Bruce Wayne, who witnessed the murder of his billionaire parents as a child, swore to avenge their deaths. He trained extensively to achieve mental and physical perfection, mastering martial arts, detective skills, and criminal psychology. Costumed as a bat to prey on the fears of criminals, and utilizing a high-tech arsenal, he became the legendary Batman.
I'm curious, minus bane who else has bested or at least drawed batman in random encounters when batman was unaware of the oppositions abilities?
- Deathstroke, Shiva, Jason, and the list goes on.
The only one corrected is Deathstroke.
Jason beat a holding back Batman with prep,and the best Shiva has done is stalemating him.
- " A holding back Batman" is your opinion.
- Additionally, you are ignorant of the details surrounding the New 52 encounter as they have not been revealed yet. Get over it.
- Shiva has handed Bruce his ass, and is superior to Bruce. Try again, or get over it.
Bruce getting handled by ShivaRichard runing to the rescueLady shiva handling Bruce, againBruce on the floor after getting manhandledRichard and Bruce on the floor together after getting manhandledRichard helping Bruce up as he's most likely, still incredibly sore from being manhandled so severelyBruce at Jason's mercey, again. I suppose that Bruce likes to be manhandled. Richard to the rescue , again.
I'm curious, minus bane who else has bested or at least drawed batman in random encounters when batman was unaware of the oppositions abilities?
- Deathstroke, Shiva, Jason, and the list goes on.
The only one corrected is Deathstroke.
Jason beat a holding back Batman with prep,and the best Shiva has done is stalemating him.
- " A holding back Batman" is your opinion.
- Additionally, you are ignorant of the details surrounding the New 52 encounter as they have not been revealed yet. Get over it.
- Shiva has handed Bruce his ass, and is superior to Bruce. Try again, or get over it.
Bruce getting handled by ShivaRichard runing to the rescueLady shiva handling Bruce, againBruce on the floor after getting manhandledRichard and Bruce on the floor together after getting manhandledRichard helping Bruce up as he's most likely, still incredibly sore from being manhandled so severelyBruce at Jason's mercey, again. I suppose that Bruce likes to be manhandled. Richard to the rescue , again.
First of all,in the new 52 Shiva had to poison Batman to beat him.This was a poison shuriken.It wasn't a fair h2h combat.Although you are correct.Shiva stomped Batman in that fight.
Jason had prep in that fight and Bruce ALWAYS holds back against Robins.
I'm curious, minus bane who else has bested or at least drawed batman in random encounters when batman was unaware of the oppositions abilities?
- Deathstroke, Shiva, Jason, and the list goes on.
The only one corrected is Deathstroke.
Jason beat a holding back Batman with prep,and the best Shiva has done is stalemating him.
- " A holding back Batman" is your opinion.
- Additionally, you are ignorant of the details surrounding the New 52 encounter as they have not been revealed yet. Get over it.
- Shiva has handed Bruce his ass, and is superior to Bruce. Try again, or get over it.
Bruce getting handled by ShivaRichard runing to the rescueLady shiva handling Bruce, againBruce on the floor after getting manhandledRichard and Bruce on the floor together after getting manhandledRichard helping Bruce up as he's most likely, still incredibly sore from being manhandled so severelyBruce at Jason's mercey, again. I suppose that Bruce likes to be manhandled. Richard to the rescue , again.
First of all,in the new 52 Shiva had to poison Batman to beat him.This was a poison shuriken.It wasn't a fair h2h combat.Although you are correct.Shiva stomped Batman in that fight.
Jason had prep in that fight and Bruce ALWAYS holds back against Robins.
- "First of all" it doesn't matter. Shiva hand Bruce his ass, get over it.
- Additionally, "fair" is subjective and you must be ignorant if you think Bruce always fights "fair".
- Oh, Jason had "prep" in that fight? Please, tell us what prep he had, when the details have yet to be revealed. I'm waiting.
- Yes, as if you could actually prove that he "holds back" against all Robins.
I'm curious, minus bane who else has bested or at least drawed batman in random encounters when batman was unaware of the oppositions abilities?
- Deathstroke, Shiva, Jason, and the list goes on.
The only one corrected is Deathstroke.
Jason beat a holding back Batman with prep,and the best Shiva has done is stalemating him.
- " A holding back Batman" is your opinion.
- Additionally, you are ignorant of the details surrounding the New 52 encounter as they have not been revealed yet. Get over it.
- Shiva has handed Bruce his ass, and is superior to Bruce. Try again, or get over it.
Bruce getting handled by ShivaRichard runing to the rescueLady shiva handling Bruce, againBruce on the floor after getting manhandledRichard and Bruce on the floor together after getting manhandledRichard helping Bruce up as he's most likely, still incredibly sore from being manhandled so severelyBruce at Jason's mercey, again. I suppose that Bruce likes to be manhandled. Richard to the rescue , again.
First of all,in the new 52 Shiva had to poison Batman to beat him.This was a poison shuriken.It wasn't a fair h2h combat.Although you are correct.Shiva stomped Batman in that fight.
Jason had prep in that fight and Bruce ALWAYS holds back against Robins.
