who thinks that Batman inc should be cut out of continuity?

#1 Edited by Eternal19 (2076 posts) - - Show Bio

First of, im not a Morrison hater I have enjoyed the majority of his batman run. I even enjoyed the batman inc series even though I didn't agree with the idea. But, the problem with batman inc is that it doesn't make any sense.

hare are my reasons:

1.its out of character for batman: batman is supposed to be an incredibly paranoid person who will go at every length to make sure that no one can potentially hurt the bat-family. why would bruce put his life as batman at risk by saying that he funds batman.

2.It makes his villians seem idiotic: Bruce wayne says that he funds batman, but most of his villians haven't directly tried to destroy him in order to get to batman. Realistically if a high level criminal found out that someone was funding someone who is a direct threat to him, he would eliminate that threat immediately.

3. Why would batman need to create a team of D-list heroes to fight Leviathan when he has access to the Teen Titans, the justice League, the outsiders etc.

#2 Edited by War Killer (20294 posts) - - Show Bio

I think it should. Really, along with other titles like Green Lantern, I feel that when DC rebooted they should have completely rebooted everything. I find the fact that Batman and Green Lantern still having ties to the pre-Flashpoint DCU makes those titles both confusing and harder for new readers to get into.

That's one of the issues I have with Batman, Inc. as it's still connected to the previous Batman, Inc. series before the reboot. Even in the New 52 series, there are still references to the previous DCU such as Batman's death, which apparently still stands in the DCnU.

#3 Posted by The Stegman (26114 posts) - - Show Bio

I say yes, besides little mentions here and there, it hasn't really been acknowledged in any other Bat title (not including Batwing) the idea itself isn't that great, and honestly, when reading it, I couldn't care less about the various Batmen of different countries. It's a good idea for a Elseworlds tale, but it shouldn't be in established continuity.

#5 Posted by sinestro_GL (3323 posts) - - Show Bio

I always hated the idea of Batman Inc. - an international network of Batmen sponsored by Bruce Wayne...jeez.

Things from the Silver Age should stay in the Silver Age.

#6 Posted by entropy_aegis (15479 posts) - - Show Bio

I fail to understand what that will accomplish,the story was written had impact(Damian's death), and finally concluded it's run by reverting back to the status quo,what exactly will removing it from continuity accomplish? The 2 problems that people have with INC are Bruce's announcement, and new fans complaining about it's links to the previous continuity(f*ck them)that's really it,so when you come down to it no I dont wanna see a good story that introduced diverse,new characters,plot lines and concepts bulldozed to satisfy wishes of a bunch of morons who have led comics to the cesspool of stagnation and unoriginality.

Now as far as the villains are concerned you should know that all of Batman's major and deadly adversaries already know his secret(Ra's,Joker,Bane),the ones who dont like Croc,Freeze and Clayface etc will never figure it out ever cause they are idiots,and that's that.

Your third point makes no sense to me,by that logic Batman should retire and hand over Gotham to Dr Fate.

#7 Posted by The_Tree (7990 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: Bravo. I hate it when companies pander to the lazy and stupid. That's how you get the New 52.

#8 Posted by RustyRoy (14044 posts) - - Show Bio

I fail to understand what that will accomplish,the story was written had impact(Damian's death), and finally concluded it's run by reverting back to the status quo,what exactly will removing it from continuity accomplish? The 2 problems that people have with INC are Bruce's announcement, and new fans complaining about it's links to the previous continuity(f*ck them)that's really it,so when you come down to it no I dont wanna see a good story that introduced diverse,new characters,plot lines and concepts bulldozed to satisfy wishes of a bunch of morons who have led comics to the cesspool of stagnation and unoriginality.

Now as far as the villains are concerned you should know that all of Batman's major and deadly adversaries already know his secret(Ra's,Joker,Bane),the ones who dont like Croc,Freeze and Clayface etc will never figure it out ever cause they are idiots,and that's that.

Your third point makes no sense to me,by that logic Batman should retire and hand over Gotham to Dr Fate.

Completely agree.

#9 Edited by TDK_1997 (15123 posts) - - Show Bio

I fail to understand what that will accomplish,the story was written had impact(Damian's death), and finally concluded it's run by reverting back to the status quo,what exactly will removing it from continuity accomplish? The 2 problems that people have with INC are Bruce's announcement, and new fans complaining about it's links to the previous continuity(f*ck them)that's really it,so when you come down to it no I dont wanna see a good story that introduced diverse,new characters,plot lines and concepts bulldozed to satisfy wishes of a bunch of morons who have led comics to the cesspool of stagnation and unoriginality.

Now as far as the villains are concerned you should know that all of Batman's major and deadly adversaries already know his secret(Ra's,Joker,Bane),the ones who dont like Croc,Freeze and Clayface etc will never figure it out ever cause they are idiots,and that's that.

Your third point makes no sense to me,by that logic Batman should retire and hand over Gotham to Dr Fate.

Best post for this topic.

