@tupiaz: You're talking about Nolan's Batman, that's not the definitive Batman. Anyway Batman is an idea, he wanted be a little dramatic about he's appearance, that doesn't make him insane and he doesn't have any fetish for bats. he's not obsessed with bats. Captain America dresses up like american flag, Daredevil dresses up as a devil, Namor wears panties, god knows what wolverine's costume is supposed to represent. 50% of the superhero community dress up as lunatics that's supposed to make then insane. Sanity/insanity is judged by behavior not appearance.

Nope I'm not talking about Nolan's Batman. Not obsessed with bats? All his gadgets has something to do with bats. Captain Americans suit was giving to him doing WW2. Pretty sure Logans costume should look like a Wolverine. Daredevil took the name Daredevil because he was sarcastic called this as a chid guess he feel like a devil costume was the most logic choice. By the way that other superheroes have their issues doesn't mean Bruce doesn't have his.

Exactly my and many guys here point.

Having issues dont mean you are insane, if Bruce is insane by having issues, every other person with issues is insane.

Batman is the only hero that know he is not going to be in earth forever, he is the only hero that knows that crime is not the problem, is something bigger and his war is against that, thats why hee need to be a symbol that fights a war against human biggest problem, being inhuman against other humans.

If his wars was against crime, he would attack people that copies movies, prostitutes, and others that even when they are "criminals" arent inhuman against other humans.

That's because it makes those cool. Btw get your facts right, the comic Batman took the name because a Bat crashed in his rooms when he was searching for an inspiration to fight crime, it may not be a good one but he took what he got at that time. This is just the same with CA, Daredevil and other heroes, that doesn't make him insane.

In year one where the Bat comes crashing into the window Bruce mention he experienced being frightened him as a boy (Chapter one page 22) It is a way to deal with is fear as a boy. So I got my fact straight. Batman's point is to give the fear he himself had as boy with the bat.

@tupiaz: Yeah so he overcame he's fear of bats, how does that make him insane.

@rustyroy said:

Didn't say he overcome it. If you think so you better prove it.

@tupiaz: I remember him saying he was affraid of it as a boy, was it in the man who falls? Its been a long while since last read the comics though I pretty sure he said something like that and again that doesn't make him insane.

It really depends on how you define insane. Insane in like a Moon Knight kind of way or that he is hallucinating no. However I find him not more sane that for instance the Riddler.

@tupiaz: Insane is not used as a therm anymore, only by lawyers, because it was really hard to say when a person was insane.

But what people and the lwa calls insane, is a person that dont know what is he doingis out of control, has no moral lines and dont know there is wrong and right.

Batman knows and is in control of his actions, he is a freacking superhero that dont kill.

Again The Punisher is insane, still people belive he is sane since the guy dont use a costume.

It actually depends on the writer. Everyone writes Superman almost the same way but every writer tries to experiment with Batman.

I'm not sure there IS a sane Batman.

He's a guy who had childhood trauma 20+ years ago and is acting out by picking fights with criminals night-after-night on the streets.

If he were more sane he'd be a better Bruce Wayne. He'd leverage his resources and fight crime in a healthier way.

@crash_recovery said:

This.

Sure insane is term you can use. It is used in phsychology.

@tupiaz: No is not, they dont use the therm anymore, is only used only by lawyers. at this point.

Any version that does not angst over his parent's death

There's a difference?

In order for squick clarification, PLEASE clarify.

Both, though insane is more badass !

A rather large difference I'd argue. He's definitely passionate about what he does (probably too passionate). But that doesn't make him insane in my book ^^.

I like them both the same.

SERIOUSLY! CAN SOMEONE please CLARIFY WHAT DARK_SALOR SAID!?

Insane Batman is a dick.

I think Sane batman is better and makes more sense. Batman does have issues but that doesnt mean he's insane. And also if batman was insane why would he have the trust of people like Superman, Alfred, and Nightwing. Batman is obsessed. but not insane

definitely sane.

@hewhosees: During the original run of Ultimates, Quicksilver and Scarlett With had sex, Wolverin was watching, you can find the image everywhere.

QFT!!!!

