Rewatching The Dark Knight Trilogy

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#1 Posted by Frozen (13416 posts) - - Show Bio

Just re-watched it. And even though I loved Batman Begins on it's own, I watched them all as a trilogy. And I just felt Batman Begins was very, weak compared to the other two. TDK and TDKR felt much bigger, and Batman Begins in comparison was just under-whelming.

TDKR was the best BATMAN film, but TDK was the best film overall. While BB was good, it was a notch or two below the other two IMO.

#2 Posted by entropy_aegis (15324 posts) - - Show Bio

@Frozen said:

Just re-watched it. And even though I loved Batman Begins on it's own, I watched them all as a trilogy. And I just felt Batman Begins was very, weak compared to the other two. TDK and TDKR felt much bigger, and Batman Begins in comparison was just under-whelming.

TDKR was the best BATMAN film, but TDK was the best film overall. While BB was good, it was a notch or two below the other two IMO.

Hey Frozen,it's been a while.

#3 Posted by Frozen (13416 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

@Frozen said:

Just re-watched it. And even though I loved Batman Begins on it's own, I watched them all as a trilogy. And I just felt Batman Begins was very, weak compared to the other two. TDK and TDKR felt much bigger, and Batman Begins in comparison was just under-whelming.

TDKR was the best BATMAN film, but TDK was the best film overall. While BB was good, it was a notch or two below the other two IMO.

Hey Frozen,it's been a while.

It has tbh. How have things been?

#4 Posted by entropy_aegis (15324 posts) - - Show Bio

@Frozen: Been good,how about you?

#5 Edited by Frozen (13416 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

@Frozen: Been good,how about you?

Good, good. Been meaning to get back to the Vine, and the Battles Forum. Wonder how that's been...

#6 Posted by entropy_aegis (15324 posts) - - Show Bio

@Frozen said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@Frozen: Been good,how about you?

Good, good. Been meaning to get back to the Vine, and the Battles Forum. Wonder how that's been...

I barely post in the battles forum,the best posters are gone.

#7 Posted by Nightwing4 (364 posts) - - Show Bio

People always diss BB. Or say it doesn't compare but is still good. It had the burden of having to tell one of the most multifaceted origin stories in all of comicdom. While still leaving enough time to develop a plot and villain. It's the best origin story adaption out there.

#8 Posted by Frozen (13416 posts) - - Show Bio

Don't get me wrong, I have it at #4 on my all time superhero movies (after TDK, TDKR and Avengers). I love the vibe it gave me but it doesn't square up to the other two.

#9 Posted by FatihBATMAN (1389 posts) - - Show Bio

i LOVED BB...thats my first pick, then TDKR then TDK

#10 Posted by havoc1201 (514 posts) - - Show Bio

the think TDK is far greater than TDKR

#11 Posted by Sean2206 (30 posts) - - Show Bio

I watched them over the holidays and had a similar reaction. I thought BB seemed much smaller on scale compared to the other two and genuinely struggled to keep my attention. TDKR is my favorite despite it's plot holes but TDK is still fantastic.

#12 Posted by gotwillpower (679 posts) - - Show Bio

Maybe it's because Batman Begins had a smaller budget? Still, it shouldn't justify a discrepancy in quality.

#13 Edited by The_Tree (7483 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman Begins is actually my favorite of the trilogy.

#14 Posted by KnightRise (4785 posts) - - Show Bio

I love all three for different reasons. Each one is somehow better -and- worse than the others.

#15 Posted by Omega Ray Jay (7822 posts) - - Show Bio

I put begins as a solid second behind knight. There are just to many things that bug me with rises, its not bad but not a patch on the first two.

#16 Posted by mrdecepticonleader (18076 posts) - - Show Bio

I really like Batman Begins.I dont think it is the weakest of the three,far from it.

#17 Posted by Phaedrusgr (1672 posts) - - Show Bio

@The_Tree: I'm with you in this. TDK follows and I'm sorry but I didn't enjoy TDKR. The third part of the trilogy wasn't my cup of tea, coffee nor juice.

#18 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29501 posts) - - Show Bio

TDKR is the best of the three. The themes save it from being beaten by TDK.

Bruce rising from the pit was so f**king perfect.

#19 Posted by Billy Batson (58030 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123 said:

TDKR is the best of the three. The themes save it from being beaten by TDK.

