Recommended Reading: Dark Knight Rises Edition

Posted by inferiorego (24734 posts) - - Show Bio

The Dark Knight Rises weekend is over, and most of the people who have wanted to see end to the Batman trilogy have hopefully gotten a chance to see it. For those who haven't seen the film, shy away from the rest of this now because I may spoil a few things here and there!

After watching The Dark Knight Rises, you may be wondering where the ideas for this story came from? Most hardcore fans of the world of Batman will tell you that this movie's story comes mainly from two big story lines in the Batman universe: Knightfall and No Man's Land. Sure, you can say that parts of this movie derived from other storylines like Long Halloween (which influenced Batman Begins and The Dark Knight more than anything) and Batman: Year One, but Knightfall and No Man's Land are the real heart here.

So now that you've seen the movie, and know what it's based on. Let's take a look at the actual storylines and see what makes them so great. Two of my favorite Batman story lines that I'm already going to recommend you pick up in trade.

Knightfall

This is the iconic story where Bane beats the heck out of Batman and breaks his back. To sum this all up, Bane tires out Batman by letting baddies out of prison, then when they face each other, Bane puts him out of commission. While Bruce is trying to recover, Jean-Paul Valley takes over as a much more violent and technologically adept Batman. Bruce has enough and takes Jean-Paul down, but, as you may know, there's much more than that.

Recently, DC Comics rereleased the storyline in two books, rather than the three books which they've had in the past. Either of these versions are fine to pick up.

What's similar?

That iconic scene with Bane breaking Batman's back in the movie in here in this book. This is the intelligent, strategic Bane here.

This book also deals with Bruce/Batman coming back from the "dead" essentially. As a reader, you think Bruce is done for good, so there's a feeling of hopelessness, like in the film as Bruce rebuilds.

What's different?

There's a whole lot different about Bane here. He relies on Venom to gain strength, and he's a much bigger brute here. He is a one man army. He may not be as creepy or terrifying as the Dark Knight Rises counter-part, but he's the first villain Batman fought who actually won.

A lot of this book revolves around Bruce Wayne rebuilding himself to become Batman again, while he does this, however, Jean-Paul Valley takes over as Batman and he does not hold back. It all boils down to a Batman versus Batman showdown.

No Man's Land

This is one epic storyline. This takes place over 5 collected trades, six if you count Cataclysm, which you should. It's a lot of reading, but worth every second of it.

In No Man's Land, a huge earthquake hits Gotham and the government quarantines the island. Bruce leaves Gotham in order to appeal to the government for aide. The city breaks down into sectors run by different gangs, and when Bruce returns, 100 days later, he's got a lot to clean up. Sound familiar? Minus the specifics, this is a big part of The Dark Knight Rises story.

When you pick this one up, which you really should, you better be ready to devote yourself to roughly 90 issues of comic books.

What's similar?

The whole idea of the city being held hostage by criminals is there as well as the government trying to keep its citizens in the city.

Batman/Bruce being gone for the city as it wades in its own filth/crime is also there.

What's different?

What Dark Knight Rises doesn't take from this as much as it could have is the idea of factions and the town being split up into different sectors. Villains run these sectors, GCPD has a sector. This is a big book and follows so much.

This is more than just about Batman. It's about the Batfamily and how this quarantine affects the DC Universe. Aside from Batfamily members, you'll also see Superman, Young Justice, and even Hitman. This story is a lot bigger than Batman and it's one of my top five Batman story lines.

So, there you have it, two great Batman story lines which had elements in the recent The Dark Knight Rises film. I highly suggest seeking these two stories out at either your LCS, on the web, or digitally. Have you guys read these books? What other Batman story lines appear in the The Dark Knight Rises?

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#1 Posted by supermanfan1234 (206 posts) - - Show Bio

how could you forget dark knight returns although the last chapter and the way they wrote superman was terrible

#2 Posted by deadpool25mm (598 posts) - - Show Bio

I was shocked at how bad the movie came out... does Christopher Nolan even know who Batman is? Batman moved in the movie like he's 200 tons, use's only an EMP gadget , the whole movie they are building up Bane as the villian and in the end they just push him aside like he isnt important... and the worse and last thing is SINCE WHEN DOES BATMAN KILL?! -> Shooting missles at the truck killing the driver...

I guess its true that the joker was the only reason The Dark Knight was good.

#3 Posted by longbowhunter (7098 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm reading No Man's Land now. Read parts of Knightfall around when it came out. Plan on picking up the trades later this year. One thing that makes the Nolan Batman movies so awesome is you can see how much the comics influenced them. Unlike the Tim Burton films.

