There are two schools of thought on Snyder's Batman;

There are those who believe it a derivative, pointlessly gratuitous piece of egotistical garbage.

Then there are those who are wrong.

Way overhyped.

I love Batman, but this series is just mediocre. I really don't get the hype for it.

Not really

What amazes me is the amount of love it gets.

This.

It's over hyped. I much prefer Grant Morrison's Batman Inc and his Batman run.

It is a bit overhyped but I like it.

Black Mirror is ine of thr best batman stories EVER TOLD!!!!!

Best Batman ever. End of thread.

the truth

I'm a few issues behind(I get the British reprint series and it's only up to #18), and I've thought it was pretty good. Not terrible, not amazing, but worth a read.

I do think some of the reactions I've seen have overhyped it a bit.

@v_scarlotte_rose: I think we're on the same wave length here.

That could be true, but the question was specifically about the New 52 Batman series.

I think scott snyders amazing and give him a few more years.

And his gonno be alan moore/grant morrison/geoff johns level famous.

But yes it is overhyped. B

@fadetoblackbolt said:

Lol, this a hardcore Morrison fan's view on Snyder's work?

Court of Owls is a new classic.

Death of the Family is a fantastic focus on the relationship ebtween Batman and Joker, but not good for a monthly title.

Zero Year is meh.

batman is awesome, new 52 batman is one of the best batman runs....but hey haters gonna hate.

There have been better stories and better writers. There have been way better stories and way better writers. But Snyder has been killing it in terms of originality and a look into Bruce's psyche. But seeing how this thread is essentially an invitation to all those who have beef with the title, I won't try to argue with anyone.

New classic? Debatable. I find the entire premise of the Court so hard to fathom; that there was some organisation so secretive and clever that even the Batman wasn't aware of for so many years, especially with all the stuff that's happened to him in recents years (I'm looking at you Black Glove society). They only way I can reconcile this is that their existance is some ripple effect from Flashpoint. This annoyance aside, I did enjoy the arc! Oh, I also don't care for Harper Row.

Death of the Family was so dreadfully marketed that it ended up being the one of the biggest disappointments from DC in recent years that I can recall.

Zero Year has had like two issues at present. Too early to judge.

Read a bit of it, didn't really get the hype.

Fair, I mostly say that because he introduced a new villain that wasn't awful; the Court of Owls, Talon and Thomas Wayne Jr. And also Personally I just really enjoyed it. Granted, I wasn't reading comics when they did Black Glove. I will say though, i agree, that Harper Row sucks.

That was really the problem with it. It wasn't a bad story, but they marketed it as a game changer, when it was really just a love letter to teh relationship between Batman and Joker. It's incredibly well written, but would have been much better as a non-New 52 graphic novel.

That's true. I'm jsut not a fan of going back and showing Batman's origin again. Not because I think it's poorly written, I've just seen his origin a dozen times.

This.

I can get over the mild annoyance, at least they're good villains. Thomas Wayne Jr. is a potentially an iconic villain for Batman. Imagine a triangle with him at once corner, Joker at the other and Batman at the other. Nice to have the symmetry with Earth 2 too.

I wonder if the ramifications of DoTF will actually last? Problem with DoTF is that we haven't really yet had a chance to see the full extent of the relationships between the different members of the Bat family. Also, its release was terribly, terribly timed next to the events going down in Morrison's Incorporated.

I like Year One (though I'm not a massive fan of Miller in general) but I think it's about time Batman's origin was updated for the New 52.

Pretty much, but great moments.

I enjoy his writing, but a lot of people think he is the greatest...I think he is over-hyped!

I believe he could become one of the greatest. I think his best is yet to come.

Court of Owls is derivative of The Order of St Dumas and the League of Assassins... and doesn't make sense as others have mentioned. There isn't any reason however that there couldn't be a a Court of Owls that formed in the USA... I'd use the NWO mythos and say the Illuminati and Free Masons are really where there roots are but the Court of Owls spawned from them in the New World and dissociated themselves from those groups and then it makes sense for Haley's Circus and it makes sense for them to now attack Bruce as you could claim he poses a threat to them, especially with allies like Superman... you could then also tie this in with things like the JLA and JLD and perhaps the Trinity War what with the Question likely putting these things together... So fixing it to not be Gotham specific leads to so much greater potential, and makes more sense, but instead it's just a poor mans League and St. Dumas

The Death of the Family was a stunning example of just how much Snyder and the people writing these books don't understand any of these characters or care about them. It's not only that the whole thing is a poor interpretation... it's also that it is a cliche interpretation of those who want to say something smart sounding about Batman but really don't understand him or any of the characters surrounding him. It's insulting that the best this high paid so-called creative intelligent person can come up with is not a new interpretation on a character but the same schlock two bit hacks on just about any forums comes up with... yeah, money well spent v.v

Year Zero... so far it's meh. It doesn't keep it's own time line straight, says it's not over writing Year One but clearly is, and, like with all the other Batman villains so far messed around with by these idiots, makes Joker just another psychopath or a criminal with gimmick. Joker has lost all that made him interesting under Snyder and instead of the interesting characters that present us readers with challenging philosophies and view points we are instead getting "Oh he's just crazy" rather than "He's got a point, but they take it too far"

The few things I've really enjoyed was Thomas Wayne Jr and the Joker's massacre at Gotham PD. Somethings are absolutely ridiculous. Why did Batman need to punch a horse? I do not understand.

