the dark knight returns part 2

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#1 Posted by sumafatrider (59 posts) - - Show Bio

has anybody seen it yet,i am not going to spoil it for anyone who havent seen it yet, but it was GREAT,the trailer really fools you into thinking its going to be this way but then you get something different and even better

#2 Posted by Whodid (73 posts) - - Show Bio

I wasn't aware it was available to watch, well that's tonight's film sorted, thank you.

#3 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (1683 posts) - - Show Bio

Just found it and i'll be watching it in a bit. Thank you for notifying me lol

#4 Posted by ReachDestroyer (56 posts) - - Show Bio

Where can you watch it?

#5 Posted by FatihBATMAN (1389 posts) - - Show Bio

why isnt part one and two coming to Europe..... :(?

#6 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (1683 posts) - - Show Bio

They did a good job. Very excellent. Michael Emerson killed it as the Joker, and Mark Valley did the same for Superman.

#7 Posted by Z3RO180 (6669 posts) - - Show Bio

@FatihBATMAN: dont know but i can give you a website were you can watch both of them

#8 Posted by FatihBATMAN (1389 posts) - - Show Bio

that would be cool...

#9 Posted by Whodid (73 posts) - - Show Bio

The Dark Knight Returns Part II in one word..................Striking.

#10 Posted by MuyJingo (1934 posts) - - Show Bio

Awesomeness. Nice to see the Batman/Superman battle on film. How silly it is for people to say Batman didn't win that fight...

#11 Posted by Urban_Ronin (9935 posts) - - Show Bio

Its not officially out yet so please do not post any links in the thread where it can be viewed. Thanks :)

#12 Posted by entropy_aegis (15472 posts) - - Show Bio

@MuyJingo said:

Awesomeness. Nice to see the Batman/Superman battle on film. How silly it is for people to say Batman didn't win that fight...

Except that he didn't,Superman was holding back and Ollie was instrumental.

#13 Posted by MuyJingo (1934 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

@MuyJingo said:

Awesomeness. Nice to see the Batman/Superman battle on film. How silly it is for people to say Batman didn't win that fight...

Except that he didn't,Superman was holding back and Ollie was instrumental.

Yeah, that doesn't mean he didn't win. He had help and advantages, but still beat him. Woudl eh have without help and if Superman wasn't weakened? Nope. But he was and he did.

#14 Posted by entropy_aegis (15472 posts) - - Show Bio

@MuyJingo said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@MuyJingo said:

Awesomeness. Nice to see the Batman/Superman battle on film. How silly it is for people to say Batman didn't win that fight...

Except that he didn't,Superman was holding back and Ollie was instrumental.

Yeah, that doesn't mean he didn't win. He had help and advantages, but still beat him. Woudl eh have without help and if Superman wasn't weakened? Nope. But he was and he did.

A fight is not a fight if one of the characters is holding back,especially to the extent that Superman was.Great showing for Batman but he didn't win.

#15 Posted by MuyJingo (1934 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

@MuyJingo said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@MuyJingo said:

Awesomeness. Nice to see the Batman/Superman battle on film. How silly it is for people to say Batman didn't win that fight...

Except that he didn't,Superman was holding back and Ollie was instrumental.

Yeah, that doesn't mean he didn't win. He had help and advantages, but still beat him. Woudl eh have without help and if Superman wasn't weakened? Nope. But he was and he did.

A fight is not a fight if one of the characters is holding back,especially to the extent that Superman was.Great showing for Batman but he didn't win.

Utter nonsense.

#16 Posted by entropy_aegis (15472 posts) - - Show Bio

@MuyJingo said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@MuyJingo said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@MuyJingo said:

Awesomeness. Nice to see the Batman/Superman battle on film. How silly it is for people to say Batman didn't win that fight...

Except that he didn't,Superman was holding back and Ollie was instrumental.

Yeah, that doesn't mean he didn't win. He had help and advantages, but still beat him. Woudl eh have without help and if Superman wasn't weakened? Nope. But he was and he did.

A fight is not a fight if one of the characters is holding back,especially to the extent that Superman was.Great showing for Batman but he didn't win.

Utter nonsense.

Says you,Superman could have destroyed him instead to trying to talk to him.