Bruce rising from the pit was so f**king perfect.

But Bruce magically healing doesn't make sense. Durrr.

BB

#20 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29501 posts) - - Show Bio

@Billy Batson said:

@InnerVenom123 said:

TDKR is the best of the three. The themes save it from being beaten by TDK.

Bruce rising from the pit was so f**king perfect.

But Bruce magically healing doesn't make sense. Durrr.

BB

It didn't in Knightfall either.

:P

#21 Posted by TDK_1997 (14896 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree.Somehow Batman Begins wasn't as good as the others.But I love it also.

#22 Posted by mpierce2690 (316 posts) - - Show Bio

Strongly disagree.

Batman Begins was by far the best BATMAN FILM, of all the live-action films. The Dark Knight was the best FILM of the series, but The Dark Knight Rises was possibly the worst FILM of the whole series and arguably the worst BATMAN FILM of the series.

#23 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (1653 posts) - - Show Bio

I completely agree. BB was notably weaker than the other two in my opinion anyways. TDK and TDKR took everything from the beginning and proceeded to expand on it, while at the same time adding new elements. I didn't even like BB at first, but liked the other two right away. Still think it's a good movie, just not as good.

#24 Posted by entropy_aegis (15324 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123 said:

TDKR is the best of the three. The themes save it from being beaten by TDK.

Bruce rising from the pit was so f**king perfect.

I think people wrongly judge Rises,TDK did deal with more complex issues( morality) and people were expecting the same with Rises,particularly when it comes to Bane's revolution.Only to find out that Bane's revolution was a sham right from the start,those people were probably expecting socialist,anti rich propaganda etc but this wasn't about revolutions it was about creating a legend and Rises delivered that perfectly.

#25 Posted by TheCannon (18794 posts) - - Show Bio

Rises is easily the best film of the three, no question. It's the greatest actual film, although Tim Burton's are better as Batman films.

Begins was the second greatest. Kind of weak, but still awesome. Ra's was the perfect villain.

The Dark Knight was good, but the worst. The movie did absolutely nothing than lead us into The Dark Knight Rises. The plot went absolutely nowhere. The only thing that made the movie was good as it was is Heath Ledger as the Joker.

#26 Posted by GodDamnIronMan (1553 posts) - - Show Bio

BB is the best in the Trilogy..IMO.

It got the right origin Story, the character development of Batman. The way he struggle to kill the man in the court house, and the 1st appearance of Batman at the harbor...All are nicely done.

#27 Edited by Reignmaker (2235 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman Begins started the Hollywood obsession with reboots: Superman Returns, Amazing Spider-Man, Planet of the Apes, Star Trek, X-Men: First Class, Casino Royale, Conan the Barbarian...and on and on.

Every big-budget reboot is now looked at as a possible franchise starter. If a big-budget action flick only produces one movie, it's generally considered a failure. For this reason alone, one could argue Batman Begins has made a bigger impact on the movie industry than it's more critically acclaimed sequel.

#28 Posted by Frozen (13416 posts) - - Show Bio

Hate it when people say TDKR had plot holes. It didn't. They were mistakes, but didn't ruin the plot. And I've seen a good deal of them be debunked. They're simply not plot holes. All 3 crush any of the Burton movies.

#29 Posted by Watcherg6 (263 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nightwing4: BB is one of the Better ones! not weak, not at all!

@mrdecepticonleader: Agreed!

@The_Tree: Me 2!

i have watched the 3rd 15 times, and i don't think Nolan quite understands Batman. batmans weapon isn't money, and why was bane Just a thug?

#30 Posted by Watcherg6 (263 posts) - - Show Bio

@mpierce2690: The ending for the dark knight, i forgot i hated it. Batman Taking the fall, for harvey dent? Why? The dark knight Rises Makes me happy we have Arrow on tv, untill they can make a good batman film. Batman Begins is the Best, The Dark knight second, without that dumb ending.

@entropy_aegis: Also that Bane is a hench men, and that he was mostly a puppet.

@TheCannon: That is a good point about the dark knight, I don't think Nolan understands batman, but he Nailed the Joker! that he got right

@Reignmaker: the Remake of Plantet of the apes was before Batman Begins!

@Frozen: ok Debunk the Plot holes! The TDKR is the worest of the new ones.

