Why do Batman fans hate Hal Jordan?

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#101 Posted by consolemaster001 (5322 posts) - - Show Bio

They're both awesome

#102 Posted by entropy_aegis (15251 posts) - - Show Bio

Here's how it happened,Hal Jordan(who was prick with zero personality) became insane and destroyed the GL corps,he even recreated the universe.Batman hates criminals and scum so it was natural for him to hate a megalomaniac even if that megalomaniac was formerly a hero,ofcourse you could say Batman was being harsh and unsympathetic,even douchey towards Hal and I'd fully agree with you.Still they did have an interesting dynamic if nothing else,neither was an angel.

The real problem started with Geoffcon man,he comes on board and dismisses everything Hal did(it was a giant yellow cockroach),next thing you know Batman is a useless moron who's hating on saintly Hal Jordan,dont you get it HAL IS A HERO THE COCKROACH DID IT,HE'S BLOODY AWESOME,BATMAN SUCKS JORDAN THE GREATEST OF THEM ALL,HE FEARS NO ONE... and he still doesn't have a personality.Simply put us Batfans dont take kindly to a biased writer who's done everything he could to convince everyone why Jordan is a brilliant character but never bothered to make him remotely interesting.

#103 Posted by entropy_aegis (15251 posts) - - Show Bio

@squalleon: Not true at all,Diana owned Batman in Hikeateia ( spelling) I dont see Bat fans hating on her.

Truth is Johns took a lousy character and tried to build him up at the expense of a vastly superior one and still failed.

#104 Edited by Teerack (5876 posts) - - Show Bio

Why do people make such nonexistent connections?

#105 Edited by ULTRAstarkiller (6120 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't......he is a douche though.

#106 Posted by batmannflash (6215 posts) - - Show Bio

they do?

I'm a Batman fan and I like Jordan.

#107 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

@squalleon: Not true at all,Diana owned Batman in Hikeateia ( spelling) I dont see Bat fans hating on her.

Truth is Johns took a lousy character and tried to build him up at the expense of a vastly superior one and still failed.

I hate her for that. Imagine if Superman beat up Huntress. People wouldn't be saying "oh it was such a great showing of masculine perseverance". The hypocrisy of that whole thing really irks me.

#108 Edited by Lvenger (19387 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm a Batman fan and I like Jordan.

This for me too. Batman's my second favourite but Jordan is my 4th favourite. Johns can write him douchily though e.g His New 52 Justice League run.

#109 Posted by evilvegeta74 (4527 posts) - - Show Bio

Because Hal slugged Batman in GL Rebirth, it was an epic moment, ask Guy Gardner!

#110 Edited by Squalleon (4567 posts) - - Show Bio

@fadetoblackbolt said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@squalleon: Not true at all,Diana owned Batman in Hikeateia ( spelling) I dont see Bat fans hating on her.

Truth is Johns took a lousy character and tried to build him up at the expense of a vastly superior one and still failed.

I hate her for that. Imagine if Superman beat up Huntress. People wouldn't be saying "oh it was such a great showing of masculine perseverance". The hypocrisy of that whole thing really irks me.

Hehe.

@entropy_aegis

I actually like both characters(i like Hal more) but i believe this moment in particular is what made the first Hal vs Bruce moment.It was like a beginning of a war and this was the first hit.

Johns really does undermine A-listers but i like him as a writer and i am willing to forgive him.

For example i loved Throne of Atlantis even though he undermined Superman so much.And i am a huge Superman Fan.

@fadetoblackbolt

Some times this whole fake "progress" of humanity disgusts me.

It seems that the balance is off but this time from the other side if you get what i mean.

#111 Posted by GeekyEverAfter (345 posts) - - Show Bio

My love for Batman has nothing to do with me 'disliking' Hal Jordan, hes just too arrogant for me.

#112 Edited by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

@squalleon: I really don't think the hit in Rebirth matters that much in the fact that it was Batman being hit. Batman gets hit all the time and no one cares, it was the fact it was totally unnecessary and a sign of both poor writing and a lack of integrity on Johns' behalf. He hates Batman, everyone knows that. And so he decides to take a classic joke from a 15 year old series and chance in order to show how cool Hal is, and why not trusting a guy who committed genocide (manipulated or not, there was still some Hal in there) is utterly wrong. It was just bad writing.

Naturally, Bat-haters say that Batman fans are offended and uppity, but that's not true, the fact is it's just a very poorly written scene.

And I don't hate Hal Jordan, I hate Johns' Jordan, who went from Gary Stu to butt monkey once Johns lost interest and wanted to fellate Sinestro.