- "First of all" it doesn't matter. Shiva hand Bruce his ass, get over it.
- Additionally, "fair" is subjective and you must be ignorant if you think Bruce always fights "fair".
- Oh, Jason had "prep" in that fight? Please, tell us what prep he had, when the details have yet to be revealed. I'm waiting.
- Yes, as if you could actually prove that he "holds back" against all Robins.
1.Fair enough.
2.It's not my job to define if Batman fights fair or not.I only can suggest that fair h2h fights do not contain any kind of extra weapons or gadgets.This fight wasn't.
3.According to their Pre-Flashpoint fight,Jason had prep.He had captured Joker and he waited Batman to arrive in his hideout.Batman won anyway,even though he was holding back.
4.Check out Batman vs Nightwing,where Batman just tries to avoid him and he couldn't land a single strike.
Also Batman vs Jason Todd,Batman pulled his punches,and once he realized he wasn't going to beat that way,he went all out and stomped him.
There is another instance in the new 52 Batman and Robin series,when Batman easily pins Tim Drake to a wall with mere batarangs.
I'm curious, minus bane who else has bested or at least drawed batman in random encounters when batman was unaware of the oppositions abilities?
- Deathstroke, Shiva, Jason, and the list goes on.
The only one corrected is Deathstroke.
Jason beat a holding back Batman with prep,and the best Shiva has done is stalemating him.
- " A holding back Batman" is your opinion.
- Additionally, you are ignorant of the details surrounding the New 52 encounter as they have not been revealed yet. Get over it.
- Shiva has handed Bruce his ass, and is superior to Bruce. Try again, or get over it.
Bruce getting handled by ShivaRichard runing to the rescueLady shiva handling Bruce, againBruce on the floor after getting manhandledRichard and Bruce on the floor together after getting manhandledRichard helping Bruce up as he's most likely, still incredibly sore from being manhandled so severelyBruce at Jason's mercey, again. I suppose that Bruce likes to be manhandled. Richard to the rescue , again.
First of all,in the new 52 Shiva had to poison Batman to beat him.This was a poison shuriken.It wasn't a fair h2h combat.Although you are correct.Shiva stomped Batman in that fight.
Jason had prep in that fight and Bruce ALWAYS holds back against Robins.
- "First of all" it doesn't matter. Shiva hand Bruce his ass, get over it.
- Additionally, "fair" is subjective and you must be ignorant if you think Bruce always fights "fair".
- Oh, Jason had "prep" in that fight? Please, tell us what prep he had, when the details have yet to be revealed. I'm waiting.
- Yes, as if you could actually prove that he "holds back" against all Robins.
1.Fair enough.
2.It's not my job to define if Batman fights fair or not.I only can suggest that fair h2h fights do not contain any kind of extra weapons or gadgets.This fight wasn't.
3.According to their Pre-Flashpoint fight,Jason had prep.He had captured Joker and he waited Batman to arrive in his hideout.Batman won anyway,even though he was holding back.
4.Check out Batman vs Nightwing,where Batman just tries to avoid him and he couldn't land a single strike.
Also Batman vs Jason Todd,Batman pulled his punches,and once he realized he wasn't going to beat that way,he went all out and stomped him.
There is another instance in the new 52 Batman and Robin series,when Batman easily pins Tim Drake to a wall with mere batarangs.
- 2. Bruce uses gadgets all of the time. Moreover, the guy has a utility belt full of them. Am i , or is Shiva, supposed to feel bad when Bruce gets a gadget/tool used against him when he carries god knows how many in his belt and uses them very frequently? I don't see why bringing up the fact that tools were used in this fight has to do with anything. If you don't believe that Bruce would have used a batarang or some other tools when given a chance or opening, i don't really know what to say to you.
- 3. Exactly. According to their Pre-Flashpoint fight which is different from their Post-Flashpoint fight (the details of which we are still unaware of). Moving on.
- 4. Two instances? Are these suppose that he always "holds back" against his (past/current) Robins? Additionally, yes i've read B&R 19 however, it's not as though Tim was trying to fight him as opposed to stopping him from dissecting frankenstein.
Yes Jason defeated Bruce. But I do think it is clear that Bruce never wants to truly fight fully force against those of his family. Jason and Bruce have fought most recently in a current issue, and it was clear that Jason is heavily outclassed by Bruce, who let Jason beat on him and barely did anything to harm Jason.
Also regarding Shiva vs Bruce: See Batman #427, Superman Batman #3. And yes Shiva usually can defeat Bruce, but Cassandra defeated Shiva, and Bruce could potentially defeat Cassandra (Detective Comics #734). Also regarding Shiva vs Bruce see Batman #427 where they essentially fight evenly.
In the encounter shown above, from Deathstroke #7-8, Batman loses, but Slade is so severely hurt that Slade makes several comments about it and then needs to be rescued in a following fight.
Then in Detective Comics #710, Batman loses to Slade again, but then turns the tides on him and defeats him.
Batman does lose several first encounters, but he has defeated or brought down essentially every opponent that has beaten him.
