Spoilers!

So in the back story in the latest issue of Batman, Joker showed Two-face and Penguin a dinner tray with a top (don't know what it is exactly called). When Joker lifted the top, both looked surprise. What do you think it was?

Also based on previous Batman threads some people who dislike Synder will post something negative about the writer. So I think it would be best if no one states their opinion on him sense this is not the point of the thread.

There was a tray at the end of Batman and Robin too. My current theory: Joker has cut Alfred into pieces and is feeding him to the Batfamily

I thought perhaps Alfred's head, or some other body part. Although part of me refuses to believe it.

@Nightwing4 said:

I thought perhaps Alfred's head, or some other body part. Although part of me refuses to believe it.

Isn't there a quote, 'Bring me his head on a silver platter.'? It's a horrible thought, but you could be right.

@MrShway88: I think it's just called a serving dome.

@V_Scarlotte_Rose: Thanks, that was bugging me all day yesterday.

Alfred's face.

The reason The Joker has been so effective and everywhere at once is because the Joker broke Alfred and made him into the second Joker.

If it's Alfred that means Joker, Penguin and Harvey know Batman is Bruce Wayne? Otherwise why would they react like that - only if they knew it was Batman's butler.

@Selinaky said:

If it's Alfred that means Joker, Penguin and Harvey know Batman is Bruce Wayne? Otherwise why would they react like that - only if they knew it was Batman's butler.

he attacked Alfred because of his connection to Bruce Wayne and Bruce's connection to Batman Inc

@danhimself said:

@Selinaky said:

If it's Alfred that means Joker, Penguin and Harvey know Batman is Bruce Wayne? Otherwise why would they react like that - only if they knew it was Batman's butler.

he attacked Alfred because of his connection to Bruce Wayne and Bruce's connection to Batman Inc

Hm, true you're right, but it still seems too loose a connection to provoke such a reaction. Anyhow, I think Alfred's head/face or something might be too predictable.

I hope not. Alfred is still needed in the bat family. I hope the whole death thing is a metaphor, nevertheless, I trust Snyder. He knows what he's doing.

@Selinaky said:

@danhimself said:

@Selinaky said:

If it's Alfred that means Joker, Penguin and Harvey know Batman is Bruce Wayne? Otherwise why would they react like that - only if they knew it was Batman's butler.

he attacked Alfred because of his connection to Bruce Wayne and Bruce's connection to Batman Inc

Hm, true you're right, but it still seems too loose a connection to provoke such a reaction. Anyhow, I think Alfred's head/face or something might be too predictable.

Innocent people murdered (like the people hung up like a painting) are still pretty provocative to Batman. I would imagine some random guy's head would still make Batman angry.

And I really hope it's not Alfred's head. How would they resurrect him? Would they resurrect Alfred? Ugh, he's my favorite member of the Bat-family!

An old bowl of spaghetti is my favorite theory.

@gotwillpower said:

@Selinaky said:

@danhimself said:

@Selinaky said:

If it's Alfred that means Joker, Penguin and Harvey know Batman is Bruce Wayne? Otherwise why would they react like that - only if they knew it was Batman's butler.

he attacked Alfred because of his connection to Bruce Wayne and Bruce's connection to Batman Inc

Hm, true you're right, but it still seems too loose a connection to provoke such a reaction. Anyhow, I think Alfred's head/face or something might be too predictable.

Innocent people murdered (like the people hung up like a painting) are still pretty provocative to Batman. I would imagine some random guy's head would still make Batman angry.

And I really hope it's not Alfred's head. How would they resurrect him? Would they resurrect Alfred? Ugh, he's my favorite member of the Bat-family!

My concerns exactly, thats why I don't think they will kill Alfred.

To be honest, I'm afraid it's going to be a piece of Alfred.

Since I am a vegan, I pray it is not the head of bat cow or bat hound. We can all use less cholesterol.

The same tray was shown at the ends of Batman, Batman and Robin and Batgirl. In Batgirl and Batman and Robin, Joker is shown wearing the same suit and is in what appears to be the same room. Meaning that, at the very least, Damian and Babs are in the same room at the same time. This leads me to the conclusion that Joker is gathering up the family for a "dinner" of sorts with whatever is in the tray as the "main course." I could totally be wrong though. As for what is actually under the tray, I'm not sure. Logic would leave me to believe it is Alfred's head. However, in the Fatman on Batman podcast Scott Snyder told Kevin Smith that he thought it was funny that everyone assumed he was killing off Alfred because he loves the character. That is the only thing that makes me question whether or not he's going to kill off Alfred, everything else would have me thinking otherwise.

my 3 guesses

Harley's head

The bloodied masks of each member of "The Family"

Something that ties Bruce Wayne's identity to Batman

I'm not sure if I want to know :S But looks like it's the same on Batman and Robin and Batgirl endings (I bet 20 bucks it will be at the end of Red Hood and The Outlaws, Teen Titans and Nightwing)

So it has to be something generally impressive and bloody. I really don't know if I want to know.