#113 Edited by Squalleon (4567 posts) - - Show Bio

@fadetoblackbolt: Well as i said i don't like when Johns does that(undermine characters for the sake of others)
But i thought this was why Bat-Fans don't like Hal.I don't really know any other reason for people to hate Hal.
He was awesome in most of the stories i have read with him (ex.New frontier,sinestro corps,revenge of Black Hand,No fear)
Yeah he was a douche in New 52 JL.But in the first arc everyone felt off(batman showing his face,superman attacking without asking,darkseid coming to earth without a reason).....yeah the first arc was kinda bad :-P

Venditti seems to do a good job with the character.Haven't read his issues but i like what i see.

#114 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

@squalleon: The problem with Johns' Hal is that he's awesome.

That's it. That's his personality.

He's awesome.

Don't believe he's awesome? Well you're wrong, and various characters will tell you multiple times through any single arc.

#115 Edited by Squalleon (4567 posts) - - Show Bio

@fadetoblackbolt: Well....true.
But maybe thats what the GL Franchise needed to survive.
Exept maybe No fear i don't remember any character evolution but i haven't read much of Johns GL so i don't know.But I know that he is likeable that's what i mean i don't see why people won't like him.

#116 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13005 posts) - - Show Bio

@squalleon: I really don't think the hit in Rebirth matters that much in the fact that it was Batman being hit. Batman gets hit all the time and no one cares, it was the fact it was totally unnecessary and a sign of both poor writing and a lack of integrity on Johns' behalf. He hates Batman, everyone knows that. And so he decides to take a classic joke from a 15 year old series and chance in order to show how cool Hal is, and why not trusting a guy who committed genocide (manipulated or not, there was still some Hal in there) is utterly wrong. It was just bad writing.

Naturally, Bat-haters say that Batman fans are offended and uppity, but that's not true, the fact is it's just a very poorly written scene.

And I don't hate Hal Jordan, I hate Johns' Jordan, who went from Gary Stu to butt monkey once Johns lost interest and wanted to fellate Sinestro.

Dont forget Cyborg and Aquaman

#117 Edited by Avenging-X-Bolt (13005 posts) - - Show Bio

@squalleon: The problem with Johns' Hal is that he's awesome.

That's it. That's his personality.

He's awesome.

Don't believe he's awesome? Well you're wrong, and various characters will tell you multiple times through any single arc.

pretty much. although it does seem to be doing a lot more for him in terms of popularity then DC's previous attempts at giving him depth. i've been reading around online and it turns out that alot of Hal fans who actually read his stories in GL volume 3 really liked them because Hal seemed like a true character with flaws but at the same time was getting his life back on track, sadly so many Hal fans had been turned off in recent years by DC just swamping him with flaws but not really showing any redeeming qualities (Keith Giffen turning him into a drunk driver was a big one).

for so many Hal Jordan writers, it seems that fans have to choose between everything that is good about Hal or everything that is bad about him. on one and you Green Arrow constantly telling Hal what a racist scumbag he is, on the other you have Barry constantly praising him.

#118 Posted by TDK_1997 (14718 posts) - - Show Bio

I am a big fan of Batman and he is my favorite character but I don't hate Hal Jordan.

#119 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13005 posts) - - Show Bio

Here's how it happened,Hal Jordan(who was prick with zero personality) became insane and destroyed the GL corps,he even recreated the universe.Batman hates criminals and scum so it was natural for him to hate a megalomaniac even if that megalomaniac was formerly a hero,ofcourse you could say Batman was being harsh and unsympathetic,even douchey towards Hal and I'd fully agree with you.Still they did have an interesting dynamic if nothing else,neither was an angel.

The real problem started with Geoffcon man,he comes on board and dismisses everything Hal did(it was a giant yellow cockroach),next thing you know Batman is a useless moron who's hating on saintly Hal Jordan,dont you get it HAL IS A HERO THE COCKROACH DID IT,HE'S BLOODY AWESOME,BATMAN SUCKS JORDAN THE GREATEST OF THEM ALL,HE FEARS NO ONE... and he still doesn't have a personality.Simply put us Batfans dont take kindly to a biased writer who's done everything he could to convince everyone why Jordan is a brilliant character but never bothered to make him remotely interesting.

no personality is an oxymoron. everyone has one even if you dont enjoy it.

#120 Edited by misterbate316 (9 posts) - - Show Bio

cause they are emo. they hate everything.