Shiva's defeated Cass before as well. Once when Cass was without body reading and once when she had it. (Batgirl #68) In my opinion all three of those characters (batman,cass,shiva) are so evenly matched that anyone could take anyone on any giving day depending on the situation/circumstances.
Shiva's defeated Cass before as well. Once when Cass was without body reading and once when she had it. (Batgirl #68) In my opinion all three of those characters (batman,cass,shiva) are so evenly matched that anyone could take anyone on any giving day depending on the situation/circumstances.
I agree with your conclusion. The situation and circumstances are a key factor for sure.
But I would also like to add and I would say that without any PIS or other elements for either side Batman can win a majority (and will win) not just purely by Martial Arts but with gadgets and so forth. This of course is conditional on if Batman has met them before. Also keep in mind that even though Batman may be outclassed in terms of pure martial arts ability, he has a way of emotionally manipulating his opponents and that gives him the edge to either draw or win in most fights.
Random encounter with Shiva, I would say Batman takes a loss maybe 65% of the time, 50% if he really decides to use gadgets. Random encounter with Cassandra, I would say Batman loses 45% of the time. Random encounter with Slade, Batman loses 50% of the time. Random encounter with Jason Todd, Batman loses 25% of the time, and that is heavily conditional on several factors.
And before I get the "Bat-fanboy" treatment, random encounter with Superman, Batman loses. Superman enraged vs Batman with Prep, Superman wins, Batman wins like 2 out of 10 times. Random encounter with Wonder Woman, Batman loses. Random encounter with Martian Manhunter, Batman loses (but if he knows MM's weakness to fire, Batman wins even random encounter.). Random encounter with Spiderman, Batman loses. Random encounter with Wolverine, Batman loses. Heck random encounter having never met Bane or Clayface before, Batman loses. And so forth....
@moon_bat_87: Nice response. Not sure I'd fully agree with % rankings but its not really important. The other stuff I wasnt commenting on or disputing, just clarifying that Shiva has defeated her daughter before.
But I laughed at the "Bat-Fanboy" comment. I usually try to avoid that sorta name calling.
I'm curious, minus bane who else has bested or at least drawed batman in random encounters when batman was unaware of the oppositions abilities?
- Deathstroke, Shiva, Jason, and the list goes on.
The only one corrected is Deathstroke.
Jason beat a holding back Batman with prep,and the best Shiva has done is stalemating him.
- " A holding back Batman" is your opinion.
- Additionally, you are ignorant of the details surrounding the New 52 encounter as they have not been revealed yet. Get over it.
- Shiva has handed Bruce his ass, and is superior to Bruce. Try again, or get over it.
Bruce getting handled by ShivaRichard runing to the rescueLady shiva handling Bruce, againBruce on the floor after getting manhandledRichard and Bruce on the floor together after getting manhandledRichard helping Bruce up as he's most likely, still incredibly sore from being manhandled so severelyBruce at Jason's mercey, again. I suppose that Bruce likes to be manhandled. Richard to the rescue , again.
First of all,in the new 52 Shiva had to poison Batman to beat him.This was a poison shuriken.It wasn't a fair h2h combat.Although you are correct.Shiva stomped Batman in that fight.
Jason had prep in that fight and Bruce ALWAYS holds back against Robins.
- "First of all" it doesn't matter. Shiva hand Bruce his ass, get over it.
- Additionally, "fair" is subjective and you must be ignorant if you think Bruce always fights "fair".
- Oh, Jason had "prep" in that fight? Please, tell us what prep he had, when the details have yet to be revealed. I'm waiting.
- Yes, as if you could actually prove that he "holds back" against all Robins.
1.Fair enough.
2.It's not my job to define if Batman fights fair or not.I only can suggest that fair h2h fights do not contain any kind of extra weapons or gadgets.This fight wasn't.
3.According to their Pre-Flashpoint fight,Jason had prep.He had captured Joker and he waited Batman to arrive in his hideout.Batman won anyway,even though he was holding back.
4.Check out Batman vs Nightwing,where Batman just tries to avoid him and he couldn't land a single strike.
Also Batman vs Jason Todd,Batman pulled his punches,and once he realized he wasn't going to beat that way,he went all out and stomped him.
There is another instance in the new 52 Batman and Robin series,when Batman easily pins Tim Drake to a wall with mere batarangs.
- 2. Bruce uses gadgets all of the time. Moreover, the guy has a utility belt full of them. Am i , or is Shiva, supposed to feel bad when Bruce gets a gadget/tool used against him when he carries god knows how many in his belt and uses them very frequently? I don't see why bringing up the fact that tools were used in this fight has to do with anything. If you don't believe that Bruce would have used a batarang or some other tools when given a chance or opening, i don't really know what to say to you.
- 3. Exactly. According to their Pre-Flashpoint fight which is different from their Post-Flashpoint fight (the details of which we are still unaware of). Moving on.
- 4. Two instances? Are these suppose that he always "holds back" against his (past/current) Robins? Additionally, yes i've read B&R 19 however, it's not as though Tim was trying to fight him as opposed to stopping him from dissecting frankenstein.