#17 Posted by havoc1201 (521 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

@MuyJingo said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@MuyJingo said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@MuyJingo said:

Awesomeness. Nice to see the Batman/Superman battle on film. How silly it is for people to say Batman didn't win that fight...

Except that he didn't,Superman was holding back and Ollie was instrumental.

Yeah, that doesn't mean he didn't win. He had help and advantages, but still beat him. Woudl eh have without help and if Superman wasn't weakened? Nope. But he was and he did.

A fight is not a fight if one of the characters is holding back,especially to the extent that Superman was.Great showing for Batman but he didn't win.

Utter nonsense.

Says you,Superman could have destroyed him instead to trying to talk to him.

Yes superman was weakened but so was bruce he just had his guts put back into his stomach so they both were not 100% and Batman absolutely won that fight.

#18 Posted by sumafatrider (59 posts) - - Show Bio

@MuyJingo said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@MuyJingo said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@MuyJingo said:

Awesomeness. Nice to see the Batman/Superman battle on film. How silly it is for people to say Batman didn't win that fight...

Except that he didn't,Superman was holding back and Ollie was instrumental.

Yeah, that doesn't mean he didn't win. He had help and advantages, but still beat him. Woudl eh have without help and if Superman wasn't weakened? Nope. But he was and he did.

A fight is not a fight if one of the characters is holding back,especially to the extent that Superman was.Great showing for Batman but he didn't win.

Utter nonsense.

one question what stoped superman from frying batman with his laizer from the sky? ok may be batman thought it through,if you watched it you would see he did something to bring superman down to the ground,so no flight advantage,but he was holding back he didnt want to kill batman

#19 Posted by MuyJingo (1934 posts) - - Show Bio

OK, let me put it this way. If I am in a fight with the rock, and the rock holds back, and I knock him out by hitting him with a frying pan...I still won the fight.

#20 Posted by RedOwl_1 (1664 posts) - - Show Bio

I didn't knew I could watch it now.... well now I know what I am doing this Friday night.

#21 Posted by entropy_aegis (15472 posts) - - Show Bio

@MuyJingo said:

OK, let me put it this way. If I am in a fight with the rock, and the rock holds back, and I knock him out by hitting him with a frying pan...I still won the fight.

No you did not,by that logic younger siblings beat their older ones all the time.@havoc1201 said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@MuyJingo said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@MuyJingo said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@MuyJingo said:

Awesomeness. Nice to see the Batman/Superman battle on film. How silly it is for people to say Batman didn't win that fight...

Except that he didn't,Superman was holding back and Ollie was instrumental.

Yeah, that doesn't mean he didn't win. He had help and advantages, but still beat him. Woudl eh have without help and if Superman wasn't weakened? Nope. But he was and he did.

A fight is not a fight if one of the characters is holding back,especially to the extent that Superman was.Great showing for Batman but he didn't win.

Utter nonsense.

Says you,Superman could have destroyed him instead to trying to talk to him.

Yes superman was weakened but so was bruce he just had his guts put back into his stomach so they both were not 100% and Batman absolutely won that fight.

There were times in the fight where Supes stopped to talk and reason when he had the advantage,he wasn't even giving 20% of his power to the fight at hand,no Batman did not win.

#22 Posted by MrShway88 (677 posts) - - Show Bio

What day does the video come out?

#23 Posted by JLDoom (2310 posts) - - Show Bio

Man, I cant wait for this movie to come out!

@MrShway88 said:

What day does the video come out?

January 29

#24 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29510 posts) - - Show Bio

It was really great.

#25 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (1683 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

@MuyJingo said:

OK, let me put it this way. If I am in a fight with the rock, and the rock holds back, and I knock him out by hitting him with a frying pan...I still won the fight.

No you did not,by that logic younger siblings beat their older ones all the time.@havoc1201 said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@MuyJingo said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@MuyJingo said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@MuyJingo said:

Awesomeness. Nice to see the Batman/Superman battle on film. How silly it is for people to say Batman didn't win that fight...

Except that he didn't,Superman was holding back and Ollie was instrumental.

Yeah, that doesn't mean he didn't win. He had help and advantages, but still beat him. Woudl eh have without help and if Superman wasn't weakened? Nope. But he was and he did.

A fight is not a fight if one of the characters is holding back,especially to the extent that Superman was.Great showing for Batman but he didn't win.

Utter nonsense.