#123 Posted by Eddgeric (10 posts) - - Show Bio

ZERO PERSONALITY , Hal Jordan has an Alpha-male Like personality and I get it that it makes you angry that bats got punched by a guy with no martial arts talent I know how infuriating it is, that's how it was for me when I was watching/reading the Dark Knight Returns, when Batman tanks SEVERAL hits he shouldn't have from superman. He took hits he shouldn't have been able to... but it just goes to show that bad writing happens sometimes and it sucks, but that's no reason to say that Hal has no personality , because that's just plain ignorance :P

#124 Edited by LordoftheNorth (1362 posts) - - Show Bio

like most people said the main problem is Geoff Johns He took a simple differance of point of view and attatude between Batman and Hal than blow it out of preportions. Making Batman out to be a douchebag but at the same time he throw Hal a big ol pity party even thou the guy had just commited genocide and it dosnt help Geoff John continues to fan the flames of Batfan hate even to this day. Thou to be fair to Geoff Johns they also pushed the same kind of BS with Green Arrow but atleast Green Arrow never had some PIS punch

#125 Edited by MatteoPG (1927 posts) - - Show Bio

It amazes me that people are so upset about that punch. We all know Batman is the best hand to hand fighter and has way more training. The punch was written to underline Hal's outrage and what he thought of Batman, but also it was put there to show that he has no way of defending himself with words... it's not like Hal was trated kindly even though it was partly Parallax's fault. His guilt stuck with him for years. The punch was a cry of desperation on Hal's part.

I don't think that Johns was sitting at his desk and cheering like a baby moron: "YEah, take that. That'll show Batman fans that Hal is the coolest most awesomest character ever!"

Only fanboys make that kind of reasoning when reading a moment like that.

#126 Posted by PapiNacho (2377 posts) - - Show Bio

@matteopg: More than just the punch it is the sheer disrespect he shows in the JL comics. Like @eddgeric said: sure the punch was personally upsetting but it is a GL comic. The JL isn't Batman shouldn't have problems getting back at him. Also when it comes to Johns it's not that he hates Batman, its more like he thinks Batman is just some dude in a costume who has serious attitude problems.

#127 Edited by MatteoPG (1927 posts) - - Show Bio

@papinacho: yeah, I heard that argument before. I just don't see it all that much. Sure, he may not write him overly well, but the same could be said about other writers regarding GL and WW, which I love, but still I don't feel like he's trying to actively insult the character... what I mean is that the outrage seems a little over the top, that's all.

#128 Edited by PeppeyHare (4310 posts) - - Show Bio

Comic fans are just the best

#129 Edited by MatteoPG (1927 posts) - - Show Bio
#130 Posted by The_Titan_Lord (5241 posts) - - Show Bio

I didn't know they did.

Maybe it's because Hal isn't afraid of Bruce.

#131 Posted by RustyRoy (12045 posts) - - Show Bio

@powerherc said:

I didn't know they did.

Maybe it's because Hal isn't afraid of Bruce.

Neither is WW or MM or most of the heroes.....

#132 Edited by LordoftheNorth (1362 posts) - - Show Bio

@matteopg: Than you havent read Batman Earth One if thats not a direct insult i dont know what is

#133 Edited by lifeofvibe (3473 posts) - - Show Bio

Its either Johns has a problem with batman or hals a person who thinks batman overated

Don't care hate both

#134 Posted by MrTummyTumms (447 posts) - - Show Bio

Lets be honest if you meet someone like either of these guys in real life you'd think they were pricks

I know this is a VERY old post, but this made me laugh so hard.

#135 Edited by conradoaccorsi (297 posts) - - Show Bio

@eddgeric said:

ZERO PERSONALITY , Hal Jordan has an Alpha-male Like personality and I get it that it makes you angry that bats got punched by a guy with no martial arts talent I know how infuriating it is, that's how it was for me when I was watching/reading the Dark Knight Returns, when Batman tanks SEVERAL hits he shouldn't have from superman. He took hits he shouldn't have been able to... but it just goes to show that bad writing happens sometimes and it sucks, but that's no reason to say that Hal has no personality , because that's just plain ignorance :P

Have you ever read The Dark Knight Returns? Or you've just turned pages to see the end? The whole thing is that superman is a government pussy who was holding back and didn't want to kill the man who once was his greatest friend while Batman was just wanting to last until he could fake his death and get away like a boss.

#136 Edited by Eddgeric (10 posts) - - Show Bio

@conradoaccorsi: lol dont disrespect my favorite boy scout like that , and yes he peobably was holding back he wouldnt work for the government . ever. im just making a point saying that some characters outshine others in specific comic situations, and thats never gonna change like when deathstroke stabbed wally and managed to some how crush all of kyle rayners fingers with physical force, from a guy with the most powerful weapon in the universe!! it was badass, but still there was PIS

#137 Edited by LordoftheNorth (1362 posts) - - Show Bio

@eddgeric: Well the differance between thous two moments are that Batman and Superman's fight looked like Batman actualy through everything he had at Superman playing to his skills and abilities that but it wasnt just full of Batman beating on Sups we shall Batman get injured and Batman since was wearing a suit we can give him a little room when it comes to taking punched from Superman

but Deathstroke's fight it can only labed as PIS not becuase "what" happened but "how" it happened. See before when Deathstroke fought guys like the Teen Titans he jumped around using all his skills and his abilities not only that but he actualy got injured but when he faced the JL he completely stomped them with little effort i cant even remember him getting hit once in that fight. Its the same problem with the villian N.O.W.H.E.R.E in the new titans books

#138 Posted by Avenger85 (1631 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm totally pissed they made Deathstroke into a total pussy in the videogames and now canon. That guy > Batman. In terms of hand-to-hand combat, weapons, strategy, everything.