@JakeN7 said:

The same tray was shown at the ends of Batman, Batman and Robin and Batgirl. In Batgirl and Batman and Robin, Joker is shown wearing the same suit and is in what appears to be the same room. Meaning that, at the very least, Damian and Babs are in the same room at the same time. This leads me to the conclusion that Joker is gathering up the family for a "dinner" of sorts with whatever is in the tray as the "main course." I could totally be wrong though. As for what is actually under the tray, I'm not sure. Logic would leave me to believe it is Alfred's head. However, in the Fatman on Batman podcast Scott Snyder told Kevin Smith that he thought it was funny that everyone assumed he was killing off Alfred because he loves the character. That is the only thing that makes me question whether or not he's going to kill off Alfred, everything else would have me thinking otherwise.

I think makes a lot of sense since he kidnapped Alfred because he was "planning a celebration and needed someone to help him serve" So yeah it should have a party or a dinner involved for him to need a butler and having the bloody tray.

But I certainly can guarantee it will be completely creepy, with a lot of ghost-bumps all across your skin, and with high probabilities of puking with that really gross Joker's face rotting all the way.

@RedOwl_1 said:

I'm not sure if I want to know

This..

bump

@JakeN7 said:

The same tray was shown at the ends of Batman, Batman and Robin and Batgirl. In Batgirl and Batman and Robin, Joker is shown wearing the same suit and is in what appears to be the same room. Meaning that, at the very least, Damian and Babs are in the same room at the same time. This leads me to the conclusion that Joker is gathering up the family for a "dinner" of sorts with whatever is in the tray as the "main course." I could totally be wrong though. As for what is actually under the tray, I'm not sure. Logic would leave me to believe it is Alfred's head. However, in the Fatman on Batman podcast Scott Snyder told Kevin Smith that he thought it was funny that everyone assumed he was killing off Alfred because he loves the character. That is the only thing that makes me question whether or not he's going to kill off Alfred, everything else would have me thinking otherwise.

Glad somebody knows what Scott Snyder has said on podcasts. I would never have heard that.

@StMichalofWilson said:

To be honest, I'm afraid it's going to be a piece of Alfred.

Maybe there are different dinner plates in each Bat-book? A different piece of Alfred on each platter!? AAH!

I feel like it would be too bold of a move for them to do since it would really air out some things in the DCU but it would be awesome if it was Talia's head, opening the can of worms between Damian and Bruce.

i think its alfred , or at least part of him , maybe his eyes?

Sadly, i'm also betting a part of Alfred.

@Nathaniel_Christopher said:

Sadly, i'm also betting a part of Alfred.

Maybe it is the cut out face of Jason Todd ?

@SoA said:

i think its alfred , or at least part of him , maybe his eyes?

I can see that.

I honestly cannot think of a single possibility thatg would make sense aside for Alfred's head (or some other body part). But at the same time, I honestly don't think it's that... It seems too obvious. Plus, I hope they wouldn't kill off Alfred like this. In such an unsatisfying way (no heartfelt goodbye to Bruce or the like).

Then again....the solicit for Batman 18 speaks of tragedy so I suppose anything's possible...gonna have to wait until February.

I think it'll be something off the wall...either a Red Hood (think back to Batman #0..it seems this arc will lead to or tie ino that in some way) or Gordon's last pack of smokes (think back to Gordon in #13). A more far out one, but seemingly what everyone ultimately expects is a dead robin. The dinner would be served and one of the Robins (possibly Damien) would be poisoned or something. I definitely can't wait to see what happens.

It doesn't make sense for it to be Alfred's head cause why would he show it to a bunch of villains (and why would they care, unless they knew who Batman was)

@Nathaniel_Christopher said:

Sadly, i'm also betting a part of Alfred.

I bet Dick gets Alfred's nuts.

I bet Dick gets Alfred's nuts.

I laughed more than I should have...

@JairamGanpat said:

I bet Dick gets Alfred's nuts.

I laughed more than I should have...

Sadly me too.

@colonyofcells said:

Maybe it is the cut out face of Jason Todd ?

There's an idea considering we saw in Red Hood & The Outlaws Joker fiddling with Jason and stating "A face only a mother could love."

Has it been confirmed that one member of the Batclan will die?

its jokers head, alfred is wearing jokers face!

Batman's cowl!

Maybe its a note that says :Sucker!"

Alfred parts seems like an obvious choice.

What if its something that shows Batman has been watching them or doesn't fully trust them to destroy the family, or maybe a means to kill the joker or even each other if it allows them to escape, or even something showing how Joker has killed or harmed someone close to each of them or how he has destroyed their lives and this pushes the family over the edge and Batman's refusal to let them kill Joker breaks the family or maybe they do kill him and Batman's disappointment along with their own shock, disappointment or stubbornness may break the family (although the second may have very long standing repercussions which could be difficult to resolve for a while)

There are so many variations of what it could be which could "kill" the bat-family and I love the build up and mystery surrounding this grand master plan of the Joker's like why exactly does he need two-face, penguin, etc I haven't sat down read #16 yet only scanned it but as far as I can tell they only re-enforce the idea of Joker as the Jester nad Batman as the Bat-king of Gotham.