#31 Posted by Phaedrusgr (1672 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123: Bruce magically healing doesn't make sense, cause Nolan placed it in a realistic context. If you say in Knightfall either, then one could reply that nothing really makes sense in the comic book world. "It's not who you are underneath, it's the context that defines you". :p

#32 Posted by Watcherg6 (263 posts) - - Show Bio

@Phaedrusgr: Theres a good idea, they could have ended the 3 moives with batman dieing that way.

#33 Posted by HushoftheWind (999 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman Begins is the only movie in the trilogy where Christian Bale doesnt sound bad in the batsuit and it felt like it didnt drag on like TDK(not saying that was a completely bad thing)

#34 Posted by Phaedrusgr (1672 posts) - - Show Bio

@HushoftheWind: With you in this...

#35 Posted by rolldestroyer (3508 posts) - - Show Bio

dark knight rises was the best film of the trilogy, but the combat wasn't good at all, the guys with guns were literally just standing there waiting for batman to beat them. You can clearly see this in the rooftop fight scene where batman was beating them and the other guys with guns aren't doing anything, they weren't even trying to aim at him, another instance was when he saved blake.

#36 Posted by FatihBATMAN (1389 posts) - - Show Bio

agreed!

#37 Posted by lilben42 (2544 posts) - - Show Bio

I think TDK was way more entertaining than the other two and not because Joker. It was so intense the music was perfectly on cue. Batman taking down Swat and Jokers men was great. TDKR was so anti- climatic and disapointing. Batman Begins was great all around and probably my second favorite.

#38 Posted by FatihBATMAN (1389 posts) - - Show Bio

gotta watch TDK to evaluate again... lol

#39 Posted by comicdude23 (11399 posts) - - Show Bio

@FatihBATMAN said:

agreed!

With what?

#40 Posted by comicdude23 (11399 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, Begins was really good. But the other two were just on another level completely.

#41 Posted by FatihBATMAN (1389 posts) - - Show Bio

agreed with rolldestroyer :) and with your last post totally @comicdude23

#42 Edited by GST1976 (514 posts) - - Show Bio

I just finished watching the Trilogy right now. I was much more critical of these films during viewing than I would normally be specifically with this thread in mind. This is how I rate these 3: Batman Begins is the second best film of the bunch and the second best Batman film. The Dark Knight is the best film and the best Batman film, in terms of plot, script, and acting. The Dark Knight Rises is third in both categories because of plot holes, and Bane and the League of Shadows being just so underwhelming... Just one mans opinion.

#43 Posted by JamesKM716 (1992 posts) - - Show Bio

@Frozen said:

TDKR was the best BATMAN film, but TDK was the best film overall.

This sums up by thoughts on those two films incredibly well; thank you.

#44 Posted by comicdude23 (11399 posts) - - Show Bio

@GST1976 said:

I just finished watching the Trilogy right now. I was much more critical of these films during viewing than I would normally be specifically with this thread in mind. This is how I rate these 3: Batman Begins is the second best film of the bunch and the second best Batman film. The Dark Knight is the best film and the best Batman film, in terms of plot, script, and acting. The Dark Knight Rises is third in both categories because of plot holes, and Bane and the League of Shadows being just so underwhelming... Just one mans opinion.

ALOT of those ''plot-holes'' have been debunked. Many are note even plot-holes at all.

#45 Posted by TDK_1997 (14896 posts) - - Show Bio

Well TDK felt and was the best one and in my opinion Batman Begins was the weakest of the three.

#46 Posted by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio

I just recently rewatched the entire trilogy.

The Dark Knight will always be number one for me. Aside from having some of the most magnetic acting of the entire trilogy, Dark Knight really pushed the limits as to what a superhero movie is. The level of weight and emotion that the movie carries feels like that of a serious crime film, and the plot has enough 'f-yeah!' moments to make rewatching enjoyable. By the time the final monologue by Gordon ended, I was pumped. Seven times watching this film, and I never get sick of it.

Batman Begins comes in at number 2. The entire movie is basically one extended origin story, and the way that Ra's al Ghul returns at the end to finish what he started just ties up the story in one neat bow. While most superhero movies gloss over the origin in the first half-hour, Begins really brought the viewer into Batman's world - showing us the steps that he had to undertake in order to be a superhero. Begins really illustrated how Batman was never given powers, that he had to work for them, and I thought that of the entire trilogy, it explored its main theme (fear) the best.