#10 Edited by Lvenger (21284 posts) - - Show Bio

I fail to understand what that will accomplish,the story was written had impact(Damian's death), and finally concluded it's run by reverting back to the status quo,what exactly will removing it from continuity accomplish? The 2 problems that people have with INC are Bruce's announcement, and new fans complaining about it's links to the previous continuity(f*ck them)that's really it,so when you come down to it no I dont wanna see a good story that introduced diverse,new characters,plot lines and concepts bulldozed to satisfy wishes of a bunch of morons who have led comics to the cesspool of stagnation and unoriginality.

Now as far as the villains are concerned you should know that all of Batman's major and deadly adversaries already know his secret(Ra's,Joker,Bane),the ones who dont like Croc,Freeze and Clayface etc will never figure it out ever cause they are idiots,and that's that.

Your third point makes no sense to me,by that logic Batman should retire and hand over Gotham to Dr Fate.

A very well written post mate and I agree for the most part but you have to admit that Inc, particularly the New 52 volume lacked the punch and creativity of Morrison's pre Inc run.

#11 Posted by MasterDetective (863 posts) - - Show Bio

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#12 Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee (12674 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think it should be erased from continuity or anything, but I do say that I didn't like the idea of it. It reminded me too much of when Morrison created X-Corp, or whatever its called, when he was writing New X-Men. Call me crazy but the idea of it was essentially the same and I think that's what bothered me the most. I could never get into Batman, INC because of that despite me acknowledging that INC has had some great stories that turned into a full circle type deal. But now it's done and over with, will probably be more forgotten than not, so it's whatever at this point.

#13 Edited by Eternal19 (2076 posts) - - Show Bio

I fail to understand what that will accomplish,the story was written had impact(Damian's death), and finally concluded it's run by reverting back to the status quo,what exactly will removing it from continuity accomplish? The 2 problems that people have with INC are Bruce's announcement, and new fans complaining about it's links to the previous continuity(f*ck them)that's really it,so when you come down to it no I dont wanna see a good story that introduced diverse,new characters,plot lines and concepts bulldozed to satisfy wishes of a bunch of morons who have led comics to the cesspool of stagnation and unoriginality.

Now as far as the villains are concerned you should know that all of Batman's major and deadly adversaries already know his secret(Ra's,Joker,Bane),the ones who dont like Croc,Freeze and Clayface etc will never figure it out ever cause they are idiots,and that's that.

Your third point makes no sense to me,by that logic Batman should retire and hand over Gotham to Dr Fate.

Most of those characters aren't going to be used again and weren't that interesting in the first place. If you are going to make up a new idea at least have it make sense. The idea that bruce would do that doesn't make any sense to me. Damians death didn't satisfy me in the first place. It felt forced and took away the potential for future stories involving the character.

What about Riddler, Penguin, and Two-face. Why haven't these characters gotten involved? all it does is lead to more problems.

Thats not what I meant. if Leviathan was supposed to be a global threat, why would bruce waste time going around the world recruiting heroes when he can just call up the Teen Titans. Bruce can handle gotham himself.

#14 Posted by RulerOfThisUniverse (6366 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, it really should.

#15 Posted by havoc1201 (522 posts) - - Show Bio

I think it should be erased from history not just continuity. It links silver and golden age batman to today which we are told that the golden and silver age heroes are not from our earth. Then Bruce Wayne says he backs batman with money and tech while he holds the press conference dick Tim and Damian are on stage with Bruce pretty close tie to batman red robin nightwing and robin, but hey I'm just glad it's over, don't get me wrong I love morrisons older stuff I just couldn't get past the fact the whole concept of batman inc was so weak and well horrible.

#16 Edited by entropy_aegis (15479 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

I fail to understand what that will accomplish,the story was written had impact(Damian's death), and finally concluded it's run by reverting back to the status quo,what exactly will removing it from continuity accomplish? The 2 problems that people have with INC are Bruce's announcement, and new fans complaining about it's links to the previous continuity(f*ck them)that's really it,so when you come down to it no I dont wanna see a good story that introduced diverse,new characters,plot lines and concepts bulldozed to satisfy wishes of a bunch of morons who have led comics to the cesspool of stagnation and unoriginality.

Now as far as the villains are concerned you should know that all of Batman's major and deadly adversaries already know his secret(Ra's,Joker,Bane),the ones who dont like Croc,Freeze and Clayface etc will never figure it out ever cause they are idiots,and that's that.

Your third point makes no sense to me,by that logic Batman should retire and hand over Gotham to Dr Fate.

Most of those characters aren't going to be used again and weren't that interesting in the first place. If you are going to make up a new idea at least have it make sense. The idea that bruce would do that doesn't make any sense to me. Damians death didn't satisfy me in the first place. It felt forced and took away the potential for future stories involving the character.

What about Riddler, Penguin, and Two-face. Why haven't these characters gotten involved? all it does is lead to more problems.

Thats not what I meant. if Leviathan was supposed to be a global threat, why would bruce waste time going around the world recruiting heroes when he can just call up the Teen Titans. Bruce can handle gotham himself.