#4 Posted by Jolt92 (174 posts) - - Show Bio

I have just heard negative things about No Man's Land, I should probably check it out sometime.

#5 Posted by Zeeguy91 (1109 posts) - - Show Bio

@deadpool25mm: What are you talking about?? The movie was epic and really well thought out. Honestly, even as a fan of the comics, I was surprised by the events as they unfolded.

And no, Joker wasn't the only reason Dark Knight was good.

Are you, like, a Marvel fanboy? Who's only upset because Dark Knight Rises turned out better than Avengers?

#6 Edited by Rumble Man (11119 posts) - - Show Bio

@Zeeguy91 said:

@deadpool25mm: What are you talking about?? The movie was epic and really well thought out. Honestly, even as a fan of the comics, I was surprised by the events as they unfolded.

And no, Joker wasn't the only reason Dark Knight was good.

Are you, like, a Marvel fanboy? Who's only upset because Dark Knight Rises turned out better than Avengers?

I was pissed because what that harlot did to bane, even though I am a bane fan joker does have more memorable lines. Epic, inconsistent but still good. Wouldn't say turned out better but I felt a better connection to the villain, who drives the story with the great supporting cast (batman's a b!tch in the movie)

He lives only because it's his move, cop out move

#7 Edited by Zeeguy91 (1109 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rumble Man: Well obviously being out of commission for like 8 years has made him a bit rusty. Not to mention the fact that his body has suffered significant wear. Didn't you see the scene with the doctor where they explained how he basically had no cartilage left in his knees. And Bane is a villain that he would've had a hard time facing in his prime. And in the end, what happened. Batman beat Bane in a fight. It was only when Talia stabbed him the the tide turned in Bane's favor. But everything isn't as simple as "oh, I wanna see Batman kick ass on the first try" because then, there's no point. Its all about the journey.

The only real complaints I had about the movie were the scenes where Tom Blake reveals how he knew Bruce was Batman (like seriously, where did that come from?) and when Talia died (not the best death scene I've seen). But still those were just two small flaws. The rest of this movie was awesome!!

#8 Posted by BatWatch (2726 posts) - - Show Bio

Post needs larger Spoiler warning!!!

I read the title, skipped the subtitle, and quickly found information I didn't want to know about the movie. If anybody can edit this and put the Spoiler warning in the title, it would be helpful to other idiots like me.

#9 Posted by Rumble Man (11119 posts) - - Show Bio

@Zeeguy91: Whoa easy there tiger,

  • He did not' beat bane, he just got his brain back (he can do the same with the elbow to the mask on their first match)
  • Spine gets broken and pushups on the next day? (love it when bane told him about the permission to die)
  • Megaton nuke, baleman decides its cool to bump it on every given chance. Lightposts, roads and exploding buildings are not safe
  • on their final confrontation batplane only stunned one tumbler, and the two other plus all bane's goons armed with ak's can shoot at the lame ass cops. the same tumblr that talia rode only killed three people on screen
  • Bane's undignified death at the hands of that biker whore
  • Catwoman's blond girlfriend disappeared into nothingness
  • blake knows too much, seems like a too perfect character (even in comparison with baleman)
  • michael caine needs more screen time as does morgan freeman (both good actors)
Pros
  • Bane sounded at zoidberg at times and that is kinda cute
  • he like snapping necks and he stomped tha cia guy
  • bane using mma moves like gnp and superman punch (in a dc franchise lol)
  • bane breaking batman's mask
  • batman's bullet dance thing is very rad
  • the talia reveal was pretty clever, me rikey
  • the whole town blown up by bane's genius hell yeahh
#10 Posted by Danial79 (2351 posts) - - Show Bio

@deadpool25mm: I loved the film, yet my complaints were the same as your's: Not at all a martial artist (did he ever even throw a kick?); he hardly used any gadgets (which is kind of his schtick); and practically no detective work. It was a well-made, exciting, and fun film, but it just wasn't a "Batman" film to me.

#11 Posted by Rumble Man (11119 posts) - - Show Bio

@Danial79: he did but it backfired spectacularly against bane, kicks are not the best weapon either

#12 Posted by kikiGLOW (34 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll have to find and read those when I get to a comic book store. Thanks.

#13 Posted by EisforExtinction (1909 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought both Knightfall and No Man's Land were awesome when they came out but I doubt No Man's Land holds up.

That was a LOOOONG arch.

