scott snyder respect thread

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#1 Posted by havoc1201 (521 posts) - - Show Bio

i feel scott snyder is doing an amazing job on batman from court of owls up to the death of the family arch, and how he said that in his batman everything from the pre new 52 happened. i feel he gets Bruce and Gothem, any thoughts?

#2 Posted by vernierhawk001 (539 posts) - - Show Bio

@havoc1201: No thoughts except for "I agree wholeheartedly". I get floored everytime I read death of the family. It's truly an awesome feeling to know that you are reading what will be regarded for years as a classic...when it is still being published issue by issue. Its like being able to tell your kid "you think Star Wars is awesome now? I remember having to wait after Empire to see how Luke would deal with being Vader's kid" or something like that.

On another note, to have Court of Owls already being hailed as a classic, this Death of the Family (which will be unless he screws up horribly in the coming months) and then stuff like Black Mirror (which I also own) I think is a feat. Not to mention having all of these works not only accepted but loved by the fanbase of such an old and beloved character as the Batman. We fans can be somewhat violent at times *cough* The fact that no one has called for Snyder's head on a platter but instead are begging him to keep writing the character is a feat in itself

on a sidenote, i'm actually scared that his work on superman will make me like the character 0_0

#3 Posted by entropy_aegis (15427 posts) - - Show Bio

@vernierhawk001 said:

@havoc1201: No thoughts except for "I agree wholeheartedly". I get floored everytime I read death of the family. It's truly an awesome feeling to know that you are reading what will be regarded for years as a classic...when it is still being published issue by issue. Its like being able to tell your kid "you think Star Wars is awesome now? I remember having to wait after Empire to see how Luke would deal with being Vader's kid" or something like that.

On another note, to have Court of Owls already being hailed as a classic, this Death of the Family (which will be unless he screws up horribly in the coming months) and then stuff like Black Mirror (which I also own) I think is a feat. Not to mention having all of these works not only accepted but loved by the fanbase of such an old and beloved character as the Batman. We fans can be somewhat violent at times *cough* The fact that no one has called for Snyder's head on a platter but instead are begging him to keep writing the character is a feat in itself

on a sidenote, i'm actually scared that his work on superman will make me like the character 0_0

You must not have visited Comicbook Resources and Superhero Hype.I have issues with his work but since it's a respect thread I wont discuss them here.

#4 Posted by vernierhawk001 (539 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: Oops...my bad. The stuff I have heard has been positive. Could you give me a readers digest version of the issues you have? either on here or PM

#5 Posted by entropy_aegis (15427 posts) - - Show Bio

@vernierhawk001 said:

@entropy_aegis: Oops...my bad. The stuff I have heard has been positive. Could you give me a readers digest version of the issues you have? either on here or PM

Sent the PM.

#6 Posted by Blood1991 (8082 posts) - - Show Bio

I wish he focused less on Batman and more on his villains personally, but he is very talented.

#7 Posted by FatihBATMAN (1389 posts) - - Show Bio

Great guy, looking forward to reading his work

#8 Posted by Alexander505 (2177 posts) - - Show Bio

Absolutely great author, he doing a very good work with Batman.

#9 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (1684 posts) - - Show Bio

I commend him for having a good grasp of the character, as well as the Bat universe as a whole.

#10 Posted by RaggedScarecrow (944 posts) - - Show Bio

Before Snyder I was a Marvel only guy. Then I picked up the Court of Owls Graphic Novel and it was all over for me. I went from only Marvel to mostly DC. Have to say I'm enjoying the back up stories he's doing in the Death of the Family. I like that he's showing Joker's reactions to some of the other Bat villains.

#11 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18673 posts) - - Show Bio

oh boy, this is bad.....

#12 Edited by FadeToBlackBolt (23238 posts) - - Show Bio

Because there isn't a disrespect thread, I'll just whack my gripes in a spoiler, but let's just say it's not surprising he's loved by people who've never read a Batman comic in their life.  
 