Have you um actually read the story? every single point you've brought up has already been addressed,Batman INC v1#6 gives us the answer to how Bruce keeps his identity secret,the last few issues of INC go in to extreme depth to show us the consequences of Bruce's actions,Batman INC DOESN'T exist any more,it was disbanded immediately after Damian's death. As for the characters not being interesting that's your opinion,I like Jiro,Hood and Nightrunner,Batwing also got an ongoing now that's a fact,so did Knight and Squire while we're at it.

Why didn't Bruce call in the JLA during Legacy? or Knightfall? or infact every Ra's story? and it was actually explained with in the comic too,the Outsiders were a part of INC and Leviathan had meta weapons to handle metahumans (they owned the predecessors to the Ultramarine corps I believe).

#17 Posted by entropy_aegis (15479 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@entropy_aegis said:

I fail to understand what that will accomplish,the story was written had impact(Damian's death), and finally concluded it's run by reverting back to the status quo,what exactly will removing it from continuity accomplish? The 2 problems that people have with INC are Bruce's announcement, and new fans complaining about it's links to the previous continuity(f*ck them)that's really it,so when you come down to it no I dont wanna see a good story that introduced diverse,new characters,plot lines and concepts bulldozed to satisfy wishes of a bunch of morons who have led comics to the cesspool of stagnation and unoriginality.

Now as far as the villains are concerned you should know that all of Batman's major and deadly adversaries already know his secret(Ra's,Joker,Bane),the ones who dont like Croc,Freeze and Clayface etc will never figure it out ever cause they are idiots,and that's that.

Your third point makes no sense to me,by that logic Batman should retire and hand over Gotham to Dr Fate.

A very well written post mate and I agree for the most part but you have to admit that Inc, particularly the New 52 volume lacked the punch and creativity of Morrison's pre Inc run.

Indeed,it was mediocre TBH.

#18 Posted by TheFirstLantern (1510 posts) - - Show Bio

@eternal19: Admit it, you just want Damian Back :D

#19 Posted by BigCimmerian (8887 posts) - - Show Bio

First of, im not a Morrison hater I have enjoyed the majority of his batman run. I even enjoyed the batman inc series even though I didn't agree with the idea. But, the problem with batman inc is that it doesn't make any sense.

hare are my reasons:

1.its out of character for batman: batman is supposed to be an incredibly paranoid person who will go at every length to make sure that no one can potentially hurt the bat-family. why would bruce put his life as batman at risk by saying that he funds batman.

2.It makes his villians seem idiotic: Bruce wayne says that he funds batman, but most of his villians haven't directly tried to destroy him in order to get to batman. Realistically if a high level criminal found out that someone was funding someone who is a direct threat to him, he would eliminate that threat immediately.

3. Why would batman need to create a team of D-list heroes to fight Leviathan when he has access to the Teen Titans, the justice League, the outsiders etc.

He should've put Damian into Justice League watchtower and have Superman and Diana watch over him if he cares about his son.

#20 Posted by BigCimmerian (8887 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: So Bats saw Leviathan as threat to his allies in Outsiders, Justice League and Teen Titans?

#21 Posted by Jayc1324 (13566 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree with your reasons but I think it should still be in continuity. New 52 canon is screwed up bad already anyway.

Actually the only reason I think it should be in continuity is because that's the only place we've seen talia since the reboot, and it was a really good story. What's really confusing is how bruce has a ten year old son and in the new 52 he's only been batman five years.

It's also confusing how batman went through knightfall, no mans land, the long Halloween, year one, and all of morrison's run in five years- see, the continuity is already screwed

#22 Edited by TheCheeseStabber (8062 posts) - - Show Bio

If Bat-Cow is erased from Continuity I give up.

#23 Edited by Dernman (15813 posts) - - Show Bio

YES YES PLEASE YES! The very concept itself was an abomination that should never have happened.

#24 Posted by MaccyD (5111 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324: I think Zero year has replaced Year One. Snyder himself said that Year One no longer made sense in the New 52.

#25 Edited by Jayc1324 (13566 posts) - - Show Bio

@maccyd: Year one was definitely 10 times better than zero year but i think that some parts of it are still canon. What alse doesnt make sense is how Bruce has a 10 year old son in a 5 year timeline. Like i said the whole continuity is screwed.

#27 Posted by lifeofvibe (3514 posts) - - Show Bio
#28 Posted by Dud317 (298 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324: in the most recent Fatman on Batman, Snyder said that DC came to him about Zero Year, originally Year Zero. Capullo had the idea to change it to Zero Year. Snyder said that with the new 5-year plan, a number of things in Year One don't pan out as they used to. He made a few points, the most notable being that James Jr. would be much younger.

While I'm on it, I know people are hating on the Zero Year spanning multiple titles. According to Snyder, this was DC's idea as well. Snyder originally wanted a contained story, but with pressure from DC, he left it up to the other writers to whether or not they would participate.

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