We all know the story that batman returns was the last batman movie that Tim burton made before the studio fired him and replaced by Joel shumacher. What few people know is that Tim burton had pinned a script for batman forever which was rejected for being too dark. I searched for it and decided to share what it would have been like if he'd been allowed to direct it. -Firstly there would have been no two-face, just Harvey dent still played by billy dee Williams - robin would have been a street wise African American kid with the combination of dick grayson's and Jason Todd's origin played by marlon wayans - the riddler would have had his head shaved in the shape of a question mark( you know like the one that appeared in the first issue of Scott snyders batman in arkham asylum, the one a lot of people hated) played by robin Williams - dr chase meridian would have been played by rene Russo - there was still a door open for catwoman to appear although I'm not too sure what she would do in the film. A lot of what Tim burton's ideas were used by Joel shumacher. What was added was two face, the campy environment, the sub plot involving Bruce Wayne and his past, dick Grayson and a lot of other goofy stuff. So what are your thoughts on this?
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Bruce Wayne, who witnessed the murder of his billionaire parents as a child, swore to avenge their deaths. He trained extensively to achieve mental and physical perfection, mastering martial arts, detective skills, and criminal psychology. Costumed as a bat to prey on the fears of criminals, and utilizing a high-tech arsenal, he became the legendary Batman.
Tim burton's batman forever
I'll give Burton the same credit that I give Miller,they both are responsible for Batman's popularity and status but that's where it ends.
Burtons movies and that script are just as bad as Schumachers,the only reason why people prefer the former is cause they are "darker".
@entropy_aegis said:
I'll give Burton the same credit that I give Miller,they both are responsible for Batman's popularity and status but that's where it ends.
Burtons movies and that script are just as bad as Schumachers,the only reason why people prefer the former is cause they are "darker".
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I just rewatched Batman Forever and I liked Robin that movie was not as bad as Batman and Robin but i still perfer Burtons Batman I just wish another Movie will bring in Robin bc we need a good robin story maybe have him older and just have flashbacks to his origin but yeah i would not have liked Burtons 3rd reading this but i also read a interview with michael Keaton and he said that Batman 3 was going to be more about how he became Batman.
No we really didn't. Burton's Batman was what revived Batman, Schumacher nearly killed it. We didn't get another Batman film for 8 years after he did his 2 films.we needed schumacher in order for the revival...its like a double edged sword hehe
Okay cool, but think what the outcome would have been if we only had the Burton films? i dont think we would have gotten what w have now...
@entropy_aegis said:
I'll give Burton the same credit that I give Miller,they both are responsible for Batman's popularity and status but that's where it ends.
Burtons movies and that script are just as bad as Schumachers,the only reason why people prefer the former is cause they have no supposedly subliminal yet pretty obvious homoeroticisms
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Looking at this blog I'm surprised that I'm not alone in the territory of how I feel about Tim burton's work on batman. I personally feel that his success was mainly due to a number of factors, the casting and actors who worked on the set, the musical score, the setting, dark atmosphere and designs and not anything Tim burton was involved in. I personally feel that Tim burton gets way too much credit for his films and he's really dropped the ball on a lot of projects onwards, this is mainly he's much more of an artistic kind of director and he's more concerned about how the set looks, how the actors deliver their lines and the camera angles and symbols used on film than plotting and execution of a story.
@Skewer said:
Looking at this blog I'm surprised that I'm not alone in the territory of how I feel about Tim burton's work on batman. I personally feel that his success was mainly due to a number of factors, the casting and actors who worked on the set, the musical score, the setting, dark atmosphere and designs and not anything Tim burton was involved in. I personally feel that Tim burton gets way too much credit for his films and he's really dropped the ball on a lot of projects onwards, this is mainly he's much more of an artistic kind of director and he's more concerned about how the set looks, how the actors deliver their lines and the camera angles and symbols used on film than plotting and execution of a story.
Pretty much,and yet we still have morons who think his Batman was close to the source material.The fanboys resort to claiming that Burtons Batman was like the Golden Age Batman,there's just one problem HE NEVER READ ANY COMICS GOLDEN AGE OR OTHERWISE,with the exception of the Killing Joke.