1.When Batman goes up against other master martial artists,he doesn't use gadgets.This is preoed a lot of times.Anyway,we missed the point.My point was,that even though Shiva stomped Batman in that encounter,it wasn't a fair h2h contest.It contained the use of gadgets/weapons.
You could use it no prob in this thread.
2.If the details are unaware then you shouldn't use that fight here.
3.Check out Batman vs Nightwing,when Dick is angry at Batman,and he just tries to avoid him and ignores him.
4.You can use a lot other characters like: Deathstroke,Bronze Tiger,Lady Shiva(as you said),Emperor Penguin and so many others.
I'm curious, minus bane who else has bested or at least drawed batman in random encounters when batman was unaware of the oppositions abilities?
- Deathstroke, Shiva, Jason, and the list goes on.
- "1." We dropped 1 a few posts back.
-2. Batman uses gadgets when he needs to sir. If he's about to die, best believe that he'll use a gadget even if it's purely WIS/CIS.
- Additionally, the criteria of the thread was a random fight, not "fair" hand to hand combat.
- 3. "If the details were unaware?" Well, if you were unaware of the details, then you shouldn't have (at least in my opinion) spoken about the fight as if you knew the details as i find that quite ignorant.
4. That would be another single instance however, give me a series and issue number and i'll be happy to check it out regardless.
- Additionally, to prove the statement you made, you would have to go through ALL of his confrontations with his Robins(past/present/future) and you would also have to define "hold back" and figure out a factual way of determining that if the characters didn't state it themselves.
- Oh, and i used deathstroke as well and i did say many more.
The only one corrected is Deathstroke.
Jason beat a holding back Batman with prep,and the best Shiva has done is stalemating him.
- " A holding back Batman" is your opinion.
- Additionally, you are ignorant of the details surrounding the New 52 encounter as they have not been revealed yet. Get over it.
- Shiva has handed Bruce his ass, and is superior to Bruce. Try again, or get over it.
Bruce getting handled by ShivaRichard runing to the rescueLady shiva handling Bruce, againBruce on the floor after getting manhandledRichard and Bruce on the floor together after getting manhandledRichard helping Bruce up as he's most likely, still incredibly sore from being manhandled so severelyBruce at Jason's mercey, again. I suppose that Bruce likes to be manhandled. Richard to the rescue , again.
First of all,in the new 52 Shiva had to poison Batman to beat him.This was a poison shuriken.It wasn't a fair h2h combat.Although you are correct.Shiva stomped Batman in that fight.
Jason had prep in that fight and Bruce ALWAYS holds back against Robins.
- "First of all" it doesn't matter. Shiva hand Bruce his ass, get over it.
- Additionally, "fair" is subjective and you must be ignorant if you think Bruce always fights "fair".
- Oh, Jason had "prep" in that fight? Please, tell us what prep he had, when the details have yet to be revealed. I'm waiting.
- Yes, as if you could actually prove that he "holds back" against all Robins.
1.Fair enough.
2.It's not my job to define if Batman fights fair or not.I only can suggest that fair h2h fights do not contain any kind of extra weapons or gadgets.This fight wasn't.
3.According to their Pre-Flashpoint fight,Jason had prep.He had captured Joker and he waited Batman to arrive in his hideout.Batman won anyway,even though he was holding back.
4.Check out Batman vs Nightwing,where Batman just tries to avoid him and he couldn't land a single strike.
Also Batman vs Jason Todd,Batman pulled his punches,and once he realized he wasn't going to beat that way,he went all out and stomped him.
There is another instance in the new 52 Batman and Robin series,when Batman easily pins Tim Drake to a wall with mere batarangs.
- 2. Bruce uses gadgets all of the time. Moreover, the guy has a utility belt full of them. Am i , or is Shiva, supposed to feel bad when Bruce gets a gadget/tool used against him when he carries god knows how many in his belt and uses them very frequently? I don't see why bringing up the fact that tools were used in this fight has to do with anything. If you don't believe that Bruce would have used a batarang or some other tools when given a chance or opening, i don't really know what to say to you.
- 3. Exactly. According to their Pre-Flashpoint fight which is different from their Post-Flashpoint fight (the details of which we are still unaware of). Moving on.
- 4. Two instances? Are these suppose that he always "holds back" against his (past/current) Robins? Additionally, yes i've read B&R 19 however, it's not as though Tim was trying to fight him as opposed to stopping him from dissecting frankenstein.
1.When Batman goes up against other master martial artists,he doesn't use gadgets.This is preoed a lot of times.Anyway,we missed the point.My point was,that even though Shiva stomped Batman in that encounter,it wasn't a fair h2h contest.It contained the use of gadgets/weapons.
You could use it no prob in this thread.
2.If the details are unaware then you shouldn't use that fight here.
3.Check out Batman vs Nightwing,when Dick is angry at Batman,and he just tries to avoid him and ignores him.
4.You can use a lot other characters like: Deathstroke,Bronze Tiger,Lady Shiva(as you said),Emperor Penguin and so many others.
- "1."? We dropped 1 a few posts back.