It's interesting that the 5 answers are evenly split.

I have stated my opinion in other forums on Snyders run, I voted over hyped but enjoyable.

Court of Owls: loved it

Second arc: Not as good but still not bad

Death of the family: ehhhh, kind of an overrated arc, didn't really do much to the status quo

Batman Zero Year: total shit so far. Unnecessary.

Scott Snyder has gone from one of my favorite writers to very "meh" for me. I'm also about to drop Batman. I was one of those who stood up for Zero Year before its release. But lets be honest, now that its come out there's no denying how unnecessary this story is. Plus its bored me to tears seeing Batman's origin again. Just end it already and bring back the Court. Anyway, hard to believe I'm saying this, but I'll probably be dropping Batman.

He writes batman as more pf a physical brute, and less of an intellectual and detective. He has made him arrogant and rather unlikeable.

The stories suffer for this, with him doing stupid stuff like telling Joker his identity and refusing to investigate the court for the longest time because "he looked into it" as a child.

I much preferred Morison's run.

The first part is especially true in Zero Year. Snyders Batman Is really annoying right now.

I agree that that was really bad writing on Snyders part, Why would Bruce risk telling Joker his secret Identity just to prove a point?

Morrison's run had some pretty bad moments as well, Batman and Son was just Okay and Batman R.I.P. was mediocre in my opinion. Im still convinced that Jeph Loeb is the best Batman writer

Greg Rucka or Denny O'neil for me.

Batman being annoying is showing how immature he is right now and gives him room to grow as a hero. It's not overhyped at all to me. They are great and no one claimed they were the best stories ever

I felt Death of the Family got a little over hyped, but I thought the Court of Owls storyline was amazing and one of the best storylines, so far, from the New 52.

@john_valentine: exactly what I meant, Thomas Wayne Jr. Can easily become a new iconic villain.

The problem with DotF, is Batman Incorporated invalidates it. The families all like we're going to not trust each other or like each other anymore. Then we see that they're all together fighting Leviathan. It ruins DotF's ending.

That's fair, but I think it's a tad too long for that. A simple 3 issue arc could I relate the origin but instead they're doing 11 issues...

I love the run, but I dont think its the most amazing things ever. one big problem is snyder dose not know how to write a good ending to an arc.

It's as overhyped as Mark Waid's Daredevil

It's good. Not the best, but good. Classic, straightforward Batman stories are back and I couldn't be happier. People forget that Capullo is also a big reason why this book is successful. Morrison never had this kind of consistency with his artists. And Denny O'Neil was the greatest Batman writer ever. He set the stage for Miller, brought Batman back to his noir detective roots, created Ras, wrote some of the best Joker stories ever, etc.

Its very overhyped but still its not that bad and got some cool moments, I feel its okay, not great not very good just okay.

@john_valentine said:

It's the view of a (one of the, on this site) hardcore Batman fan.

No he really cant,he's just a terrible,useless, nonsensical villain who started off as a nobody with zero personality and ended up becoming the villain cause the writer had pinned himself in to a corner.If Johns debuts a new Owlman in Forever Evil then this guy will be completely forgotten,he'll go the way of Hush,a villain who looked cool but had a shitty background and motivation and was not even original. Morrison even made fun of villains like these(the fall of Doctor Hurt),heck despite being a satire of characters like Hush and Lincoln Hurt STILL ended up being far more dangerous and intriguing.

Wrath is gonna be THE anti-Batman after Layman is done with him mark my words.

If Jeph Loeb had written RIP it would've ended up with Bane secretly being El Sombero pulling the strings behind Hurt and allowing the Joker to kill him for a misdirect,and Batman going WTF.

The fact that I could barely sleep the day before the finale for Death of the Family was released pays tribute to what I think of Snyder's run.

Psst it's just one day,I've been unable to sleep properly ever since Snyder took over.

haha, fair play

@fadetoblackbolt: I agree with your view on snyders batman work. But just out of curiosity what. Batman run is the best in your opinion

Morrison's run is Fade's favourite Batman run of all time. I'll let him explain why though :P

Chuck Dixon is probably the best over all Batman writer...

Ditto on the O'Neil thoughts. I do disagree about Capullo, but that's just me. I've never like Capullo's art.