               

              
-FadeToBlackBolt's opinions do represent those of the author, and consequently, the opinions that should be regarded as truth, as he's freaking brilliant and right so often that statistics analysts have decided to simply refer to 99.999% recurring positive probability as "Fade's number".
#13 Posted by SupBatz (1847 posts) - - Show Bio

He's definitely a good writer that I look forward to reading every month.

That being said, I don't like that his Batman seems somewhat inept. In Court of Owls and so far in Death of the Family, Bruce just seems completely unprepared for and blindsided by everything. I'm not asking for Bat-God (a phrase I want to hit myself for using). But we're reading a seasoned super-hero. BATMAN. I would hope that he'd be a bit more formidable an adversary.

Nevertheless, Snyder's writing definitely is, as a whole, very good.

#14 Edited by JairamGanpat (926 posts) - - Show Bio

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

Because there isn't a disrespect thread, I'll just whack my gripes in a spoiler, but let's just say it's not surprising he's loved by people who've never read a Batman comic in their life.

Terrible, unoriginal, and purely exploitation writer.
All of his plotlines are stolen and rehashed versions of better Grant Morrison stories. Save for Death in the Family which is just a remake of, yep, Death in the Family.
His gratuitous style appeals solely to people who think the Joker wearing his face upside down is "badass" and "edgy", aka, idiots.
His version of "deep" storytelling is to simply have Batman suffer for no other reason than he can't write anything else.
He's writing torture porn, that's all it is.
-FadeToBlackBolt's opinions do represent those of the author, and consequently, the opinions that should be regarded as truth, as he's freaking brilliant and right so often that statistics analysts have decided to simply refer to 99.999% recurring positive probability as "Fade's number".

How do you feel about the other comics he's written?

#15 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23238 posts) - - Show Bio
@JairamGanpat: Not read them, but I'm perfectly willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on those. His Batman is just plain bad though. One only needs to look at who loves it; new fans, cretins, and Bruce-detractors. Not exactly the audience of a great Bruce Wayne series.
#16 Posted by JairamGanpat (926 posts) - - Show Bio

@FadeToBlackBolt: Well... I guess that's the point. lol

DC wants a wider audience and the fans can go suck it for all they care. Business is business as usual.

#17 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23238 posts) - - Show Bio
@JairamGanpat: Oh yes, that is the point. Marvel have done the same thing. The alienation of devoted fans in exchange for a small but finite increase in sales from people who formally lacked interest. And what will those interest lacking individuals do in five years when there's continuity again? They'll stop reading, because they have the attention spans of gnats. And by that time, the old fans (those with integrity and self-respect, at least), will have stopped reading. Good stories keep the industry going. There's a reason things like Watchmen are still being read. In 20 years, it will still be Watchmen being read, and all this New 52 garbage and alike will just be known as the time when good stories died. 
#18 Posted by hectorsquall (1137 posts) - - Show Bio

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

@JairamGanpat: Oh yes, that is the point. Marvel have done the same thing. The alienation of devoted fans in exchange for a small but finite increase in sales from people who formally lacked interest. And what will those interest lacking individuals do in five years when there's continuity again? They'll stop reading, because they have the attention spans of gnats. And by that time, the old fans (those with integrity and self-respect, at least), will have stopped reading. Good stories keep the industry going. There's a reason things like Watchmen are still being read. In 20 years, it will still be Watchmen being read, and all this New 52 garbage and alike will just be known as the time when good stories died.

#19 Posted by BatWatch (3007 posts) - - Show Bio

I love his handling of the Bat Family characters. I saw an interview with him today where he said he wishes he could do pages and pages of dialogue between the Family, and I was like, yeah, do it! I would love to see Snyder do a series just based around the Family aspect of Batman.

Snyder's Batman does the supernatural a little too often for my tastes, but I think he gets the characters.

Online
#20 Posted by entropy_aegis (15427 posts) - - Show Bio

@FadeToBlackBolt:LOL you're back and with a bang no less.