#14 Posted by haydenclaireheroes (9071 posts) - - Show Bio

I am going to have to pick up some more Batman stuff to read

#15 Edited by sethysquare (3843 posts) - - Show Bio

Not sure how anyone can say Bane wasn't treated well, he basically was the most formidable enemy Batman has ever faced, physically.

@Rumble Man said:

@Zeeguy91: Whoa easy there tiger,

  • He did not' beat bane, he just got his brain back (he can do the same with the elbow to the mask on their first match)
  • Spine gets broken and pushups on the next day? (love it when bane told him about the permission to die)
  • Megaton nuke, baleman decides its cool to bump it on every given chance. Lightposts, roads and exploding buildings are not safe
  • on their final confrontation batplane only stunned one tumbler, and the two other plus all bane's goons armed with ak's can shoot at the lame ass cops. the same tumblr that talia rode only killed three people on screen
  • Bane's undignified death at the hands of that biker whore
  • Catwoman's blond girlfriend disappeared into nothingness
  • blake knows too much, seems like a too perfect character (even in comparison with baleman)
  • michael caine needs more screen time as does morgan freeman (both good actors)
Pros
  • Bane sounded at zoidberg at times and that is kinda cute
  • he like snapping necks and he stomped tha cia guy
  • bane using mma moves like gnp and superman punch (in a dc franchise lol)
  • bane breaking batman's mask
  • batman's bullet dance thing is very rad
  • the talia reveal was pretty clever, me rikey
  • the whole town blown up by bane's genius hell yeahh

nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking. esp stuff like that

Spine gets broken and pushups on the next day? (love it when bane told him about the permission to die)

Like seriously? Taking the fun outta comics and movies?

Also, not sure where you got the idea its the next day. He was locked up in the cell for 5 months.

When he first got there he was in agony, he took weeks to get his back healed then another few weeks to start getting back on track.

On the last day he got out, when he got to gotham 5 months has passed and the bomb is going to explode the next day.

Next you're gonna complain about superman flying?

#16 Posted by sethysquare (3843 posts) - - Show Bio

and yes, definitely need to pick these trade up.

#17 Posted by warpedzappa (9 posts) - - Show Bio

Screw the Dark Knight Rises. I decided to read The Long Halloween again.

#18 Posted by Rumble Man (11119 posts) - - Show Bio

@sethysquare: Fun when said characters are super,

fun when healing is in context fun when character suffers. So just because an inmate jabbed his spine hoisted on a rope he gets better?

oh yeah, did they forgot about the lack of cartilage and his arthritis too?

superman flying is in power set description

#19 Posted by sethysquare (3843 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rumble Man said:

@sethysquare: Fun when said characters are super,

fun when healing is in context fun when character suffers. So just because an inmate jabbed his spine hoisted on a rope he gets better?

oh yeah, did they forgot about the lack of cartilage and his arthritis too?

superman flying is in power set description

get over it. it took the span of over 5 months. you mean you can't recover in 5 months? If you can't recover in 5 months, chances are you are already paralayzed. What next? Complaining Captain America being frozen in ice is unrealistic? please.

#20 Posted by Rumble Man (11119 posts) - - Show Bio

@sethysquare:

batman deserves a downer ending, he does not move the plot

justified by superhuman serum and vita rays for the backdrop explanation plus a lot of emphasis on 'super' soldier

yes please

#21 Posted by sethysquare (3843 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rumble Man: your reasoning does not make sense to me. But if it keeps you happy, good for you.

#22 Posted by Rumble Man (11119 posts) - - Show Bio

@sethysquare:

course it makes me happy, sometimes in movie justifications help rather than coolness for the sake of the plot (bane/talia acts and batman reacts)

#23 Posted by Mrakbarman (65 posts) - - Show Bio

SPOILER: Can anyone tell me when did the reveal Gordon Levitt as robin in the movie ( saw the ending but everyone is talking about it )?

#24 Posted by Watcherg6 (263 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rumble Man: I think there was a

I think there was a passage of time before he started doing push ups. I have had friends who work out allmost right away after getting hurt bad, that was not supizeing.

#25 Posted by deadpool25mm (598 posts) - - Show Bio

@Zeeguy91: Man, yes i am a Marvel fan , but im also a Batman fan as well, this wasnt a Batman film.... and the Avengers was 10 time better then this... realy since when does Batman kill?!?! explain that to me? ( when he was shooting at the truck driver killing him and then talia took the wheel)

#26 Posted by deadpool25mm (598 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mrakbarman: when he go's and gets his bag she says "your real name is nicer... Robin. " plus also in the begining he tells Bruce about how his parents died , it sounded like Robin, i had a feeling the whole moive he was.