-2. Batman uses gadgets when he needs to sir. If he's about to die, best believe that he'll use a gadget even if it's purely WIS/CIS.
- Additionally, the criteria of the thread was a random fight, not "fair" hand to hand combat.
- 3. "If the details were unaware?" Well, if you were unaware of the details, then you shouldn't have (at least in my opinion) spoken about the fight as if you knew the details as i find that quite ignorant.
4. That would be another single instance however, give me a series and issue number and i'll be happy to check it out regardless.
- Additionally, to prove the statement you made, you would have to go through ALL of his confrontations with his Robins(past/present/future) and you would also have to define "hold back" and figure out a factual way of determining that if the characters didn't state it themselves.
- Oh, and i used deathstroke as well and i did say many more.
@thejman251: -'1'.I know.I began with 1. because I was starting a new argumenent.
2.Also agreed,but I just wanted to verify that.
3.No,you shouldn't have mentioned it,as you can't prove it's validness.How can you say Jason beat Batman when you don't know if he had prep or the corcumstances of their fight?
@thejman251: -'1'.I know.I began with 1. because I was starting a new argumenent.
2.Also agreed,but I just wanted to verify that.
3.No,you shouldn't have mentioned it,as you can't prove it's validness.How can you say Jason beat Batman when you don't know if he had prep or the corcumstances of their fight?
This is the only sample of the fight I managed to retrieve.Batman clearly holds back,as Dick later yells:'stop avoiding me'.
You could ask other users for help.
- 3. Validness? Well, the term validity is subjective regardless. I can say that Jason beat Batman because i saw the scans above. I'm pretty sure that Bruce is beaten when he is at gunpoint and barely conscious. However, i can't necessarily prove that it was a "random encounter".
- 4. The way the scan is drawn, i would imagine that this took place in Batgirl, Robin,or Nightwing.
@thejman251: -'1'.I know.I began with 1. because I was starting a new argumenent.
2.Also agreed,but I just wanted to verify that.
3.No,you shouldn't have mentioned it,as you can't prove it's validness.How can you say Jason beat Batman when you don't know if he had prep or the corcumstances of their fight?
This is the only sample of the fight I managed to retrieve.Batman clearly holds back,as Dick later yells:'stop avoiding me'.
You could ask other users for help.
- 3. Validness? Well, the term validity is subjective regardless. I can say that Jason beat Batman because i saw the scans above. I'm pretty sure that Bruce is beaten when he is at gunpoint and barely conscious. However, i can't necessarily prove that it was a "random encounter".
- 4. The way the scan is drawn, i would imagine that this took place in Batgirl, Robin,or Nightwing.
- Ask other users for help with what?
3.If you can't prove it's a random encounter,then don't use it as a random encounter battle.
@thejman251: -'1'.I know.I began with 1. because I was starting a new argumenent.
2.Also agreed,but I just wanted to verify that.
3.No,you shouldn't have mentioned it,as you can't prove it's validness.How can you say Jason beat Batman when you don't know if he had prep or the corcumstances of their fight?
This is the only sample of the fight I managed to retrieve.Batman clearly holds back,as Dick later yells:'stop avoiding me'.
You could ask other users for help.
- 3. Validness? Well, the term validity is subjective regardless. I can say that Jason beat Batman because i saw the scans above. I'm pretty sure that Bruce is beaten when he is at gunpoint and barely conscious. However, i can't necessarily prove that it was a "random encounter".
- 4. The way the scan is drawn, i would imagine that this took place in Batgirl, Robin,or Nightwing.
- Ask other users for help with what?
3.If you can't prove it's a random encounter,then don't use it as a random encounter battle.
4.With finding the issue number.
- 3. If you don't know any of the details about the fight, then don't have the audacity to ignorantly comment on it as if you do .
@thejman251: -'1'.I know.I began with 1. because I was starting a new argumenent.
2.Also agreed,but I just wanted to verify that.
3.No,you shouldn't have mentioned it,as you can't prove it's validness.How can you say Jason beat Batman when you don't know if he had prep or the corcumstances of their fight?
This is the only sample of the fight I managed to retrieve.Batman clearly holds back,as Dick later yells:'stop avoiding me'.
You could ask other users for help.
- 3. Validness? Well, the term validity is subjective regardless. I can say that Jason beat Batman because i saw the scans above. I'm pretty sure that Bruce is beaten when he is at gunpoint and barely conscious. However, i can't necessarily prove that it was a "random encounter".
- 4. The way the scan is drawn, i would imagine that this took place in Batgirl, Robin,or Nightwing.
- Ask other users for help with what?
3.If you can't prove it's a random encounter,then don't use it as a random encounter battle.
4.With finding the issue number.
- 3. If you don't know any of the details about the fight, then don't have the audacity to ignorantly comment on it as if you do .
- 4. I would need the name of the series first.
3.It's not working like that my friend.I dare you to prove it's a random encounter.
@thejman251: -'1'.I know.I began with 1. because I was starting a new argumenent.
2.Also agreed,but I just wanted to verify that.