#21 Posted by Kesho_Ronin (209 posts) - - Show Bio

currently the best comic book writer around

#22 Posted by Kesho_Ronin (209 posts) - - Show Bio

can't wait to see how's he going to approach the superman comic book

#23 Posted by Lvenger (21143 posts) - - Show Bio

Since this is getting a tad derailed, I'll get us back on topic. So far Snyder's run has been complete with a well driven plot, a true understanding of Batman, his supporting cast and the dark world he lives in along with injecting some truly jaw dropping moments into the plot that you never see coming. I hope he stays on the title for as long as Morrison does. That way he can equal or even surpass what Morrison did with the character whose run I also loved to bits.

#24 Posted by entropy_aegis (15427 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lvenger said:

Since this is getting a tad derailed, I'll get us back on topic. So far Snyder's run has been complete with a well driven plot, a true understanding of Batman, his supporting cast and the dark world he lives in along with injecting some truly jaw dropping moments into the plot that you never see coming. I hope he stays on the title for as long as Morrison does. That way he can equal or even surpass what Morrison did with the character whose run I also loved to bits.

I wont comment on whether he gets Batman or not,your mileage may vary on that one but Court of Owls hardly had a well driven plot.It was a giant mess of a story,the Lincoln March reveal was just horrible and it was central to the plot.

#25 Posted by Lvenger (21143 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

@Lvenger said:

Since this is getting a tad derailed, I'll get us back on topic. So far Snyder's run has been complete with a well driven plot, a true understanding of Batman, his supporting cast and the dark world he lives in along with injecting some truly jaw dropping moments into the plot that you never see coming. I hope he stays on the title for as long as Morrison does. That way he can equal or even surpass what Morrison did with the character whose run I also loved to bits.

I wont comment on whether he gets Batman or not,your mileage may vary on that one but Court of Owls hardly had a well driven plot.It was a giant mess of a story,the Lincoln March reveal was just horrible and it was central to the plot.

Oh come on do we have to do this? I love Snyder's writing of Batman, you hate it, we're just gonna go round in circles. Having said that I fail to see how it was a mess of a plot. Morrison is far more guilty of messy plots than Snyder is. Some of his Batman stories didn't make much sense and I found it much easier to get into Snyder's Batman than Morrison's Batman but I still love both runs.

#26 Posted by entropy_aegis (15427 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lvenger said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@Lvenger said:

Since this is getting a tad derailed, I'll get us back on topic. So far Snyder's run has been complete with a well driven plot, a true understanding of Batman, his supporting cast and the dark world he lives in along with injecting some truly jaw dropping moments into the plot that you never see coming. I hope he stays on the title for as long as Morrison does. That way he can equal or even surpass what Morrison did with the character whose run I also loved to bits.

I wont comment on whether he gets Batman or not,your mileage may vary on that one but Court of Owls hardly had a well driven plot.It was a giant mess of a story,the Lincoln March reveal was just horrible and it was central to the plot.

Oh come on do we have to do this? I love Snyder's writing of Batman, you hate it, we're just gonna go round in circles. Having said that I fail to see how it was a mess of a plot. Morrison is far more guilty of messy plots than Snyder is. Some of his Batman stories didn't make much sense and I found it much easier to get into Snyder's Batman than Morrison's Batman but I still love both runs.

Morrison's plot may appear messy at first but a few re reads after he completes his work pretty much clears away any confusion,Lincoln March though I dont see how that could be justified or the Court's bizarre plan to win Gotham back(a city they were supposedly ruling).

#27 Posted by Lvenger (21143 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

@Lvenger said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@Lvenger said:

Since this is getting a tad derailed, I'll get us back on topic. So far Snyder's run has been complete with a well driven plot, a true understanding of Batman, his supporting cast and the dark world he lives in along with injecting some truly jaw dropping moments into the plot that you never see coming. I hope he stays on the title for as long as Morrison does. That way he can equal or even surpass what Morrison did with the character whose run I also loved to bits.

I wont comment on whether he gets Batman or not,your mileage may vary on that one but Court of Owls hardly had a well driven plot.It was a giant mess of a story,the Lincoln March reveal was just horrible and it was central to the plot.