#139 Edited by SilverPool (1392 posts) - - Show Bio

I love both characters. I think maybe people don't like him because in Rebirth Hal has a punch on Batman, which probably shouldn't/couldn't have happened for obvious reasons. I don't see why people would hate Hal for it, it's Geoff Johns fault, he makes Batman into a useless dick throughout the story, who does nothing but pester Hal.

Like TDKR with Superman it's a writer making a character look bad for the benefit of another.

#140 Posted by LordoftheNorth (1362 posts) - - Show Bio

@avenger85:

Hand to hand - Batman has traveled the world mastering every martial art and turn his body into the penical of humanity.Deathstroke was trained by the military but Deathstrokes also enhanced abilites and with his military training can use his abilities to their fullest

Weapons - Deathstroke has standard military gear guns(which are useless since Batman dodges bullets), knives, explosives and a sword. Batman has a garpel gun, batarangs that come in many forms from explosive acid sonic etc,etc

Strategy - Batman not only has made plans to take out the whole of the JL but he also has been the leader of the most power teams in the world. Deathstroke has beaten the teen titans and had 1 PIS victory over the JL

really these two are a good match of each other so i have no problem if its written well for Batman to beat Deathstroke

if their is any thing you should be upset about it is his treatment in the new ARGUS book i mean he was beat by freaking Trevor someone Deathstroke should murderstomp

#141 Posted by Onemoreposter (4030 posts) - - Show Bio

@jade1977 said:

I still don't understand why Batman fans hate Hal Jordan so much. All Hal ever did to Batman was punch him in GL: Rebirth, and Batman did the same to Hal in Green Lantern 9. The Joker crippled one of Batman's sidekicks and beat another to death with a crowbar, and I don't see people hating on the Joker. Two-Face nearly beat Dick Grayson to death with a baseball bat, and I don't see much hating on him, either.

Personally, Kyler Rayner is my favorite lantern and one of my favorite characters. Hal was a close second to him. I have a sterling silver CORPS ring. I have some trades. I've read ALL of GL vol.3 and almost the entirety of GL vol.2 including ground breaking series like Emerald Dawn and Emerald Dawn II.

I don't hate Hal Jordan. I hate Geoff Johns. He jobs Batman constantly and (IMO) wreaks havoc on the GL mythos. I know many hail him as one the premier comic book writers of the last decade, but imo he's been awful for both Batman and GL.

#142 Edited by sinestro_GL (3127 posts) - - Show Bio

Jeez...this topic again?

Bat-fans at their finest.

But before you go all ape-shit, yes, Batman was written like a total tool in Rebirth, but honestly, you guys need to learn how to let go of an even that happened almost 10 years ago.

#143 Posted by RustyRoy (12045 posts) - - Show Bio

Jeez...this topic again?

Bat-fans at their finest.

But before you go all ape-shit, yes, Batman was written like a total tool in Rebirth, but honestly, you guys need to learn how to let go of an even that happened almost 10 years ago.

This thread is more than 4 years old and possibly a Jordan fan created it.

#144 Posted by sinestro_GL (3127 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy said:

@sinestro_gl said:

Jeez...this topic again?

Bat-fans at their finest.

But before you go all ape-shit, yes, Batman was written like a total tool in Rebirth, but honestly, you guys need to learn how to let go of an even that happened almost 10 years ago.

This thread is more than 4 years old and possibly a Jordan fan created it.

But the fact that it keeps resurfacing is total BS

#145 Edited by Constantine (16046 posts) - - Show Bio

I love Batman and I don't hate Hal Jordan, I actually quite like him. I guess it's an opinion thing, and occasionally a petty thing.

#146 Posted by waezi2 (7209 posts) - - Show Bio

I was never a Hal fan, mostly because I thought he was kind of a ass.

#147 Posted by Jayc1324 (11745 posts) - - Show Bio

Because Hal was a prick to batman in justice league origins

#148 Edited by gettogaara (164 posts) - - Show Bio

I didn't even know they did. If anything, Batman fans seem to hate Superman most of the time and vice versa.

Maybe it's because of how Hal acted towards Bats early in New 52 JL or maybe it's because*Raises flame shield* if Bruce ever got a ring he'd probably make a better lantern than Hal.

#149 Posted by Avenger85 (1631 posts) - - Show Bio

cuz he sux

#150 Posted by Experio (15449 posts) - - Show Bio

Hals my favorite, but that doesnt mean I hate bruce

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