3.No,you shouldn't have mentioned it,as you can't prove it's validness.How can you say Jason beat Batman when you don't know if he had prep or the corcumstances of their fight?
This is the only sample of the fight I managed to retrieve.Batman clearly holds back,as Dick later yells:'stop avoiding me'.
You could ask other users for help.
- 3. Validness? Well, the term validity is subjective regardless. I can say that Jason beat Batman because i saw the scans above. I'm pretty sure that Bruce is beaten when he is at gunpoint and barely conscious. However, i can't necessarily prove that it was a "random encounter".
- 4. The way the scan is drawn, i would imagine that this took place in Batgirl, Robin,or Nightwing.
- Ask other users for help with what?
3.If you can't prove it's a random encounter,then don't use it as a random encounter battle.
4.With finding the issue number.
- 3. If you don't know any of the details about the fight, then don't have the audacity to ignorantly comment on it as if you do .
- 4. I would need the name of the series first.
3.It's not working like that my friend.I dare you to prove it's a random encounter.
- 3. "It's not working like that"? Being that this seems like third grade with all of the "daring" going on, i dare you to prove otherwise or continue to make baseless claims as you have been doing. I.E. Jason not beating Batman, Jason having prep, etc.
@thejman251: I am not the one who makes pointless assumptions,without the ability to prove them.........
General rule of debating: When you say something,you have to be able to prove it 100%.
Since you you can't,you won't use it at all.
I am done.
1. - What "pointless"(your opinion here) assumption did i make? None.
- Oh, so you knowingly haven't been following the general rule of debating?
Jason beat a holding back Batman with prep
- Something that you cannot prove. Contradiction.
the best Shiva has done is stalemating him.
- False statement. Try again.
Jason had prep in that fight
- Something that you can't prove at all. Contradiction. Try again.
Bruce ALWAYS holds back against Robins.
- Your opinion (again) and therefore, something that cannot be proven to be a fact. Why? because opinions aren't facts.
- 2.
Since you you can't,you won't use it at all.
- Even though i can't prove that said confrontation was a random battle, i'm going to put it in my list regardless and you can't do a damned thing about it. If you don't like it, feel free to cry me a river. I find it hilarious that you continuously have the audacity to attempt to tell me what and what not to do on a forum, as if i'll actually listen.
- If you're done, then i won't be expecting a reply. Unless you're going to contradict yourself again.
@thejman251: I am not the one who makes pointless assumptions,without the ability to prove them.........
General rule of debating: When you say something,you have to be able to prove it 100%.
Since you you can't,you won't use it at all.
I am done.
1. - What "pointless"(your opinion here) assumption did i make? None.
- Oh, so you knowingly haven't been following the general rule of debating?
Jason beat a holding back Batman with prep
- Something that you cannot prove. Contradiction.
the best Shiva has done is stalemating him.
- False statement. Try again.
Jason had prep in that fight
- Something that you can't prove at all. Contradiction. Try again.
Bruce ALWAYS holds back against Robins.
- Your opinion (again) and therefore, something that cannot be proven to be a fact. Why? because opinions aren't facts.
- 2.
Since you you can't,you won't use it at all.
- Even though i can't prove that said confrontation was a random battle, i'm going to put it in my list regardless and you can't do a damned thing about it. If you don't like it, feel free to cry me a river. I find it hilarious that you continuously have the audacity to attempt to tell me what and what not to do on a forum, as if i'll actually listen.
- If you're done, then i won't be expecting a reply. Unless you're going to contradict yourself again.
1.Pre-Flashpoint it happened.Post-Flashpoint,I don't know the circumstances so I don't care.
2.I am certain that you are unable to prove that Shiva has beaten Batman in h2h.All of their fights are stalemates or Batman won.Pre-Flashpoint,I consider them equals.Post-Flashpoint,Batman is superior due to more feats.
3.Alright,I can't prove it.Can you prove the opposite?
4.I posted a lot of evidence that Batman takes it easy when it comes to his children and it seems you have not taken it itno account.I can post a lot more.
5.I am not your mommy and daddy to tell you what you can or can't do.I am just stating my opinion.I didn't insult in any way and I just posted what I thought it was correct.I am not expecting that you will change your mind and I don't care at all.I only wanted to express myself and I did it.
@thejman251: I am not the one who makes pointless assumptions,without the ability to prove them.........
General rule of debating: When you say something,you have to be able to prove it 100%.
Since you you can't,you won't use it at all.
I am done.
1. - What "pointless"(your opinion here) assumption did i make? None.
- Oh, so you knowingly haven't been following the general rule of debating?
Jason beat a holding back Batman with prep
- Something that you cannot prove. Contradiction.
the best Shiva has done is stalemating him.
- False statement. Try again.
Jason had prep in that fight
- Something that you can't prove at all. Contradiction. Try again.
Bruce ALWAYS holds back against Robins.
- Your opinion (again) and therefore, something that cannot be proven to be a fact. Why? because opinions aren't facts.
- 2.
Since you you can't,you won't use it at all.