@entropy_aegis said:
@Skewer said:
Looking at this blog I'm surprised that I'm not alone in the territory of how I feel about Tim burton's work on batman. I personally feel that his success was mainly due to a number of factors, the casting and actors who worked on the set, the musical score, the setting, dark atmosphere and designs and not anything Tim burton was involved in. I personally feel that Tim burton gets way too much credit for his films and he's really dropped the ball on a lot of projects onwards, this is mainly he's much more of an artistic kind of director and he's more concerned about how the set looks, how the actors deliver their lines and the camera angles and symbols used on film than plotting and execution of a story.Pretty much,and yet we still have morons who think his Batman was close to the source material.The fanboys resort to claiming that Burtons Batman was like the Golden Age Batman,there's just one problem HE NEVER READ ANY COMICS GOLDEN AGE OR OTHERWISE,with the exception of the Killing Joke.
actually he had the Dark Knight returns by his side through the filming of Barman it was his inspiration for Gotham, you can see it in all the special features they released on the bluray copies
@entropy_aegis: I'm pretty sure that's false. The cover of The Killing Joke Deluxe Edition has a quote from him which it sounds like you're (albeit improperly) remembering: "I loved The Killing Joke. It's my favorite. It's the first comic I've ever loved."
On a side note, I think Tim Burton's animated movies truly are great, and I enjoyed Sweeney Todd. His movies over the last few years have been a lot more underwhelming, and I've not seen all his Batman movies, but I think to say that the man in general isn't talented is really just untrue.
@akbogert said:
@entropy_aegis: I'm pretty sure that's false. The cover of The Killing Joke Deluxe Edition has a quote from him which it sounds like you're (albeit improperly) remembering: "I loved The Killing Joke. It's my favorite. It's the first comic I've ever loved."
On a side note, I think Tim Burton's animated movies truly are great, and I enjoyed Sweeney Todd. His movies over the last few years have been a lot more underwhelming, and I've not seen all his Batman movies, but I think to say that the man in general isn't talented is really just untrue.
I didn't say that he was untalented,I love his musical scores and set designs.
The quote is incomplete,he went on to say that he never cared for comics(something to do with dyslexia).
I think after Batman Returns when the studio told him they wanted a lighter Batman he lost a lot of his Darkness bc whenever he tried to make a darker movie the studios made him tone it down for Marketing reasons so i feel like studios really ruined his vision on his movies but that is my opinion I just know when i hear he has a movie out i really cant wait to see it but then it all most always disapoints me bc he dosnt go dark enough anymore.
@entropy_aegis: Well, given the actual quote includes ellipses, I'll believe the quote's "incomplete," haha. But the words that are there -- "first...loved" implies that there were other comics read that were not loved, and that there may have been later loved comics. In either case, it's untrue to say that TKJ was the "only comic he ever got."
And the Tim Burton quality note wasn't necessarily aimed at you; there have just been quite a few people here who seem to think poorly of him and I think in general he's got a better track record than that, even if you don't approve of his Batman flicks.
I love the Burton batman movies i can watch them over and over again i love the Nolan ones as well for different reason but I think Burton catches a lot of sh** for his take on Batman but i think overall he is a great director and set designer IMO some of his new stuff has disapointed me but thats bc i wish they were darker like the Batman Movies i think the studios have killed so much of his vision on films that he has toned down his style a bit.
@akbogert said:
@entropy_aegis: Well, given the actual quote includes ellipses, I'll believe the quote's "incomplete," haha. But the words that are there -- "first...loved" implies that there were other comics read that were not loved, and that there may have been later loved comics. In either case, it's untrue to say that TKJ was the "only comic he ever got."
And the Tim Burton quality note wasn't necessarily aimed at you; there have just been quite a few people here who seem to think poorly of him and I think in general he's got a better track record than that, even if you don't approve of his Batman flicks.
The quote also said he didn't really read comics because he never knew what dialogue to read first and therefore didn't care much for comics and didn't read that much.
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