1. Those AREN'T brothers. That's brother and sister.

2. That's an ALTERNATE UNIVERSE Wolverine, and not cannonical 616 wolvy.

I'm not sure you've ever seen a wolverine, because his costume definitely doesn't look like one.

@hewhosees: TSo Heterosexual incest is less or more anything?, i forget to point any of their genders, because dont matter what, is incest and he was watching.

Sure because watching incest as a voyeur nutjob tha try to score with a 16 year old girlfriend of Spiderman is a whole other thing from a maniac that cuts people heads, stab them to death, drinks, smokes and have sex with Mystique when she is using another form.

Also, is hadr to belive he is sane when he looks like a hobo Paris Hilton, why he has such a girly dog?

Hell Yeah!!!

@roboadmiral: I have not in nature but on pictures.

I still believe the idea was to give him an iconic costue that we give the idea of an animal/wolverine. In the same way Spider-man give the idea of a spider, even though he doesn't real look like one. Mostly it is the thing around his eyes.

@deathpoolthet1000 said:

@hewhosees: TSo Heterosexual incest is less or more anything?, i forget to point any of their genders, because dont matter what, is incest and he was watching.

Sure because watching incest as a voyeur nutjob tha try to score with a 16 year old girlfriend of Spiderman is a whole other thing from a maniac that cuts people heads, stab them to death, drinks, smokes and have sex with Mystique when she is using another form.

Also, is hadr to belive he is sane when he looks like a hobo Paris Hilton, why he has such a girly dog?

Hell Yeah!!!

1. Hey, it's bad either way, but you were still wrong in specifying which.

2. Again, that WASN'T cannon wolverine. Don't get me wrong. Wolvy's a maniac, but he never went THAT far in 616.

@hewhosees: I am the only person that remember Wolverine as he was before being popular, the guy killed a lot back in the day.

Asshole, I KNOW. In fact, I SAID that 616 is loonier than all the characters created by or directed by Chuck Jones combined. All I'm saying is that, compared to ULTIMATE UNIVERSE Wolvy, 616 Wolvy is the picture of mental health. Relative to an average joe, he's still nutty, but NOT as nutty as his Ultimate counterpart.

100% unadulterated insanity

First, I'd like to say that that "Insane" is not a medical term (not anymore at least). It is an archaic term from a period when mentally ill people would be locked away and treated quite badly.

Is Batman insane? That's a very vague question. It really depends on what you mean by 'insane.' Is he sitting naked on the floor in a fetal position taking to imaginary people? No. of course not. Is he not well adjusted with various unresolved emotional issues? Hell yes. If we took Batman out of the comic universe and put him into the real world, then it would be no question that he is not well and should seek psychological help, but in the context of a comic book universe with hundreds of costumed superheroes running (or flying) around, I guess he would be not that much out of the norm.

I'd also like to say that Batman still has some form of mental illness (to what extent depends on the writer). He was just a kid when his parent were murdered within feet of him. Of course that would screw up anyone. So there he is suffering from PTSD or some traumatic condition. Next he doesn't go through the grief process and learn to live like a mentally healthy person, he instead deals with his grief (and his abundant anger) by obsessively training and devoting his life to fighting crime from the shadows. No matter how much of a fan of his you are, you can't see that as a healthy way of dealing with tragedy. Next instead of using his vast wealth to devote to charity and philanthropy, (he does give some, but he could do better) the face he puts on for the world is a vain carefree billionaire. So he rejects being a real person and is always playing some kind of pre-fabricated role. The Bruce Wayne he allows the world to see isn't the real man but just another mask, so one could argue that there is some kind of identity issues there as well.

So, I don't think Batman is mentally ill to the point where he should be institutionalized, but a visit to a psychiatrist once a week would do him a lot of good (though he would never do that because he is also obsessively secretive)

As for what I prefer, I like it when writers present us with a Batman that isn't perfect because flaws are really what makes characters interesting. I really liked the scene from a Nightwing issue where he questions if he is a bad son because, unlike Bruce, he doesn't visit his parent's grave every week or have all the clocks in his house set to the time they died. Just goes to show that Batman will never let himself move on from his tragedy, while Dick was able to come to terms with his grief.