- Even though i can't prove that said confrontation was a random battle, i'm going to put it in my list regardless and you can't do a damned thing about it. If you don't like it, feel free to cry me a river. I find it hilarious that you continuously have the audacity to attempt to tell me what and what not to do on a forum, as if i'll actually listen.
- If you're done, then i won't be expecting a reply. Unless you're going to contradict yourself again.
1.Pre-Flashpoint it happened.Post-Flashpoint,I don't know the circumstances so I don't care.
2.I am certain that you are unable to prove that Shiva has beaten Batman in h2h.All of their fights are stalemates or Batman won.Pre-Flashpoint,I consider them equals.Post-Flashpoint,Batman is superior due to more feats.
3.Alright,I can't prove it.Can you prove the opposite?
4.I posted a lot of evidence that Batman takes it easy when it comes to his children and it seems you have not taken it itno account.I can post a lot more.
5.I am not your mommy and daddy to tell you what you can or can't do.I am just stating my opinion.I didn't insult in any way and I just posted what I thought it was correct.I am not expecting that you will change your mind and I don't care at all.I only wanted to express myself and I did it.
- 1. You don't care and yet, you decided to comment on a Post Flashpoint scan multiple times?
Jason had prep in that fight and Bruce ALWAYS holds back against Robins.
- I wonder if you're going to lie and say that you were referring to Pre New 52 with that comment, when my comment that you replied to it with had New 52 scans only. Oh, and i only mentioned the new 52 in said post.
- 2. Yes, you consider Bruce superior Post-Flashpoint although he lost to Shiva Post Flashpoint. How utterly utterly expected.
- 3. I don't need to as i haven't claimed such unlike you.
-4. You call posting three instances in which you believe Bruce was holding back "a lot" of evidence? Yes, i'd definitely like to see your "large" amount of remaining evidence which will undoubtedly prove nothing.
- 5. You are also not one with much sense.
Since you you can't,you won't use it at all.
you shouldn't have mentioned it,
If you can't prove it's a random encounter,then don't use it as a random encounter battle.
If the details are unaware then you shouldn'tuse that fight here.
- Telling me what i should and should not do, etc multiple times. That's a nice contradiction which i suppose should be expected by now as you evidently love to contradict yourself.
I am done.
-Oh, and contradicting yourself again are we? Surprise, surprise.
@thejman251: I am not the one who makes pointless assumptions,without the ability to prove them.........
General rule of debating: When you say something,you have to be able to prove it 100%.
Since you you can't,you won't use it at all.
I am done.
1. - What "pointless"(your opinion here) assumption did i make? None.
- Oh, so you knowingly haven't been following the general rule of debating?
Jason beat a holding back Batman with prep
- Something that you cannot prove. Contradiction.
the best Shiva has done is stalemating him.
- False statement. Try again.
Jason had prep in that fight
- Something that you can't prove at all. Contradiction. Try again.
Bruce ALWAYS holds back against Robins.
- Your opinion (again) and therefore, something that cannot be proven to be a fact. Why? because opinions aren't facts.
- 2.
Since you you can't,you won't use it at all.
- Even though i can't prove that said confrontation was a random battle, i'm going to put it in my list regardless and you can't do a damned thing about it. If you don't like it, feel free to cry me a river. I find it hilarious that you continuously have the audacity to attempt to tell me what and what not to do on a forum, as if i'll actually listen.
- If you're done, then i won't be expecting a reply. Unless you're going to contradict yourself again.
1.Pre-Flashpoint it happened.Post-Flashpoint,I don't know the circumstances so I don't care.
2.I am certain that you are unable to prove that Shiva has beaten Batman in h2h.All of their fights are stalemates or Batman won.Pre-Flashpoint,I consider them equals.Post-Flashpoint,Batman is superior due to more feats.
3.Alright,I can't prove it.Can you prove the opposite?
4.I posted a lot of evidence that Batman takes it easy when it comes to his children and it seems you have not taken it itno account.I can post a lot more.
5.I am not your mommy and daddy to tell you what you can or can't do.I am just stating my opinion.I didn't insult in any way and I just posted what I thought it was correct.I am not expecting that you will change your mind and I don't care at all.I only wanted to express myself and I did it.
- 1. You don't care and yet, you decided to comment on a Post Flashpoint scan multiple times?
Jason had prep in that fight and Bruce ALWAYS holds back against Robins.
- I wonder if you're going to lie and say that you were referring to Pre New 52 with that comment, when my comment that you replied to it with had New 52 scans only. Oh, and i only mentioned the new 52 in said post.
- 2. Yes, you consider Bruce superior Post-Flashpoint although he lost to Shiva Post Flashpoint. How utterly utterly expected.
- 3. I don't need to as i haven't claimed such unlike you.
-4. You call posting three instances in which you believe Bruce was holding back "a lot" of evidence? Yes, i'd definitely like to see your "large" amount of remaining evidence which will undoubtedly prove nothing.
- 5. You are also not one with much sense.
Since you you can't,you won't use it at all.
you shouldn't have mentioned it,
If you can't prove it's a random encounter,then don't use it as a random encounter battle.
If the details are unaware then you shouldn'tuse that fight here.