Says you,Superman could have destroyed him instead to trying to talk to him.

Yes superman was weakened but so was bruce he just had his guts put back into his stomach so they both were not 100% and Batman absolutely won that fight.

There were times in the fight where Supes stopped to talk and reason when he had the advantage,he wasn't even giving 20% of his power to the fight at hand,no Batman did not win.

Let me just ask, how does a person win the fight when they die and the other person's still alive at the end? In all seriousness, that never made any sense to me. Superman wasn't even knocked out. He was completely conscious and Batman was talking about how he was the one man who'd beaten Superman. That makes absolutely no sense, because Superman was still capable of fighting, and had in fact been capable of crushing Batman at any time throughout the fight, despite the fact he was weakened from tanking a nuke like a week earlier. At best, Batman had the edge against a weakened Superman that was holding back immensely. Not sure how much that really means.

#26 Posted by Sinfulplayerx (193 posts) - - Show Bio

I liked it. Part 1 was better.

#27 Posted by dboy4dashing (85 posts) - - Show Bio

IT WAS GREAT! I love the music and the voice talent! Both of them together rocked!

#28 Posted by MuyJingo (1934 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nathaniel_Christopher said:


Let me just ask, how does a person win the fight when they die and the other person's still alive at the end? In all seriousness, that never made any sense to me. Superman wasn't even knocked out. He was completely conscious and Batman was talking about how he was the one man who'd beaten Superman. That makes absolutely no sense, because Superman was still capable of fighting, and had in fact been capable of crushing Batman at any time throughout the fight, despite the fact he was weakened from tanking a nuke like a week earlier. At best, Batman had the edge against a weakened Superman that was holding back immensely. Not sure how much that really means.

As Batman explained, he showed Superman mercy. He could have made the attack fatal. When Superman was gasping for breath on the flaw too weak to get up and had no choice but to listen...that's when he was beat.

#29 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (1683 posts) - - Show Bio

@MuyJingo said:

@Nathaniel_Christopher said:


Let me just ask, how does a person win the fight when they die and the other person's still alive at the end? In all seriousness, that never made any sense to me. Superman wasn't even knocked out. He was completely conscious and Batman was talking about how he was the one man who'd beaten Superman. That makes absolutely no sense, because Superman was still capable of fighting, and had in fact been capable of crushing Batman at any time throughout the fight, despite the fact he was weakened from tanking a nuke like a week earlier. At best, Batman had the edge against a weakened Superman that was holding back immensely. Not sure how much that really means.

As Batman explained, he showed Superman mercy. He could have made the attack fatal. When Superman was gasping for breath on the flaw too weak to get up and had no choice but to listen...that's when he was beat.

Yet as I pointed out, Superman could've done the exact same thing, at literally any time in the story! Including that fight!!! The entire confrontation was Batman going all out against a man who didn't want to fight him, and then still dying. Again, i'm not sure how much that really means, because people like to act as if Superman was giving it his all during that fight, like it was a fight between Superman and Darkseid or something.

#30 Posted by MuyJingo (1934 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nathaniel_Christopher said:

@MuyJingo said:

@Nathaniel_Christopher said:


Let me just ask, how does a person win the fight when they die and the other person's still alive at the end? In all seriousness, that never made any sense to me. Superman wasn't even knocked out. He was completely conscious and Batman was talking about how he was the one man who'd beaten Superman. That makes absolutely no sense, because Superman was still capable of fighting, and had in fact been capable of crushing Batman at any time throughout the fight, despite the fact he was weakened from tanking a nuke like a week earlier. At best, Batman had the edge against a weakened Superman that was holding back immensely. Not sure how much that really means.

As Batman explained, he showed Superman mercy. He could have made the attack fatal. When Superman was gasping for breath on the flaw too weak to get up and had no choice but to listen...that's when he was beat.

Yet as I pointed out, Superman could've done the exact same thing, at literally any time in the story! Including that fight!!! The entire confrontation was Batman going all out against a man who didn't want to fight him, and then still dying. Again, i'm not sure how much that really means, because people like to act as if Superman was giving it his all during that fight, like it was a fight between Superman and Darkseid or something.

I agree Superman was probably holding back and so didn't give it his all. But that doesn't matter. In the fight we saw, Batman won. Discussing the significance of that, if it has any is a different matter.