Oh come on do we have to do this? I love Snyder's writing of Batman, you hate it, we're just gonna go round in circles. Having said that I fail to see how it was a mess of a plot. Morrison is far more guilty of messy plots than Snyder is. Some of his Batman stories didn't make much sense and I found it much easier to get into Snyder's Batman than Morrison's Batman but I still love both runs.

Morrison's plot may appear messy at first but a few re reads after he completes his work pretty much clears away any confusion,Lincoln March though I dont see how that could be justified or the Court's bizarre plan to win Gotham back(a city they were supposedly ruling).

I've re read Morrison's Batman run a few times and there's still some confusion. As for Lincoln March, I think it was more or less to have a poster child who could get involved with the more menial issues of Gotham City life. They might have been the Illuminati of Gotham but March was a way to get closer involvement in Gotham City.

#28 Posted by supermanfan1234 (206 posts) - - Show Bio

He's good but so far all dotf and coo have been about are punishing bruce.

#29 Posted by entropy_aegis (15427 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lvenger said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@Lvenger said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@Lvenger said:

Since this is getting a tad derailed, I'll get us back on topic. So far Snyder's run has been complete with a well driven plot, a true understanding of Batman, his supporting cast and the dark world he lives in along with injecting some truly jaw dropping moments into the plot that you never see coming. I hope he stays on the title for as long as Morrison does. That way he can equal or even surpass what Morrison did with the character whose run I also loved to bits.

I wont comment on whether he gets Batman or not,your mileage may vary on that one but Court of Owls hardly had a well driven plot.It was a giant mess of a story,the Lincoln March reveal was just horrible and it was central to the plot.

Oh come on do we have to do this? I love Snyder's writing of Batman, you hate it, we're just gonna go round in circles. Having said that I fail to see how it was a mess of a plot. Morrison is far more guilty of messy plots than Snyder is. Some of his Batman stories didn't make much sense and I found it much easier to get into Snyder's Batman than Morrison's Batman but I still love both runs.

Morrison's plot may appear messy at first but a few re reads after he completes his work pretty much clears away any confusion,Lincoln March though I dont see how that could be justified or the Court's bizarre plan to win Gotham back(a city they were supposedly ruling).

I've re read Morrison's Batman run a few times and there's still some confusion. As for Lincoln March, I think it was more or less to have a poster child who could get involved with the more menial issues of Gotham City life. They might have been the Illuminati of Gotham but March was a way to get closer involvement in Gotham City.

Really? the Black Glove felt more like the Illuminati(Conspiracy Theory) to me,they had people in all the right places,they worshipped the Devil/Batdemon to gain wealth,immortality and other worldly desires,I still dont understand the COO's obsession with Owls.

#30 Posted by daredevil21134 (12593 posts) - - Show Bio

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

Because there isn't a disrespect thread, I'll just whack my gripes in a spoiler, but let's just say it's not surprising he's loved by people who've never read a Batman comic in their life.

Terrible, unoriginal, and purely exploitation writer.
All of his plotlines are stolen and rehashed versions of better Grant Morrison stories. Save for Death in the Family which is just a remake of, yep, Death in the Family.
His gratuitous style appeals solely to people who think the Joker wearing his face upside down is "badass" and "edgy", aka, idiots.
His version of "deep" storytelling is to simply have Batman suffer for no other reason than he can't write anything else.
He's writing torture porn, that's all it is.
-FadeToBlackBolt's opinions do represent those of the author, and consequently, the opinions that should be regarded as truth, as he's freaking brilliant and right so often that statistics analysts have decided to simply refer to 99.999% recurring positive probability as "Fade's number".

;lol

#31 Posted by havoc1201 (521 posts) - - Show Bio

@FadeToBlackBolt: @JairamGanpat said:

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

Because there isn't a disrespect thread, I'll just whack my gripes in a spoiler, but let's just say it's not surprising he's loved by people who've never read a Batman comic in their life.