#27 Posted by Duncan (11445 posts) - - Show Bio

It's a shame this movie was so disappointing.

#28 Posted by Sleepbutnodream15 (570 posts) - - Show Bio

@deadpool25mm: Did he definitely kill him? You seem pretty hung up on that.

#29 Posted by RedheadedAtrocitus (6885 posts) - - Show Bio
#30 Posted by BatClaw89 (144 posts) - - Show Bio

I would also recommend:

BANE OF THE DEMON!!

#31 Posted by Nuec_Sol (189 posts) - - Show Bio

It was an awesome movie, I get some of the intelligent criticism but think all these nitpickers are just trying to get attention. How doesn't his league of shadows training, time as Batman, and jumping off buildings explain his bad knees, and that hi-tech knee brace, on how he got moving again. What happened to Selena's friend? Who cares. Batman back was not broken, but as the doctor said a disk was out of place. Bane's death was cool, realistic and totally deserved, and not some drawn out movie cliche (He gets a rocket blasted through his body, just brutal).

#32 Posted by BalooMamalu (36 posts) - - Show Bio

SPOILERS

What I like best in the film were all the little details from other comics. They did do some of the NO MANS LAND sectoring by having Catwoman make mention of her area. I liked the Kingdom Come reference when Batman is using electronic braces (maybe a stretch, but I count it). Obviously Batman Beyond with the flying batmobile (and arguably elements of the "Robin" character). Batman the Animated Series having Dagget in there (if he was in the comics before hand, I haven't seen it). To do all that and still have original elements, like a Gotham where Batman actually made a difference, and for once, giving Batman a happy ending, was fun.

#33 Posted by viin (582 posts) - - Show Bio

I would suggest Batman: Legacy and possibly Bane of the Demon also.

#34 Posted by wildcardcomics (44 posts) - - Show Bio

Such a great movie, actually stands strong after multiple viewings.

I also would recommend Batman Legacy where Bane is shown as Ra's Al Ghul's next successor. There are nods to Batman Year One through Selina Kyle's origin, though I'm glad they didn't make her a prostitute. There is also a Batman Statue, seen in the Crisis on Infinite Earths. The flying vehicle The Bat is definitively an inspired version of the helicopter from The Dark Knight Returns.

P.S. I never understand why people who love Marvel complain on DC posts and vice versa; people chill out.

#35 Posted by Rumble Man (11119 posts) - - Show Bio

@Watcherg6: At least it wasn't a rocky or karate kid training montage with

#36 Posted by csl316 (169 posts) - - Show Bio

Glad I went into the movie completely cold. Turned out to surprise me, although some well known threads were in there.

I can honestly say I didn't expect them to go from the Joker screwing with the establishment to a full on disaster movie. I saw all three movies within a week and I realized how different they all were. Gonna be an interesting trilogy to marathon on a Saturday eventually.

#37 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29501 posts) - - Show Bio

An entire article for just two books?

Why not Bane of the Demon?

Or Catwoman stories?

#38 Posted by TheBatmanofArkham (1 posts) - - Show Bio

I love how I am growing to hate my own community of comic book fans more and more, being that all they seem to do now is complain.

Movie was fantastic, just as the previous two were.

#39 Posted by Eyz (3095 posts) - - Show Bio

I loved the "Bat-family" aspect of the No Man's Land event! Which make me notice..that's what I miss the most in most Bat-adaptations,, the whole Bat-clan angle... -sigh-

#40 Posted by KDP2 (30 posts) - - Show Bio

*HUGE SPOILERS*

Where's The Dark Knight Returns? The movie takes huge inspiration from that. Bruce Wayne is out of activity for nearly a decade, he has a major death wish, and he fakes his own death at the end. Also, you could also put Bane of the Demon in that list. Bane is part of the League of Assassins and he is madly in love with Talia.

#41 Posted by htb106 (1641 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd say parts of the film are inspired by Dark Knight Returns, Bruce came back after eight years.

#42 Posted by GR2Blackout (2564 posts) - - Show Bio

@deadpool25mm said:

I was shocked at how bad the movie came out... does Christopher Nolan even know who Batman is? Batman moved in the movie like he's 200 tons, use's only an EMP gadget , the whole movie they are building up Bane as the villian and in the end they just push him aside like he isnt important... and the worse and last thing is SINCE WHEN DOES BATMAN KILL?! -> Shooting missles at the truck killing the driver...

I guess its true that the joker was the only reason The Dark Knight was good.

Seriously? I'll just ignore this.

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