#31 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (1683 posts) - - Show Bio

@MuyJingo said:

@Nathaniel_Christopher said:

@MuyJingo said:

@Nathaniel_Christopher said:


Let me just ask, how does a person win the fight when they die and the other person's still alive at the end? In all seriousness, that never made any sense to me. Superman wasn't even knocked out. He was completely conscious and Batman was talking about how he was the one man who'd beaten Superman. That makes absolutely no sense, because Superman was still capable of fighting, and had in fact been capable of crushing Batman at any time throughout the fight, despite the fact he was weakened from tanking a nuke like a week earlier. At best, Batman had the edge against a weakened Superman that was holding back immensely. Not sure how much that really means.

As Batman explained, he showed Superman mercy. He could have made the attack fatal. When Superman was gasping for breath on the flaw too weak to get up and had no choice but to listen...that's when he was beat.

Yet as I pointed out, Superman could've done the exact same thing, at literally any time in the story! Including that fight!!! The entire confrontation was Batman going all out against a man who didn't want to fight him, and then still dying. Again, i'm not sure how much that really means, because people like to act as if Superman was giving it his all during that fight, like it was a fight between Superman and Darkseid or something.

I agree Superman was probably holding back and so didn't give it his all. But that doesn't matter. In the fight we saw, Batman won. Discussing the significance of that, if it has any is a different matter.

Probably? I think it was pretty clear. You're saying Batman won because he showed mercy. Argument falls apart because Superman did the exact same thing. If showing mercy means you beat someone else then Superman won way before the final confrontation.At best, Batman "won" against a Superman who was weakened at the start, holding back, and with help, and even then he died. So again, i'm not sure how much that really means.

#32 Edited by MuyJingo (1934 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nathaniel_Christopher said:


Probably? I think it was pretty clear. You're saying Batman won because he showed mercy. Argument falls apart because Superman did the exact same thing. If showing mercy means you beat someone else then Superman won way before the final confrontation.At best, Batman "won" against a Superman who was weakened at the start, holding back, and with help, and even then he died. So again, i'm not sure how much that really means.

I have no idea how this is even a point of discussion. What is it with superman fanbois? There is no rule saying that in a fight if one side holds back it doesn't count, or if that someone shows mercy they haven't won.

A fight is a fight...blows were exchanged...theyt were fighting. It doesn't matter how, but Superman was on the ground gasping for air, Batman was over him giving a victory speech. He won.

As I said, it's fine to say it was a meaningless victory because superman was holding back, but it was a victory nonetheless. To dispute that is borderline retarded.

#33 Edited by Nathaniel_Christopher (1683 posts) - - Show Bio

@MuyJingo said:

@Nathaniel_Christopher said:


Probably? I think it was pretty clear. You're saying Batman won because he showed mercy. Argument falls apart because Superman did the exact same thing. If showing mercy means you beat someone else then Superman won way before the final confrontation.At best, Batman "won" against a Superman who was weakened at the start, holding back, and with help, and even then he died. So again, i'm not sure how much that really means.

I have no idea how this is even a point of discussion. What is it with superman fanbois? There is no rule saying that in a fight if one side holds back it doesn't count, or if that someone shows mercy they haven't won.

A fight is a fight...blows were exchanged...theyt were fighting. It doesn't matter how, but Superman was on the ground gasping for air, Batman was over him giving a victory speech. He fucking won.

As I said, it's fine to say it was a meaningless victory because superman was holding back, but it was a victory nonetheless. To dispute that is borderline retarded.

I mean, I wouldn't say it's important, just pointing it out. And see, why do I have to be a Superman fanboy because I don't agree with you? You're getting angry over nothing. That doesn't make any sense. I'm saying I personally don't believe it counts, but that if you do you have to acknowledge the fact that Superman was holding back and that the fight didn't end with him dying. You can still say he won if you want, but if you're say talking to a random person and don't mention it than you're simply misinforming them. And I was just pointing out that the reasoning that Batman won because he showed mercy doesn't hold up.

#34 Posted by MuyJingo (1934 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nathaniel_Christopher: Because people are saying he didn't win, when he did. If you want to say that the win doesn't count, that is fine. I respect that view and may even agree with it. But that the win does not count it is a separate topic, a topic that is moot unless you first acknowledge that he won.