Terrible, unoriginal, and purely exploitation writer.
All of his plotlines are stolen and rehashed versions of better Grant Morrison stories. Save for Death in the Family which is just a remake of, yep, Death in the Family.
His gratuitous style appeals solely to people who think the Joker wearing his face upside down is "badass" and "edgy", aka, idiots.
His version of "deep" storytelling is to simply have Batman suffer for no other reason than he can't write anything else.
He's writing torture porn, that's all it is.
-FadeToBlackBolt's opinions do represent those of the author, and consequently, the opinions that should be regarded as truth, as he's freaking brilliant and right so often that statistics analysts have decided to simply refer to 99.999% recurring positive probability as "Fade's number".

How do you feel about the other comics he's written?

i have read Batman comics for twenty years and i love what he is doing out of all the new 52 he is by far the best

#32 Posted by 8bitGangsta (392 posts) - - Show Bio

Respect him! Respect him!

#33 Posted by MuyJingo (2140 posts) - - Show Bio

This thread is really making me happy to see that there are people not all in love with him, and who share my issues.

I think he is a very talented guy, buy as far as writing Batman...well, I'd much rather someone else who didn't disrespect the characters was on board. That's all.

#34 Posted by havoc1201 (521 posts) - - Show Bio

@MuyJingo said:

This thread is really making me happy to see that there are people not all in love with him, and who share my issues.

I think he is a very talented guy, buy as far as writing Batman...well, I'd much rather someone else who didn't disrespect the characters was on board. That's all.

how does he disrespect the character?

#35 Posted by MuyJingo (2140 posts) - - Show Bio

@havoc1201:

Not just one character. In Court of Owls he gave Dick a ridiculous retcon, made Batman arrogant because an investigation he did as a kid before he even trained with Ducard was sufficient, made him easily captured...made talons a real threat for him despite every other member of the bat family being able to easily take them out....it was Snyder's villains because he wanted to have a unique imprint on the DCU, at the expense of storytelling and characterization. Now with DOTF, he has Batman easily captured and being out of character..Batman should not have acted the way he did in issue 13 given his experience in man who laughs....I actually wrote an entire article on this somewhere if you care I'll find it and post it for you. Basically I'm just sick of seeing him ignore year one and other canonical stories, do out of character things and have things pushed on him just so Snyder can leave his mark.

#36 Posted by havoc1201 (521 posts) - - Show Bio

@MuyJingo said:

@havoc1201:

Not just one character. In Court of Owls he gave Dick a ridiculous retcon, made Batman arrogant because an investigation he did as a kid before he even trained with Ducard was sufficient, made him easily captured...made talons a real threat for him despite every other member of the bat family being able to easily take them out....it was Snyder's villains because he wanted to have a unique imprint on the DCU, at the expense of storytelling and characterization. Now with DOTF, he has Batman easily captured and being out of character..Batman should not have acted the way he did in issue 13 given his experience in man who laughs....I actually wrote an entire article on this somewhere if you care I'll find it and post it for you. Basically I'm just sick of seeing him ignore year one and other canonical stories, do out of character things and have things pushed on him just so Snyder can leave his mark.

ok?

#37 Posted by MuyJingo (2140 posts) - - Show Bio

@havoc1201: ?????????

What do you mean?

#38 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23238 posts) - - Show Bio
@MuyJingo said:

@havoc1201:

Not just one character. In Court of Owls he gave Dick a ridiculous retcon, made Batman arrogant because an investigation he did as a kid before he even trained with Ducard was sufficient, made him easily captured...made talons a real threat for him despite every other member of the bat family being able to easily take them out....it was Snyder's villains because he wanted to have a unique imprint on the DCU, at the expense of storytelling and characterization. Now with DOTF, he has Batman easily captured and being out of character..Batman should not have acted the way he did in issue 13 given his experience in man who laughs....I actually wrote an entire article on this somewhere if you care I'll find it and post it for you. Basically I'm just sick of seeing him ignore year one and other canonical stories, do out of character things and have things pushed on him just so Snyder can leave his mark.