- Telling me what i should and should not do, etc multiple times. That's a nice contradiction which i suppose should be expected by now as you evidently love to contradict yourself.
I am done.
-Oh, and contradicting yourself again are we? Surprise, surprise.
1.I though it was the same as the Pre-new 52 fight.
2.Shiva had to poison Batman to beat him.How many times do I have to say that it wasn't a fair h2h contest?
3.Then why did you used it as an example if you can't prove it?
4.Check out New 52 Batman and Red Hood issue 22 where an angry Jason goes all out against Batman and Batman doesn't even feel his punches.
5.Please do not insult me again.I never insulted you and so I am expecting you to do.
My sentences are correct,but I can't force you to do something if you don't want to.
@thejman251: I am not the one who makes pointless assumptions,without the ability to prove them.........
General rule of debating: When you say something,you have to be able to prove it 100%.
Since you you can't,you won't use it at all.
I am done.
1. - What "pointless"(your opinion here) assumption did i make? None.
- Oh, so you knowingly haven't been following the general rule of debating?
Jason beat a holding back Batman with prep
- Something that you cannot prove. Contradiction.
the best Shiva has done is stalemating him.
- False statement. Try again.
Jason had prep in that fight
- Something that you can't prove at all. Contradiction. Try again.
Bruce ALWAYS holds back against Robins.
- Your opinion (again) and therefore, something that cannot be proven to be a fact. Why? because opinions aren't facts.
- 2.
Since you you can't,you won't use it at all.
- Even though i can't prove that said confrontation was a random battle, i'm going to put it in my list regardless and you can't do a damned thing about it. If you don't like it, feel free to cry me a river. I find it hilarious that you continuously have the audacity to attempt to tell me what and what not to do on a forum, as if i'll actually listen.
- If you're done, then i won't be expecting a reply. Unless you're going to contradict yourself again.
1.Pre-Flashpoint it happened.Post-Flashpoint,I don't know the circumstances so I don't care.
2.I am certain that you are unable to prove that Shiva has beaten Batman in h2h.All of their fights are stalemates or Batman won.Pre-Flashpoint,I consider them equals.Post-Flashpoint,Batman is superior due to more feats.
3.Alright,I can't prove it.Can you prove the opposite?
4.I posted a lot of evidence that Batman takes it easy when it comes to his children and it seems you have not taken it itno account.I can post a lot more.
5.I am not your mommy and daddy to tell you what you can or can't do.I am just stating my opinion.I didn't insult in any way and I just posted what I thought it was correct.I am not expecting that you will change your mind and I don't care at all.I only wanted to express myself and I did it.
- 1. You don't care and yet, you decided to comment on a Post Flashpoint scan multiple times?
Jason had prep in that fight and Bruce ALWAYS holds back against Robins.
- I wonder if you're going to lie and say that you were referring to Pre New 52 with that comment, when my comment that you replied to it with had New 52 scans only. Oh, and i only mentioned the new 52 in said post.
- 2. Yes, you consider Bruce superior Post-Flashpoint although he lost to Shiva Post Flashpoint. How utterly utterly expected.
- 3. I don't need to as i haven't claimed such unlike you.
-4. You call posting three instances in which you believe Bruce was holding back "a lot" of evidence? Yes, i'd definitely like to see your "large" amount of remaining evidence which will undoubtedly prove nothing.
- 5. You are also not one with much sense.
Since you you can't,you won't use it at all.
you shouldn't have mentioned it,
If you can't prove it's a random encounter,then don't use it as a random encounter battle.
If the details are unaware then you shouldn'tuse that fight here.
- Telling me what i should and should not do, etc multiple times. That's a nice contradiction which i suppose should be expected by now as you evidently love to contradict yourself.
I am done.
-Oh, and contradicting yourself again are we? Surprise, surprise.
1.I though it was the same as the Pre-new 52 fight.
2.Shiva had to poison Batman to beat him.How many times do I have to say that it wasn't a fair h2h contest?
3.Then why did you used it as an example if you can't prove it?
4.Check out New 52 Batman and Red Hood issue 22 where an angry Jason goes all out against Batman and Batman doesn't even feel his punches.
5.Please do not insult me again.I never insulted you and so I am expecting you to do.
My sentences are correct,but I can't force you to do something if you don't want to.
- 2. It wasn't fair in your opinion, and i couldn't care less about your opinion. Get over it.
-3. I clearly felt like posting it. However, i had the sense not to claim that it was a random encounter. Additionally, the TC did not define "random" so it's quite irrelevant as random is undefined in this context. Hence, Jason is staying on my list. Get over it.
- 4. You mean the issue in which Bruce is wobbling as Jason leaves? Ok. 1+3=4. Is four instances "a lot" for you? Hilarious.
- 5. Your sentences are "correct" in your own opinion which again , i couldn't care less about. Get over it.
Well some kidnappers managed for Batman to get electrocuted brain-die. But luckly his current partner "The Atom" mignaturises himself to fit in his head and runs around in Batman's brain to make it function. All this stimulation of the brain ends up by reviving it, thus making Batman not dead anymore. Batman the brave and the bold #115.
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