#35 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (1683 posts) - - Show Bio

@MuyJingo said:

@Nathaniel_Christopher: Because people are saying he didn't win, when he did. If you want to say that the win doesn't count, that is fine. I respect that view and may even agree with it. But that the win does not count it is a separate topic, a topic that is moot unless you first acknowledge that he won.

Oh i'm not acknowledging that he won. Let's both be very, very clear. I wouldn't call that a win, that's just me. I'm saying that even if you do think he won (Which you of course do) you still have to be clear on the circumstances of the victory. Superman held back, was weakened, and Bruce had prep of course.

#36 Posted by MuyJingo (1934 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nathaniel_Christopher: Sigh. That's what I find so stupid. You ARE acknowledging he won, by making excuses as to why it does not count.

If you have just had major surgery and are in a weakened state and I'm on steroids and we fight and I knock you out. It's fine to say it doesn't count, but it is still a win.

#37 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (1683 posts) - - Show Bio

@MuyJingo said:

@Nathaniel_Christopher: Sigh. That's what I find so stupid. You ARE acknowledging he won, by making excuses as to why it does not count.

If you have just had major surgery and are in a weakened state and I'm on steroids and we fight and I knock you out. It's fine to say it doesn't count, but it is still a win.

No, i'm pointing out the reasons he didn't win.

Then call it that, but be specific. Going around saying it's a win paints a different picture in people's minds.

#38 Posted by Nightwing4 (373 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman won the fight. Simple minded people think of the fight as the punching through walls and whatnot. That's Superman's "fight." The reality is that Bruce beat Clark on the battlefield of the mind way before the "fight" even happened. It came down to what they were each WILLING TO DO. How far they would go. Bruce knew he had Clark beat there all along.

#39 Edited by Omnicrono (2003 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

There were times in the fight where Supes stopped to talk and reason when he had the advantage,he wasn't even giving 20% of his power to the fight at hand,no Batman did not win.

I think perhaps you are being stubborn.

Both Superman and Batman were at a disadvantage in several ways, so your point is essentially a wash in my opinion.

Bruce himself wasn't anywhere near 100 percent after his bout with Joker. Not to mention he was like 55-60 years old and most certainly not in his prime during this story, whereas age was not a factor for Superman.

There were times when Bruce also stopped to talk... in particular, at the end when he held a Kryptonite-soaked Superman's life in his hands but didn't kill him.

Batman won. That was always a major part of the story and why it is such a great one. Batman beat Superman not using super powers alone, but primarily using strategy and resourcefulness. Accept it and move on.

#40 Posted by ULTRAstarkiller (6289 posts) - - Show Bio

@sumafatrider: its amazing its on animeflavor in great quality http://animeflavor.com/cartoon/batman-dark-knight-returns-part-2

#41 Posted by Reignmaker (2235 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyone that doesn't call Batman the victor in this Superman fight is lying to themselves. Using that same logic would mean Bane never beat Batman since Bats was in a weakened state. Derp. Since when do perfect battle forum rules apply in real life or even comic books for that matter? Batman took Supes down the best way he knew how - He used Clark's "nice guy" persona against him.

#42 Posted by entropy_aegis (15472 posts) - - Show Bio

@Reignmaker said:

Anyone that doesn't call Batman the victor in this Superman fight is lying to themselves. Using that same logic would mean Bane never beat Batman since Bats was in a weakened state. Derp. Since when do perfect battle forum rules apply in real life or even comic books for that matter? Batman took Supes down the best way he knew how - He used Clark's "nice guy" persona against him.

Irrelevant comparison,Bane could've taken him down back in Vengeance of Bane 1,he wanted his victory to be absolute,complete and so thorough that Batman wouldn't even think of coming back.

He cant even touch Superman unless Supes lets him.

Batman won because plot demanded it,either way it's a non canon story and this Batman fed Robin rats so not sure why Batfans wanna treat it as gospel.

#43 Posted by entropy_aegis (15472 posts) - - Show Bio

@Omnicrono said:

@entropy_aegis said:

There were times in the fight where Supes stopped to talk and reason when he had the advantage,he wasn't even giving 20% of his power to the fight at hand,no Batman did not win.

I think perhaps you are being stubborn.

Both Superman and Batman were at a disadvantage in several ways, so your point is essentially a wash in my opinion.