Well said.
#39 Posted by ReachDestroyer (56 posts) - - Show Bio

Morrison > O'neil > Miller > Moore > Average Batman Writers like Scott Snyder. I've said it before in these forums but I'll say it again. Snyder is unimaginative and simply just an average Batman writer, who understands enough about the character to get by but will never be remembered like the greats. He's not terrible, just not special like some people who are new to Batman comics believe. The four writers I said at the start will be remembered forever for their different take on Batman, sadly for us Batman fans who love the character and want to see quality stories Snyder is not one of them.

#40 Posted by SmashBrawler (5978 posts) - - Show Bio

@MuyJingo said:

@havoc1201:

Not just one character. In Court of Owls he gave Dick a ridiculous retcon, made Batman arrogant because an investigation he did as a kid before he even trained with Ducard was sufficient, made him easily captured...made talons a real threat for him despite every other member of the bat family being able to easily take them out....it was Snyder's villains because he wanted to have a unique imprint on the DCU, at the expense of storytelling and characterization. Now with DOTF, he has Batman easily captured and being out of character..Batman should not have acted the way he did in issue 13 given his experience in man who laughs....I actually wrote an entire article on this somewhere if you care I'll find it and post it for you. Basically I'm just sick of seeing him ignore year one and other canonical stories, do out of character things and have things pushed on him just so Snyder can leave his mark.

@ReachDestroyer said:

Morrison > O'neil > Miller > Moore > Average Batman Writers like Scott Snyder. I've said it before in these forums but I'll say it again. Snyder is unimaginative and simply just an average Batman writer, who understands enough about the character to get by but will never be remembered like the greats. He's not terrible, just not special like some people who are new to Batman comics believe. The four writers I said at the start will be remembered forever for their different take on Batman, sadly for us Batman fans who love the character and want to see quality stories Snyder is not one of them.

Wholeheartedly agree. It really annoys me when people act like Snyder is one of the best Batman writers ever, when he's clearly not.

#41 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29510 posts) - - Show Bio

I used to have nothing but blind love for his Batman, but I can see there are flaws.

I still like it, though.

#42 Posted by Stormbox (2001 posts) - - Show Bio

I like his batman, but hes hardly one of the best batman writers ever

I loved his detective comics run, but the court of owls was just average, hopefully death of the family turns out to be better (well it is better than court of owls right now)

#43 Posted by Lvenger (21143 posts) - - Show Bio

Well this is turning into a Scott Snyder hate forum now. I still don't see how he's all that bad.

#44 Posted by havoc1201 (521 posts) - - Show Bio

@MuyJingo: have you listened to snyders interview with kevin smith he actually loves year one and frank millers other titles he did and he tries to stay true to that and the whole court of owls investagation he did when he was a child made bruce never get emotionaly involved when working a case and he couldnt find evidence tht proved they were real so he moved on and im not saying there isnt flaws every writer has their flaws but he writes batman as being a fan and i like how he makes batman more of the loaner he should be. but we all have differant opinons and thats why we have this place.

#45 Posted by MuyJingo (2140 posts) - - Show Bio

@havoc1201: It doesn't matter if he loves them as a fan. He has thrown them out with his writing.

Bruce would not have taken something he did as a KID seriously. He didn't even have training as a detective yet.

#46 Posted by havoc1201 (521 posts) - - Show Bio

.@MuyJingo: it says in the comic he looked into again later when he first started as batman and yes snyder is trying to make his mark but what writer hasnt and i feel and many other fans do as well that he is doing a great job, and no matter what someone will not like the stories so thats just how it is

#47 Posted by MuyJingo (2140 posts) - - Show Bio

Making a mark should be done with good storytelling, not at the expense of it.

#48 Posted by havoc1201 (521 posts) - - Show Bio

@MuyJingo: are you a fan of morrison or something because you seem to have a very deep hate for snyder.

#49 Posted by Nighthunter (28582 posts) - - Show Bio

Snyder is after Morrison my favorite Batman writer and thats saying a lot

#50 Posted by havoc1201 (521 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nighthunter: that really is saying alot i love both of them...i am not a huge fan of batman inc because of the connection to bruce and batman but i love what he did on Batman

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