are mentioned by name,if you want an exact quote then go find it yourself.

Clearly you don't know anything about research or how to prove a point. It s your job to prove your right not mine. It is your job to check out websites articles, not mine.Whatever you think that is lame or not I don't really care for.

#117 Posted by entropy_aegis (15312 posts) - - Show Bio

@tupiaz said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@tupiaz said:

@entropy_aegis: After 3 or 4 link was a wiki link I kind of didn't need to fact check you more. Using wiki as a source is an error and is not valid. You can use it to get background knowledege about a certain subject and get sources. But you can use it as a source it self. And I'm not going to read to entire pages because your sources wasn't good enough.

Lame excuse,the movies and creators are mentioned by name,if you want an exact quote then go find it yourself.

Clearly you don't know anything about research or how to prove a point. It s your job to prove your right not mine. It is your job to check out websites articles, not mine.Whatever you think that is lame or not I don't really care for.

Making excuses now,comicdude already posted the Mendes interview and I gave the Dark Knight effect link which has quotes from many creators.You want others go find it yourself,like I said the names and movies are mentioned.

#118 Edited by tupiaz (2183 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: Nothing except excuses. Not my fault you haven't learned how to fact check sources in school.

#119 Edited by comicdude23 (11399 posts) - - Show Bio

@sinestro_GL: Did you just ignore everything I posted? LOL. I already told you, his plan is VERY similar to The Joker's.

You ignore all evidence. It's got nothing to do with Licence to Kill/ Licence to Kill is like Quantum of Solace. Not Skyfall.

#120 Posted by consolemaster001 (5564 posts) - - Show Bio

It's the least best of the three. But still great !

#121 Posted by GalacticRavenous (350 posts) - - Show Bio

I think it is Because the movie is kinda slow and nothing happens on a long time but i loved it. People can't expect the best from movies.

#122 Posted by Onemoreposter (4047 posts) - - Show Bio

Begins is my favorite.

#123 Posted by redleader1 (506 posts) - - Show Bio

@tupiaz: so burton did not make it batman it was a strange film and plus batman killed it really has made fans angry even people who grew up with it cause it treated batman like the punisher.

#124 Posted by redleader1 (506 posts) - - Show Bio

@fatihbatman: uh the atmosphere in burtons felt more like a creepy horror movie than batman. Gotham did not feel like there was any people to protect unlike Nolan's. plus gotham should look like gothic architecture which this was not actually no film or show has had real gothic architecture in it.

#125 Edited by tupiaz (2183 posts) - - Show Bio

@redleader1 said:

@tupiaz: so burton did not make it batman it was a strange film and plus batman killed it really has made fans angry even people who grew up with it cause it treated batman like the punisher.

I'm not quite sure what you want to say? Anyway this is a nine month old topic, I think the topic ended back then.

#126 Posted by Wolverine08 (42169 posts) - - Show Bio

It's my favorite interpretation of Batman ever.

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#127 Posted by Fallschirmjager (17422 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Begins is a lot better than TDKR. (not TDK)

It just didn't show it in Box Office. Not sure why tbh, given its name is Batman. But 2005 was before the Superhero craze and there was a bad taste in people's mouths after Batman and Robin.

#128 Posted by LyraFay (2527 posts) - - Show Bio

It was so weird, I saw somebody on "Comic book movie," go "okay then you can pretend like Superman Returns or Batman Begins never happen." WTF! Batman Begins is one of my favourite movies and favourite superhero movies! It still looks good today as it did way back in 2005 and holds up very well. And you see directors and writers inspired by it today such as James Bond semi-reboot, Amazing Spiderman and even the movie version of the RDJ/Guy Ritche Sherlock Holmes movies!

Seriously best Batman movie thou!

#129 Posted by LyraFay (2527 posts) - - Show Bio

@tupiaz said:

@comicdude23: Nope I haven't read any of the novels. And notice I didn't comment on him being a womanizer or a brutal killer either. The new movies have sold out so many in product placement I don't feel like seeing them.

Also the James Bond movies inspired Batman begins under the segment Batman Begins begins http://sequart.org/magazine/9929/the-road-to-christopher-nolans-batman-begins/

It was Goyer who solved the problem and came up with the specific foes. Nolan wanted someone who wouldn’t overshadow Batman, a criticism of the four previous films. He related Batman to James Bond: “I think the best of the Bond movies have… memorable villains, but Bond is always the center of the movie. That’s never been in dispute.”

Hello, hello who helped out with those foes?!

#130 Edited by Yung ANcient One (4799 posts) - - Show Bio

Because, a majority of the "new" fans of the Nolan Trilogy did not care to watch Batman Begins because it was "another batman movie." However, the unfortunate death of Heath Ledger gained a lot of "new" fans to want to watch Nolan's Batman.

So, The Dark Knight Rises was a hit because most "new" fans started watching Nolan's Trilogy when the second one came out. Naturally, Batman Begins gets overlooked.

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#131 Posted by tupiaz (2183 posts) - - Show Bio

@lyrafay said:

@tupiaz said:

@comicdude23: Nope I haven't read any of the novels. And notice I didn't comment on him being a womanizer or a brutal killer either. The new movies have sold out so many in product placement I don't feel like seeing them.

Also the James Bond movies inspired Batman begins under the segment Batman Begins begins http://sequart.org/magazine/9929/the-road-to-christopher-nolans-batman-begins/

It was Goyer who solved the problem and came up with the specific foes. Nolan wanted someone who wouldn’t overshadow Batman, a criticism of the four previous films. He related Batman to James Bond: “I think the best of the Bond movies have… memorable villains, but Bond is always the center of the movie. That’s never been in dispute.”

Hello, hello who helped out with those foes?!

You could read the section Batman begins. However the answer is David S. Goyer.

#132 Posted by Transformers1024 (1893 posts) - - Show Bio

I like Marvels films a lot more. The studios at Marvel takes risks unlike DC, who is afraid to do risks. Also Marvel proves that you can make good superhero films that can be completely unrealistic. A majority of DC films aren't. The only movie I truely love from DC is Watchmen.

#133 Posted by patrat18 (9745 posts) - - Show Bio

I like Marvels films a lot more. The studios at Marvel takes risks unlike DC, who is afraid to do risks. Also Marvel proves that you can make good superhero films that can be completely unrealistic. A majority of DC films aren't. The only movie I truely love from DC is Watchmen.

Jonah Hex, Watchmen, Catwoman, Green lantern. Yea you're right they don't take risk.

#134 Posted by DoctorXander (1131 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicdude23: Batman Begins is about Batman confronting his fear, represented by Scarecrow's fear gas

The Dark Knight is about Batman battling chaos, represented by Joker, an agent of chaos

Dark Knight Rises is about Batman overcoming pain, represented by Bane being in a state of perpetual pain unless his mask is on.

The Nolan movies have intense themes

#135 Posted by reaverlation (15837 posts) - - Show Bio

Begins is better than Rises.It was an excellent way of starting Batman again and it had Liam freaking Neeson

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