Bruce himself wasn't anywhere near 100 percent after his bout with Joker. Not to mention he was like 55-60 years old and most certainly not in his prime during this story, whereas age was not a factor for Superman.

There were times when Bruce also stopped to talk... in particular, at the end when he held a Kryptonite-soaked Superman's life in his hands but didn't kill him.

Batman won. That was always a major part of the story and why it is such a great one. Batman beat Superman not using super powers alone, but primarily using strategy and resourcefulness. Accept it and move on.

http://www.comicvine.com/myvine/citizenbane/superman-vs-batman/87-79268/

#44 Posted by ComicStooge (13743 posts) - - Show Bio

With a great movie comes great fanwankery.

#45 Posted by Reignmaker (2235 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh no, not the whole "it's not cannon" argument! Have mercy...

DC has rewritten its "cannon" so many times, it's quite pointless to pick and choose what you want to follow as gospel. Besides we're just talking about whether he won for purposes of this story. And he did.

#46 Posted by Omnicrono (2003 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

@Omnicrono said:

@entropy_aegis said:

There were times in the fight where Supes stopped to talk and reason when he had the advantage,he wasn't even giving 20% of his power to the fight at hand,no Batman did not win.

I think perhaps you are being stubborn.

Both Superman and Batman were at a disadvantage in several ways, so your point is essentially a wash in my opinion.

Bruce himself wasn't anywhere near 100 percent after his bout with Joker. Not to mention he was like 55-60 years old and most certainly not in his prime during this story, whereas age was not a factor for Superman.

There were times when Bruce also stopped to talk... in particular, at the end when he held a Kryptonite-soaked Superman's life in his hands but didn't kill him.

Batman won. That was always a major part of the story and why it is such a great one. Batman beat Superman not using super powers alone, but primarily using strategy and resourcefulness. Accept it and move on.

http://www.comicvine.com/myvine/citizenbane/superman-vs-batman/87-79268/

CitizenBane knows his stuff, but he is not the be-all-end-all deciding factor of comic book debates. I don't care who he is or how many followers he has. I've already debated with him on this issue to some extent.

#47 Posted by MuyJingo (1934 posts) - - Show Bio
#48 Edited by Omnicrono (2003 posts) - - Show Bio

@MuyJingo said:

@Omnicrono: Besides, that particular post is a poor example, biased, cherry picked and misinforming. It's funny because his Hulk vs Thor is actually objective and very well done. If only he had taken the same approach with his Superman vs Batman article. In the meanwhile, I suggest mine: http://www.comicvine.com/myvine/muyjingo/why-it-is-completely-plausible-that-batman-can-beat-superman/87-80187/

Thanks, MuyJingo. I will take a look at it.

Don't get me wrong, I respect that CitizenBane is knowledgeable, and that he seems to form his opinions intelligently (more often than not), but at the end of the day they are still simply that - opinions. Granted, many people do not even seem to know how to form and intelligent opinion.

#49 Posted by MuyJingo (1934 posts) - - Show Bio

@Omnicrono: I agree with you about CB, I respect him and he does know his stuff. But, I don't think he is mature enough (and IIRC he is in high school) to argue his point sometimes. He accuses people of cherrypicking feats and dismissing PIS/CIS stories, yet that's exactly what he does when it comes to Superman. One idiot writer showed Superman as being able to see to the end of the universe, which there was no other example of, yet he then takes that as proof as to the level of his power....

#50 Edited by Omnicrono (2003 posts) - - Show Bio

@MuyJingo said:

@Omnicrono: I agree with you about CB, I respect him and he does know his stuff. But, I don't think he is mature enough (and IIRC he is in high school) to argue his point sometimes. He accuses people of cherrypicking feats and dismissing PIS/CIS stories, yet that's exactly what he does when it comes to Superman. One idiot writer showed Superman as being able to see to the end of the universe, which there was no other example of, yet he then takes that as proof as to the level of his power....

If you are interested, here's a little blog I wrote up (work in progress) addressing the issue of PIS/WIS, which actually sprang from an earlier debate I had with CitizenBane and a few other Viners regarding the plausibility of Batman holding his own (notice, I didn't even say "winning," although I think he could given the right circumstances) against guys like Superman and Spider-man:

http://www.comicvine.com/myvine/omnicrono/pis-bologna-cheese-if-you-please/87-84193/

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