The Dark Knight Rises is number three for me. It's not a bad movie by any stretch, and I enjoyed it at the cinema, but rewatching it again sort of left me dry. Sure, it had a lot of 'f-yeah!' moments like Bruce rising from the pit, but I felt that it was weighed down by something else. I don't know, sentimentality? I felt like they were trying so hard to expand on the themes and plots of the first two movies, that they were trying to bring a note of finality to the legend of Batman, but it felt lacking. First time around, I really enjoyed it, but second time...I don't know, I can't put my finger on it.

Hell, maybe I was just tired by then. Finished up DKR at about two in the morning...

#47 Posted by Omega Ray Jay (7822 posts) - - Show Bio

I watched TDK and Rises back to back some time ago and my feelings towards Rises have not changed, it's the weakest of the three in my opinion. Knight, Begins then Rises.

#48 Posted by comicdude23 (11399 posts) - - Show Bio

I liked all 3 for different reasons. The trilogy is still a great trilogy.

#49 Edited by Reignmaker (2235 posts) - - Show Bio

@Veshark said:

I just recently rewatched the entire trilogy.

The Dark Knight will always be number one for me. Aside from having some of the most magnetic acting of the entire trilogy, Dark Knight really pushed the limits as to what a superhero movie is. The level of weight and emotion that the movie carries feels like that of a serious crime film, and the plot has enough 'f-yeah!' moments to make rewatching enjoyable. By the time the final monologue by Gordon ended, I was pumped. Seven times watching this film, and I never get sick of it.

Batman Begins comes in at number 2. The entire movie is basically one extended origin story, and the way that Ra's al Ghul returns at the end to finish what he started just ties up the story in one neat bow. While most superhero movies gloss over the origin in the first half-hour, Begins really brought the viewer into Batman's world - showing us the steps that he had to undertake in order to be a superhero. Begins really illustrated how Batman was never given powers, that he had to work for them, and I thought that of the entire trilogy, it explored its main theme (fear) the best.

The Dark Knight Rises is number three for me. It's not a bad movie by any stretch, and I enjoyed it at the cinema, but rewatching it again sort of left me dry. Sure, it had a lot of 'f-yeah!' moments like Bruce rising from the pit, but I felt that it was weighed down by something else. I don't know, sentimentality? I felt like they were trying so hard to expand on the themes and plots of the first two movies, that they were trying to bring a note of finality to the legend of Batman, but it felt lacking. First time around, I really enjoyed it, but second time...I don't know, I can't put my finger on it.

Hell, maybe I was just tired by then. Finished up DKR at about two in the morning...

I agree with most of your analysis. The Dark Knight Rises (TDKR) edges over Batman Begins (BB) for me when it comes to rewatching, just because I feel there's more depth and complexity to the story. That being said, I think I enjoyed BB more when I initially saw it in theaters because it finally gave me the kind of Batman I wanted to see on film.

The crucial mistake that TDKR made in my opinion is its nod to Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns - the whole "Bruce coming out of retirement" thing. This held the movie back in three ways:

  1. It gave us two comebacks in one movie. It felt redundant.
  2. It diminished the power of the second comeback which was arguably the more powerful of the two, and was clearly designed to be the heart of the movie.
  3. It took Batman out of his own movie for way too long. This is supposed to be Batman's last hurrah in the Nolanverse. How come he's never on the screen? BB already did this to us, and it made more sense then.

Other than that, I think Nolan ought to be commended for making one of the best trilogies in modern cinema. I think a lot of people forget how many other "reboots" (some successful, some not) happened due to the success of BB. The director of Skyfall even openly admitted to taking much of his inspiration from The Dark Knight - saying that it changed the movie industry.

#50 Posted by tjs4759 (42 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree that BB doesn't have the grand scale the other two do, it doesn't have the big explosions and fight scenes but its the best origin story ever told. Its a great story, with a great villain. The scenes between Ra's Al Guhl and Bruce Wayne are fantastic with some of the best dialogue. I have a couple of complaints, I wish Liam Niesson had more screen time because he stole every scene he was in. Also, I don't like Nolan's fight scenes - of course that's a complaint about both BB and TDK. I hate the quick screen cuts he does. He did a better job in TDKR.

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